From sneakums at zork.net Thu Nov 1 00:42:59 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011031201734.G461@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:17:34 -0800") References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> <20011031215833.D2047@magic.umn.edu> <20011031201734.G461@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uk7xayj8s.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Brian D . Hicks quotation: >> All out of candy, the only thing I've got left are these envelopes >> filled with white powder. > > COMEDY! In the future, all computers will be powered by ginormous comedy turbines. Till then, we must struggle on with zap. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. From sneakums at zork.net Thu Nov 1 04:15:47 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Righteous flames. Message-ID: <6ud732wuto.fsf@zork.zork.net> In this week's LWN, they claim that Unisys has never tried to enforce its LZW patent. I was under the impression that they had, resulting in publishers of GIF-creating-tools shelling out the $5K. Or did these publishers pay without prompting? It's certainly possible; the GIF-creation market is rolling in cash, and five measly grand is not even a drop in the bucket. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 1 07:23:30 2001 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011031190944.D461@zork.net> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011031190944.D461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011101132330.C13568@ajato.com.br> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 07:09:44PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > Anyone using the Reply-By: [last week] trick, or have screenshots of > > what it does? > > I'm using 4 Apr 2001 as my reply-by. I had mail from an irate > user saying that he was mad that my mail was being turned red and > moved to the top of his inbox. I'm not sure if it only does that for > recently expired dates or what. I have this on my ~/.muttrc, OTOH: my_hdr Reply-By: `date --date="666 hours ago" +"%a, %d %b %Y %T %z"` The 666 was completely random, of course. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ Who controls the past, controls the future. (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Who controls the present, controls the past. http://laviola.org icq #981913 -- George Orwell, "1984" From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 1 07:20:54 2001 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] A thought for you In-Reply-To: <20011031215320.B18461@cx937045-b.lncln1.ri.home.com> References: <20011030193606.A17729@vorlon.alternex.com.br> <20011031215320.B18461@cx937045-b.lncln1.ri.home.com> Message-ID: <20011101132054.B13568@ajato.com.br> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 09:53:20PM -0500, bob@ruptured-duck.com wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 07:36:06PM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > > > table, or in the kids little swimming pool (you know, the plastic one)? > > > > Intriguing, isn't it? > > Again, no, but KIDDIE PORN ALERT! > > -- > Bob Bernstein How is your brother Dan? -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ Who controls the past, controls the future. (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Who controls the present, controls the past. http://laviola.org icq #981913 -- George Orwell, "1984" From sneakums at zork.net Thu Nov 1 08:44:36 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Acts of Gord. Message-ID: <6un126a1aj.fsf@zork.zork.net> http://www.actsofgord.com/ I don't like ganes, and I enjoyed reading this. It's clear that morons are all alike, and the tools needed to deal with them are found in people of all walks of life. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. From magnus at bodin.org Thu Nov 1 08:53:46 2001 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:00:49PM -0800, Don Marti wrote: > Here's a example for procmail or mailman or whatever you use to > keep from being disturbed by proprietary MUA users: > > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) > > Anyone using the Reply-By: [last week] trick, or have screenshots of > what it does? Since my date is crippled I use this line in .muttrc send-hook . 'my_hdr Reply-By: `perl -e "print scalar(gmtime(time+259200))"` Which will make my mails red after 72 hours. /magnus From sneakums at zork.net Thu Nov 1 08:57:55 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> (Magnus Bodin's message of "Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:53:46 +0100") References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> Message-ID: <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Magnus Bodin quotation: > Since my date is crippled I use this line in .muttrc > > send-hook . 'my_hdr Reply-By: `perl -e "print scalar(gmtime(time+259200))"` > > Which will make my mails red after 72 hours. Where's the fun in that? -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. From jdub at perkypants.org Thu Nov 1 09:07:29 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> > Where's the fun in that? SUSPENSE, dimwit. Get with the programme. - Jeff -- It's depressing to see such useful code wasted on such a useless license. From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 1 09:41:21 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011031180834.O68700@samurai.com> References: <20011031174919.L68700@samurai.com> <20011031180834.O68700@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011101114121.Y1589@tastytronic.net> Quoting Bryan Fullerton: > > No, its actually a bag of cheetos. > > ITYM "pork rinds". ITYM "chutney flavoured crisps" unclepedro From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 1 09:44:06 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:01 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011031201734.G461@zork.net> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> <20011031215833.D2047@magic.umn.edu> <20011031201734.G461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011101114406.Z1589@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > begin Brian D . Hicks quotation: > > All out of candy, the only thing I've got left are these envelopes > > filled with white powder. > > COMEDY! Yes, this must be one of those new jokes. pedro From claviola at alternex.com.br Thu Nov 1 09:48:06 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: ; from jmorris@intercode.com.au on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 02:11:50PM +1100 References: <20011031182709.A24613@prometheus.embody.org> Message-ID: <20011101154806.F19548@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 02:11:50PM +1100, James Morris wrote: > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, mike dillon wrote: > > > begin Ian Mac Lure quotation: > > > WIlliam h. Gates = 666 > > > > GET THE FUQ OFF MY LIST > > ^ ^ ^ > > 6 6 6 > > > > You won't believe this. Yeah, you guessed it. I don't. -- Carlos Laviola From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Nov 1 10:36:45 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Righteous flames. In-Reply-To: <6ud732wuto.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6ud732wuto.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011101103645.B20420@zgp.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation of Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 12:15:47PM +0000: > In this week's LWN, they claim that Unisys has never tried to enforce > its LZW patent. That is not true. Unisys collects royalties from software developers: http://cloanto.com/users/mcb/19950127giflzw.html _including_ web sites that generate GIFs dynamically. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-1713278.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.1005-200-1713278?st.ne.fd.gif.f I do not know of any examples of Unisys going after sites for static GIFs, but a Unisys rep says that even distributing static GIFs created without an LZW license may be contributory infringement. http://community.borland.com/devnews/article/1,1714,20002,00.html Thankfully we have replacements for GIF, so more aggressive enforcement will just cause more GIF-burning. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 1 13:25:39 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011031190944.D461@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > I'm using 4 Apr 2001 as my reply-by. I had mail from an irate > user saying that he was mad that my mail was being turned red and > moved to the top of his inbox. I'm not sure if it only does that for > recently expired dates or what. Outlook combines X-Message-Flag and Reply-By in one line, so this would say This message has been censored by the FBI. Reason: Possible Terrorist Communication By Sunday April 01, 2001, 4:20 PM -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 1 16:59:36 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011101132330.C13568@ajato.com.br> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011031190944.D461@zork.net> <20011101132330.C13568@ajato.com.br> Message-ID: <20011101165936.D24524@zork.net> begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > I have this on my ~/.muttrc, OTOH: > > my_hdr Reply-By: `date --date="666 hours ago" +"%a, %d %b %Y %T %z"` I tried that, but it turned my dick orange. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Nov 1 17:55:47 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Righteous flames. In-Reply-To: <20011101103645.B20420@zgp.org> References: <6ud732wuto.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011101103645.B20420@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011101175547.C4490@linuxmafia.com> begin Don Marti Uses GIFs on the Sly quotation: > Thankfully we have replacements for GIF, so more aggressive > enforcement will just cause more GIF-burning. And the patent will be expiring in a mere 404 days. -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick@linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Nov 1 18:04:58 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Righteous flames. In-Reply-To: <20011101175547.C4490@linuxmafia.com> References: <6ud732wuto.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011101103645.B20420@zgp.org> <20011101175547.C4490@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011101180458.A31497@zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 05:55:47PM -0800: > And the patent will be expiring in a mere 404 days. Burn'em after it expires too. Just out of habit. And because none of us will have .gif in our /etc/mime.types anyway. I know we should be burning MP3s too but... "Anarchy Burger! Hold the Government!" http://vandals.tv/mp3/VandalsAnarchyBurger.mp3 Sat 01-Dec-2001 Las Vegas, NV Huntridge Theatre 1208 E. Charleston Blvd The Vandals Audio Karate Tsunami Bomb -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From jaq at spacepants.org Thu Nov 1 18:36:57 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011102133657.A6553@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, M. Drew Streib wrote: >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:45:04 +0000 >Consider this your virtual knock on the door and trick-or-treat. > >Gimme candy, else face my virtual trick wrath! You came late to the party, we're all out of Skittles and M&Ms. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Shiny steel fan whirs Don't stick your finger in it It will get bloody -- Glamatron (slashdot) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 1 21:40:25 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Cat fighting sex kittens no pussies Message-ID: <20011101214025.E24524@zork.net> http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0109/010929pussies.html -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 2 00:45:09 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Fri, 2 Nov 2001 04:07:29 +1100") References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> Where's the fun in that? > > SUSPENSE, dimwit. Get with the programme. Fuck suspense. Suspense won't piss people off. Turning all their mail red, reliably, will. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 2 01:21:15 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> > > SUSPENSE, dimwit. Get with the programme. > > Fuck suspense. Suspense won't piss people off. Turning all their > mail red, reliably, will. Suspense, *and* red mail! What could be better? - Jeff -- chown -R us:us yourbase From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 2 01:54:14 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:21:15 +1100") References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6uady5a46x.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> > SUSPENSE, dimwit. Get with the programme. >> Fuck suspense. Suspense won't piss people off. Turning all their >> mail red, reliably, will. > > Suspense, *and* red mail! What could be better? The problem with setting Reply-By to a date in the future is that the mail may be deleted or replied-to before the date arrives. The overall level of GAR generated is thus lower. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 2 02:20:25 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <6uady5a46x.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> <6uady5a46x.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011102212025.E19638@perkypants.org> > > Suspense, *and* red mail! What could be better? > > The problem with setting Reply-By to a date in the future is that the mail > may be deleted or replied-to before the date arrives. The overall level > of GAR generated is thus lower. True, but it's unsuspecting GAR. If you get a mail that annoys you straight off the bat, you delete it, and the problem is over. If you get an interesting, useful email that doesn't look like a threat, and it sneaks up and pisses you off when you're in the middle of something, MAXIMAL GARRAGE! Which is the desired effect, isn't it? - Jeff -- Lego is the plural of Lego. From 1paul at optushome.com.au Fri Nov 2 03:04:14 2001 From: 1paul at optushome.com.au (Paul Cameron) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102212025.E19638@perkypants.org> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> <6uady5a46x.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102212025.E19638@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011102220414.C11463@optushome.com.au> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:20:25PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > Suspense, *and* red mail! What could be better? > > > > The problem with setting Reply-By to a date in the future is that the mail > > may be deleted or replied-to before the date arrives. The overall level > > of GAR generated is thus lower. > > True, but it's unsuspecting GAR. If you get a mail that annoys you straight > off the bat, you delete it, and the problem is over. If you get an > interesting, useful email that doesn't look like a threat, and it sneaks up > and pisses you off when you're in the middle of something, MAXIMAL GARRAGE! Maximal Garage ... are they some type of Christian Rock band ? > Which is the desired effect, isn't it? Christian rock is never desired. Paul. From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 2 03:19:08 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102220414.C11463@optushome.com.au> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> <6uady5a46x.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102212025.E19638@perkypants.org> <20011102220414.C11463@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20011102221908.J19638@perkypants.org> > > Which is the desired effect, isn't it? > > Christian rock is never desired. Quietly jacked off in the confessional? - Jeff -- "Funny, I have no trouble distinguishing my mobile phone from the others because it's in my _own fucking pocket_!" - Mobile Rage From 1paul at optushome.com.au Fri Nov 2 03:14:55 2001 From: 1paul at optushome.com.au (Paul Cameron) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102221908.J19638@perkypants.org> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> <6uady5a46x.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102212025.E19638@perkypants.org> <20011102220414.C11463@optushome.com.au> <20011102221908.J19638@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011102221455.D11463@optushome.com.au> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:19:08PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > Which is the desired effect, isn't it? > > > > Christian rock is never desired. > > Quietly jacked off in the confessional? What *are* you yammering on about? Go back to molesting your sacrosanct leather jacket. Paul. From jaq at spacepants.org Fri Nov 2 03:22:31 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011102222231.A787@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > >> > SUSPENSE, dimwit. Get with the programme. >> >> Fuck suspense. Suspense won't piss people off. Turning all their >> mail red, reliably, will. > >Suspense, *and* red mail! What could be better? You have 37 unred messages. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg gzip --pantsable -p --pantsable Pants-compatible mode. This option will ensure the output will fit into the pockets of modern pants. For older pants, look at the --pantaloons flag. -- #slug, OPN From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 2 03:29:35 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102221455.D11463@optushome.com.au> References: <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> <6uady5a46x.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102212025.E19638@perkypants.org> <20011102220414.C11463@optushome.com.au> <20011102221908.J19638@perkypants.org> <20011102221455.D11463@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20011102222935.K19638@perkypants.org> > > Quietly jacked off in the confessional? > > What *are* you yammering on about? > > Go back to molesting your sacrosanct leather jacket. ITYM "black". - Jeff -- I wonder how many bugs have gone unfixed due to misspellings of "FIXME". From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 2 03:31:15 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011102222231.A787@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011101175346.J17450@bodin.org> <6uitcua0oc.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102040729.A19638@perkypants.org> <6uelnha7e2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011102202115.D19638@perkypants.org> <20011102222231.A787@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011102223115.L19638@perkypants.org> > >Suspense, *and* red mail! What could be better? > > You have 37 unred messages. Faff off Audrey Parton, we're *busy*. - Jeff -- He'd never undressed a woman with his eyes. Perhaps army boots, school uniform, or a nightie, but never undressed. From schoen at loyalty.org Fri Nov 2 21:25:23 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [schoen@loyalty.org: [Seth-Trips] Bunner party, Saturday, November 10] Message-ID: <20011102212523.D2342@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Seth David Schoen ----- From: Seth David Schoen To: seth-trips@zork.net Subject: [Seth-Trips] Bunner party, Saturday, November 10 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:06:52 -0800 I'm having a party on November 10 to celebrate the California 6th Appellate District's ruling in _DVD Copy Control Association v. Andrew Bunner_, 01 C.D.O.S. 9406 (November 1, 2001). The party will be at my apartment (1022A Shotwell, between 24th and 25th) at 7:00p. I will try to get Andrew Bunner, civil liberties lawyers, and Linux geeks to turn out. "Descramble (This Function Is Void)" will not be played because EFF is still bound by an injunction in another action. Maybe some other year. The recent decision was an extremely exciting event in the original DVD/DeCSS lawsuit -- the court was extremely supportive of Bunner's free speech rights and the general proposition that trade secret protection isn't absolute. If you'd like directions or to RSVP, you can reach me at (415)282-4798. -- Seth David Schoen | To prevent unauthorized reading... Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Adobe eBook Reader feature down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | http://www.free-sklyarov.org/ | _______________________________________________ Seth-Trips mailing list Seth-Trips@zork.net http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/seth-trips ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From dsaklad at gnu.org Fri Nov 2 21:55:22 2001 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] By Bette W. Oliver. Chamfort. Message-ID: By Bette W. Oliver Safeguarding the Nation's Past: Chamfort's Brief Career at the Bibliothque Nationale ... who had a reputation as a malcontent. Ultimately, he would cause Chamfort and the library their most serious problems. Not only did the personnel undergo ... http://saklad.org From nick at zork.net Sat Nov 3 17:03:46 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] a rave that's too small for Brian Behlendorf Message-ID: <20011103170346.S24524@zork.net> http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_437981.html -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sat Nov 3 17:33:42 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] GPL board game w@r3z Message-ID: <20011103173342.Z24524@zork.net> http://www.ludism.org/piecepack/wormholes.html The piecepack attempts to be for board games what the 52-card deck is for card games. http://www.piecepack.org/ -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Nov 3 17:46:47 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] GPL board game w@r3z In-Reply-To: <20011103173342.Z24524@zork.net> References: <20011103173342.Z24524@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011103174647.A24524@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > The piecepack attempts to be for board games what the 52-card deck is > for card games. > > http://www.piecepack.org/ It's actually amazingly elegant. Here's the complete specs from http://www.piecepack.org/Anatomy.html : > Anatomy of a Piecepack > > Notes > The suit of Arms is represented by the Fleur De Lis. > Aces are represented by the appropriate suit symbol. > Nulls are represented by the absence of a numeral or symbol. > Standard Color Associations > Arms are blue. > Crowns are green or yellow. > Moons are black. > Suns are red. > > Components > 24 tiles (square): > one tile per suit/value pair > suits are Suns, Moons, Crowns, Arms > values are null, ace, 2, 3, 4, 5 > faces are marked with value at center and a small suit symbol > at top-left, both in color to match suit > backs are marked with small black crosses to suggest a division > into four square quarters > > 24 coins (round): > one tile per suit/value pair > suits are Suns, Moons, Crowns, Arms > values are null, ace, 2, 3, 4, 5 > faces are marked with value in black (aces are spiral symbols) > backs are marked with suit in appropriate color > both fronts and backs are marked with a small mark near the > edge to indicate direction > > 4 dice (cubic): > one die per suit > suits are Suns, Moons, Crowns, Arms > values on each die are null, ace, 2, 3, 4, 5 > die sides are marked with value in color to match suit > > 4 pawns (non-specific shape): > one pawn per color > > Notes for Manufacturers > The piecepack is public domain; anyone may manufacture and > distribute (for profit) piecepacks without pay of royalty or > license. > > Although piecepacks may certainly be stylized or personalized > (eg for promotional purposes), it is important that piecepacks > conform to the basics outlined in the Anatomy section above. > Coin diameter should not exceed 1/2 tile width, so that a coin > may fit on a tile quarter-section. > > As a point of reference, (not a requirement), the Mesomorph > piecepack pieces are the following dimensions: tiles are 2" x > 2" x 1/4", coins are 3/4" diameter x 1/8", dice are 1/2" x 1/2" > x 1/2", and pawns are 5/8" diameter x 1-1/8" tall. The interior > dimensions of the box are 4-3/4" x 2-1/2" x 2-1/2". > > The word piecepack is not capitalized, as it is a compound word > rather than a title. > > Though not required, you may include the name of the designer > of the piecepack, James Kyle, as part of piecepack packaging. > If you have any questions regarding the piecepack, please email > us at support@piecepack.org. That's about 60 lines. the whole thing could fit on a single page. Very neat. They even have PDFs so you can print the things on your own cardstock. Most of the games are GPLed, and the system itself is released to the public domain. It's a pity that the dice are non-standard, though. It would have been useful to simply declare special events on particular rolls in the games. I'm sure this has been flamed to death in the yahoo group, though. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Nov 3 18:02:17 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:02 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] GPL board game w@r3z In-Reply-To: <20011103174647.A24524@zork.net> References: <20011103173342.Z24524@zork.net> <20011103174647.A24524@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011103180217.B24524@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > > The piecepack is public domain; anyone may manufacture and > > distribute (for profit) piecepacks without pay of royalty or > > license. these guys are pretty much GPL hardcores: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piecepack/message/111 Board game patents! No tetrahedra allowed on pain of lawsuit! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Nov 4 00:04:14 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] GPL board game w@r3z In-Reply-To: <20011103180217.B24524@zork.net> References: <20011103173342.Z24524@zork.net> <20011103174647.A24524@zork.net> <20011103180217.B24524@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011104000414.C24524@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piecepack/message/111 > > Board game patents! No tetrahedra allowed on pain of lawsuit! Well it's a good thing that patent expired, cuz this corewars clone looks pretty damn fun: http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Kory/Games/RAMbots/ -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Nov 4 08:13:19 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] a rave that's too small for Brian Behlendorf In-Reply-To: <20011103170346.S24524@zork.net> References: <20011103170346.S24524@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011104081319.A14115@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 05:03:46PM -0800: > http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_437981.html So where do they keep the frozen dead mice from this study anyway? Just asking. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 4 14:28:50 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] church of reality and linux Message-ID: <20011104142850.N24524@zork.net> http://www.churchofreality.com/ haw haw -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Nov 4 14:30:44 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] church of reality and linux In-Reply-To: <20011104142850.N24524@zork.net> References: <20011104142850.N24524@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011104143044.O24524@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.churchofreality.com/ http://www.churchofreality.org/tithe.htm > The Linux Penguin symbolizes the Giving of Knowledge Don't tell RMS. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 4 16:19:14 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rms@gnu.org: Re: Jargon-Helpers: Reply-to] Message-ID: <20011104161914.T24524@zork.net> It's a year old, but I love hearing it from the mouth of RMS himself. ----- Forwarded message from Richard Stallman ----- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:57:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Stallman To: LucFrench@aol.com CC: jargon-helpers@ccil.org In-reply-to: (LucFrench@aol.com) Subject: Re: Jargon-Helpers: Reply-to Reply-to: rms@gnu.org I think it is always better for a list to leave the message headers alone. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Sun Nov 4 17:42:59 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] church of reality and linux In-Reply-To: <20011104142850.N24524@zork.net> References: <20011104142850.N24524@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011104174259.B2342@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > http://www.churchofreality.com/ That site is run by EFF's sysadmin, who sits next to me at work. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Nov 4 17:42:20 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Shelley Zhang, 18, University student Message-ID: Are others getting spammed by this illegal Chinese religious cult ``Falun {Gong,Dafa}''? Falun Gong has helped me bring order to my chaotic life. [photo of Be it concering grades, projects, college, relationships, cultist's etc., healthy introspection has replaced anxiety. Since daughter] beginning this practice, I've reflected a lot on how my hectic schedule in high school encoraged self-absorption. I'm much more sensitive to others now. Case in point: I frequently had ``discussions'' with my parents that would result in a locked bedroom door with sulking on one side and yelling on the other. The calm and ease from Falun Gong really helped me cut this rebellious stage short. Religious nuts are like fuckin' porn stars, dude! [photo of I dunno what this _Zuhan Falun_ book she's talking about Jim is, but about two weeks ago my s.o. got this cardboard Anchower] box full of video tapes in the mail. It's mostly this Chinese graybeard dude waving wildly with his arms and talking in that whacked-out language like in those Tsing Dao beer ads you get on the front of pirated VCD's. Ever since she watched those tapes, man, Shelly's turned into a real whore! It's incredible---before she watched the tapes, she used to get all antsy-like if I even put my arm around her, and now the little girl just can't get enough. What? Yeah, I guess she seems a little more relaxed now. But her energy level is way up, too! -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Sun Nov 4 17:49:06 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Shelley Zhang, 18, University student In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011105124906.A29051@anu.edu.au> On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 06:42:20PM -0700, Miles Nordin wrote: > Are others getting spammed by this illegal Chinese religious cult > ``Falun {Gong,Dafa}''? In what manner are you using the word "illegal"? I suppose it's illegal to torture, persecute and execute people for freely choosing to believe in this religion, too. But you never know, China is very important to the US wrt trade, and Shrub would like to tp&e people at home, so all's fair in getting rich. Here, in Australia, the followers of the Falun Gong aren't seen as baddies. They're just seen as people who are getting fucked over by their national government. I'm surprised you can't relate or empathise. Regards, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From jmorris at intercode.com.au Sun Nov 4 18:06:36 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Acoustic Kitty Message-ID: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0111/05/world/world16.html CIA's cat scan scam ended in catastrophe By Charlotte Edwardes in London The CIA tried to uncover the Kremlin's deepest secrets during the 1960s by turning cats into walking bugging devices, recently declassified documents show. In one experiment during the Cold War a cat, dubbed Acoustic Kitty, was wired up for use as an eavesdropping platform. It was hoped that the animal, surgically altered to accommodate transmitting and control devices, could listen to secret conversations from window sills, park benches or dustbins. Victor Marchetti, a former CIA officer said Project Acoustic Kitty was a gruesome creation. "They slit the cat open, put batteries in him, wired him up. The tail was used as an antenna. They made a monstrosity. They tested him and tested him. They found he would walk off the job when he got hungry, so they put another wire in to override that." Mr Marchetti said that the first live trial was an expensive disaster. The technology is thought to have cost tens of millions of dollars. "They took it out to a park and put him out of the van, and a taxi comes and runs him over. There they were, sitting in the van with all those dials, and the cat was dead." The document that mentions the project, which was one of 40 to be declassified from the CIA's closely guarded Science and Technology Directorate, where spying techniques are refined, is still partly censored. This implies that the CIA was embarrassed about disclosing all the details of Acoustic Kitty, which took five years to design. Dr Richelson, a senior fellow at the National Security Archive in Washington, said of the document: "I'm not sure for how long after the operation the cat would have survived even if it hadn't been run over." The memo ends by congratulating the team who worked on the Acoustic Kitty project for its hard work. It says: "The work done on this problem over the years reflects great credit on the personnel who guided it ... whose energy and imagination could be models for scientific pioneers.'' By coincidence, in 1966, a British film called Spy With a Cold Nose featured a dog wired up to eavesdrop on the Russians. It was the same year as the Acoustic Kitty was tested. The Telegraph, London From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Nov 4 18:06:38 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Shelley Zhang, 18, University student In-Reply-To: <20011105124906.A29051@anu.edu.au> (Edward C. Lang's message of "Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:49:06 +1100") References: <20011105124906.A29051@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: >>>>> "ECL" == Edward C Lang writes: carton> Are others getting spammed by this illegal Chinese carton> religious cult ``Falun {Gong,Dafa}''? ECL> Here, in Australia, the followers of the Falun Gong are[...] ECL> seen as people who are getting fucked over by their national ECL> government. ECL> I'm surprised you can't relate or empathise. Excuse me, Mr. Weepypants. I was just making a polite and useful observation about the sexual habits of religious cultists. I'm sure many readers will benefit from my generosity in sharing this---if it's not helpful to you, you're free to go on to the next message. And exactly where do _you_, sir, get off lecturing me about letting comrades choose their own FREAKBALL dangerous exploitive scientological religions after PERSONALLY AFFRONTING me by adding my name to the ``Mail-Followup-To'' header? What gives you the right to list my name in that header? Did you derive it from a header in my own message? No, you didn't. You didn't even ask permission. You just SHOVED it in there. I've never seen such a careless display of disrespectful intolerance. Maybe you should go practice the ``five exercises'' with all your death-cult friends and join Prophet Li in his attempts to communicate with inter-dimensional flying saucers. Maybe you'd be APPRECIATED there. Because around here, when Falun Dong suicide cultists like you start DOG-HUMPING my Mail-Followup-To header, I don't start preaching your teary-eyed alien-mindfuck about compassion and empathy. Time to ``forbear'', you lunatic cultist pig. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Nov 4 21:09:39 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tab damage Message-ID: Thanks to new technologies developed in the Supercite(k) product, tab dammage is a thing of the past. At last our children can live in a safer, happier world, a world where the malevolent spectre of tab damage is but a distant memory. The TabGuard feature is already built into the latest version of every SPURCTE2.EXE binary. Subscribers to Supercite(k)'s maintenance program will already have the latest version, and need merely ``switch on'' the advanced TabGuard technology (for compatibility reasons, it is off by default). Just include the following text in your AUTOEMAC.BAT file in the root directory of your Boot Disk: (add-hook 'sc-attribs-postselect-hook '(lambda () (defun sc-make-citation (attribution) (concat (make-string (mod (- 8 (mod (+ (length attribution) (length sc-citation-delimiter) (length sc-citation-separator)) 8)) 8) ?\ ) attribution sc-citation-delimiter sc-citation-separator)) (setq citation (sc-make-citation attribution)))) -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 4 22:01:42 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Why jordanb sucks Message-ID: <20011104220142.B24229@zork.net> <@jordanb> is the plual of synergy synergies or synergys? -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Sun Nov 4 22:33:08 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Why jordanb sucks In-Reply-To: <20011104220142.B24229@zork.net> References: <20011104220142.B24229@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105173308.B938@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Nick Moffitt wrote: ><@jordanb> is the plual of synergy synergies or synergys? Yeah, every phb knows you pluralise 'synergy' by prepending 'proactive'. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Marge, this ticket doesn't just give me a seat. It also gives me the right -- no, the duty -- to make a complete ass of myself. -- Homer Simpson, Dancin' Homer From zen at zork.net Sun Nov 4 23:14:22 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Why jordanb sucks In-Reply-To: <20011105173308.B938@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011104220142.B24229@zork.net> <20011105173308.B938@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011104231422.A30195@zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > Yeah, every phb knows you pluralise 'synergy' by prepending 'proactive'. I think you mean "plouralise". -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Nov 5 07:07:42 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Shelley Zhang, 18, University student In-Reply-To: References: <20011105124906.A29051@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <878zdlp875.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> Excuse me, Mr. Weepypants. I was just making a polite and MN> useful observation about the sexual habits of religious MN> cultists. I'm sure many readers will benefit from my MN> generosity in sharing this---if it's not helpful to you, MN> you're free to go on to the next message. I call upon the Kung Fu Masters of the East to join forces with the Kung Fu Masters of the West and DESTROY MILES NORDIN!!!! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ASCII picture of flag deleted because mailman is a communist program that hates the U S of A. Go back to Afghanistan, MAILMAN! And take majordomo with you!] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 5 08:51:13 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Shelley Zhang, 18, University student In-Reply-To: <878zdlp875.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011105124906.A29051@anu.edu.au> <878zdlp875.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011105085113.G24229@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > [ASCII picture of flag deleted because mailman is a communist > program that hates the U S of A. Go back to Afghanistan, MAILMAN! > And take majordomo with you!] Dude, mailman doesn't hate your flag. Put it back you goddamn pinko! Just fix your mailer to not send out Sender: headers that don't have FQDNs in them. Mailman's acls require a full address for you to pass the subscriber list test. That, or GET TEH FUCK OFF MY LIST! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Nov 5 11:26:58 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] Message-ID: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> ----- Forwarded message from sten@narnia.net ----- Whatever your political affiliation, you gotta admit, this is damn scary: http://chicago.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=5847&group=webcast GREEN PARTY USA COORDINATOR DETAINED AT AIRPORT PREVENTED BY ARMED MILITARY FROM FLYING TO GREENS MEETING IN CHICAGO Armed government agents grabbed Nancy Oden, Green Party USA coordinating committee member, Thursday at Bangor International Airport in Bangor Maine, as she attempted to board an American Airlines flight to Chicago. "An official told me that my name had been flagged in the computer," a shaken Oden said. "I was targeted because the Green Party USA opposes the bombing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan." ----- End forwarded message ----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Nov 5 11:32:04 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> Peter A. Peterson II writes: > "An official told me that my name had been flagged in the computer," a > shaken Oden said. "I was targeted because the Green Party USA opposes > the bombing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan." Somebody on politech argued that it was because Oden was suspected of having contacts or acquaintances with "ecoterrorist" groups. Meanwhile, it's still looking like airports have become more dangerous than airplanes. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 5 11:39:21 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105113921.M24229@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > Meanwhile, it's still looking like airports have become more > dangerous than airplanes. For one thing, airports currently are seeing a massive increase in the amount of live ammunition present. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Nov 5 11:46:00 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net>; from schoen@loyalty.org on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:32:04AM -0800 References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105144600.O5045@samurai.com> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:32:04AM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > Somebody on politech argued that it was because Oden was suspected of > having contacts or acquaintances with "ecoterrorist" groups. Someone else on politech said it was because she wouldn't stand still and let airport security and/or National Guardsmen search her. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 5 11:48:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105144600.O5045@samurai.com> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> <20011105144600.O5045@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011105114815.N24229@zork.net> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:32:04AM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > Somebody on politech argued that it was because Oden was suspected > > of having contacts or acquaintances with "ecoterrorist" groups. > > Someone else on politech said it was because she wouldn't stand still > and let airport security and/or National Guardsmen search her. Yet someone else on politech said it was because she had an orange dick. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From leklund at tastytronic.net Mon Nov 5 11:58:25 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105145825.K721@tastytronic.net> Quoting Seth David Schoen: > Somebody on politech argued that it was because Oden was suspected of > having contacts or acquaintances with "ecoterrorist" groups. paraphrased from November's Harper's Index: Hours after the 9/11 attacks that Rep Young (R-AK) speculated ecoterrorists may have been responsible - 9. That's not verbatim, but it's close enough. -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- SUSPICIOUS TOASTER OVENS IN A VIRTUAL PLANET! +++ From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Nov 5 13:11:32 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] electronic bidet, only $750. Message-ID: <20011105151132.C3513@tastytronic.net> http://www.sandman.com/intimst.html I hope that when this guy comes to fix your phones, he's wearing more than just a utility belt. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Mon Nov 5 13:53:13 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105114815.N24229@zork.net> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> <20011105144600.O5045@samurai.com> <20011105114815.N24229@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105215313.F21211@ummagumma> * Monkey Master (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org) wrote: > begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:32:04AM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > Somebody on politech argued that it was because Oden was suspected > > > of having contacts or acquaintances with "ecoterrorist" groups. > > > > Someone else on politech said it was because she wouldn't stand still > > and let airport security and/or National Guardsmen search her. > > Yet someone else on politech said it was because she had an > orange dick. Yeah but she stowed that. Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 5 14:52:33 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105215313.F21211@ummagumma> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> <20011105144600.O5045@samurai.com> <20011105114815.N24229@zork.net> <20011105215313.F21211@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011105145232.O24229@zork.net> begin Tom Giblet quotation: > Yeah but she stowed that. Peachtree Avenue Street: http://www.leisuretown.com/stories/comics/cmx_1/index.html -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 5 15:25:28 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Could you tell me what song you were playing under that story from a few weeks ago, the one where Ira interviews that guy, the song that goes kinda dum-dum-la-la-dee-dee? I've got to have a copy! Message-ID: <20011105152528.A13400@zork.net> http://www.thislife.org/pages/scoring.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 5 15:29:07 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] remember, remember Message-ID: <20011105152907.B13400@zork.net> Penny for the guy? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 5 15:35:26 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? Message-ID: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> Tell me how this can happen: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/wjla/20011102/lo/gmu_student_charged_in_flag_burning_1.html Given that this happened: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=491&invol=397 How can a flag be desecrated if it was never sanctified? It's just a goddamn war banner, not a holy relic for chrissakes. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 5 16:12:01 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Prison Food Message-ID: <20011105161201.D13400@zork.net> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=95ab3d9f.0111042357.2ed5f23b%40posting.google.com -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 5 16:59:13 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011105165913.E13400@zork.net> Goddamn goths ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- vulpine@cyberfox.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Nov 5 17:00:10 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? In-Reply-To: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> References: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > Tell me how this can happen: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/wjla/20011102/lo/gmu_student_charged_in_flag_burning_1.html > > Given that this happened: > > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=491&invol=397 I think it has to do with angry law enforcement officers and angry prosecutors. The prosecution may be thrown out easily enough, but in the meantime the person is still arrested, and quite possibly nothing will happen to the officers as a result. I was a huge fan of MaryKait Durkee (you can find lots of materials about her by search for "marykait" on Google; she's apparently virtually the only person with that name), who refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance in 1998. Her high school gave her detention and all _even though the Supreme Court said they couldn't do that in 1943_. I think the ACLU's gotten involved in an average of about one such case per year since _Barnette_. Winning in the Supreme Court doesn't make local school boards respect your rights automatically; you still have to keep suing them every year. The only real advantage to such a Supreme Court precedent is that it means you will actually win your case (often on summary judgment). The ACLU flyers are kind of corny; maybe somebody here who's good with design could do something better. http://www.aclu.org/students/sybil.html They do hit a lot of the key points, though. They just leave out the "In order to enforce these rights, you might have to take your school board to court; other students might ostracize you or attempt to beat you up; local families might might threatening or harrassing phone calls, or boycott your parents' busines; you'll need a paid or volunteer lawyer; and even a clear-cut case might take months to resolve" part. -- Seth David Schoen | To prevent unauthorized reading... Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Adobe eBook Reader feature down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 5 17:06:10 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? In-Reply-To: <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> References: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105170610.F13400@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > I think it has to do with angry law enforcement officers and angry > prosecutors. The prosecution may be thrown out easily enough, but in > the meantime the person is still arrested, and quite possibly nothing > will happen to the officers as a result. I still want to know when that flag was supposedly consecrated. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 5 17:13:21 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105113921.M24229@zork.net> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> <20011105113921.M24229@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105171321.D24537@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:39:21AM -0800: > For one thing, airports currently are seeing a massive > increase in the amount of live ammunition present. What astonishes me is that they take away nail clippers but let people take on that silly rolling luggage without checking to see that they haven't sharpened the ends of the steel tubing to make deadly spears. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Nov 5 17:16:59 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? In-Reply-To: <20011105170610.F13400@zork.net> References: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> <20011105170610.F13400@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105171659.F6256@zork.net> Monkey Master writes: > begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > > I think it has to do with angry law enforcement officers and angry > > prosecutors. The prosecution may be thrown out easily enough, but in > > the meantime the person is still arrested, and quite possibly nothing > > will happen to the officers as a result. > > I still want to know when that flag was supposedly consecrated. Maybe the same time as the battlefield at Gettysburg: "But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract." If "brave men" can consecrate a patch of ground, maybe they can also consecrate a flag. This seems to be the theory behind a good deal of flag-is-sacred thought. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 5 17:17:55 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? In-Reply-To: <20011105171659.F6256@zork.net> References: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> <20011105170610.F13400@zork.net> <20011105171659.F6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105171755.G13400@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > If "brave men" can consecrate a patch of ground, maybe they can also > consecrate a flag. This seems to be the theory behind a good deal of > flag-is-sacred thought. s/thought/blasphemy/ -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Nov 5 17:20:36 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? In-Reply-To: <20011105171755.G13400@zork.net> References: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> <20011105170610.F13400@zork.net> <20011105171659.F6256@zork.net> <20011105171755.G13400@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105172036.G6256@zork.net> Monkey Master writes: > begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > > If "brave men" can consecrate a patch of ground, maybe they can also > > consecrate a flag. This seems to be the theory behind a good deal of > > flag-is-sacred thought. > > s/thought/blasphemy/ Hey, you know, man, blasphemy is protected by the first amendment too. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 5 17:23:25 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:03 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? In-Reply-To: <20011105172036.G6256@zork.net> References: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> <20011105170610.F13400@zork.net> <20011105171659.F6256@zork.net> <20011105171755.G13400@zork.net> <20011105172036.G6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105172325.H13400@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > Hey, you know, man, blasphemy is protected by the first amendment too. Great! Let's fill the laws full of 'em! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From spork at zork.net Mon Nov 5 17:31:37 2001 From: spork at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Place That Image!! Message-ID: <20011105173137.F16121@zork.net> Ok, can you figure out what this image is from? options include: A biohazard containment operation A beastie boys video or is it some other thing?! http://www.crackmonkey.org/~spork/ptp.jpg -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Mon Nov 5 17:33:44 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105171321.D24537@zgp.org> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> <20011105113921.M24229@zork.net> <20011105171321.D24537@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011106013344.G21211@ummagumma> * Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org) wrote: > begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:39:21AM -0800: > > > For one thing, airports currently are seeing a massive > > increase in the amount of live ammunition present. > > What astonishes me is that they take away nail clippers but let > people take on that silly rolling luggage without checking to see > that they haven't sharpened the ends of the steel tubing to make > deadly spears. Ooh yeah. Those are much worse than the normal kind of spear. Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Nov 5 17:49:29 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011106013344.G21211@ummagumma> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> <20011105113921.M24229@zork.net> <20011105171321.D24537@zgp.org> <20011106013344.G21211@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011105174929.J6256@zork.net> Tom Gilbert writes: > Ooh yeah. Those are much worse than the normal kind of spear. Yeah, they're camo-spears. Any concealable weapon could be more dangerous than the non-concealable equivalent. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From zen at zork.net Mon Nov 5 18:13:19 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Place That Image!! In-Reply-To: <20011105173137.F16121@zork.net> References: <20011105173137.F16121@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011105181319.A25549@zork.net> begin Emad El-Haraty quotation: > Ok, can you figure out what this image is from? > > http://www.crackmonkey.org/~spork/ptp.jpg It's probably from a transitional care facility or resting home, where one of the patients is a contagen risk. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 5 22:02:45 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 5 November 2001] Message-ID: <20011105220245.L13400@zork.net> TK? ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily TK "My e-book, 'God's Debris,' is the No. 1 best-selling e-book in the world this year. That's the good news. The bad news is that it sold only 4,500 copies." Dilbert creator Scott Adams, on e-publishing and the discovery that "debris" does not, but ought to, rhyme with "hubris," The New York Times, 5 November 2001 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/05/technology/ebusiness/05ADAM.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 00:22:52 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian Message-ID: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> Wow, so I just finished watching Tron on my T22, thanks to xine-dvd-css: deb http://samfundet.no/debian woody css Just put that in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and then apt-get install xine-dvd-css (provided you're running woody, or testing). If your drive doesn't have a region coded in yet, you may get errors trying to read the key. In that case, just grab http://linuxtv.org/download/dvd/dvd_disc_20000215_css.tar.gz and compile as follows: # gcc -c dvd_udf.c # gcc -c regionset.c # gcc -o regionset dvd_udf.o regionset.o Then run that regionset program. Be careful, since your drive only allows a finite number of region setting changes. You'll see NONE on like line two or three of its output if you don't have a region already. If you try to set the region, it'll ask you for a region number. Here's the legend: 1. USA & Canada 2. Europe & Japan 3. South East Asia 4. Latin America & Australia 5. Russia & Africa 6. (People&s Republic of) China 7. Reserved 8. Special international venues (airplanes, cruise ships, etc.) You can probably answer yes to the new mask question. Not sure what that's about. Worked for me just to hit y. Anyway, then fire up xine and go to town! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 6 00:51:38 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > Wow, so I just finished watching Tron on my T22, thanks to > xine-dvd-css: > > deb http://samfundet.no/debian woody css > > Just put that in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and then > apt-get install xine-dvd-css (provided you're running woody, or > testing). > > If your drive doesn't have a region coded in yet, you may get errors > trying to read the key. In that case, just grab > http://linuxtv.org/download/dvd/dvd_disc_20000215_css.tar.gz > > and compile as follows: > > # gcc -c dvd_udf.c > # gcc -c regionset.c > # gcc -o regionset dvd_udf.o regionset.o > > Then run that regionset program. Be careful, since your drive only > allows a finite number of region setting changes. You'll see NONE on > like line two or three of its output if you don't have a region > already. > > If you try to set the region, it'll ask you for a region number. > Here's the legend: > 1. USA & Canada > 2. Europe & Japan > 3. South East Asia > 4. Latin America & Australia > 5. Russia & Africa > 6. (People&s Republic of) China > 7. Reserved > 8. Special international venues (airplanes, cruise ships, etc.) > > You can probably answer yes to the new mask question. Not sure what > that's about. Worked for me just to hit y. > > Anyway, then fire up xine and go to town! Is it not the case that xine works as a region-free DVD software player, ignoring the region code set in hardware? -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 00:55:20 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106005520.N13400@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > Is it not the case that xine works as a region-free DVD software > player, ignoring the region code set in hardware? Turns out there are two types of DVD-ROM drives. One (the older kind) assumed that any region encoding would be done in software, and provided the codes in an advisory capacity. Modern DVD-ROM hardware doesn't trust the software at all, and won't give out the DVD-ROM's key unless the region is set appropriately. My T22 has a Hitachi GD-S200 drive, which has a hacked region-free firmware, but all the utilities are for windows, it looks like. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 6 00:56:46 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> (Seth David Schoen's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:51:38 -0800") References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Seth David Schoen quotation: > Is it not the case that xine works as a region-free DVD software > player, ignoring the region code set in hardware? I believe some models of drive enforce the region unilaterally; the software has no say once you've used up your "free credits". -- "A cavalry would be a waste of time. Guys on bikes, that's the ticket!" -- Eamon de Valera From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 00:57:46 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > begin Seth David Schoen quotation: > > Is it not the case that xine works as a region-free DVD software > > player, ignoring the region code set in hardware? > > I believe some models of drive enforce the region unilaterally; the > software has no say once you've used up your "free credits". Indeed, tehse are called RPC-2 drives. The ones that provide the region info in an advisory capacity to the player software are called RPC-1. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 6 01:00:09 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) Message-ID: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Seth David Schoen ----- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:58:48 -0800 From: Seth David Schoen Subject: Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) The Virgin Megastore at 4th and Market (by the Powell BART station) sells CDs and copyrighted stuff in general. They've put up a Christmas ad poster on the outside of their store which has some very unfortunate legend like "Best cracking DVDs" or "Super cracking DVDs" or "Holiday cracking DVDs" or "Cracking the DVD holiday puzzle" or "Get cracking good DVDs" or _something_ like that. There is a picture of a nutcracker, and the idea is that you can buy exciting DVDs for people as Christmas presents. I plan to get my picture taken next to the sign, and I encourage everybody else to do the same. [...] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 6 01:05:25 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:57:46 -0800") References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> Message-ID: <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Sean Neakums quotation: >> I believe some models of drive enforce the region unilaterally; the >> software has no say once you've used up your "free credits". > > Indeed, tehse are called RPC-2 drives. The ones that provide > the region info in an advisory capacity to the player software are > called RPC-1. Do drives carry a label identifying their RPC-ness, or would I need to know which makes and models to look for? -- "Love and understanding are the ultimate crimes." -- Eamon de Valera From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 01:09:34 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > Do drives carry a label identifying their RPC-ness, or would I need to > know which makes and models to look for? I had to do a bunch of research, myself. Poke around in proc and do google searches for your drive model plus "firmware region-free" -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 6 01:20:56 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:09:34 -0800") References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> Message-ID: <6ulmhk5k7b.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Sean Neakums quotation: >> Do drives carry a label identifying their RPC-ness, or would I need >> to know which makes and models to look for? > > I had to do a bunch of research, myself. Poke around in proc > and do google searches for your drive model plus "firmware > region-free" Well, I don't have a DVD-ROM yet, so I figure the best thing to do is buy one that will give me the least grief. Mind you, I can see myself going through all this hassle and watching about one DVD before finding something new to play with. > INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY > CONVERSATION I was going to ask you about that, but I remember what it is now. -- "Bring me a doctor; I have a hole in my head." -- Eamon de Valera From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 01:25:38 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <6ulmhk5k7b.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <6ulmhk5k7b.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106012538.T13400@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > Well, I don't have a DVD-ROM yet, so I figure the best thing to do > is buy one that will give me the least grief. Mind you, I can see > myself going through all this hassle and watching about one DVD > before finding something new to play with. Yeah, see, I'm on a laptop, which means that I can watch a movie when I get bored just about anywhere. I see this as taking some of the sting out of occasionally being in places where there is no innurnet. In the ULB doc, I note that the panasonic drive he mentions is a SCSI device. This could take care of a lot of the buffering and streaming problems I"ve been having with the spinup and transfer lag. Goddamn laptop IDE. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Tue Nov 6 03:29:30 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Place That Image!! In-Reply-To: <20011105173137.F16121@zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in November Emad El-Haraty assaulted keyboard and produced... | |Ok, can you figure out what this image is from? |options include: |A biohazard containment operation |A beastie boys video |or is it some other thing?! | | |http://www.crackmonkey.org/~spork/ptp.jpg checking your mail? -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yasir Arafat From jdub at perkypants.org Tue Nov 6 05:27:09 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) In-Reply-To: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> References: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107002709.Q14417@perkypants.org> > "Best cracking DVDs" > > or > > "Super cracking DVDs" > > or > > "Holiday cracking DVDs" > > or > > "Cracking the DVD holiday puzzle" > > or > > "Get cracking good DVDs" Craicing good DVDs? :) - Jeff -- I must be getting old... Buying toothpaste with gel in it is no longer an Absolute Necessity. From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Tue Nov 6 06:24:32 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) In-Reply-To: <20011107002709.Q14417@perkypants.org> References: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> <20011107002709.Q14417@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011107012432.A24493@masher.homeip.net> > > Craicing good DVDs? :) > Does anyone outside Austria get that joke? -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com "Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas" -- Arnold 'Ace' Rimmer, Red Dwarf From jdub at perkypants.org Tue Nov 6 06:34:44 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) In-Reply-To: <20011107012432.A24493@masher.homeip.net> References: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> <20011107002709.Q14417@perkypants.org> <20011107012432.A24493@masher.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20011107013444.U14417@perkypants.org> > > Craicing good DVDs? :) > > Does anyone outside Austria get that joke? The whole fucking Icelandic Republic says it all the time! Ninny! - Jeff -- "Ever had a morning where you were not kissed and told "I love you," when the night before you SCREWED so wildly that you could not remember? GOOD MORNING!!!!" - Andre Hedrick, Linux ATA Dude From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 6 06:39:04 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) In-Reply-To: <20011107013444.U14417@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:34:44 +1100") References: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> <20011107002709.Q14417@perkypants.org> <20011107012432.A24493@masher.homeip.net> <20011107013444.U14417@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6uwv143qwn.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> > Craicing good DVDs? :) >> Does anyone outside Austria get that joke? > > The whole fucking Icelandic Republic says it all the time! Ninny! Not in that context. -- "Bring me a doctor; I have a hole in my head." -- Eamon de Valera From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 6 07:56:18 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] charged with flag burning? In-Reply-To: <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> References: <20011105153526.C13400@zork.net> <20011105170010.E6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106095618.I3513@tastytronic.net> Quoting Seth David Schoen: > I was a huge fan of MaryKait Durkee ...I thought her last name was Andashleyolsen! pedro From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 6 07:59:10 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Place That Image!! In-Reply-To: <20011105181319.A25549@zork.net> References: <20011105173137.F16121@zork.net> <20011105181319.A25549@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106095910.J3513@tastytronic.net> Quoting George Moffitt: > It's probably from a transitional care facility or resting > home, where one of the patients is a contagen risk. If they are a risk, it is not an airborne contaigion. pedro From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 6 08:05:46 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > I had to do a bunch of research, myself. Poke around in proc > and do google searches for your drive model plus "firmware > region-free" I would like to take this moment to point out that rms would recommend you not watch DVDs at all, since they have built in restrictions. He told me that I shouldn't use MiniDisc because of it's built in "portables can't do digital in" restriction. I'm not sure if this changes when a hack allows you to circumvent a restriction technology, or if the technology is still verboten because of it's inherently non-free design. unclepedro From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 6 08:55:54 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Uncle Pedro's Tom Waits Fan Watch Message-ID: <20011106105554.L3513@tastytronic.net> This just in... http://www.rollingstone.com/News/newsarticle.asp?afl=nscp&nid=14871 greasy film at eleven. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 09:34:31 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011106093431.A5235@zork.net> begin Uncle Pedro quotation: > I would like to take this moment to point out that rms would > recommend you not watch DVDs at all, since they have built in > restrictions. He told me that I shouldn't use MiniDisc because of > it's built in "portables can't do digital in" restriction. > > I'm not sure if this changes when a hack allows you to circumvent a > restriction technology, or if the technology is still verboten > because of it's inherently non-free design. Well, it supports the development of the restrictions, so it's still not nice. However, I didn't pay for the DVD drive. I did, however, pay for the DVD rental ($4 for 5 days of Tron). -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 6 09:54:14 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011106095414.X6256@zork.net> Peter A. Peterson II writes: > Quoting Monkey Master: > > I had to do a bunch of research, myself. Poke around in proc > > and do google searches for your drive model plus "firmware > > region-free" > > I would like to take this moment to point out that rms would recommend > you not watch DVDs at all, since they have built in restrictions. He > told me that I shouldn't use MiniDisc because of it's built in > "portables can't do digital in" restriction. > > I'm not sure if this changes when a hack allows you to circumvent a > restriction technology, or if the technology is still verboten because > of it's inherently non-free design. It occurs to me that an ideological boycott practiced by less than 1% of the population is so small that the people targetted often haven't even _heard of it_. So it might be a good idea to let them know, if you're going to engage in that boycott. I've been faithfully boycotting Amazon.com for a long time now, and I wrote them by e-mail and got a form letter. I should write to Jeff Bezos; he says at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/misc/patents.html that he had (probably in 1999) "received several hundred e-mail messages on the subject of our 1-Click ordering patent". I bet that's fallen off sharply (much as the Justice Department is probably no longer hearing that Dmitry Sklyarov's arrest is producing public outrage). Bezos proceeds to make a silly argument: what he's trying to say is that he thinks his fiduciary duty to shareholders is a necessary and sufficient reason for the lawsuit against Barnes and Noble. Instead, he goes on about this "unilateral", why-should-we-be-the-only-ones business. Software patents now are like nuclear weapons during the Cold War. Both superpowers had stockpiled them; both were advised that these weapons were essential for defense, for their deterrent value. There was a "mutually assured destruction" doctrine. Peace activists recognized that this was a dangerous situation in which to remain, but they had different views on what to do about it. Some proposed that each side should adopt a "no first use" rule (and make it binding in various ways). Some proposed unliteral disarmament. Others proposed disarmament through multilateral treaties (a strategy which was actually used to some extent, although not enough to prevent nuclear weapons from being a tremendous risk to the world). But all agreed that unilateral _use_ of nuclear weapons would be a terrible, reprehensible thing. Bezos wilfully confused unilateral disarmament with (refraining from) unilateral use. It would be great if lots of people wrote to him to point that out, and to advise him that we're still boycotting Amazon. Anyway, the right target if you boycott DVDs is not the copyright industries but the consumer electronics industries -- they more than anyone acquiesced, gave in, cut deals here. The copyright industries' only problem with CSS, we've seen, is that it wasn't good enough, or that their software industry "partners" didn't keep the secret well enough. The CE community was the one to which CSS was presented and the one which, in awe of the power of Hollywood to mete and dole, bind and loose, gave in and signed on to the CSS "standard". Matsushita (Panasonic brand) and Toshiba are behind CSS technology and licensing, but many other players (how many, I don't know; if I ever find out, it's likely to be privileged) signed on, too. But I'm afraid that, when they hear about the boycott, they will laugh out loud, and say to themselves that your "open media" are on their way out. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 6 10:45:52 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106095414.X6256@zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106095414.X6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106124552.N3513@tastytronic.net> Quoting Seth David Schoen: > Anyway, the right target if you boycott DVDs is not the copyright > industries but the consumer electronics industries -- they more than > anyone acquiesced, gave in, cut deals here. The copyright industries' > only problem with CSS, we've seen, is that it wasn't good enough, or > that their software industry "partners" didn't keep the secret well > enough. The CE community was the one to which CSS was presented and > the one which, in awe of the power of Hollywood to mete and dole, bind > and loose, gave in and signed on to the CSS "standard". Do you mean that they are the right target if you intend to get results? Or they are the right target because they bear the most responsibility? It seems to me that the evil king bears more responsibility than the subjects who felt that they had no choice (even though neither are innocent). pedro From banhp at dca.net Tue Nov 6 10:52:51 2001 From: banhp at dca.net (Phil Banh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106124552.N3513@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > Quoting Seth David Schoen: > > Anyway, the right target if you boycott DVDs is not the copyright > > industries but the consumer electronics industries -- they more than > > anyone acquiesced, gave in, cut deals here. The copyright industries' > > only problem with CSS, we've seen, is that it wasn't good enough, or > > that their software industry "partners" didn't keep the secret well > > enough. The CE community was the one to which CSS was presented and > > the one which, in awe of the power of Hollywood to mete and dole, bind > > and loose, gave in and signed on to the CSS "standard". > > Do you mean that they are the right target if you intend to get > results? Or they are the right target because they bear the most > responsibility? It seems to me that the evil king bears more > responsibility than the subjects who felt that they had no choice (even > though neither are innocent). > Oh.. don't even get me started on the Evil King Bears! Goddamn, EKB's. Frigga, fragga, *@!&$(*! -phil From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 10:56:03 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: My Birthday Present: weird email behaviour] Message-ID: <20011106105603.A7934@zork.net> Finally I nabbed me an exchange weenie! ----- Forwarded message from "Atwood, R C" ----- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:26:41 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Whoa! Are you sending wierd attatchments or something? I get all kinds of red flags from your messages to the Icehouse list, but of course the useless help file doesn't explain why. I assume it is triggering the college virus-detector software or something -- or are you actually sending the message with red flags? ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Nov 6 11:06:06 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: My Birthday Present: weird email behaviour] In-Reply-To: <20011106105603.A7934@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:56:03AM -0800 References: <20011106105603.A7934@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106110606.A22301@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Whoa! Are you sending wierd attatchments or something? I get all kinds > of red flags from your messages to the Icehouse list, but of course > the useless help file doesn't explain why. I assume it is triggering > the college virus-detector software or something -- or are you > actually sending the message with red flags? "That's right folks! For a limited time only, all messages will be sent out accompanied by FREE red flags! Crimson, scarlet, vermilion, rose, ruby! COLLECT THEM ALL! TELL YOUR FRIENDS! THEY'RE FREE!" -md From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 6 11:04:41 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106124552.N3513@tastytronic.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106095414.X6256@zork.net> <20011106124552.N3513@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011106110441.Z6256@zork.net> Peter A. Peterson II writes: > Quoting Seth David Schoen: > > Anyway, the right target if you boycott DVDs is not the copyright > > industries but the consumer electronics industries -- they more than > > anyone acquiesced, gave in, cut deals here. The copyright industries' > > only problem with CSS, we've seen, is that it wasn't good enough, or > > that their software industry "partners" didn't keep the secret well > > enough. The CE community was the one to which CSS was presented and > > the one which, in awe of the power of Hollywood to mete and dole, bind > > and loose, gave in and signed on to the CSS "standard". > > Do you mean that they are the right target if you intend to get > results? Or they are the right target because they bear the most > responsibility? It seems to me that the evil king bears more > responsibility than the subjects who felt that they had no choice (even > though neither are innocent). I was thinking about results, but maybe the evil king is more responsible. You could tell the copyright industries that you will never buy copy-protected media, but they might say something like "Muahaha, so where will you get a Macrovision-free VCR these days? Europe?". -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 11:25:13 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [jroyale@mindspring.com: [Pigdog] ANNOUNCEMENT - TTNiPNatAA - Thursday Night Is Pigdog Night at the American Astronaut] Message-ID: <20011106112513.D12399@zork.net> Beaujolais! ----- Forwarded message from Johnnie Royale ----- X-Mailer: Whatcha Looking At Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:09:55 -0800 To: pigdog-l@bearfountain.com Thursday Night Is Pigdog Night at the American Astronaut Thursday Night Is Pigdog Night Thursday at Night the Is American Pigdog Astronaut Night at the American Astronaut Thursday Night Is Pigdog Night at the American Astronaut This is a rock and roll, sci-fi, film noir, B&W, zero budget western musical and it probably doesn't make any sense unless you are the writer (Cory McAbee) or have an IQ over 200 or under 50. But it looks like strange, weird, humorous, very very eldritch movie absolutely filled to the brim with Bad People of the Future -- being set in the future and containing lots of bad people. You can read the reviews... http://www.sfbg.com/AandE/36/05/ae_opener.html http://ae.bayarea.com/entertainment/ui/bayarea/movie.html?id=41703&reviewId=5817 http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/arts/movies-29479.html http://www.mrqe.com/lookup?isindex=American+Astronaut watch the trailer here http://www.americanastronaut.com/trailers/ or you can just say fuck it, it's Thursday night, and I'm gonna go catch a buzz, watch a whacked out movie and then melt my brains with alcohol with Johnnie Royale. The American Astronaut is playing at the Lemurie (1572 California, SF), which isn't located in the finest neighborhood in the world, but it is the only place the American Astronaut is playing between Portland and LA - so we don't have a lot of choice. The plan is to meet at either the Hanauma Bay (1548 California) or the Tango Tango (1550 California) http://bayarea.citysearch.com/profile/886125/bar , depending on which looks more Pigdogish,. Both of the bars are (according to the map) within spitting distance of the theater. For those really concerned about meeting up, email me off list for my cell number. The movie should end about 9:10 or so and afterwards we'll be moving over to the Edinburgh Castle (950 Geary) http://bayarea.citysearch.com/profile/886127/ which is about 5 blocks south and is fine Scottish bar that serves a good pint of Guinness and decent dinner as well -- assuming you like haggis. So if you miss the movie, you can catch up with us there. Typical Pigdog mayhem will continue until at least midnight when the Bart Pumpkins will sprint for the last transbay public transportation option. Unfortunately, the Lemurie is unlikely to allow pigs or dogs or even pigdogs, so you'll just have to leave them at home folks. Schedule Recap Thursday, Nov 8th. 6:30 Hanauma Bay or Tango Tango 7:40 American Astronaut at the Lemurie 9:20 Edinburgh Castle. ,,,,,, <=> o#'9MMHb':'-,o, <=> <=> <=> .oH":HH$' "' ' -*R&o, <=> <=> dMMM*""'`' .oM"HM?. <=> ,MMM' "HLbd< ?&H\ <=> <=> .:MH ."\ ` MM MM&b <=> . "*H - &MMMMMMMMMH: . dboo MMMMMMMMMMMM. . dMMMMMMb *MMMMMMMMMP. . MMMMMMMP *MMMMMP . `#MMMMM MM6P , ' `MMMP" HM*`, ' :MM .- , '. `#?.. . ..' -. . .- ''-.oo,oo.-'' JR ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 6 11:37:33 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106110441.Z6256@zork.net> References: <20011106002252.M13400@zork.net> <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106095414.X6256@zork.net> <20011106124552.N3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106110441.Z6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106113733.B16733@zgp.org> begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:04:41AM -0800: > I was thinking about results, but maybe the evil king is more > responsible. You could tell the copyright industries that you will > never buy copy-protected media, but they might say something like > "Muahaha, so where will you get a Macrovision-free VCR these days? > Europe?". You said "copy-protected". Put a dollar in the jar, now. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 6 11:49:05 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: My Birthday Present: weird email behaviour] In-Reply-To: <20011106110606.A22301@lxbox3.standmed.int> References: <20011106105603.A7934@zork.net> <20011106110606.A22301@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011106114905.C16733@zgp.org> begin mike dillon quotation of Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:06:06AM -0800: > "That's right folks! For a limited time only, all messages will be sent > out accompanied by FREE red flags! Crimson, scarlet, vermilion, rose, > ruby! COLLECT THEM ALL! TELL YOUR FRIENDS! THEY'RE FREE!" Must be some header _magic!_ -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 12:01:29 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I send you this link Message-ID: <20011106120129.A15562@zork.net> http://openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/04/05/shirky.html Nice article. No reason. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 6 12:23:17 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106113733.B16733@zgp.org> References: <20011106005138.P6256@zork.net> <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106095414.X6256@zork.net> <20011106124552.N3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106110441.Z6256@zork.net> <20011106113733.B16733@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011106122317.F6256@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:04:41AM -0800: > > > I was thinking about results, but maybe the evil king is more > > responsible. You could tell the copyright industries that you will > > never buy copy-protected media, but they might say something like > > "Muahaha, so where will you get a Macrovision-free VCR these days? > > Europe?". > > You said "copy-protected". Put a dollar in the jar, now. I tell you what, I'll donate $1 to EFF at our booth at ALS. You can, too. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 6 12:35:06 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] DVDs on Debian In-Reply-To: <20011106122317.F6256@zork.net> References: <6uu1w85lbl.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106005746.P13400@zork.net> <6upu6w5kx6.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011106010934.R13400@zork.net> <20011106100546.K3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106095414.X6256@zork.net> <20011106124552.N3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106110441.Z6256@zork.net> <20011106113733.B16733@zgp.org> <20011106122317.F6256@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106123506.F18761@zgp.org> begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:23:17PM -0800: > I tell you what, I'll donate $1 to EFF at our booth at ALS. You can, > too. That's where the dollar goes. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From claviola at alternex.com.br Tue Nov 6 12:39:32 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Paint with Linux Message-ID: <20011106183932.A7853@vorlon.alternex.com.br> http://intro.hu/linux.jpg -- Carlos Laviola From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 6 12:40:11 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [e.weisstein@wolfram.com: MathWorld Is Back!] Message-ID: <20011106124011.H6256@zork.net> Maybe my Bunner party this weekend should be a Bunner and Weisstein party instead. ----- Forwarded message from "Eric W. Weisstein" ----- From: Eric W.Weisstein Subject: MathWorld Is Back! Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:36:29 -0600 (CST) Dear Friend of MathWorld, Some time ago--for some of you as long as a year ago--you sent me email in response to the forced closing of the web site at: http://mathworld.wolfram.com Now I am finally able to respond to all of you with the best possible news: MathWorld is back! Although it may have seemed as if nothing were happening, behind the scenes Wolfram Research, their lawyers, and I were working the whole time to bring MathWorld back. Now, after a huge amount of effort on all of our parts, the case has been settled and MathWorld has been returned to the web. If you are interested, there is a detailed history of the case on the web site. To those of you maintaining active links into MathWorld, they all work again--as of today! Thanks for keeping the faith. To everyone, please come visit, read, and learn. I think you'll like what we've done to the site during its long and painful shutdown. Thanks for your support, and above all: Welcome back! Eric W. Weisstein Encyclopedist Wolfram Research, Inc. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 6 13:03:51 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] To: ALL Message-ID: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> Attention all employees: The following is our new official mandatory corporate desktop environment: http://www.themes.org/themes/312/screenshot/ If you have any questions, please contact Information Services. That is all. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 14:04:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Paint with Linux In-Reply-To: <20011106183932.A7853@vorlon.alternex.com.br> References: <20011106183932.A7853@vorlon.alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <20011106140411.A16193@zork.net> begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > http://intro.hu/linux.jpg Looks like linoleum polish, actually. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 14:07:43 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Barker, baby Message-ID: <20011106140743.B16193@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Not Erik ----- [snip] > Shopping, Dating Services, Health, Games and Software, Humor, ~~~~~~~~ Start with http://www.bobbarker.com -- Bob Barker prison supplies! [snip] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 14:17:55 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [snatcher@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] Journalists Disguise Themselves as Afghan Women] Message-ID: <20011106141755.C16193@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from RatSnatcher ----- Journalists Disguise Themselves as Afghan Women by Richard S. Ehrlich ISLAMABAD, Pakistan ? This country's economy is in shambles but shopkeepers are profiting from a bizarre trend in the bazaar: male foreign correspondents buying "burqa" veils. -more- http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.45/afghan_burqas.htm -- .^....^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .) --Christopher Walken `{""}' ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 14:43:37 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] To: ALL In-Reply-To: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > The following is our new official mandatory corporate desktop > environment: > > http://www.themes.org/themes/312/screenshot/ <@pedro> oh my <@pedro> david hasselhoff's whole existence is super comical <@pedro> first of all, there's the name: "David Hasselhoff" <@pedro> and then there's the matter of the hairstyles (@CrackMonkey) hahaha <*@emad> better than horselhoof <@pedro> then his big television shows -- Knight Rider (a personal childhood favorite) and Baywatch <@pedro> and THEN the little matter of spinoffs like the Knight Rider 2000 tv movie <@pedro> and the bad Roger Corman sci fi movie he was in <@pedro> Add to that, his singing career <@pedro> and the whole "they love him in germany" meme <@pedro> stir, and include a drop of lemon <@pedro> it's just too funny <@pedro> like, his "rugged good looks" <*@emad> SOooommeebbooodddyyy soundssss jeaaaalousss -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 6 15:04:34 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TV Land is a weird place... In-Reply-To: <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011106170434.R3513@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > > http://www.themes.org/themes/312/screenshot/ Ok, this is the picture of his wife, under the "family" section: http://www.davidhasselhoff.tv/images/large/familypamela(big).jpg pedro From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Nov 6 15:59:43 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] To: ALL In-Reply-To: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:03:51PM -0800 References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011106155943.A22970@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Don Marti quotation: > The following is our new official mandatory corporate desktop > environment: > > http://www.themes.org/themes/312/screenshot/ http://oracleofbacon.org/oracle/star_links.html -- 8< -- Star Links The Oracle says: David Hasselhoff has a Wil Wheaton number of 2. David Hasselhoff was in "Semi-Tough" (1980) with Bruce McGill Bruce McGill was in Deep Core (2000) with Wil Wheaton -- >8 -- -md From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 16:00:35 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] To: ALL In-Reply-To: <20011106155943.A22970@lxbox3.standmed.int> References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> <20011106155943.A22970@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011106160034.A26756@zork.net> begin mike dillon quotation: > The Oracle says: David Hasselhoff has a Wil Wheaton number of 2. God bless the Internet! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Nov 6 16:18:21 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:04 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TV Land is a weird place... In-Reply-To: <20011106170434.R3513@tastytronic.net>; from pedro@tastytronic.net on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:04:34PM -0600 References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> <20011106170434.R3513@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011106161821.A22995@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Peter A. Peterson II quotation: > Ok, this is the picture of his wife, under the "family" section: > > http://www.davidhasselhoff.tv/images/large/familypamela(big).jpg So, apparently, his existence isn't _entirely_ super-comical. He does have one hot mama for a wife; however, their children are beings of a most frightful nature: http://www.davidhasselhoff.tv/images/large/familyallfour(big).jpg The following URL also diminishes the mitigative effect of his marriage to the uber-babe Pamela Bach: http://www.pamelabach.com/ -md From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 6 16:20:09 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TV Land is a weird place... In-Reply-To: <20011106161821.A22995@lxbox3.standmed.int> References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> <20011106170434.R3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106161821.A22995@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011106162009.E26756@zork.net> begin mike dillon quotation: > The following URL also diminishes the mitigative effect of his > marriage to the uber-babe Pamela Bach: > > http://www.pamelabach.com/ I dunno. She hasn't got that much of a body: http://www.pamelabach.com/images/portraits/Pamela8.jpg -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Nov 6 16:23:48 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TV Land is a weird place... In-Reply-To: <20011106161821.A22995@lxbox3.standmed.int>; from mdillon@standmed.com on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:18:21PM -0800 References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> <20011106170434.R3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106161821.A22995@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011106162348.A23052@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin mike dillon quotation: > The following URL also diminishes the mitigative effect of his > marriage to the uber-babe Pamela Bach: > > http://www.pamelabach.com/ Not only that, but she SMOKES too! cf. http://smokingsides.com/asfs/B/Bach.html Let me just say that i have found my new favorite Innurnet site of the day: http://smokingsides.com/ -md From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 6 16:31:02 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TV Land is a weird place... In-Reply-To: <20011106162348.A23052@lxbox3.standmed.int> References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> <20011106170434.R3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106161821.A22995@lxbox3.standmed.int> <20011106162348.A23052@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011106163102.A24907@zgp.org> begin mike dillon quotation of Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:23:48PM -0800: > Not only that, but she SMOKES too! > cf. http://smokingsides.com/asfs/B/Bach.html Parker Posey is a smoking _fiend_! Quick, somebody plant more tobacco! http://smokingsides.com/asfs/P/Posey.html http://smokingsides.com/asfs/m/C/Clockwatchers%20(1997).html -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 19:08:18 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [kodrik@zc8.com: Zork 2 and 3] Message-ID: <20011106190818.J26756@zork.net> This is that web zork game ----- Forwarded message from Kodrik ----- I put Zork 2 and 3 up. Tell me what you think. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 6 19:32:13 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Not reassuring Message-ID: <20011106193213.L26756@zork.net> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2001/10/19/notes101901.DTL Patriotism without gullibility. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Nov 6 17:53:32 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] To: ALL In-Reply-To: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:03:51 -0800") References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "dm" == Don Marti writes: dm> http://www.themes.org/themes/312/screenshot/ I stopped ftp after the first megabyte. Don't slobbering gay pornographers know how to compress their filez? -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 01:29:38 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software Message-ID: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> Well, this looks to be much smoother than xine, and those menus would be good to have. ----- Forwarded message from proclus@iname.com ----- Here is something that might interest a few ;-}. http://freshmeat.net/projects/ogle Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C++++ UBULI++++$ P+ L+++(++++) E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e++++ h--- r+++ y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 02:08:31 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107020831.E12310@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://freshmeat.net/projects/ogle It's definitely got some advantages over xine. For one, it does the menus, and it seems to lack the synchronization problems xine has (sometimes a new scene will hang and the audio and video won't get unstuck at the same time). On the other hand, it's also not as eager to buffer or something, because I get interlacing blurs more often with ogle than I did with xine. It's probably more evident with Akira than most DVDs,though, since Akira is a 56fps cartoon trying to play at 27fps. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 06:24:14 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Nick Moffitt wrote: >Well, this looks to be much smoother than xine, and those menus would >be good to have. apt-get install xine-dvdnav uses libogle, so you don't have to put up with the ogle ogre. btw: if you suck down xine-ui and libxine0 from unstable, your xining experience trebles! (you also might want libdvdread2 and friends, but you'll have to compile libcss yourself -- i might get around to packaging it sometime soon if i get the shits enough with it) -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Fuck it, I'm smart. -- #slug, OPN From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 06:38:02 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011108013802.X21187@perkypants.org> > (you also might want libdvdread2 and friends, but you'll > have to compile libcss yourself -- i might get around to packaging it > sometime soon if i get the shits enough with it) deb http://samfundet.no/debian woody css apt-get install xine-dvd-css You no read yo' crackmonkey? - Jeff -- No pants is good pants. From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 06:40:32 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108013802.X21187@perkypants.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011108013802.X21187@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011108014032.B11430@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > >> (you also might want libdvdread2 and friends, but you'll >> have to compile libcss yourself -- i might get around to packaging it >> sometime soon if i get the shits enough with it) > > deb http://samfundet.no/debian woody css > > apt-get install xine-dvd-css > >You no read yo' crackmonkey? Sure I do. xine-ui and libxine0 are version 0.9.2 (or 3, depending). They conflict with xine-dvd-css from samfundet. Why? Because xine-dvd-css is for shitfuck old version 0.4.blah. The new xine is Nice and Modular(tm), relying on libdvdread to do all the hard work with DVDs and CSS. The upshot of all this is I can now watch The Making of Ghost In The Shell. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 09:44:55 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > This one time, at band camp, Nick Moffitt wrote: > >Well, this looks to be much smoother than xine, and those menus would > >be good to have. > > apt-get install xine-dvdnav > > uses libogle, so you don't have to put up with the ogle ogre. > > btw: if you suck down xine-ui and libxine0 from unstable, your > xining experience trebles! (you also might want libdvdread2 and > friends, but you'll have to compile libcss yourself -- i might get > around to packaging it sometime soon if i get the shits enough with > it) Try mailing the guy who has the xine-dvd-css repository, and put it there. Centralizing this stuff would be good. Anyway, the packages you list don't have css, and they uninstall my existing xine-dvd-css. I'll stick with ogle for a while until more options show up in apt repositories. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From spork at zork.net Wed Nov 7 09:45:04 2001 From: spork at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Scientology and SomethingAwful Message-ID: <20011107094504.A29873@zork.net> http://www.somethingawful.com/ -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 7 07:18:27 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) In-Reply-To: <6uwv143qwn.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> <20011107002709.Q14417@perkypants.org> <20011107012432.A24493@masher.homeip.net> <20011107013444.U14417@perkypants.org> <6uwv143qwn.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87u1w6hanw.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> Not in that context. I got it, though, because I'm all cosmopolitan and shit. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Nov 7 10:17:19 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:44:55AM -0800: > Anyway, the packages you list don't have css, and they > uninstall my existing xine-dvd-css. I'll stick with ogle for a while > until more options show up in apt repositories. They work if you install libdvdcss, which is tiny and total cake to install: http://www.videolan.org/libdvdcss/ But when I press the doodad that looks like a "next track" button it exits. Shit, how am I going to find the sign text from "They Live" without watching the whole damn movie? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 10:26:00 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:44:55AM -0800: > > Anyway, the packages you list don't have css, and they > > uninstall my existing xine-dvd-css. I'll stick with ogle for a > > while until more options show up in apt repositories. > > They work if you install libdvdcss, which is tiny and total cake to > install: http://www.videolan.org/libdvdcss/ And I have it installed, but do these packages automatically know to look in /usr/local/lib for it? > But when I press the doodad that looks like a "next track" button > it exits. Shit, how am I going to find the sign text from "They > Live" without watching the whole damn movie? yeah, xine likes to crash. ogle is far more stable, and it doesn't fall out of sync like xine does. I haven't tried newer xines, but I am skeptical. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Nov 7 10:37:15 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:26:00AM -0800: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > They work if you install libdvdcss, which is tiny and total cake to > > install: http://www.videolan.org/libdvdcss/ > > And I have it installed, but do these packages automatically > know to look in /usr/local/lib for it? Yes, if you put it in /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig. xine doesn't circumvent CSS because it hands the hot potato to xine-dvdnav. xine-dvdnav doesn't circumvent CSS because it hands the hot potato to libdvdread. libdvdread is probably what's asking libdvdcss to do it. > yeah, xine likes to crash. ogle is far more stable, and it > doesn't fall out of sync like xine does. I haven't tried newer xines, > but I am skeptical. Ogle bigot throws down the gauntlet to xine! -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 10:41:14 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > And I have it installed, but do these packages automatically > > know to look in /usr/local/lib for it? > > Yes, if you put it in /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig. And xine will know to use this instead of the one that gets installed as a dependency? > xine doesn't circumvent CSS because it hands the hot potato to > xine-dvdnav. xine-dvdnav doesn't circumvent CSS because it hands the > hot potato to libdvdread. libdvdread is probably what's asking > libdvdcss to do it. > > yeah, xine likes to crash. ogle is far more stable, and it > > doesn't fall out of sync like xine does. I haven't tried newer > > xines, but I am skeptical. > > Ogle bigot throws down the gauntlet to xine! Yeah. Xine was fragile and girly, while ogle was solid and manly. The only problem with ogle was a mild performance problem, but I was using a slightly degenerate case DVD. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 10:44:35 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [trevor@jpj.net: Re: [Pigdog] http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/] Message-ID: <20011107104435.I12310@zork.net> Brilliant terminology! ----- Forwarded message from Trevor Johnson ----- > > I never even get to read what Crackwhore has to say, apparantly > > cause I use shitty microsoft software. > > > > Paul. Will the virus impact my Macintosh if I am using a non-Microsoft e-mail program, such as Eudora? If you are using an Macintosh e-mail program that is not from Microsoft, we recommend checking with that particular company. But most likely other e-mail programs like Eudora are not designed to enable virus replication. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/office/2001/virus_alert.asp#Faqs -- Trevor Johnson ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 10:50:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mr.bad@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] I need a favor] Message-ID: <20011107105034.J12310@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from "Mr. Bad" ----- >>>>> "JR" == Johnnie Royale writes: JR> Can someone repost Mr.Bad's Rules and guide to TNiPNa_ posts? JR> Thanks TNiPNaZ Announcement Rules ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Just in case anybody wanted to read them, here's the officious rules for a TNiPNaZ announcement: 1) You have to make the announcement on pigdog-l. 2) You have to use DECLARATIVE SENTENCES in your announcement. "Does anyone want to go to the Lamrz Club? Huh?! Anyone?" is NOT a TNiPNaZ announcement. 3) You have to use an authoritative tone of voice. NOT "I'm thinking it might be a good idea to go to the Lamrz Club. If anyone else thinks they might want to go, I could possibly go there maybe." Instead, try, "THIS THURSDAY! WE! WILL! HAVE! TNiPNaLC at the Lamrz Club!!!!" 4) ASCII art is mandatory. No ASCII art, no announcement. Your ASCII art can be as small as a single anus -> * if you identify it as ASCII art. 5) Announcements for cyber, non-existent or just plain silly locations are ignored. For example, "Thursday Night is Pigdog Night on EFNet!" "Thursday Night is Pigdog Night in Methven!" "Thursday Night is Pigdog Night in My Ass!" 6) The first conforming announcement to the list for a given date is authoritative (tie goes to the runner). 7) Announcements for perfectly reasonable but non-Bay Area locations are fine, but they don't preclude a local Bay Area announcement. 8) If you announce it, you have to show up. ---8<--- Here are some out-of-my-ass non-normative guidelines for good places to go for TNiPNa_. These are non-binding and it's totally LEGAL to call it for a place that's not conforming. However, expect to be bitched out by our crack team of Pigdog Complainers. Section A: Bars * Guinness, on tap, in pitchers. * Availability of multiple non-Guinness beverages with various levels of alcohol toxicity. Examples: Ketel One martinis, hard cider, Splicey ginger beer. Points for selection and creativity. * Reasonable prices. * Large tables conducive to conviviality and vigorous discussion. * Space for 2-30 attendees. * Accessible by car and public transportation. * Low environmental volume level. We prefer to be the annoyance rather than the annoyed. * High staff tolerance for fire, overturned furniture, spilled beer and peanut shells. Section B: Non-bars * Entertainment of some sort that will be enjoyable by a plurality of typical TNiPNa_ attendees. Examples: robots, fire, robots on fire, movies about Spock or other unsung geniuses. * Space for 2-30 attendees. * Proximity to a bar meeting the guidelines for Section A. Here are some style guidelines for making your announcement. Again, none are legally binding. However, I've found that announcements that meet these guidelines tend to garner better attendance than minimally conforming (level 1) announcements. * Use the prefix "ANNOUNCEMENT:" in the subject line. * Use original and non-trivial ASCII art. * Go shithouse crazy with the exclamation points. Try just holding down the Shift+1 key for a count of ten, then go back and fill in text between the punctuation. * Extoll the virtues of the destination in question. Be liberal with the truth. Remember, you're not selling a TNiPNa_ event, you're selling a DREAM. * Experiment with "themed" announcements. Examples: circus announcement, town crier announcement, Dutch hacker announcement, Swedish chef announcement, pirate announcement. * Refer to current threads on PDJ or pigdog-l. * Mention people by name. For some reason, people feel obligated to show up if they are pseudo-scheduled ahead of time. * The "Bring a pig and a dog..." closing line gets em every time. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Nov 7 11:09:09 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:41:14AM -0800: > And xine will know to use this instead of the one that gets > installed as a dependency? There's only one copy of libdvdread on the system -- it automagically looks for libdvdcss, and xine doesn't know about the latter at all. "I'm shocked, shocked to find that CSS descrambling is going on here!" > Yeah. Xine was fragile and girly, while ogle was solid and > manly. The only problem with ogle was a mild performance problem, but > I was using a slightly degenerate case DVD. You're watching degenerate, solid and manly movies on a Wednesday morning? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From pawal at blipp.com Wed Nov 7 11:14:58 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Scientology and SomethingAwful In-Reply-To: <20011107094504.A29873@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Emad El-Haraty wrote: > http://www.somethingawful.com/ My Galeon won't show me that. But the URL reminds me of http://home4.inet.tele.dk/vht-dk/amiga/desc/txt/sca-org.htm -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 11:17:25 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011107111725.A19778@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > And xine will know to use this instead of the one that gets > > installed as a dependency? > > There's only one copy of libdvdread on the system -- it automagically > looks for libdvdcss, and xine doesn't know about the latter at all. > "I'm shocked, shocked to find that CSS descrambling is going > on here!" Ah, okay. Brilliant! > You're watching degenerate, solid and manly movies on a Wednesday > morning? Oh no, I have this friend, see... -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Nov 7 11:37:23 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107111725.A19778@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107111725.A19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107113723.K13060@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:17:25AM -0800: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > You're watching degenerate, solid and manly movies on a Wednesday > > morning? > > Oh no, I have this friend, see... Yeah, well I think somebody should make a movie that has hot chicks, firearms, and peer-to-peer network services in it, because that would be coool. http://mini.aimster.com/takeaim2.html -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 11:40:11 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: A German AOLers tale] Message-ID: <20011107114011.C19778@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- Maybe it's just me -- but I understood every word... http://home.t-online.de/home/stefchris/aolstrese.htm ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 11:43:06 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Scientology at WTC Message-ID: <20011107114306.D19778@zork.net> http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/20010911-tragedy/ -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 12:20:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > There's only one copy of libdvdread on the system -- it automagically > looks for libdvdcss, and xine doesn't know about the latter at all. > "I'm shocked, shocked to find that CSS descrambling is going > on here!" [beaujolais(~)] sagi xine-ui Password: Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libxine0 The following packages will be REMOVED: xine xine-dvd-css The following NEW packages will be installed: libxine0 xine-ui 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1004kB of archives. After unpacking 922kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main libxine0 0.9.2-3 [452kB] Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main xine-ui 0.9.2-3 [552kB] Fetched 976kB in 25s (38.2kB/s) ... [beaujolais(~)] xine This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.9.2 (c) 2000, 2001 by G. Bartsch and the xine project team. Built with xine library 0.9.2 [Wed 17 Oct 2001 00:42:31]-[gcc version 2.95.4 20010902 (Debian prerelease)]-[Linux 2.4.9-686 i686]. Found xine library version: 0.9.2 (0.9.2). ... xine-panel: PLAY xine_play: xine open dvd://VIDEO_TS.VOB, start pos = 0, start time = 0 (sec) input_dvd: Sorry, Xine doesn't play encrypted DVDs. The legal status of CSS decryption is unclear and we will not provide such code. Unable to find >VIDEO_TS.VOB< on dvd. xine: cannot find input plugin for this MRL xine-panel: EXIT xine_exit: try to get lock... xine_exit: shutdown audio xine_exit: shutdown video xine_exit: bye! [beaujolais(~)] Looks like you are incorrect. I have libdvdread and libdvdcss installed, and they work fine for ogle. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Nov 7 12:59:28 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 12:20:15PM -0800: > Looks like you are incorrect. I have libdvdread and libdvdcss > installed, and they work fine for ogle. The following command: xine -pq dvdnav:///dev/dvd:1.10 will get you to the famous "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass" scene. Looks like you have to use dvdnav: instead of just dvd: -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From edmonds at robertedmonds.net Wed Nov 7 13:11:14 2001 From: edmonds at robertedmonds.net (Robert Edmonds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:26:00AM -0800 References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107161114.A6557@robertedmonds.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:26:00AM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > But when I press the doodad that looks like a "next track" button > > it exits. Shit, how am I going to find the sign text from "They > > Live" without watching the whole damn movie? > > yeah, xine likes to crash. ogle is far more stable, and it > doesn't fall out of sync like xine does. I haven't tried newer xines, > but I am skeptical. mplayer, of course, 0wnz your silly little multithreaded GUI DVD players. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ -- Robert Edmonds edmonds@robertedmonds.net From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 13:13:35 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > The following command: > > xine -pq dvdnav:///dev/dvd:1.10 > > will get you to the famous "I have come here to chew bubblegum and > kick ass" scene. I can't do that. I get xine: cannot find input plugin for this MRL -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 13:16:05 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107161114.A6557@robertedmonds.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107161114.A6557@robertedmonds.net> Message-ID: <20011107131605.H19778@zork.net> begin Robert Edmonds quotation: > mplayer, of course, 0wnz your silly little multithreaded GUI DVD > players. > > http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ On a press conference, A'rpi said the big truth: he hates GPL! Well this sounds very rude from him, but let everyone know what happened! The poor fella tried to compile a flash disk driver into the kernel to boot from it and... it wouldn't! The little geezer is non-GPL so he can't be compiled into the kernel, which is in fact GPL! Let me quote him: GPL SUX - Utalom!!! - kibaszott szemet! - which I now don't want to translate to english. Now he has rm -rf /*GPL* in crontab. Order MPlayer - Boycott GPL! T-shirts NOW! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Wed Nov 7 13:26:32 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... Message-ID: <20011108082632.A12150@anu.edu.au> Federal Agents Without Subpoenas Asking Firms for Records http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50226-2001Nov6.html Is this going to spread west? -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Nov 7 13:30:07 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> References: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:13:35PM -0800: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > The following command: > > > > xine -pq dvdnav:///dev/dvd:1.10 > > > > will get you to the famous "I have come here to chew bubblegum and > > kick ass" scene. > > I can't do that. I get > > xine: cannot find input plugin for this MRL You probably have the wrong DVD in the player, not "They Live." dmarti@zingiber:~$ dpkg -l xine-ui libdvdread2 libxine0 xine-dvdnav Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii xine-ui 0.9.4-1 the xine video player, user interface ii libdvdread2 0.9.1-5 Simple foundation for reading DVDs. ii libxine0 0.9.4-1 the xine video player library, binary files ii xine-dvdnav 0.9.3.beta-1 xine DVD plugin that is capable of -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From pawal at blipp.com Wed Nov 7 13:32:09 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107131605.H19778@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Robert Edmonds quotation: > > mplayer, of course, 0wnz your silly little multithreaded GUI DVD > > players. > > > > http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ > > On a press conference, A'rpi said the big truth: he hates GPL! Well > this sounds very rude from him, but let everyone know what happened! > The poor fella tried to compile a flash disk driver into the kernel to > boot from it and... it wouldn't! The little geezer is non-GPL so he > can't be compiled into the kernel, which is in fact GPL! Let me quote > him: > GPL SUX - Utalom!!! - kibaszott szemet! - which I now don't want to > translate to english. Now he has rm -rf /*GPL* in crontab. > Order MPlayer - Boycott GPL! T-shirts NOW! He hates gcc2.96 for no reason at all as well. It's great software anyway, but it doesn't do dvdnav-stuff, does it? -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From neale at woozle.org Wed Nov 7 13:39:45 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... In-Reply-To: <20011108082632.A12150@anu.edu.au> References: <20011108082632.A12150@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: So then, Edward C Lang is all like: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50226-2001Nov6.html "Companies should let their employees know they should report the request to the point person and let that person deal with the requests. You don't want to advise employees not to speak. However, they cannot be required to speak with the FBI." That almost makes it sounds like the FBI is going to raid banks and pressure employees into blurting out information. You remember how everyone was going around when the WTC got hit and saying, "it's like a movie". Apparently that was just the opening scene. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 13:47:05 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> References: <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > You probably have the wrong DVD in the player, not "They Live." Ha. Cute. I tried some valid indices. > dmarti@zingiber:~$ dpkg -l xine-ui libdvdread2 libxine0 xine-dvdnav > > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) > ||/ Name Version Description > +++-==============-==============-============================================ > ii xine-ui 0.9.4-1 the xine video player, user interface > ii libdvdread2 0.9.1-5 Simple foundation for reading DVDs. > ii libxine0 0.9.4-1 the xine video player library, binary files > ii xine-dvdnav 0.9.3.beta-1 xine DVD plugin that is capable of Okay, I'll go with unstable for a bit. But how do you get to the menus? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 13:49:52 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: References: <20011107131605.H19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107134952.J19778@zork.net> begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > He hates gcc2.96 for no reason at all as well. It's great software > anyway, but it doesn't do dvdnav-stuff, does it? It seems to have the DJB memorial unlicense. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From asf at void.at Wed Nov 7 13:35:36 2001 From: asf at void.at (Andreas Fuchs) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TV Land is a weird place... References: <20011106130351.A20687@zgp.org> <20011106144337.D16193@zork.net> <20011106170434.R3513@tastytronic.net> <20011106161821.A22995@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: On 2001-11-06, mike dillon wrote: > So, apparently, his existence isn't _entirely_ super-comical. He does > have one hot mama for a wife; however, their children are beings of a > most frightful nature: > > http://www.davidhasselhoff.tv/images/large/familyallfour(big).jpg Oh my goddess. This is a photo taken from an austrian kid's tv show. Don't ask, -- Andreas Fuchs, , asf@jabber.at, antifuchs From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 14:04:18 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: [Pigdog] Clinical ecstasy tests APPROVED] Message-ID: <20011107140418.L19778@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/11/07/ecstasy.test.ap/index.html --- El Destino Pigdog Clinical Drug Trials correspondent http://www.pigdog.org/categories/Bush_Family_Hi_Jinx.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From zen at zork.net Wed Nov 7 14:13:06 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Junk mail. Message-ID: <20011107141306.A1220@zork.net> http://www.penny-arcade.com/junkmail.php3 One of many great reviews. It's about time Krahulik started doing this kind of thing. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 14:34:43 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] google image searches are fun Message-ID: <20011107143443.N19778@zork.net> http://crackmonkey.co.uk -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 14:59:15 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108095915.A13316@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: >> (you also might want libdvdread2 and >> friends, but you'll have to compile libcss yourself -- i might get >> around to packaging it sometime soon if i get the shits enough with >> it) > > Anyway, the packages you list don't have css, and they >uninstall my existing xine-dvd-css. You obviously missed the bits where I said "compile libcss yourself" and "conflicts with xine-dvd-css". -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg I hope you learn speaking English proper I hope speak I me you. -- G. Branden Robinson, debian-devel mailing list From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 15:00:41 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:05 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: >> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:44:55AM -0800: >> > Anyway, the packages you list don't have css, and they >> > uninstall my existing xine-dvd-css. I'll stick with ogle for a >> > while until more options show up in apt repositories. >> >> They work if you install libdvdcss, which is tiny and total cake to >> install: http://www.videolan.org/libdvdcss/ > > And I have it installed, but do these packages automatically >know to look in /usr/local/lib for it? If your ld.so.conf does, yes. >> But when I press the doodad that looks like a "next track" button >> it exits. Shit, how am I going to find the sign text from "They >> Live" without watching the whole damn movie? > > yeah, xine likes to crash. ogle is far more stable, and it >doesn't fall out of sync like xine does. I haven't tried newer xines, >but I am skeptical. Hey, massive X crashes are all part of the fun. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg A mouse is a device used to focus xterms. From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 15:05:49 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> References: <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: >> You probably have the wrong DVD in the player, not "They Live." > > Ha. Cute. I tried some valid indices. > >> dmarti@zingiber:~$ dpkg -l xine-ui libdvdread2 libxine0 xine-dvdnav >> >> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed >> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) >> ||/ Name Version Description >> +++-==============-==============-============================================ >> ii xine-ui 0.9.4-1 the xine video player, user interface >> ii libdvdread2 0.9.1-5 Simple foundation for reading DVDs. >> ii libxine0 0.9.4-1 the xine video player library, binary files >> ii xine-dvdnav 0.9.3.beta-1 xine DVD plugin that is capable of > > Okay, I'll go with unstable for a bit. But how do you get to >the menus? They "just happen". If you have dvdnav installed, click on the "NAV" button on the panel (if it's not there, hit 'g'). Then hit play, and the menus should appear. As for tracking unstable, put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "testing"; and some unstable lines into your sources list, and you can then pull down unstable packages by appending /unstable to the package name, viz: apt-get install libdvdread2/unstable -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on your monitor, or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on a web site, and you must change them very often. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 15:07:36 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > > And I have it installed, but do these packages automatically > >know to look in /usr/local/lib for it? > > If your ld.so.conf does, yes. We covered this already with Don, how a package linked against debian dependencies could possibly think to look at my user-supplied libs. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 15:15:00 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Amusing slogan at Virgin Megastore (downtown) In-Reply-To: <87u1w6hanw.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011106010009.R6256@zork.net> <20011107002709.Q14417@perkypants.org> <20011107012432.A24493@masher.homeip.net> <20011107013444.U14417@perkypants.org> <6uwv143qwn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87u1w6hanw.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011108101500.G31676@perkypants.org> > I got it, though, because I'm all cosmopolitan and shit. Watch out, that's Rick Moan's turf. - Jeff -- "To do: Start up a a magazine dedicated to picky grammar. Call it 'Whom Weekly'." - WzDD From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 15:16:58 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: >> > And I have it installed, but do these packages automatically >> >know to look in /usr/local/lib for it? >> >> If your ld.so.conf does, yes. > > We covered this already with Don, how a package linked against >debian dependencies could possibly think to look at my user-supplied >libs. *shrug* It Works For Me(tm). You probably just have the sux0r sk1llz. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg "One good turn gets most of the blankets." - Anon. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 15:22:16 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > *shrug* It Works For Me(tm). You probably just have the sux0r sk1llz. It worked once I did it, but I didn't think it would work. Apt is actually designed to prevent this sort of thing in general. As for the menus, they almost work right. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 15:08:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > As for tracking unstable, put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf: > > APT::Default-Release "testing"; Duh. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 15:27:50 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> References: <20011107103715.D13060@zgp.org> <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: >> As for tracking unstable, put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf: >> >> APT::Default-Release "testing"; > > Duh. Well shit, you've misread at least one of my posts, fucked up with other things, it seemed that you didn't even know about this one. So excuse me trying to help you. Next time, you can stick your shitball region 1 DVDs up your fat merkian arse. Oh, and get the fuck off my distro. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Um, it's like, uh ... did anyone see the movie `Tron'? -- Homer Simpson, Treehouse Of Horror VI From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 15:32:25 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011107104114.H12310@zork.net> <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > Well shit, you've misread at least one of my posts, fucked up with > other things, it seemed that you didn't even know about this one. > So excuse me trying to help you. You misunderstood my questions, failed to grasp exactly what it was I was doing, and didn't listen to any of my explanations. Then you give me some piddly little apt tutorial expecting me to vomit honey on you out of gratitude. > Oh, and get the fuck off my distro. get the fuck off MY distro! > Um, it's like, uh ... did anyone see the movie `Tron'? -- Homer > Simpson, Treehouse Of Horror VI yeah, man. I watched it with OGLE. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 15:56:02 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> > It worked once I did it, but I didn't think it would work. > Apt is actually designed to prevent this sort of thing in general. If ld.so.conf has /usr/local/lib listed before /usr/lib (or only, /usr/lib will be grokked automagically), then it will load libraries there first. I generally put /usr/local/lib in so that all of my compiled stuff works noice independently of the debian packaged stuff. - Jeff -- "Orphaned farm-boy hero helps save world against bad-guys, begins a journey of self-discovery, and makes interesting friends. Passable." - Andrew Bennetts on Star Wars From edmonds at robertedmonds.net Wed Nov 7 16:17:25 2001 From: edmonds at robertedmonds.net (Robert Edmonds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:32:25PM -0800 References: <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:32:25PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > yeah, man. I watched it with OGLE. i watched it with mplayer. -- Robert Edmonds edmonds@robertedmonds.net From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 16:30:01 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> References: <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> Message-ID: <20011107163001.S19778@zork.net> begin Robert Edmonds quotation: > i watched it with mplayer. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/info.html > License > > MPlayer is basicly GPL, but contains some non-GPL code which not > allowed to be distributed in binary form, and also contains the > opendivx library which has special license. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 16:32:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > If ld.so.conf has /usr/local/lib listed before /usr/lib (or only, > /usr/lib will be grokked automagically), then it will load libraries > there first. In fact, libdvdread does a magical hunt-and-dlopen() that scours your system for decryption code. ld.so.conf is merely advisory. > I generally put /usr/local/lib in so that all of my compiled stuff > works noice independently of the debian packaged stuff. And I happend to have it last, so that essential debian security updates won't leave me behind, and so when I install 2.0.0 of something that's 1.3.9 in debian, I'll be able to track it properly once the 2 series reaches testing. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 7 16:31:28 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> References: <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> Message-ID: <20011108113128.A9559@masher.homeip.net> > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:32:25PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > > yeah, man. I watched it with OGLE. > > > i watched it with mplayer. > I watched it with mplayer, and it wouldn't scale properly in full-screen mode using Xv. I watched it in ogle, and it cored. I watched it in xine, and occasionally the video stream would lock, or attempting to seek would randomly jump around the stream. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com Open Source Software: Free as in Free Speech, not Free Beer From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 16:35:24 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108113128.A9559@masher.homeip.net> References: <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> <20011108113128.A9559@masher.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20011107163524.U19778@zork.net> begin Jan Schmidt quotation: > I watched it with mplayer, and it wouldn't scale properly in > full-screen mode using Xv. I watched it in ogle, and it cored. I > watched it in xine, and occasionally the video stream would lock, or > attempting to seek would randomly jump around the stream. So you have the same problems I do, then. Ogle doesn't core so long as your X event queue doesn't get too full, I've found. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 16:41:51 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107163001.S19778@zork.net> References: <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> <20011107163001.S19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108114151.L31676@perkypants.org> > http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/info.html > > License > > > > MPlayer is basicly GPL, but contains some non-GPL code which not > > allowed to be distributed in binary form, and also contains the > > opendivx library which has special license. The horror! This 'basicly GPL' is not OSI Approved(tm)! - Jeff -- "What inspired you to become a bus driver?" "Linus Torvalds." From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 16:44:18 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> References: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> > In fact, libdvdread does a magical hunt-and-dlopen() that scours your > system for decryption code. ld.so.conf is merely advisory. Oh. Then you are up shit creek without a compiler. > And I happend to have it last, so that essential debian security updates > won't leave me behind, and so when I install 2.0.0 of something that's > 1.3.9 in debian, I'll be able to track it properly once the 2 series > reaches testing. Haw haw. As if 2.0.0 will get into testing. IT'S FROZEN! Like hell on a cold day, we may actually see a release this year. Maybe. - Jeff -- "When's the last time you heard of the police having to intervene at an antiquarian book riot?" - Raph Levien From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Nov 7 17:24:23 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> References: <20011107110909.I13060@zgp.org> <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: >> Well shit, you've misread at least one of my posts, fucked up with >> other things, it seemed that you didn't even know about this one. >> So excuse me trying to help you. > > You misunderstood my questions, failed to grasp exactly what >it was I was doing, and didn't listen to any of my explanations. Then >you give me some piddly little apt tutorial expecting me to vomit >honey on you out of gratitude. You can't just take what I just said and turn it around to make you look good. >> Oh, and get the fuck off my distro. > > get the fuck off MY distro! I was there first! >> Um, it's like, uh ... did anyone see the movie `Tron'? -- Homer >> Simpson, Treehouse Of Horror VI > > yeah, man. I watched it with OGLE. Good for you--but just remember, the sturgeon-general warns that excessive ogling will turn your dick orange. Is there a crackmonkey version of Godwins Law, i.e. GTFOML and orange dicks? -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 17:59:18 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011107122015.E19778@zork.net> <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org> > Is there a crackmonkey version of Godwins Law, i.e. GTFOML and orange > dicks? No, crackmonkey doesn't treat its subscribers like Hitler treated the Jews. MY SECOND UNCLE WAS IN THE CAMPS, SONNY! - Jeff -- "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 17:59:30 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108114151.L31676@perkypants.org> References: <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011107191725.A8255@robertedmonds.net> <20011107163001.S19778@zork.net> <20011108114151.L31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011107175930.V19778@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > > http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/info.html > > > License > > > > > > MPlayer is basicly GPL, but contains some non-GPL code which not > > > allowed to be distributed in binary form, and also contains the > > > opendivx library which has special license. > > The horror! This 'basicly GPL' is not OSI Approved(tm)! Wrong, numbnuts, it's an illegal-to-distribute combination of GPL and proprietary ish. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From joey at kitenet.net Wed Nov 7 18:02:38 2001 From: joey at kitenet.net (Joey Hess) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> Monkey Master wrote: > Apt is actually designed to prevent this sort of thing in general. That's interesting. I don't remember reading anything about forcing use of rpath in the deity design document. -- see shy jo From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 18:04:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> References: <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011107180412.W19778@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > > > In fact, libdvdread does a magical hunt-and-dlopen() that scours > > your system for decryption code. ld.so.conf is merely advisory. > > Oh. Then you are up shit creek without a compiler. No. You simply put it in there and it'll find it. I was just unsure as to whether or not it was libdvd that was teh key link point or libdvdcss. Works a charm. > Haw haw. As if 2.0.0 will get into testing. IT'S FROZEN! Like hell > on a cold day, we may actually see a release this year. > > Maybe. I tell you what: you go suck a cock, and I'll watch another movie with my perfectly functional ogle install. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 18:04:38 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> Message-ID: <20011107180438.X19778@zork.net> begin Joey Hess quotation: > Monkey Master wrote: > > Apt is actually designed to prevent this sort of thing in general. > > That's interesting. I don't remember reading anything about forcing > use of rpath in the deity design document. Joey, is your dick orange? Go check. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 18:15:38 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107180412.W19778@zork.net> References: <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> <20011107180412.W19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108131538.U31676@perkypants.org> > I tell you what: you go suck a cock, and I'll watch another movie with my > perfectly functional ogle install. Deal! Your place or mine, monkeyboy? I've got the lips, but I ain't got the DVD. - Jeff -- "Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes." - Monkey Master, Crackmonkey From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 18:12:01 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108131538.U31676@perkypants.org> References: <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> <20011107180412.W19778@zork.net> <20011108131538.U31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011107181201.A18043@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > Your place or mine, monkeyboy? I've got the lips, but I ain't got > the DVD. [...] > "Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and > cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes." - Monkey > Master, Crackmonkey Your gratuitous use of my own quotations is blowjob enough, snookums. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 18:13:15 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burnallgifs was *such* a success Message-ID: <20011107181315.B18043@zork.net> Hooray for the burnallgifs meme! Don, I take back everything bad I ever said about the project. ----- Forwarded message from Bob Friesenhahn ----- On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Ron Schei wrote: > Newbie question- sorry! > I'm using PerlMagick to convert jpgs to gifs viewable by imode > handsets. My 4k jpgs are being output as 18.2k gifs, which is too > large for the phones to handle. Any suggestions on how to reduce > gif file size would be most appre There are three common ways to help produce small GIF files: 1) Use the patented LZW compression algorithm (disabled by default in ImageMagick). To enable this you would send Unisys a large check, and then enable LZW when compiling ImageMagick from sources. 2) Reduce the number of colors in the image (e.g. '-colors 16'). 3) Don't dither the image when reducing the colors since this hinders compressoin. or see if you can use another format instead. If the handset has a fixed color map, you might look at using the -map option to map the image colors to the colors directly supported by the handset. Bob ====================================== Bob Friesenhahn bfriesen@simple.dallas.tx.us http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen *********************************************************************** To remove yourself from this mailing list, send mail to: majordomo@imagemagick.org Include the following command in the body of your message: unsubscribe magick-user *********************************************************************** ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 18:21:36 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107181201.A18043@zork.net> References: <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> <20011107180412.W19778@zork.net> <20011108131538.U31676@perkypants.org> <20011107181201.A18043@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108132136.V31676@perkypants.org> > Your gratuitous use of my own quotations is blowjob enough, snookums. *blush* fortune(1) wants to share sweet love! Bless the parser! - Jeff -- What did the sausage say to the tomato at breakfast? "There's not mushroom this morning, is there?" From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 6 09:46:16 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> Message-ID: <87vggneqs7.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "JH" == Joey Hess writes: MM> Apt is actually designed to prevent this sort of thing in MM> general. JH> That's interesting. I don't remember reading anything about JH> forcing use of rpath in the deity design document. Ha! What a fool that Monkey Master is! We all know that apt was ACTUALLY designed to see exactly how high a teetering tower of recursive layers of GUIs on top of dispatching apps on top of shells on top of Perl libraries could be implemented just to unpack a gzipped tar file and run a couple of enclosed shell scripts with predetermined names. The answer, by the way, is: A LOT! An unexpected side effect of the project has turned out to be that every young Debian cowboy with a yeoman's knowledge of ncurses and a megalomaniac personality has briefly put his hand to making a half-baked, doughy "replacement for dselect" before quitting the Project and leaving the golem-like creation to bit-rot on the shelf of destiny. What a boon that's been! Without the apt roach motel there, man, those dumb egotistical bastards might actually get themselves into trouble. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From joey at kitenet.net Wed Nov 7 18:46:54 2001 From: joey at kitenet.net (Joey Hess) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107180438.X19778@zork.net> References: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> <20011107180438.X19778@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107214654.B4629@kitenet.net> Monkey Master wrote: > Joey, is your dick orange? > > Go check. I've never seen Tron, so I doubt it. -- see shy jo From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 18:46:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107214654.B4629@kitenet.net> References: <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> <20011107180438.X19778@zork.net> <20011107214654.B4629@kitenet.net> Message-ID: <20011107184612.A18644@zork.net> begin Joey Hess quotation: > Monkey Master wrote: > > Joey, is your dick orange? > > > > Go check. > > I've never seen Tron, so I doubt it. Good boy. Here, have a chee-to. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 18:52:16 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <87vggneqs7.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> <87vggneqs7.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011108135216.W31676@perkypants.org> > An unexpected side effect of the project has turned out to be that every > young Debian cowboy with a yeoman's knowledge of ncurses and a > megalomaniac personality has briefly put his hand to making a half-baked, > doughy "replacement for dselect" before quitting the Project and leaving > the golem-like creation to bit-rot on the shelf of destiny. What a boon > that's been! Without the apt roach motel there, man, those dumb > egotistical bastards might actually get themselves into trouble. New Debian mission statement, please. - Jeff -- Is Murphy's Law constitutional? From sharkey at zoic.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:05 2001 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org>; from jdub@perkypants.org on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 12:59:18PM +1100 References: <20011107125928.A17606@zgp.org> <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011108135605.A21854@dwerryhouse.com.au> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 12:59:18PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > No, crackmonkey doesn't treat its subscribers like Hitler treated the Jews. > MY SECOND UNCLE WAS IN THE CAMPS, SONNY! Us or Them, poppy? -----sharks From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 7 19:09:55 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108135605.A21854@dwerryhouse.com.au> References: <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org> <20011108135605.A21854@dwerryhouse.com.au> Message-ID: <20011108140955.X31676@perkypants.org> > > No, crackmonkey doesn't treat its subscribers like Hitler treated the Jews. > > MY SECOND UNCLE WAS IN THE CAMPS, SONNY! > > Us or Them, poppy? Them. He was Irish. - Jeff -- If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 7 19:13:31 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108140955.X31676@perkypants.org> References: <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org> <20011108135605.A21854@dwerryhouse.com.au> <20011108140955.X31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011107191331.B18644@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > > > > MY SECOND UNCLE WAS IN THE CAMPS, SONNY! > > > > Us or Them, poppy? > > Them. He was Irish. Goddamn Irish day-camps. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From joey at kitenet.net Wed Nov 7 20:09:15 2001 From: joey at kitenet.net (Joey Hess) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107184612.A18644@zork.net> References: <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011107210237.A4629@kitenet.net> <20011107180438.X19778@zork.net> <20011107214654.B4629@kitenet.net> <20011107184612.A18644@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107230915.B8585@kitenet.net> Monkey Master wrote: > begin Joey Hess quotation: > > Monkey Master wrote: > > > Joey, is your dick orange? > > > > > > Go check. > > > > I've never seen Tron, so I doubt it. > > Good boy. Here, have a chee-to. I refuse to fall for your straight lines. -- see shy jo From carton at Ivy.NET Wed Nov 7 21:15:01 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:44:18 +1100") References: <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> <20011108100041.B13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150736.O19778@zork.net> <20011108101658.E13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107152216.Q19778@zork.net> <20011108105602.J31676@perkypants.org> <20011107163206.T19778@zork.net> <20011108114418.M31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "pants" == Jeff Waugh writes: pants> Haw haw. As if 2.0.0 will get into testing. IT'S FROZEN! Like pants> hell on a cold day, we may actually see a release this year. not if they wait until it's stable. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From edmonds at robertedmonds.net Wed Nov 7 13:11:14 2001 From: edmonds at robertedmonds.net (Robert Edmonds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:26:00AM -0800 References: <20011107012937.D12310@zork.net> <20011108012413.A11430@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107094455.F12310@zork.net> <20011107101719.C13060@zgp.org> <20011107102600.G12310@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011107161114.A6557@robertedmonds.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:26:00AM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > But when I press the doodad that looks like a "next track" button > > it exits. Shit, how am I going to find the sign text from "They > > Live" without watching the whole damn movie? > > yeah, xine likes to crash. ogle is far more stable, and it > doesn't fall out of sync like xine does. I haven't tried newer xines, > but I am skeptical. mplayer, of course, 0wnz your silly little multithreaded GUI DVD players. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ -- Robert Edmonds edmonds@robertedmonds.net From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 7 23:51:19 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 7 November 2001] Message-ID: <20011107235119.A4782@zork.net> Heh, the damn VM works, man. Don't fuck with progress. ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily THE CURE FOR THE COMMON CODE "I think Linus shouldn't have switched VM code in a stable release, but having done so, there wasn't any point undoing it." Linux developer Alan Cox, on resolving an obscure programming dispute with Linus Torvalds, eWeek, 6 November 2001 http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2822789,00.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Thu Nov 8 00:44:47 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... In-Reply-To: (Neale Pickett's message of "07 Nov 2001 13:39:45 -0800") References: <20011108082632.A12150@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <6u3d3paby8.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Neale Pickett quotation: > So then, Edward C Lang is all like: >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50226-2001Nov6.html > > "Companies should let their employees know they should report the > request to the point person and let that person deal with the > requests. You don't want to advise employees not to speak. However, > they cannot be required to speak with the FBI." > > That almost makes it sounds like the FBI is going to raid banks and > pressure employees into blurting out information. You remember how > everyone was going around when the WTC got hit and saying, "it's > like a movie". Apparently that was just the opening scene. But this movie doesn't look like it's going to have a good part. -- "What good is respect without the moolah to back it up? Everywhere I go I see teachers driving Ferraris, research scientists drinking champagne. I tried to drink a Coke on the bus, and they took away my pass!" -- Emad El-Haraty From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Nov 8 05:36:39 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] real men use realdolls Message-ID: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/11/7/0514/37226 "Discussing this one day with my friend James, he suggested I visit Realdoll.com. I think he was joking, but I am grateful to him, for he initiated a series of incredible adventures with Realdolls." er. uhm. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Nov 8 06:56:33 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net>; from schoen@loyalty.org on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 14:32:04 -0500 References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108095633.C23816@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <> Did you see that flying airport the other day crash into the Sears Tower. Obviously airports are more dangersous than Airplanes, that's why the US military bombs airports first. Ruben -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net 1-718-382-5752 From neale at woozle.org Thu Nov 8 08:19:17 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... In-Reply-To: <20011108082632.A12150@anu.edu.au> References: <20011108082632.A12150@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: So then, Edward C Lang is all like: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50226-2001Nov6.html > Is this going to spread west? Wow, and then, as if in answer to his question, the Seattle Times runs this on the front page this morning: Feds raid Seattle money exchange, fearing terror link http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134363922_raid08m0.html From neale at woozle.org Thu Nov 8 08:34:52 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [sten@narnia.net: [LUNI-D] PATRIOT act in effect] In-Reply-To: <20011108095633.C23816@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011105132657.J29213@tastytronic.net> <20011105113204.M2342@zork.net> <20011108095633.C23816@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: So then, Ruben Safir is all like: > < than airplanes.>> > Did you see that flying airport the other day crash into the Sears Tower. I *did* see that footage being played over and over and over on Fox News, which was playing above the scrolling toll-free Scientology brain-cleansing hotline (1-800-GET-XENU). I tried calling, but the phone lines were down. Damned flying airports! Then, this morning, I noticed that my dick had turned orange. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 6 21:58:51 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <20011108140955.X31676@perkypants.org> References: <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org> <20011108135605.A21854@dwerryhouse.com.au> <20011108140955.X31676@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <87elnbceas.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "JW" == Jeff Waugh writes: JW> If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is JW> self-adhesive plate gold. You know, Ruby has BETTER OBJECT ORIENTATION than Python! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 09:06:45 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: Zendo Terminology] Message-ID: <20011108090645.B4782@zork.net> HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ----- Forwarded message from "Atwood, R C" ----- X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) I always get a red flag from Microsoft Outlook which says Text Blocked - (insert random nonsense) I sent him an off list request as to whether he was setting the X-Flag header item just for fun, or if he was sending some wierd virus-infested attatchment or somethign else that triggers the College security system. That was a week or so ago, and although he has posted several times since then he has not replied, or at least I haven't received the reply (maybe it got blocked?) The random nonsense looks like something someone put in to be clever (latinish phrases etc) Perhaps this flag is triggering your Office 2000 to quarantine the email? ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Thu Nov 8 09:06:57 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <87elnbceas.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011107131335.G19778@zork.net> <20011107133007.C17918@zgp.org> <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org> <20011108135605.A21854@dwerryhouse.com.au> <20011108140955.X31676@perkypants.org> <87elnbceas.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: So then, Bad is all like: > You know, Ruby has BETTER OBJECT ORIENTATION than Python! Which way are they oriented? From leklund at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 8 09:17:47 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] real men use realdolls In-Reply-To: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> References: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <20011108121746.B2380@tastytronic.net> Quoting Peter Lowe: > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/11/7/0514/37226 > er. uhm. YHBT. YHL. HAND. GTFOML. -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- GUILTIED LANGUAGE FOR A VIOLENT WORLD! +++ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 09:20:07 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] real men use realdolls In-Reply-To: <20011108121746.B2380@tastytronic.net> References: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> <20011108121746.B2380@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011108092007.D4782@zork.net> begin Lukas Eklund quotation: > Quoting Peter Lowe: > > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/11/7/0514/37226 > > er. uhm. > > YHBT. YHL. HAND. > > GTFOML. It's pretty depressing that people on this list have been trolled by adequacy EVEN AFTER we had Craig McPherson on this list AND an official Rick Moen Skeptical Debunking of their sincerity. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 8 09:34:18 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] real men use realdolls In-Reply-To: <20011108092007.D4782@zork.net> References: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> <20011108121746.B2380@tastytronic.net> <20011108092007.D4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108113418.C6318@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > an official Rick Moen Skeptical Debunking of their sincerity. Henceforth, RMSD. I'm RMSD certified! pedro From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 8 09:39:10 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] real men use realdolls In-Reply-To: <20011108113418.C6318@tastytronic.net> References: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> <20011108121746.B2380@tastytronic.net> <20011108092007.D4782@zork.net> <20011108113418.C6318@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011109043910.A13747@masher.homeip.net> > Quoting Monkey Master: > > an official Rick Moen Skeptical Debunking of their sincerity. > > Henceforth, RMSD. > > I'm RMSD certified! > Hmm. I thought that was the Rick Moen Standard Disruptor "X-fnord: +++ath" J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com ENOSIG From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 10:09:47 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The empire expands! Message-ID: <20011108100947.E4782@zork.net> http://www.fsfeurope.org/ -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 8 10:47:13 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... In-Reply-To: <6u3d3paby8.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > But this movie doesn't look like it's going to have a good part. oh sure it does. When the fireman find the flag and they mount it up at an angle and all pose for photo ops and then during the World Series, they have firemen replicate this amazing feet, along with some soldiers pushing up another flag on Iwo Jima except its really second base and then everyone gets all huggy huggy and then chester the cheetah comes out and throws the first pitch and then the catcher's dick turns orange. -- "and then Picard says 'engage' and we all play baseball" -- Ben Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 10:50:30 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... In-Reply-To: References: <6u3d3paby8.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108105030.F4782@zork.net> begin Sean Moffitt quotation: > oh sure it does. When the fireman find the flag and they mount it > up at an angle and all pose for photo ops and then during the World > Series, they have firemen replicate this amazing feet, along with > some soldiers pushing up another flag on Iwo Jima except its really > second base and then everyone gets all huggy huggy and then chester > the cheetah comes out and throws the first pitch and then the > catcher's dick turns orange. > > -- "and then Picard says 'engage' and we all play baseball" -- Ben > Franklin It was the BEST CHRISTMAS EVER! The end. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 10:51:49 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] Message-ID: <20011108105149.G4782@zork.net> Awww. I hurt his poo wittoo feeeeewings! ----- Forwarded message from Robert Bryan ----- It's not his client. Nick has added these headers by hand, specifically to cause problems for others who have done nothing but prefer a different mail client than he does. "Jerk" is exactly the right word, barring profanity. -Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Frohlich [mailto:dfrohlich@cohesia.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:52 AM > To: 'icehouse@wunderland.com' > Subject: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology) > > > "jerk" may be an overstatement, but the behavior does seem a bit > antisocial. > Apparently Nick's mail client isn't playing nice with others. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Bryan [mailto:rbryan@extendthereach.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:22 PM > To: 'icehouse@wunderland.com' > Subject: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology) > > > X-headers may be optional, but you have opted for them, and in ways > specifically designed to cause people problems. Thus, we > might condider > switching software, or you might consider not bieng a jerk. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nick Moffitt [mailto:nick@zork.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:09 AM > > To: icehouse@wunderland.com > > Subject: Re: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology) > > > > > > begin Ben Blank quotation: > > > So enlighten us, Nick; what gives? :) > > > > My messages are plain text, and include no attachments. My > > headers are all X-headers, which are completely optional and don't > > affect the delivery of the mail. If your mailer has trouble > > displaying my messages, you may consider switching software. > > > > -- > > INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING > > UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION > > > > 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! > > ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was posted to the Icehouse Discussion List. > > This list is hosted by Looney Labs - visit our online list robot at > > http://wunderland.com/fred3/icehouse to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was posted to the Icehouse Discussion List. > This list is hosted by Looney Labs - visit our online list robot at > http://wunderland.com/fred3/icehouse to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was posted to the Icehouse Discussion List. > This list is hosted by Looney Labs - visit our online list robot at > http://wunderland.com/fred3/icehouse to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was posted to the Icehouse Discussion List. This list is hosted by Looney Labs - visit our online list robot at http://wunderland.com/fred3/icehouse to subscribe or unsubscribe. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Nov 8 11:05:31 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108105149.G4782@zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in November Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... | Awww. I hurt his poo wittoo feeeeewings! | |----- Forwarded message from Robert Bryan ----- | | |It's not his client. Nick has added these headers by hand, |specifically to cause problems for others who have done nothing but |prefer a different mail client than he does. "Jerk" is exactly the |right word, barring profanity. | |-Rob ok i've read bits and pieces of this but can somone explain to me this header stuff? pine doesnt seem to have any problems with this... -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yassir Arafat From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 11:08:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108105149.G4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > ok i've read bits and pieces of this but can somone explain to me > this header stuff? pine doesnt seem to have any problems with > this... Man. I really ought to add pine to the list of verboten mailers. I think I'll color it orange in my mutt settings to signify that pine users have orange dicks. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Nov 8 11:10:21 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... In-Reply-To: <6u3d3paby8.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in November Sean Neakums assaulted keyboard and produced... |begin Neale Pickett quotation: | |> So then, Edward C Lang is all like: |>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50226-2001Nov6.html |> |> "Companies should let their employees know they should report the |> request to the point person and let that person deal with the |> requests. You don't want to advise employees not to speak. However, |> they cannot be required to speak with the FBI." isnt this a type of social engineering? sort of like what they arrested that kevin guy for? it's misleading and just not nice to take advantage of the PHB that way. -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yassir Arafat From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Nov 8 11:13:32 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in November Monkey Master assaulted keyboard and produced... |begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: |> ok i've read bits and pieces of this but can somone explain to me |> this header stuff? pine doesnt seem to have any problems with |> this... | | Man. I really ought to add pine to the list of verboten |mailers. I think I'll color it orange in my mutt settings to signify |that pine users have orange dicks. funny you should mention it. not only is my dick orange but so is my pine: http://sage.che.pitt.edu/~harrold/tmp/orange_pine.gif it's a gif because i know you like those sort of things. so what are you putting in the headers to mess up their mail client? -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yassir Arafat From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 11:16:18 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] fuel cells on long island Message-ID: <20011108111618.I4782@zork.net> http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/11/11072001/s_45474.asp -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 11:18:18 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] fuel cells on long island In-Reply-To: <20011108111618.I4782@zork.net> References: <20011108111618.I4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108111818.J4782@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/11/11072001/s_45474.asp THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER: http://www.eyeforfuelcells.com/ReportDisplay.asp?ReportID=916 -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 11:19:27 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > funny you should mention it. not only is my dick orange but so is my > pine: http://sage.che.pitt.edu/~harrold/tmp/orange_pine.gif > it's a gif because i know you like those sort of things. You wouldn't last a second on startrack-l > so what are you putting in the headers to mess up their mail client? READ THE GODDAMN HEADERS AND FIND OUT. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 11:31:12 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [snatcher@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] jerks !] Message-ID: <20011108113112.N4782@zork.net> Yeah, the old snatcher is showing through. ----- Forwarded message from RatSnatcher ----- On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:00:11AM -0500, faddahwolf@earthlink.net wrote: > > Original Message: > ----------------- > Wrom: UTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVW [....] > jake -- don't *you* realize i nearly killed myself *twice* today from > my knee-joints going to sleep while sitting cross-legged and then trying > to get up to do bows? plus my back is killing me from carrying the > damn compost/slop bucket out so many times -- these freakin' buddhists > produce more human waste than is imaginable! Fuck that amateur navel gazing. Knees knees knees. All you monks ever do is complain about your fucking knees. Why don't you try some real self-flagellation. Do you have any idea how introspective you get with the kind of deadly hangover I have? My psychic powers are so great right now that I could make the teeth fall out of you head just by glaring at you. I have an even WORSE hangover today, in fact. The slop in that bucket you're carying around can't even begin to compare to what my brain looks like, so don't tell me about slop! And what the F are you, the fucking janitor?! You should immolate yourself in protest, RIGHT THIS MINUTE! > how 'bout you get a chiropractor and a swedish stewardess-massuese up > here to rose city for pain, then i'll think about clueing you in to my > unstoppable new zen e-mail style? Oh yes, it's stoppable. I'll run your goddamn posts through a blender if I have to. I'll run your messages through a TRS-80. Don't push me! Don't you fucking making me resort to anything drastic. The center of my brain responsible for evil is very swollen today, and it could rupture very easily. Yes indeed. Jake -- .^....^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .) --Christopher Walken `{""}' ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 8 11:41:04 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108134103.D6318@tastytronic.net> Quoting harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu: > funny you should mention it. not only is my dick orange but so is my pine: > http://sage.che.pitt.edu/~harrold/tmp/orange_pine.gif > it's a gif because i know you like those sort of things. My mutt at home is orange, when I log in via my VT520. pedro From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 8 11:42:30 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > > so what are you putting in the headers to mess up their mail client? > > READ THE GODDAMN HEADERS AND FIND OUT. (press h to read full headers, assuming you've enabled it.) -- "pine r3wls" -- Ben Franklin From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 11:52:48 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] Message-ID: <20011108115248.O4782@zork.net> Awww, now he's playing all confused. ----- Forwarded message from Robert Bryan ----- Nick wrote: > begin Atwood, R C quotation: > > I didn't see an 'X' in front of 'Reply-by' > > It's still only an advisory header. > But why would you set it? or any of the X ones for that matter? And what is with the "+++ath"? What have users of old cheap modems ever done to you? I apologize for being insulting on-list, but honestly, I can't understand any motivation for these headers besides pure blind malice. If you have a reasonable motivation, I'd be quite interested to hear it. -Rob ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 12:09:18 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] home, home to a dome... Message-ID: <20011108120918.P4782@zork.net> http://www.bfi.org/ Join the buckminster fuller institute! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 7 03:24:25 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: Zendo Terminology] In-Reply-To: <20011108090645.B4782@zork.net> References: <20011108090645.B4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <87668mbz86.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: NM> HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW You know, Nick, someday some mouth-breather is going to report you for "distributing mail viruses" or some other such alarmist crap. What with the current state of computer crime laws, you'll get tortured, then tried as a terrorist, and then given the death penalty. And, no, I don't think I'm exaggerating. You're going to have to count on some judge or jury being smart enough to realize that there's a difference between say, adding random X-Headers and, say, the Melissa worm. Or, actually, that there's a difference between Outlook 2000 and the Internet. Or that there's a difference between putting a red flag in some nosepicker's mailbox and, say, launching 300,000 ICBMs willy-nilly around the globe. Are you confident enough in our nation's legal system, and the intelligence of the average Windows user, to make that bet? I'm not. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 12:55:36 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: Zendo Terminology] In-Reply-To: <87668mbz86.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011108090645.B4782@zork.net> <87668mbz86.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011108125536.Q4782@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > You know, Nick, someday some mouth-breather is going to report you for > "distributing mail viruses" or some other such alarmist crap. What > with the current state of computer crime laws, you'll get tortured, > then tried as a terrorist, and then given the death penalty. Yeah, well, I was already convicted without trial for being an Unmutual on the Number-Six list. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Nov 8 13:53:00 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] real men use realdolls In-Reply-To: <20011108113418.C6318@tastytronic.net>; from pedro@tastytronic.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 11:34:18AM -0600 References: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> <20011108121746.B2380@tastytronic.net> <20011108092007.D4782@zork.net> <20011108113418.C6318@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011108225300.A76904@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 08, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > I'm RMSD certified! s/RMSD// -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Nov 8 13:56:10 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] real men use realdolls In-Reply-To: <20011108225300.A76904@mini.instinct.org>; from pgl@mini.instinct.org on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:53:00PM +0100 References: <20011108143639.A75494@mini.instinct.org> <20011108121746.B2380@tastytronic.net> <20011108092007.D4782@zork.net> <20011108113418.C6318@tastytronic.net> <20011108225300.A76904@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <20011108225610.A76929@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 08, Peter Lowe wrote: > On Nov 08, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > > I'm RMSD certified! > > s/RMSD// tee hee -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From sharkey at zoic.org Thu Nov 8 14:45:13 2001 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108115248.O4782@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 11:52:48AM -0800 References: <20011108115248.O4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011109094513.C25630@dwerryhouse.com.au> Robert Bryan, or possibly Nick Moffit, or possibly me, wrote: > > I apologize for being insulting on-list, but honestly, I can't > understand any motivation for these headers besides pure blind malice. > If you have a reasonable motivation, I'd be quite interested to hear > it. Since when has pure blind malice not been a reasonable motivation? -----sharks From jaq at spacepants.org Thu Nov 8 14:53:03 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] More dvd software In-Reply-To: <87elnbceas.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011107134705.I19778@zork.net> <20011108100549.C13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107150806.P19778@zork.net> <20011108102750.G13316@willow.spacepants.org> <20011107153225.R19778@zork.net> <20011108122423.B13835@willow.spacepants.org> <20011108125918.T31676@perkypants.org> <20011108135605.A21854@dwerryhouse.com.au> <20011108140955.X31676@perkypants.org> <87elnbceas.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011109095303.A3077@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Mr. Bad wrote: >>>>>> "JW" == Jeff Waugh writes: > > JW> If Perl is gaffer, and Python is Magic Tape, then Ruby is > JW> self-adhesive plate gold. > >You know, Ruby has BETTER OBJECT ORIENTATION than Python! Which direction do they point? -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Nov 8 11:59:12 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Legal nicities aside... In-Reply-To: (Neale Pickett's message of "07 Nov 2001 13:39:45 -0800") References: <20011108082632.A12150@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: >>>>> "np" == Neale Pickett writes: np> "it's like a movie". Apparently that was just the opening np> scene. S.P.E.C.T.R.E. --- 7 words (Special Executive for Counterintelligence, Terrorism, Revenge, and Extortion) P.A.T.R.I.O.T. --- 7 words (Provide Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 7 06:51:51 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108115248.O4782@zork.net> References: <20011108115248.O4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <87adxymy60.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: NM> I apologize for being insulting on-list, but honestly, I can't NM> understand any motivation for these headers besides pure blind NM> malice. Ha! As if that wasn't an EXCELLENT and HIGHLY COMMON motivation! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 15:49:25 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <87adxymy60.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011108115248.O4782@zork.net> <87adxymy60.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011108154925.R4782@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > NM> I apologize for being insulting on-list, but honestly, I can't > NM> understand any motivation for these headers besides pure blind > NM> malice. > > Ha! As if that wasn't an EXCELLENT and HIGHLY COMMON motivation! As if I even said that. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 7 06:56:10 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: Zendo Terminology] In-Reply-To: <20011108125536.Q4782@zork.net> References: <20011108090645.B4782@zork.net> <87668mbz86.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011108125536.Q4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <874ro67hpx.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MM" == Monkey Master writes: MM> Yeah, well, I was already convicted without trial for MM> being an Unmutual on the Number-Six list. Your kosho is weak and womanly. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Nov 8 15:54:54 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:19:27 -0800") References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "mm" == Monkey Master writes: mm> READ THE GODDAMN HEADERS AND FIND OUT. mm> -- mm> INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION mm> 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! mm> ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) I can't because your fancyass Gnu's Not Unix Mail Man strips out any ``optional'' header it doesn't recognize, then adds back a bunch of spurious ``List-'' non-optional useless headers (which Gnus strips out). -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 15:57:23 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: Zendo Terminology] In-Reply-To: <874ro67hpx.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011108090645.B4782@zork.net> <87668mbz86.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011108125536.Q4782@zork.net> <874ro67hpx.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011108155723.S4782@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > >>>>> "MM" == Monkey Master writes: > > MM> Yeah, well, I was already convicted without trial for > MM> being an Unmutual on the Number-Six list. > > Your kosho is weak and womanly. You speak bravely from the other side of the country! You would not be so brash were you on a trampoline opposite me! I'd make sure your robe would be thoroughly soaked! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 8 15:57:56 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> begin Miles Nordin quotation: > mm> READ THE GODDAMN HEADERS AND FIND OUT. > > I can't because your fancyass Gnu's Not Unix Mail Man strips out any > ``optional'' header it doesn't recognize, then adds back a bunch of > spurious ``List-'' non-optional useless headers (which Gnus strips > out). Nope. Mailman does no such thing. Look at the goddamn headers. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 8 16:14:48 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011108161448.U4782@zork.net> Good job! Now see if you can _unsubscribe_! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- mincris@aol.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Thu Nov 8 16:21:22 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011109002122.I12086@ummagumma> * Miles Nordin (carton@Ivy.NET) wrote: > >>>>> "mm" == Monkey Master writes: > > mm> READ THE GODDAMN HEADERS AND FIND OUT. > > mm> -- > mm> INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION > > mm> 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! > mm> ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) > > I can't because your fancyass Gnu's Not Unix Mail Man strips out any > ``optional'' header it doesn't recognize, then adds back a bunch of > spurious ``List-'' non-optional useless headers (which Gnus strips > out). X-Message-Flag: Message text blocked: DRUGS/ALCOHOL It does? Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Nov 8 16:45:42 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] baboons Message-ID: >>>>> "splant" == Dr. Sadie Plant writes: splant> Texting has had a profound effect on the way teenagers use splant> their thumbs in some regions. Because they are used to splant> tapping out numbers and messages with their thumbs, they now splant> point and even ring doorbells with their thumb instead of splant> their forefinger. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 9 00:01:36 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 8 November 2001] Message-ID: <20011109000135.W4782@zork.net> Ooh, great. ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily IT'S MY CREATION -- IS IT REAL? "Really, the reason you see open source there at all is because we came in and said there should be a platform that's identical with millions and millions of machines." Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, on how he takes full credit for creating his own worst nightmare, Seattle Times, 8 November 2001 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134363780_microsoft08.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 9 00:24:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011109002434.X4782@zork.net> You didn't last long last time, so what the fuck makes you think you'll survive another day here? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- ben@mepotelco.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 9 00:27:20 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oedipal sheep Message-ID: <20011109002720.Y4782@zork.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_172000/172631.stm -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ben at mepotelco.net Fri Nov 9 01:16:24 2001 From: ben at mepotelco.net (Ben Brockert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <200111090316.AA2221277406@mail.mepotelco.net> >You didn't last long last time, so what the fuck makes you think >you'll survive another day here? I lasted long. Get the fuck off my list. Ben From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 9 01:44:20 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200111090316.AA2221277406@mail.mepotelco.net> ("Ben Brockert"'s message of "Fri, 9 Nov 2001 03:16:24 -0600") References: <200111090316.AA2221277406@mail.mepotelco.net> Message-ID: <6u8zdg6zyj.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Ben Brockert quotation: >> You didn't last long last time, so what the fuck makes you think >> you'll survive another day here? > > I lasted long. > > Get the fuck off my list. Get back in your box, proprietary-boy. You haven't got a leg to stand on. IMail, indeed. -- "APT is merely the vessel in which the true genius of the Debian Project, its Policy, is transmitted to you, the user." -- Eamon de Valera From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Nov 9 06:41:35 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Loser Message-ID: <1434468.1005316895780.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> I've been a real Crackmonkey loser recently. I'm sorry. I haven't even had the time to submit any Rick Moen jokes, so I guess you can tell that I've been busy. Anyway, here's a great story that you probably already know of: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,48225,00.html No - Rick Moen is not the tourist guy. Pretty amazing. Have a great weekend! Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ mailto:mikael@pawlo.com http://www.pawlo.com/ From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Nov 9 06:53:01 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:57:56 -0800") References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "mm" == Monkey Master writes: mm> From: Monkey Master mm> Subject: Re: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] mm> To: crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org mm> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:57:56 -0800 mm> Mail-Followup-To: crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org mm> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i mm> Message: 7 mm> Message-ID: <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> mm> References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> mm> Mime-Version: 1.0 mm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii mm> Content-Disposition: inline mm> In-Reply-To: mm> Reply-By: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:21:08 -0700 mm> Sender: crackmonkey-admin@crackmonkey.org mm> Precedence: bulk mm> List-Help: mm> List-Post: mm> List-Subscribe: , mm> List-Id: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks. mm> List-Unsubscribe: , mm> List-Archive: mm> Lines: 17 mm> Xref: balthasar.Ivy.NET mail.list.crackmonkey:770 okay, I see your Reply-By, but (1) there are no X- headers, and (2) there are no 'Received: by . . .' headers. You mentioned X- headers in your defense of your sabatoge as ``optional'', and there should be Received: headers showing the message's path to zork. Mailman is clearly expurgating this message. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 9 07:03:43 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011110020343.J31676@perkypants.org> > Mailman is clearly expurgating this message. Whilst everyone else receives the headers LOUD and CLEAR? I think not, baby puppy. - Jeff -- You know a French woman is faking it when she screams, "I would like the table near the window please!" From jaq at spacepants.org Fri Nov 9 06:59:06 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011110015906.H6201@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Miles Nordin wrote: >Mailman is clearly expurgating this message. On the other hand, you could be a raving lunatic, or just living in an alternate universe where where the laws of physics prevent X-headers from existing. What's the job market like over there? -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg HTML's a cheap whore. Treating her with respect is possible, and even preferable, because once upon a time she was a beautiful and virginal format, but you shouldn't expect too much of her at this point. -- Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes, Scary Devil Monastery From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 9 07:27:44 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "09 Nov 2001 07:53:01 -0700") References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <6usnbo55hr.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Miles Nordin quotation: > Mailman is clearly expurgating this message. No, it is not. My vote goes to your MTA or mail server (you use IMAP?), because I know that Gnus (stock Gnus, at least) does not drop headers like that. -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 7 20:31:02 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <87668lriih.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "MM" == Monkey Master writes: MM> READ THE GODDAMN HEADERS AND FIND OUT. MN> I can't because your fancyass Gnu's Not Unix Mail Man strips MN> out any ``optional'' header it doesn't recognize, [...] MM> Nope. Mailman does no such thing. Look at the goddamn MM> headers. Actually, if you're getting crackmonkey in digest form, it does indeed strip out headers. ~Mr. Bad - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE76gqFbZezvPSYodkRAnzVAJ49wSM5YUnR/ug/gWV+uzBjj8j+VwCbBcJg Mv4tBHfZHGgeIkZGJMnzu5Y= =5DpO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 7 20:34:28 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [r.atwood@ic.ac.uk: RE: ICE: Zendo Terminology] In-Reply-To: <20011108155723.S4782@zork.net> References: <20011108090645.B4782@zork.net> <87668mbz86.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011108125536.Q4782@zork.net> <874ro67hpx.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011108155723.S4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <871yj9ricr.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MM" == Monkey Master writes: Me> Your kosho is weak and womanly. MM> You speak bravely from the other side of the country! MM> You would not be so brash were you on a trampoline opposite MM> me! I'd make sure your robe would be thoroughly soaked! I CHALLENGE! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 7 20:36:44 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:07 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 8 November 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011109000135.W4782@zork.net> References: <20011109000135.W4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <87wv11q3oj.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: NM> Ooh, great. BG> "Really, the reason you see open source there at all is BG> because we came in and said there should be a platform that's BG> identical with millions and millions of machines." I'm not quite sure I even _follow_ the chop-logic here. Is his argument that the hardware commoditization of the IBM-PC platform is what made Open Source possible? ~Mr. Bad - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE76gvabZezvPSYodkRAmFcAJ9BJK3rXgjBj3xvKawGNJJ+Hc6NwgCcDTyR TLyy0cFgzwIquLlR21+9eZU= =dar3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 9 09:43:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] to concentrate an ingredient in a solution, add more water Message-ID: <20011109094334.A4782@zork.net> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991532 Bring back the homeopathy debate! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 9 09:50:10 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [ryan@csus.edu: Re: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] Message-ID: <20011109095010.B4782@zork.net> SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH PROVES MY BLIND MALICE ----- Forwarded message from Ryan Arndt ----- I belive that the line the Outlook users were up in arms about was something like "X-Fnord" something-or-another.. the "X-WebTV" line certainly appears it will have the result of rendering his emails unreadable on those systems. It has been brought to my attention that the various headers in his messages are known by him to have the results people are complaining about (I've confirmed the claim, and it's true). We can therefore say that he is knowingly attempting to disrupt some the email procedures of various users. Now, some people might feel this gives them the right to resort to mindless name-calling and temper tantrums. If this is the case, then so be it. I personally find it easier to just get over it and move on with life. -Ryan *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/9/2001 at 11:24 AM D. Jacob Wildstrom wrote: >|> P.S.: oh, and to say that Nick opted for some X-headers "in ways= >|> specifically designed to cause people problems" is going a bit far. >We do= >|> not know his intentions and it could have been intended as a harmless= >|> inside-joke. > > I went back after receiving this message and looked at one of >Nick's e-mails. I don't have it at hand right now, but there was a line >not unlike: > >>>> X-WebTV-Stationery: BGColor: black; TextColor: black; > >Which, although I am not extraordinarily wise in the way of X-headers, >I can only assume makes his message unreadable (black-on-black) to >webtv users. I presume this is the line to which people refer. > >+--First Church of Briantology--Order of the Holy Quaternion--+ >| A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into | >| theorems. -Paul Erdos | >+-------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Jake Wildstrom | >+-------------------------------------------------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was posted to the Icehouse Discussion List. This list is hosted by Looney Labs - visit our online list robot at http://wunderland.com/fred3/icehouse to subscribe or unsubscribe. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 09:58:35 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: ; from carton@Ivy.NET on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:53:01AM -0700 References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011109115835.A23348@magic.umn.edu> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:53:01AM -0700, Miles Nordin wrote: > okay, I see your Reply-By, but (1) there are no X- headers, and (2) > there are no 'Received: by . . .' headers. > > You mentioned X- headers in your defense of your sabatoge as > ``optional'', and there should be Received: headers showing the > message's path to zork. > > Mailman is clearly expurgating this message. Now that would be a good conclusion to come to. Except for the one flaw in your plan: Everybody else on this list is getting the headers. This can only mean one of two things: Either the headers are being stripped after they leave Mailman, or everybody on this list is lying. Of those two options, one of them is blatantly absurd, so obviously everyone on the Crackmonkey list is lying to you. So now, you must learn two things: How far does this conspiracy reach, and how can you stop it. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Nov 9 10:11:03 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [ryan@csus.edu: Re: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011109095010.B4782@zork.net> References: <20011109095010.B4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011109101102.A26995@prometheus.embody.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > ----- Forwarded message from Ryan Arndt ----- > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** HA!!!! "No, man, you're wrong. I guess it makes sense for the text you are replying to to be above the response or interspersed, but with my super-snazzy "**************** REPLY SEPARATOR ****************" no reasonable person could possibly be confused that what follows my message is the original message I'm replying to, in its entirety. If you need to know what I'm talking about, just look for the ultra-convenient "****************** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********************" and you'll KNOW that whatever I'm referring to may be found below it!" -md From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Nov 9 12:18:34 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> References: <20011108105149.G4782@zork.net> <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011109121834.B6412@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 11:08:06AM -0800: > Man. I really ought to add pine to the list of verboten > mailers. What's the magic X-header to fuck up pine? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Nov 9 12:32:57 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 8 November 2001] In-Reply-To: <87wv11q3oj.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011109000135.W4782@zork.net> <87wv11q3oj.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011109123257.D6412@zgp.org> begin Mr. Bad quotation of Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:36:44PM -0600: > I'm not quite sure I even _follow_ the chop-logic here. Is his > argument that the hardware commoditization of the IBM-PC platform is > what made Open Source possible? If IBM had done the sensible thing and picked GEOS on 6502, everyone would be able to do their word processing and stuff on 8-bit machines, IP would stop at the online service (home computers would be dumb clients only) and 32-bit systems with MMUs would be too expensive for hackers. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Fri Nov 9 12:58:14 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Loser In-Reply-To: <1434468.1005316895780.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> References: <1434468.1005316895780.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: <20011110075814.A17470@masher.homeip.net> > I've been a real Crackmonkey loser recently. I'm sorry. I haven't even had the time to submit any Rick Moen jokes, so I guess you can tell that I've been busy. The slackmonkey list is funnier than the cruft here anyway. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com "Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas" -- Arnold 'Ace' Rimmer, Red Dwarf From aftyde at linuxcare.com Fri Nov 9 00:33:39 2001 From: aftyde at linuxcare.com (Arthur F. Tyde III) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] Message-ID: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> FYI... -- Arthur F. Tyde III, Linuxcare Inc. +1.415.354.4878 tel,+1.415.701.7457 fax, mailto:aftyde@linuxcare.com http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare- Putting Open Source to Work! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 9 13:07:10 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] In-Reply-To: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> References: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> Message-ID: <20011109130710.E4782@zork.net> begin Arthur F. Tyde III quotation: > FYI... Beg pardon? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 9 13:09:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Slow news day? Message-ID: <20011109130934.F4782@zork.net> http://www.msnbc.com/news/650518.asp?0dm=N2BRN&cp1=1 > As rumors persist that the hijacking ringleader was gay, the > question that should really be asked is 'who cares?' -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 9 13:10:13 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] In-Reply-To: <20011109130710.E4782@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:07:10 -0800") References: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> <20011109130710.E4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <6ubsib647e.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Arthur F. Tyde III quotation: >> FYI... > > Beg pardon? I'm guessing it's some kind of "performance art". (The Icelandic word for "performance art" is "woejankery".) -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 13:26:40 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] In-Reply-To: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com>; from aftyde@linuxcare.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:33:39AM -0800 References: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> Message-ID: <20011109152640.B23348@magic.umn.edu> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:33:39AM -0800, Arthur F. Tyde III wrote: > FYI... Yes, thank you for that information. It was very helpful and informative. Immediately after receiving your e-mail I used the advice you gave and invested in the stock and commodities markets. After only a few minutes I'm already a billionaire thanks to the information you've given me. And thank you for giving me this information at no cost, since even though I'm now incredibly wealthy thanks to it, I'm not paying a dime! > -- > Arthur F. Tyde III, Linuxcare Inc. > +1.415.354.4878 tel,+1.415.701.7457 fax, mailto:aftyde@linuxcare.com > http://www.linuxcare.com/ > Linuxcare- Putting Open Source to Work! ARBEIT MACHT FREI! -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Nov 9 13:21:48 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] In-Reply-To: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Arthur F. Tyde III wrote: > FYI... Wow, thanks for the info. Now I know that there is a History Channel Program of Interest to Masons. If you ever want to elaborate on that, or actually include the contents of the message that you forwarded, by my guest. -- "You, sir, have an orange dick." -- Ben Franklin From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Nov 9 13:54:21 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mailman's sin In-Reply-To: <87668lriih.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr.Bad's message of "07 Nov 2001 22:31:02 -0600") References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> <87668lriih.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "mrbad" == Bad writes: mrbad> if you're getting crackmonkey in digest form, it does indeed mrbad> strip out headers. damn straight. I think you'll find the giant mbox-format quarterly folder on the web page is also tainted by Mailman's goody-boy buttlicking expurgation of ``optional'' headers. Thus there is no enduring record through which future generations can marvel at the folly of proprietary mailers. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 9 13:57:24 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mailman's sin In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> <87668lriih.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011109135724.G4782@zork.net> begin Miles Nordin quotation: > I think you'll find the giant mbox-format quarterly folder on the web > page is also tainted by Mailman's goody-boy buttlicking expurgation of > ``optional'' headers. Thus there is no enduring record through which > future generations can marvel at the folly of proprietary mailers. s/mailman/pipermail/ and http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey.mbox/crackmonkey.mbox has all the headers (but it's 46M and only goes back to Dec 1999 I think). -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 9 14:01:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mailman's sin In-Reply-To: <20011109135724.G4782@zork.net> References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> <87668lriih.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011109135724.G4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011109140106.H4782@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > and http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey.mbox/crackmonkey.mbox > has all the headers (but it's 46M and only goes back to Dec 1999 I > think). I take that back. It does have the 1998 stuff in there, but it was included out of order. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From holo at ob1.beadpainter.org Fri Nov 9 14:41:31 2001 From: holo at ob1.beadpainter.org (ronnie) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] In-Reply-To: ; from crackdonkey@donkeyshow.org on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:21:48PM -0800 References: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> Message-ID: <20011109154131.A16074@ob1.beadpainter.org> Obviously, you needed to know the secret handshake to receive that attachment... On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:21:48PM -0800, Sean Moffitt wrote: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Arthur F. Tyde III wrote: > > > FYI... > > Wow, thanks for the info. Now I know that there is a History Channel > Program of Interest to Masons. > > If you ever want to elaborate on that, or actually include the contents of > the message that you forwarded, by my guest. > > -- > "You, sir, have an orange dick." > -- Ben Franklin From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 9 14:50:50 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] In-Reply-To: <20011109154131.A16074@ob1.beadpainter.org> (ronnie's message of "Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:41:31 -0700") References: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> <20011109154131.A16074@ob1.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <6u668j5zjp.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Mouth-Breathing Top-Posting Asshole quotation: > Obviously, you needed to know the secret handshake to receive that > attachment... And you need to cop the fuck on and realise that time flows down the page. You're not on one of your huggy-kisst-touchy-feely all-points-of-view-are-equally-valid thanks-for-sharing mailing-lists now: you are on CRACKMONKEY and you will rise to the standard expected of you! > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:21:48PM -0800, Sean Moffitt wrote: >> On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Arthur F. Tyde III wrote: -- "Love and understanding are the ultimate crimes." -- Eamon de Valera From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Nov 9 17:56:58 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tongue lashing Message-ID: <20011109175658.B27343@prometheus.embody.org> German girl Annika Irmler has the world's longest tongue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_1646000/1646912.stm Please break up into groups of three or four kids each and discuss this amongst yourselves. I expect each group to be ready with a report to present before the whole class within 40 minutes. -md From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 9 18:01:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tongue lashing In-Reply-To: <20011109175658.B27343@prometheus.embody.org> References: <20011109175658.B27343@prometheus.embody.org> Message-ID: <20011109180115.I4782@zork.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_1646000/1646912.stm > "My friends always said I had an incredibly long tongue - I could > make lots of money with it one day," said Annika. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 10 05:27:24 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: History Channel Program of Interest to Masons] In-Reply-To: <20011109154131.A16074@ob1.beadpainter.org> References: <3BEB94E3.768B67A9@linuxcare.com> <20011109154131.A16074@ob1.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <20011111002724.A23072@masher.homeip.net> > Obviously, you needed to know the secret handshake to receive that attachment... > He put the attachment in the X-Attachment header and it got stripped out. Fuckin mailman and its orange dick. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com "Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas" -- Arnold 'Ace' Rimmer, Red Dwarf From pedro at tastytronic.net Sat Nov 10 09:08:38 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [niallwalsh5@EIRCOM.NET: Erotic Stories] Message-ID: <20011110110838.W6318@tastytronic.net> I'm not so sure about this Icelandic Tom Waits list anymore... ----- Forwarded message from Niall Walsh ----- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:17:04 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Tom Waits From: Niall Walsh Subject: Erotic Stories To: RAINDOGS@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Has anybody on the list ever got into writing erotic stories as a way to earn a few bob? You write them they get published as being written by An 19th Century Gentleman or whatever. Anybody like to try a co-laboration? Could be fun, lucrative and suitably bohemian. Man woman combianations best for testing verasity of feeling etc. Just a thought. ==================================================== For list archives or to unsubscribe/change settings: http://listserv.heanet.ie/raindogs.html ==================================================== ----- End forwarded message ----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Sat Nov 10 09:09:43 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [niallwalsh5@EIRCOM.NET: Erotic Writing] Message-ID: <20011110110942.X6318@tastytronic.net> In case you were dying with suspense... ----- Forwarded message from Niall Walsh ----- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:53:18 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Tom Waits From: Niall Walsh Subject: Erotic Writing To: RAINDOGS@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE That was quick. Position now filled. Maybe some others would like to try same idea. NW ==================================================== For list archives or to unsubscribe/change settings: http://listserv.heanet.ie/raindogs.html ==================================================== ----- End forwarded message ----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Sat Nov 10 09:22:44 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest Message-ID: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> Install Lisp OS and get free drinks for your entire family! ----- Forwarded message from Jay Sulzberger ----- Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 03:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Sulzberger Subject: [nylug-talk] Sunday 11 November 2001 Install Fest at Ruben's in Brooklyn To: nylug-talk@nylug.org Cc: Jay Sulzberger Sender: owner-nylug-talk@nylug.org
The new Free Software Group NYLXS is throwing a big Install Fest on Sunday 11 November 2001 in Brooklyn. http://www.nylxs.com This Install Fest is free and open to all. This Install Fest is made possible through the work and kind generosity of the organizers and all the volunteers. We especially thank Ruben Safir, Mrs. Safir, and Safirs of all ages. Ruben Safir: http://www.mrbrklyn.com All free software welcome! We do not discriminate among free kernels based upon the first letter of their names. We shall install as many free systems on as many machines and on as many different kinds of machines as possible. We shall install both Linux kerneled and free *BSD kerneled systems. Any person who installs or helps install the Hurd or Squeak or any Lisp OS or any ML OS will be treated to a family drink. All experienced installers are invited to come and help. All students of economics, of the history of engineering, and of the art of propaganda are invited. Date: Sunday 11 November 2001, Veteran's Day. Time: Starts at 3:00 pm. Runs to 10:00 pm. Late comers are just as welcome as those who arrive at 3:00 pm. Location: Ruben's Place 1600 East 17th Street Brooklyn, NY 11230 By Train: Brighton Line Q (D is local in Brooklyn) to Kings Highway. Walk to E17th Street - 2 blocks. Turn Left. One Block - cross Ave P - 3 houses on the Left. By Car: Note there is a Parking Lot in E15th and Kings Highway. BQE to Prospect Expressway to the end, into Ocean Parkway. Drive to Ave P and make a Left to E17th one block past the Elevated Subway. By Car from South Queens: Belt to Knapp Street. Knapp to the end to Gertitson Ave to the end to Nostrand Ave. Left on Kings Highway (one block on Nostrand) Kings Highway turns INTO Ave P. Left on E17th Street. Hardware: Bring the boxes on which you wish to run a Free OS. Though it is safest to bring your monitor, keyboard, and mouse, you need not. We will have such available onsite. Internet connections via ethernet will be provided. Telephone lines will be provided, so we can help with PPP. Software: Bring whatever distribution CDs, boot and rescue disks, boot managers, tiny distributions, manuals, and anything else you want. Again, you need not bring any of these things, since they will be available onsite. Important: Everything done to/with any computer at any Install Fest, and in particular, at this Install Fest, is done at the specific request of the owner of the computer. As with all human endeavor, there is some risk of catastrophe. Back up all your data, before coming to the Fest! In addition, make a list of all hardware and media you bring to the Fest, and check that you have all your hardware and media when you leave the Fest. Useful reading: http://www.netcom.com/~casandra/mirror-of-luny-site/installfest/guidelines.html http://linuxmafia.com/bale/linuxprep.html http://www.luv.asn.au/if/preparation.php3 The LDP hardware HOW-TO: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/index.html Linux pre-install checklist: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Pre-Installation-Checklist/index.html Linux post-install mini-checklist: http://algolog.tripod.com/postlnx.htm http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Post-Installation-Checklist/index.html __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - The CEO of Brooklyn Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The Foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Archive of stories and articles from around the net 1-718-382-5752 ____________________________ New Yorker Linux Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless....
http://www.lxny.org http://www.gnubies.org http://www.nylug.org http://www.sixgirls.org http://www.fsf.org http://www.debian.org http://www.linux.org http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd http://www.squeak.org http://www.freebsd.org http://www.netbsd.org http://www.openbsd.org http://www2.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello http://www.daemonnews.org http://slashdot.org http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems http://www2.tunes.org/Review/OSes.html Jay Sulzberger Corresponding Secretary LXNY LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization. http://www.lxny.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From sneakums at zork.net Sat Nov 10 09:26:48 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:22:44 -0800") References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> Message-ID: <6u4ro24jvr.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Don Marti quotation: > Install Lisp OS and get free drinks for your entire family! apt-get install emacs21 That'll be gin and tonic times four, please. -- "Ah, the SCSL. The 'All your changes are belong to Sun' license". -- Eamon de Valera From jack at xiph.org Sat Nov 10 10:24:25 2001 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <6u4ro24jvr.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <6u4ro24jvr.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011110112425.P4656@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > apt-get install emacs21 Yeah, except those idiots never check to see if it builds on PPC. So even though stock emacs21 builds here, debian emacs21 does not. And there are no binary packages yet either (probably because the build daemons can't do it either). jack. From sneakums at zork.net Sat Nov 10 10:36:32 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011110112425.P4656@babyjesus.cantcode.com> (Jack Moffitt's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:24:25 -0700") References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <6u4ro24jvr.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011110112425.P4656@babyjesus.cantcode.com> Message-ID: <6uzo5u3233.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jack Moffitt quotation: >> apt-get install emacs21 > Yeah, except those idiots never check to see if it builds on PPC. How are they supposed to check except by uploading it and letting the build daemon have a crack at it? Do you expwect every maintainer to have one machine of every supported architecture? > So even though stock emacs21 builds here, debian emacs21 does not. So file a bug. Better still: fix it, and file a bug with the patch attached. -- "Step out of line and you'll end up in jail." -- Eamon de Valera From ben at mepotelco.net Fri Nov 9 20:54:03 2001 From: ben at mepotelco.net (Ben Brockert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The 'Tragic' Death of an Animated GIF Message-ID: <200111092254.AA107282574@mail.mepotelco.net> http://www.e-merl.com/bank1.htm I suggested that the shooter be a PNG. I haven't gotten a reply yet. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Nov 10 14:59:43 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The 'Tragic' Death of an Animated GIF In-Reply-To: <200111092254.AA107282574@mail.mepotelco.net> References: <200111092254.AA107282574@mail.mepotelco.net> Message-ID: <20011110145943.L4782@zork.net> X-Mailer: Okay, fess up. What the hell is that? Don? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From carton at Ivy.NET Sat Nov 10 14:59:45 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mailman's sin In-Reply-To: <20011109135724.G4782@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:57:24 -0800") References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> <87668lriih.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011109135724.G4782@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "mm" == Monkey Master writes: mm> http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey.mbox/crackmonkey.mbox So, riddle me this, monkeyjohns: Why is it that your four-legged spacemonkey MTA blasts through messages with such flagrant disregard for the ancient subtleties of Bcc: ? Is it some kind of haut-philosophical arrogance about the-MUA's-job and the-MTA's-job like ``su disregards 'wheel' '', or is it just the typical Distro' test-and-progress sloppiness? -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From jays at panix.com Sat Nov 10 15:08:07 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <6u4ro24jvr.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > begin Don Marti quotation: > > > Install Lisp OS and get free drinks for your entire family! > > apt-get install emacs21 > > That'll be gin and tonic times four, please. You are on! Next time I'm in CJOERK ICELAND, HOME OF BOOLE, give the cry and I shall cry back YAY GLADLY AND DOUBLE IF IT'S TO THE METAL! oo--JS. From jays at panix.com Sat Nov 10 15:16:19 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Don Marti wrote: > Install Lisp OS and get free drinks for your entire family! Yes. And if any of the tribe of Safir installs such puissant ground runes, THE DRAUGHT SHALL BE OF GREAT SIZE AND ELFEN POWER AS IS MEET FOR THOSE OF THE LINE OF THE CEO OF BROOKLYN. oo--JS. From sneakums at zork.net Sat Nov 10 15:22:48 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The 'Tragic' Death of an Animated GIF In-Reply-To: <20011110145943.L4782@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:59:43 -0800") References: <200111092254.AA107282574@mail.mepotelco.net> <20011110145943.L4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <6ur8r62otz.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > X-Mailer: > Okay, fess up. What the hell is that? Don? Proprietary software. I hinted as such in message <6u8zdg6zyj.fsf@zork.zork.net>. That's what I get for being subtle. -- "It saddens me to see the nation I helped create whore itself out to manufacturers of proprietary software." -- Eamon de Valera From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Nov 10 19:40:13 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108110806.H4782@zork.net> <20011108111927.K4782@zork.net> <20011108155756.T4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011110194013.Q8187@linuxmafia.com> begin Miles Nordin quotation: > Mailman is clearly expurgating this message. Yes, indeed. Leaving you clearly no alternative but to crack into all of our boxes and read the outgoing SMTP streams in real-time, as God Intended. -- Cheers, The genius of you Americans is that you never make Rick Moen clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves rick@linuxmafia.com that make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them that we are missing. --Gamel Abdel Nasser From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Nov 10 19:42:47 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [rbryan@extendthereach.com: RE: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: References: <20011108105149.G4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011110194247.R8187@linuxmafia.com> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > ok i've read bits and pieces of this but can somone explain to me this header > stuff? pine doesnt seem to have any problems with this... And how would you suggest that we fix that problem? -- Cheers, "Reality is not optional." Rick Moen -- Thomas Sowell rick@linuxmafia.com From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Nov 11 02:59:16 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:22:44 -0500 References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011111055916.A17755@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Just remember I wrote the directions and I'm wee bit dyslexic :) Let's see - was that left of Broadway, and right on Flatbush.... On 2001.11.10 12:22:44 -0500 Don Marti wrote: Install Lisp OS and get free drinks for your entire family! -- -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net 1-718-382-5752 From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Nov 11 05:28:16 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [ryan@csus.edu: Re: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011109095010.B4782@zork.net> References: <20011109095010.B4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011111052816.C16659@linuxmafia.com> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH PROVES MY BLIND MALICE Trolling for morons out of season is a serious crime, young man. -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick@linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Nov 11 08:02:37 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:22:44 -0800") References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "dm" == Don Marti writes: dm> Install Lisp OS jays> All free software welcome! We do not discriminate among free jays> kernels what? Free Lisp OS? where?! OpenGenera is like $3k, and you only get ``most'' of the source code (expurgating those portions which would help you learn how to write another Lisp OS). -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Nov 11 08:08:09 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The 'Tragic' Death of an Animated GIF In-Reply-To: <6ur8r62otz.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:22:48 +0000") References: <200111092254.AA107282574@mail.mepotelco.net> <20011110145943.L4782@zork.net> <6ur8r62otz.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "sn" == Sean Neakums writes: mm> X-Mailer: mm> Okay, fess up. What the hell is that? Don? sn> I hinted as such in message <6u8zdg6zyj.fsf@zork.zork.net>. sn> That's what I get for being subtle. I thought you were bum-mumbling to yourself again, because Mailman strips the X-Mailer header (while leaving User-Agent in-tact). -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From aaronl at vitelus.com Sun Nov 11 09:23:23 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011111092323.A14286@vitelus.com> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:02:37AM -0700, Miles Nordin wrote: > what? Free Lisp OS? where?! apt-get install emacs21 From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Nov 11 09:41:40 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011111092323.A14286@vitelus.com> References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <20011111092323.A14286@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011112044140.O22296@perkypants.org> > > what? Free Lisp OS? where?! > > apt-get install emacs21 Not fast enough, mouth breather. - Jeff -- "Funny, I have no trouble distinguishing my mobile phone from the others because it's in my _own fucking pocket_!" - Mobile Rage From carlos at laviola.org Sun Nov 11 09:47:40 2001 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tongue lashing In-Reply-To: <20011109180115.I4782@zork.net> References: <20011109175658.B27343@prometheus.embody.org> <20011109180115.I4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011111154740.B484@ajato.com.br> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 06:01:15PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_1646000/1646912.stm > > "My friends always said I had an incredibly long tongue - I could > > make lots of money with it one day," said Annika. I don't think she really understood what her friends meant with that. Anyway, she has a brilliant career as a lizard ahead of her. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ Who controls the past, controls the future. (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Who controls the present, controls the past. http://laviola.org icq #981913 -- George Orwell, "1984" From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Nov 11 09:48:52 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:08 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011111092323.A14286@vitelus.com> (Aaron Lehmann's message of "Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:23:23 -0800") References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <20011111092323.A14286@vitelus.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "al" == Aaron Lehmann writes: carton> what? Free Lisp OS? where?! al> apt-get install emacs21 wah wah waaaaaah. You can imagine how I feel about free software when its proponents offer such a pittance upon a high altar without even blushing. Database bindings? GUI toolkit? Remotely reasonable performance? Threads? Integration of VM and GC? Ability to write hardware drivers in Lisp? I like emacs, but let's get real. As far as exploring Lisp goes, it's a plastic-clockwork toy from a Cap'n Crunch box. emacs is one big reason that everyone thinks large Lisp projects aren't viable. They are, so long as you use Proprietary Lisp. emacs is written in C. All of the interesting and important Lisp functions are bound to C functions. emacs does not even include a filesystem. Calling it a Lisp OS is like calling cygwin The Gnu Operating System. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From sneakums at zork.net Sun Nov 11 10:14:43 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20011112044140.O22296@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Mon, 12 Nov 2001 04:41:40 +1100") References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <20011111092323.A14286@vitelus.com> <20011112044140.O22296@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6ubsi92mzw.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! I've been using free software since 1996, and I'm still cranky. Help! -- "Henceforth, my homepage will be SSL-accessible only. I do not propose to explain why." -- Eamon de Valera From ron at vnetworx.net Sun Nov 11 17:31:19 2001 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The 'Tragic' Death of an Animated GIF In-Reply-To: References: <200111092254.AA107282574@mail.mepotelco.net> <20011110145943.L4782@zork.net> <6ur8r62otz.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <1005528679.29196.72.camel@amory> On Sun, 2001-11-11 at 11:08, Miles Nordin wrote: > I thought you were bum-mumbling to yourself again, because Mailman > strips the X-Mailer header (while leaving User-Agent in-tact). Mailman makes tactless UAs tactful? Damn, that's good. From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 11 20:12:12 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [snatcher@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] Britain placed under state of emergency] Message-ID: <20011111201212.B11946@zork.net> Fuq. We're in heavy fascism mode now. ----- Forwarded message from RatSnatcher ----- Britain placed under state of emergency - Rights law scrapped for internment - Terrified Taliban flee allied onslaught Kamal Ahmed, Antony Barnett and Martin Bright Sunday November 11, 2001 The Observer Britain is to be placed under a state of 'public emergency' as part of an unprecedented government move to allow internment without trial of suspected terrorists. In a historic initiative that will incense civil liberties groups, David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, will lay the order before the House of Commons in the next 48 hours, to be followed by anti-terrorist legislation which will be rushed through in the next four weeks. -more- http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0%2C6903%2C591394%2C00.html -- .^....^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .) --Christopher Walken `{""}' ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 11 20:14:38 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mi vidas "Incubus"! Message-ID: <20011111201438.C11946@zork.net> Oh man, I'm watching Incubus with a SHATNER COMMENTARY TRACK! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Nov 11 21:01:13 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mi vidas "Incubus"! In-Reply-To: <20011111201438.C11946@zork.net> References: <20011111201438.C11946@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011111210113.A14124@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Oh man, I'm watching Incubus with a SHATNER COMMENTARY TRACK! Word to the wise: If you're ever blinded by looking at a solar eclipse, don't go groping around the cliffs of Big Sur all by yourself. Stay in the cabin and wait for Shatner to return! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From otomo at qwest.net Sun Nov 11 23:08:07 2001 From: otomo at qwest.net (Mitch Tishmack) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 Message-ID: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> From: "AAA Printing" Sender: owner-newbie@XFree86.Org To: newbie@XFree86.Org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 CALL US FOR YOUR NEXT QUOTE ALL PRINTING PRICES IN CANADIAN FUNDS THE LOWEST PRICES IN PROFESSIONAL PRINTING WE'LL BEAT ANY OTHER QUOTE BY 10 % KEEP THIS NUMBER HANDY 416-404-4444 (416) 404-4444 _______________________________________________ Newbie mailing list Newbie@XFree86.Org *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie Damn canadian printing spam mail. Someone want to call that number and harass, I mean give quotes to some canadians? I said I could print for free dumbass, now give me a refund! From mvw at wave.co.nz Sun Nov 11 23:39:46 2001 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [ryan@csus.edu: Re: ICE: Nick's messages (was: Zendo Terminology)] In-Reply-To: <20011109095010.B4782@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:50:10AM -0800 References: <20011109095010.B4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112203946.E526@wave.co.nz> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:50:10AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Ryan Arndt ----- > > I belive that the line the Outlook users were up in arms about was > something like "X-Fnord" something-or-another.. Bah! Nick's feeble effort to curry the favour of Errata is aimed much more broadly than just at the Outlook weenies. The connection to Outlook is most likely answered in the question "what MUAs do people ignorant of modem patents tend to use?" But we are not fooled - ha! We all know that typing " NO CARRIER From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 00:04:39 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> References: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> Message-ID: <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net> begin Mitch Tishmack quotation: > Damn canadian printing spam mail. Someone want to call that number > and harass, I mean give quotes to some canadians? I said I could > print for free dumbass, now give me a refund! Jumping jesus FUCK! how the HELL did you make it past my filters? I must have broken them while adding the IMail rule. Tell me, have you folks been getting spam via this list? It's been difficult to tell, what with mailman tacking the same headers on to owner- as it does for . -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Nov 12 00:59:43 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mi vidas "Incubus"! In-Reply-To: <20011111210113.A14124@zork.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > Word to the wise: If you're ever blinded by looking at a solar > eclipse Has anyone ever actually gone blind from this? - James -- James Morris From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Nov 12 02:08:16 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mi vidas "Incubus"! In-Reply-To: References: <20011111210113.A14124@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112020816.H1855@zork.net> James Morris writes: > On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > > > Word to the wise: If you're ever blinded by looking at a solar > > eclipse > > Has anyone ever actually gone blind from this? I got an eye injury from it one year (1994), but my vision came back to normal after several months. It's clear that people have been permanently blinded by trying to observe eclipses through binoculars and telescopes. If you stare with the naked eye, you're more likely to get afterimages lasting somewhere between hours and years. "Blindness in the sense of loss of all vision does not occur [as a result of staring at the Sun]." http://www.moorfields.org.uk/ef-solret.html Here are some actual public health statistics on eye injuries in France in connection with a solar eclipse there: http://www.invs.sante.fr/epiet/seminar/1999/malfait.htm Nobody reported a complete loss of vision, but some patients did experience serious eye injuries. One more: http://www.rcophth.ac.uk/congress/abstract14.html "Mild cases of solar retinopathy resolve with time. It is not safe to observe solar phenomena directly." Knock yourself out with details and case studies: http://www.google.com/search?q=solar+retinopathy -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From sneakums at zork.net Mon Nov 12 06:15:56 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The 'Tragic' Death of an Animated GIF In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "11 Nov 2001 09:08:09 -0700") References: <200111092254.AA107282574@mail.mepotelco.net> <20011110145943.L4782@zork.net> <6ur8r62otz.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <6uitcg13dv.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Miles Nordin quotation: > >>>>> "sn" == Sean Neakums writes: > mm> X-Mailer: > mm> Okay, fess up. What the hell is that? Don? > > sn> I hinted as such in message <6u8zdg6zyj.fsf@zork.zork.net>. > sn> That's what I get for being subtle. > > I thought you were bum-mumbling to yourself again, because Mailman > strips the X-Mailer header (while leaving User-Agent in-tact). This is the worst attempt at woejankery I have yet seen on this list. You're no Arthur F Tyde III! -- "WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHAAAAAAAAA!!! I'M CRAAAAAZY SIGGMUNDD!!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! NEE'ME S'MORE O'THAT SHIT!" -- mike dillon From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Mon Nov 12 06:42:45 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net> References: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113014245.B515@masher.homeip.net> > Tell me, have you folks been getting spam via this list? It's > been difficult to tell, what with mailman tacking the same headers on > to owner- as it does for . > Sure, I get heaps of complete crap off this list. If it stops, I'm going to GTFOML and let you have it back. J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com Open Source Software: Free as in Free Speech, not Free Beer From claviola at alternex.com.br Mon Nov 12 09:29:38 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:04:39AM -0800 References: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112152938.B14473@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:04:39AM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Mitch Tishmack quotation: > > Damn canadian printing spam mail. Someone want to call that number > > and harass, I mean give quotes to some canadians? I said I could > > print for free dumbass, now give me a refund! > > Tell me, have you folks been getting spam via this list? It's > been difficult to tell, what with mailman tacking the same headers on > to owner- as it does for . I haven't. This is the most clean list I'm subscribed to. I mean, not exactly, with your orange dicks and such, but no spam at all. -- Carlos Laviola From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 12 09:45:04 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112152938.B14473@vorlon.alternex.com.br>; from claviola@alternex.com.br on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:29:38PM -0200 References: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net> <20011112152938.B14473@vorlon.alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <20011112114504.G23348@magic.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:29:38PM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:04:39AM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > > begin Mitch Tishmack quotation: > > > Damn canadian printing spam mail. Someone want to call that number > > > and harass, I mean give quotes to some canadians? I said I could > > > print for free dumbass, now give me a refund! > > > > Tell me, have you folks been getting spam via this list? It's > > been difficult to tell, what with mailman tacking the same headers on > > to owner- as it does for . > > I haven't. This is the most clean list I'm subscribed to. I mean, not > exactly, with your orange dicks and such, but no spam at all. debian-powerpc is my #1 source of spam. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From claviola at alternex.com.br Mon Nov 12 09:44:23 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112114504.G23348@magic.umn.edu>; from hick0142@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:45:04AM -0600 References: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net> <20011112152938.B14473@vorlon.alternex.com.br> <20011112114504.G23348@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011112154423.C14473@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:45:04AM -0600, Brian D . Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:29:38PM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:04:39AM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > > > Tell me, have you folks been getting spam via this list? It's > > > been difficult to tell, what with mailman tacking the same headers on > > > to owner- as it does for . > > > > I haven't. This is the most clean list I'm subscribed to. I mean, not > > exactly, with your orange dicks and such, but no spam at all. > > debian-powerpc is my #1 source of spam. I've been getting a shitload of spam from various Debian lists as well. It's a shame that we can't get on a consensus about spam filtering. -- Carlos Laviola From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Nov 12 09:57:27 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112114504.G23348@magic.umn.edu>; from hick0142@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:45:04AM -0600 References: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112000439.A17950@zork.net> <20011112152938.B14473@vorlon.alternex.com.br> <20011112114504.G23348@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011112125727.E42208@samurai.com> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:45:04AM -0600, "Brian D . Hicks" wrote: > > debian-powerpc is my #1 source of spam. The FreeBSD lists have been rather spamtacular lately too. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From otomo at qwest.net Mon Nov 12 10:54:38 2001 From: otomo at qwest.net (Mitch Tishmack) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 Message-ID: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> > begin Mitch Tishmack quotation: > > Damn canadian printing spam mail. Someone want to call that number > > and harass, I mean give quotes to some canadians? I said I could > > print for free dumbass, now give me a refund! > > Jumping jesus FUCK! how the HELL did you make it past my > filters? How the hell did YOU get past your mom's egg? And no this place is very spam free, although the content is questionable. Sorry for spamming, but this was one of the funniest spams I've seen lately. From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Nov 12 10:57:54 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares>; from otomo@qwest.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:54:38PM -0600 References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> Message-ID: <20011112135754.G42208@samurai.com> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:54:38PM -0600, Mitch Tishmack wrote: > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is most troubling. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 11:00:40 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> Message-ID: <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> begin Mitch Tishmack quotation: > Sorry for spamming, but this was one of the funniest spams I've seen > lately. HAHAHA AND HERE IS SOME PICTURE OF THE TOURIST GUY. Goddammit, I'm still messing with the filters. I think that adding "Apple Mail" instead of "Apple.Mail" might have done it, but my "X-.*riority:" field should have surely got him. Anyone who sets the priority of a message is selling something. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Mon Nov 12 10:30:00 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112125727.E42208@samurai.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > > debian-powerpc is my #1 source of spam. > The FreeBSD lists have been rather spamtacular lately too. I have never gotten a single piece of spam from the orangedick mailing list. -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 11:01:48 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112135754.G42208@samurai.com> References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112135754.G42208@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011112110148.E17950@zork.net> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:54:38PM -0600, Mitch Tishmack wrote: > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > This is most troubling. I KNOW! Mailman's regexes are not standard posix or Perl or whatever. It's difficult to figure out where certain metacharacters are stripped off by some outer transport. I'm working on it, though. Keep this mouth-breather talking. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 11:03:47 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > I think that adding "Apple Mail" instead of "Apple.Mail" might have > done it, And by "done it" I mean "broken all subsequent filters". Here's what I have so far. Don, can you give us any help here? # Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments. to: friend@public.com message-id: relay.comanche.denmark.eu from: list@listme.com from: .*@uplinkpro.com \(X-Mailer|User-Agent\):.*\(Eudora|Microsoft|Forte.Agent|Win|Apple.Mail|IMail\) From: .*@yahoo.com From: .*@hotmail.com X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service Content-type:.*multipart Content-type:.*application .*text/html .*text/enriched .*text/x-vcard Content-Disposition:.*attachment X-.*riority: (Indented to avoid spurious > characters) -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sam at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 12 11:04:46 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares>; from otomo@qwest.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:54:38PM -0600 References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> Message-ID: <20011112110446.Q6899@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:54:38PM -0600, Mitch Tishmack wrote: > And no this place is very spam free, although the content is questionable. > > Sorry for spamming, but this was one of the funniest spams I've seen lately. > GTFOML -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 11:05:45 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: References: <20011112125727.E42208@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011112110545.A28927@zork.net> begin Sean Moffitt quotation: > I have never gotten a single piece of spam from the orangedick mailing > list. !!!!!MAKE ORANGE FAST!!!!!! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 12 11:21:18 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112112118.A1524@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:03:47AM -0800: > Here's what I have so far. Don, can you give us any help here? Are you catching X-Mailer: Pegasus and NTMail? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 11:25:54 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112112118.A1524@zgp.org> References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> <20011112112118.A1524@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011112112554.C28927@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:03:47AM -0800: > > > Here's what I have so far. Don, can you give us any help here? > > Are you catching X-Mailer: Pegasus and NTMail? Good catch, but do you see anything else wrong with the regexes? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Mon Nov 12 11:45:33 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time Message-ID: So like, I'm looking for make replacements and I stumble across this debian package (in unstable): burgerspace - Avoid evil foodstuffs and make burgers. CrackMonkey had this to offer as a review of the game: lk;dfjsa;lsdkfjl;asfjklsd;fj;skladfjkl;asdjfkl;asdjfl;asdjkfl;asdkfj A glowing endorsement if I ever saw one! From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 12 11:48:35 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [di010174@diku.dk: open source develops tradewars] Message-ID: <20011112114835.D28927@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Oliver Due Billing ----- Liked www.merchantempires.net, well the devlopers own player group has developed it further. Soon it will be released in its second version. Check it out. www.advancedpowers.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 12 12:12:08 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112112554.C28927@zork.net> References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> <20011112112118.A1524@zgp.org> <20011112112554.C28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112121208.A3197@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:25:54AM -0800: > Good catch, but do you see anything else wrong with the > regexes? No, but goddamn troll-boys who run CVS versions of mutt make Mailman's brain hurt. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 12 12:30:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mr.bad@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] One Other Thing] Message-ID: <20011112123034.J28927@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from "Mr. Bad" ----- >>>>> "TJ" == Trevor Johnson writes: TJ> He was the only American president who was a literal lightning TJ> rod. In fact, he invented the lightning rod, as well as the TJ> self-threading needle, the double-barreled musket, the TJ> flexible urinary catheter, and watertight bulkheads. As president, he also invented the Monroe Doctrine and built the White House with his OWN BARE HANDS -- at age 104! His administration was marred by scandal -- he insisted on holding cabinet meetings in the nude -- but by founding the United Nations (originally just the USA, North Korea, and Burkina Faso! It was more of a sports club at that point than the megalopolis of unbelievable power we know it to be today) and handing over administration of our national postal service to the Freemasons, he set the stage for the eventual triumph of the New World Order in the 21st Century. Hail Citizen Franklin! ~Mr. Bad P.S. Those mints he made are delicious, too. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 12 12:54:03 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to Message-ID: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22770.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Nov 12 12:58:01 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112135754.G42208@samurai.com> (Bryan Fullerton's message of "Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:57:54 -0500") References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112135754.G42208@samurai.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "bf" == Bryan Fullerton writes: mt> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal mt> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 mt> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 bf> This is most troubling. GAH! that's IT. screw digest mode. Besides, I was getting tired of performing the easy-to-memorize but dog-slow LispOS un-digestify-and-rethread command, M-P-b B-r nnml RET E q Z-R -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Nov 12 13:20:11 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:03:47 -0800") References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "mm" == Monkey Master writes: mm> \(X-Mailer|User-Agent\):.*\(Eudora|Microsoft|Forte.Agent|Win|Apple.Mail|IMail\) what kind of whackjob-jerkoff regex quotes ('s but doesn't quote |'s? -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us Mon Nov 12 13:58:24 2001 From: evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us (Evan Prodromou) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> Message-ID: <87itcfk5xb.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> what? Free Lisp OS? where?! OpenGenera is like $3k, and you MN> only get ``most'' of the source code (expurgating those MN> portions which would help you learn how to write another Lisp MN> OS). As far as I know, no such beast exists. I'm not even sure what a "Lisp OS" would consist of, really. What'd be fun is embedding a Guile interpreter into the FluxOS kit. Baddabing baddaboom -- Instant SchemeOS! ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou evan@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us From sam at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 12 14:12:04 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: ; from neale@woozle.org on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:45:33AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:45:33AM -0800, Neale Pickett wrote: > So like, I'm looking for make replacements ... > [11/02/01 @ 17:22:09] EVERYTHING IS BETTER IN SCHEME. [11/02/01 @ 17:22:44] OK, now I'm trying to figure out how to convince mjs to help me write make in scheme! [11/02/01 @ 17:24:04] (make-rule 'gar (depends 'foo 'bar 'traz) (do-stuff-here)) -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Nov 12 14:02:12 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> References: <006a01c16b48$c7eb52b0$ebe01941@whocares> Message-ID: <87eln3k5qz.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MT" == Mitch Tishmack writes: MT> Subject: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing A-HA! I was _wondering_ where all these dirt cheap Canadians were coming from. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Nov 12 14:33:04 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <87itcfk5xb.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Evan Prodromou's message of "12 Nov 2001 13:58:24 -0800") References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <87itcfk5xb.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "mrbad" == Evan Prodromou writes: >>>>> "carton" == Miles Nordin writes: carton> OpenGenera is like $3k mrbad> I'm not even sure what a "Lisp OS" would consist of, really. what? The insolence! Go! GET OUT! dankyou sir, *YOU LEAVE *NOW**! for the benefit of people who aren't PRETENDING to have just stepped off the boat from Mikrosfkstan: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/lisp-faq/part2/section-20.html http://www2.thecia.net/users/ptw/LispM.html http://www2.thecia.net/users/ptw/VLM.html -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 12 14:40:43 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:54:03PM -0800: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22770.html They're "going after" this: http://www.consultingtimes.com/Largo.html As Bynari VP Tom Adelstein put it, "When Largo says they have saved the local taxpayers millions, they aren't being cavalier or flip in any way. Largo has become a model network environment for governments. In the future, we'll view this as a major milestone in information technology." City of Largo Goes Live With KDE 2.1.1 http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2001-07-23-001-14-PS -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 14:46:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > City of Largo Goes Live With KDE 2.1.1 > http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2001-07-23-001-14-PS I'm not quite sure why they're running in 8-bit color. Surely they can use 16-bit on the clients they're using, no? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 12 14:58:39 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 02:46:12PM -0800: > I'm not quite sure why they're running in 8-bit color. Surely > they can use 16-bit on the clients they're using, no? The David Hasselhoff background uses all the colors, dude. More Google Juice for David Hassellhoff! http://www.themes.org/themes/312/screenshot/ More Google Juice for Lisa Bowman! http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2449300-1,00.html More Google Juice for Rick Moen! http://www.opendvd.org/rickletter.html Konqueror keeps asking if I want a cookie from penthouse.com when I visit my home page...must be a favicon.ico redirect thing. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 15:03:29 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > More Google Juice for Lisa Bowman! > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2449300-1,00.html Damn fine article! > More Google Juice for Rick Moen! > http://www.opendvd.org/rickletter.html The requested URL /rickletter.html was not found on this server. > Konqueror keeps asking if I want a cookie from penthouse.com when > I visit my home page...must be a favicon.ico redirect thing. Yep. Konqueror is definitely the IE of GNU. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Nov 12 15:04:57 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011112170457.D6318@tastytronic.net> Quoting Don Marti: > Konqueror keeps asking if I want a cookie from penthouse.com when > I visit my home page...must be a favicon.ico redirect thing. ...or your homepage is penthouse.com. pedro From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 12 15:38:39 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] depressing Message-ID: <20011112153839.T28927@zork.net> http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?group=J&areaID=1 -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 12 15:43:23 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] housing trends Message-ID: <20011112154323.U28927@zork.net> Well, the housing trends are continuing. The curve had this shape a couple of months ago, and they only give a month's worth of data! http://www.craigslist.org/housing.trends.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Mon Nov 12 15:47:11 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:09 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] depressing In-Reply-To: <20011112153839.T28927@zork.net> Message-ID: At 15.38 -0800 01-11-12, Nick Moffitt wrote: >http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?group=J&areaID=1 Try checking the boxes. In the search of nothing - you found nothing! That should score high on the amaze-meter. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 15:45:03 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] housing trends In-Reply-To: <20011112154323.U28927@zork.net> References: <20011112154323.U28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112154503.V28927@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Well, the housing trends are continuing. The curve had this shape a > couple of months ago, and they only give a month's worth of data! > > http://www.craigslist.org/housing.trends.html Ah, n'mind. THat's a year and a month, but note the spike after early September of this year. Wow. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Nov 12 14:52:58 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113095258.G1663@perkypants.org> > > Konqueror keeps asking if I want a cookie from penthouse.com when > > I visit my home page...must be a favicon.ico redirect thing. > > Yep. Konqueror is definitely the IE of GNU. Motzy does them, too. - Jeff -- "Ha! I so nailed you!" "Dude, don't brag about your exploits to your exploits." From jope-crackmonkey at demonmonkey.com Mon Nov 12 16:00:07 2001 From: jope-crackmonkey at demonmonkey.com (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mi vidas "Incubus"! In-Reply-To: <20011111201438.C11946@zork.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Oh man, I'm watching Incubus with a SHATNER COMMENTARY TRACK! Such magnificent lighting! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 15:52:09 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mi vidas "Incubus"! In-Reply-To: References: <20011111201438.C11946@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112155209.X28927@zork.net> begin El JoPe Magnifico quotation: > On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > Oh man, I'm watching Incubus with a SHATNER COMMENTARY TRACK! > > Such magnificent lighting! Hahahaha. NO, it's more like: Marco kaj Kia get-it-onas. *cough* Such incredible lighting! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 12 16:03:16 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112170457.D6318@tastytronic.net> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> <20011112170457.D6318@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011112160316.B8945@zgp.org> begin Peter A. Peterson II quotation of Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 05:04:57PM -0600: > Quoting Don Marti: > > Konqueror keeps asking if I want a cookie from penthouse.com when > > I visit my home page...must be a favicon.ico redirect thing. > > ...or your homepage is penthouse.com. > > pedro It must have been the KDE default! I swear! And I only go there for the articles! -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 15:48:09 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] depressing In-Reply-To: References: <20011112153839.T28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112154809.W28927@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > At 15.38 -0800 01-11-12, Nick Moffitt wrote: > >http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?group=J&areaID=1 > > Try checking the boxes. > > In the search of nothing - you found nothing! > > That should score high on the amaze-meter. Yeah, if you allow in the non-profit flag, you see three postings for pro bono work, all from the same company. none of the otehr flags help. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 12 16:33:36 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112163336.A9383@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:03:29PM -0800: > Yep. Konqueror is definitely the IE of GNU. It's Irish? I thought all that K* stuff was German. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Nov 12 17:25:42 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] depressing In-Reply-To: <20011112154809.W28927@zork.net> References: <20011112153839.T28927@zork.net> <20011112154809.W28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112172542.D15060@zork.net> Monkey Master writes: > begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > > At 15.38 -0800 01-11-12, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > >http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?group=J&areaID=1 > > > > Try checking the boxes. > > > > In the search of nothing - you found nothing! > > > > That should score high on the amaze-meter. > > Yeah, if you allow in the non-profit flag, you see three > postings for pro bono work, all from the same company. none of the > otehr flags help. Try searching for text -- e.g. "Linux". The economy's bad, but not _that_ bad. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From mdillon at standmed.com Mon Nov 12 17:31:50 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] depressing In-Reply-To: <20011112172542.D15060@zork.net>; from schoen@loyalty.org on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 05:25:42PM -0800 References: <20011112153839.T28927@zork.net> <20011112154809.W28927@zork.net> <20011112172542.D15060@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011112173149.A17724@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Seth David Schoen quotation: > Try searching for text -- e.g. "Linux". > > The economy's bad, but not _that_ bad. Ding! Ding! Ding! And the Grand Prize goes to Seth Schoen for his correct observation that the Craigslist search engine simply sucks! Bonus points go to the runners-up, who suggested using the checkboxes for more informative results. -md From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 12 18:24:07 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011113095258.G1663@perkypants.org> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> <20011113095258.G1663@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011112182407.B11304@zgp.org> begin Jeff Waugh quotation of Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:52:58AM +1100: > Motzy does them, too. Redirect permanent /favicon.ico http://www.penthouse.com/ -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Nov 12 17:39:27 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011112182407.B11304@zgp.org> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> <20011113095258.G1663@perkypants.org> <20011112182407.B11304@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011113123927.M1663@perkypants.org> > > Motzy does them, too. > > Redirect permanent /favicon.ico http://www.penthouse.com/ A few months ago, I tested whether IE would download a Big Motherfucker of a file if it was called favicon.ico. Turns out it doesn't. Turns out if you cat Big Motherfucker file to the end of a Windows icon file, it does. If you have the bandwidth, decimate an IE user's connection today! - Jeff -- "I look forward to someday putting foo-colored ribbons on my homepage declaring 'port 25 is for spam', and 'just say no to the Spam Message Transmission Protocol!'" - Raph Levien From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Nov 12 18:43:24 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <87itcfk5xb.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87g07j8k6r.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> for the benefit of people who aren't PRETENDING to have just MN> stepped off the boat from Mikrosfkstan: MN> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/lisp-faq/part2/section-20.html Fine. I guess you could define a LispOS as "the OS of a Lisp machine." Boring, and not fun, but fine. But my guess is that anyone looking for a LispOS in 2001 would probably want it to run on commodity hardware. In which case, the definition of a Lisp OS gets much harder. Would it be a copy of Symbolics's system, circa 1988? Or is there a principle of a Lisp OS that's harder to capture? There have been a number of projects to make a free Lisp OS, such as: http://lists.tunes.org/mailman/listinfo/lispos Which has some great ideas for what defines a Lisp OS. There's also some projects out there, such as Tunes: http://tunes.org/ or Nasos, or Ocelot. But as of the last time I did a search, there really wasn't a Lisp OS out there. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Nov 12 18:46:01 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SP" == Sam Phillips writes: SP> (make-rule 'gar (depends 'foo 'bar 'traz) (do-stuff-here)) Hell, man, it'd be pretty easy to write make-rule in Guile. It'd just be a boring little macro. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Nov 12 20:35:26 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Installfest In-Reply-To: <87g07j8k6r.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr. Bad's message of "12 Nov 2001 18:43:24 -0800") References: <20011110092244.C18556@zgp.org> <87itcfk5xb.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87g07j8k6r.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "mrbad" == Bad writes: mrbad> anyone looking for a LispOS in 2001 would probably want it to mrbad> run on commodity hardware. hey, I did post two other links, you know. http://www2.thecia.net/users/ptw/VLM.html OpenGenera, *as I said to begin with*, costs $3k. It runs under OSF/1 and displays to any X server, but the Lisp VM gets is own IP address. The MacIvory 3 is a NuBus card for the Macintosh II that does basically the same thing. The ``Ivory'' CPU and proprietary memory on this card are performance-competitive with OpenGenera on the Alpha, but supposedly it can be had second-hand for $1k. If the Macintosh crashes, the MacIvory does not. You can reboot the Mac, relaunch the ``Genera'' application, and continue where you left off. The MacIvory also has the advantage of working with this strange ``NuVista'' video card that the MacIvory can control directly, without going through QuickDraw or X11. so, it is only sort-of running on commodity hardware, but it's not as bad as the TI Explorer, with it's video/keyboard/optical-mouse multiplexed over a 100-ft fiber-optic console cable. I touched one of the Explorers once. It was awesome. It had the Lisp Keyboard: Alt, AltGr, Hyper, Meta, Super, Square, Triangle, and Circle. The fiber optic console cable really works. The console jitters in an analog sort of way if you futz with the fiber connector. IMHO their hardware is prettier than the Symbolics, but everyone says Genera (with it's ZMacs editor) is the shit, and they have some heavy-duty 3D stuff like the ``FrameThrower'' that TI does not have. mrbad> there really wasn't a Lisp OS out there. ^ Free BTW, how does Mailman know that it should not add it's banner to your Bad articles? -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From sam at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 12 22:25:32 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>; from mr.bad@pigdog.org on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 06:46:01PM -0800 References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 06:46:01PM -0800, Mr. Bad wrote: > >>>>> "SP" == Sam Phillips writes: > > SP> (make-rule 'gar (depends 'foo 'bar 'traz) (do-stuff-here)) > > Hell, man, it'd be pretty easy to write make-rule in Guile. It'd just > be a boring little macro. > Well then where's your source code for this man? -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Nov 12 22:39:52 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> (Sam Phillips's message of "Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:25:32 -0800") References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "sp" == Sam Phillips writes: SP> (make-rule 'gar (depends 'foo 'bar 'traz) (do-stuff-here)) sp> Well then where's your source code for this man? Pah! Don't make me laugh. Guiile is a totally unsuitable language for this sort of thing. Only PL/I has the necessary punctuation constructs to cleanly represent a dependency graph. It is precisely your sort of broken thinking that has lead us to our current disastrous inability to manage large projects with 'make'. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Nov 12 22:58:19 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> (Sam Phillips's message of "Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:25:32 -0800") References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "sp" == Sam Phillips writes: sp> (make-rule 'gar (depends 'foo 'bar 'traz) (do-stuff-here)) This is a waste of time. Only after you have rewritten your entire application in Java, the Language of Tomorrow, will your solution be free from the gratuitous shackles of hundreds of tiny files all interdependent upon each other in mysterious and unpredictable ways. Thanks to Java, this woeful situation is a thing of the past. Legacy tools like 'make', originally designed to kludge around this foolish result of fundamentally flawed language design, are obsolete in this present age of Java Technology. Welcome to the 21st century, brother. http://sakima.Ivy.NET/~carton/academia/java_languageoftomorrow.html -- ``Let me be your Sass-Monkey.'' -- Wesley in _The Princess Bride_ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 12 23:05:35 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011112230535.Y28927@zork.net> http://sakima.Ivy.NET/~carton/academia/java_languageoftomorrow.html > If NetBSD 1.5 can run a ten-year-old NetBSD binary compiled into > machine code, why can't new Java runtime environments execute Java > bytecode compiled with older development kits? No, don't just brush > this off. Old programs exist. I can run old C programs. I can even > run old C programs that have been compiled into machine code. In > fact, I can run old C programs compiled into MIPS machine code on > Digital's ancient ``Ultrix'' Unix for their discontinued ``pmax'' > workstations. I can run these programs on my NEC MC-R700A > ``MobilePro'' PDA running NetBSD, which just happens to have a > vaguely-related CPU core even though it is a totally different type > of device. These programs were written ten years ago, on a > completely different discontinued machine, with a discontinued C > compiler, compiling to a two-generations-older version of the MIPS > core, and a variant of Unix that's two or three generations old. Why > can I run them alongside modern C programs on a modern ``PDA'' > laptop, but I can't run a Java program written six months ago on any > current machine anywhere? Nice. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 13 00:42:14 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: [Newbie]RE: AAA Printing - Dirt cheap canadian printing (416) 404-4444 In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "12 Nov 2001 14:20:11 -0700") References: <003d01c16bab$7c0693b0$ebe01941@whocares> <20011112110040.D17950@zork.net> <20011112110347.F17950@zork.net> Message-ID: <6ubsi712qh.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Miles Nordin quotation: >>>>> "mm" == Monkey Master writes: > mm> \(X-Mailer|User-Agent\):.*\(Eudora|Microsoft|Forte.Agent|Win|Apple.Mail|IMail\) > > what kind of whackjob-jerkoff regex quotes ('s but doesn't quote |'s? Perhaps they have to be quoted to protect them BEFORE they get to the regex engine and arrive there unescaped. But I don't know MailMan, so I'm only guessing. -- "APT is merely the vessel in which the true genius of the Debian Project, its Policy, is transmitted to you, the user." -- Eamon de Valera From jmorris at intercode.com.au Tue Nov 13 03:03:55 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <20011112230535.Y28927@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > Nice. > "Why do we have to use a Unix shell script to start a supposedly-portable Java program?" Nutshell. - James -- James Morris From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 13 06:23:22 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Haiku for dog-shit-eating hillbilly goat-fuckers Message-ID: <6uu1vyzr51.fsf@zork.zork.net> I have nothing original to say, so I'm forwarding this instead and basking in the sickly light of reflected glory. -------------------- Start of forwarded message -------------------- From: "Mr. Bad" Subject: Re: [Pigdog] kesey death haikus To: pigdog-l@bearfountain.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:41:47 -0800 >>>>> "fn" == faddahwolf@earthlink net writes: fn> so his was was to have each line as a sort of short "feeling" fn> phrase, keeping in the haiku spirit, making sure a syllable fn> towards the end of the second line had that "Oh" emphasis. This is well known as the "pussy haiku" or "hippy New Age fuckball haiku." It's five, seven, five, You fucken stink-balls hippy! Pussy lamer fuck! People who talk like this will always tell you some bullshit tale about how the ORIGINAL way that haiku was done was about your stinky hippy feelings and how it felt to lose your hand-knit hacky-sack or when nobody would buy your patchouli even though it was really good, and so it didn't matter to follow the form, and the form didn't even exist, and my little pot-addled brain can't handle the cadences anyways, and anyways follow your hippy bliss, man. Well, FUCK those people. FIVE, SEVEN, FIVE. Get it right! Christ Almisty, if you want to write a 3-line free-verse poem, DO IT. Who cares? But don't call it haiku, and while you're at it sell that stupid van and get a goddamn job. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------------- End of forwarded message -------------------- -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From leklund at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 13 06:41:22 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011113094122.D27366@tastytronic.net> Quoting Miles Nordin: > This is a waste of time. Only after you have rewritten your entire > application in Java, the Language of Tomorrow, will your solution be > free from the gratuitous shackles of hundreds of tiny files all > ... ITYM javur GTFOML -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- ELECTRONIC CORPORATE RAIDERS IN A VIRTUAL WORLD! +++ From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 13 08:00:17 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tatto it on your butt if you have to In-Reply-To: <20011113123927.M1663@perkypants.org> References: <20011112125403.M28927@zork.net> <20011112144043.C7238@zgp.org> <20011112144612.Q28927@zork.net> <20011112145839.D7238@zgp.org> <20011112150329.S28927@zork.net> <20011113095258.G1663@perkypants.org> <20011112182407.B11304@zgp.org> <20011113123927.M1663@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011113080017.B27371@zgp.org> begin Jeff Waugh quotation of Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 12:39:27PM +1100: > If you have the bandwidth, decimate an IE user's connection today! Everybody has the bandwidth if you use SourceForge. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Nov 13 09:06:05 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. Message-ID: http://www.protus.com/ -----8<----- [shim.gif] Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions About Protus Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Services Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Solutions Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Support Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Partnerships Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions Telco/ISP Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions News/Events Protus IP Solutions Protus IP Solutions -----8<----- wow. that really is simple. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From leklund at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 13 09:55:25 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> Quoting Miles Nordin: > annoying spam miles is nothing but a flap-mouthed mound of industrial jizzum. GTFOML -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- SPECTACULAR VISION IN THE BETTER BOOGALOO! +++ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 13 08:28:43 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87bsi6tz2c.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SP" == Sam Phillips writes: SP> Well then where's your source code for this man? I'm working on it. So, I figure there needs to be 3 macros: (define-target () body) (define-pseudo () body) (define-pattern () body) ...each of which makes a closure like: (lambda () (ensure-built deps) (body)) And registers it in one of three tables, *targets*, *pseudos*, and *patterns*. Targets are always single files ("myfile.c"), pseudos are always pseudo-targets ("install"), and patterns are shell patterns ("*.c"). Dependencies can be any of the 3 types of thingy. It might be possible to differentiate between files and pseudos using strings for files and symbols for pseudos. Like, say, "output" is really a target for a file named output, but 'output is a pseudotarget. So, fourthly, you have a function make, like: (make 'all) (make "myfile.c") (make 'clean 'all 'test 'install) make merely looks up the args, first in *targets*, then in *pseudos*, then, if there are no matches, tries to match against each pattern in *patterns*. If there's a hit anywhere, it simply runs the associated closure. And, finally, a command-line processing function, like (make-main). Then Guile make scripts look something like: ---8<--- #!/usr/bin/guile \ -e make-main -s !# (use-modules (make)) (define cc "gcc") (define c-flags '(gar gar gar)) (define link-flags '(gar gar gar)) (define-pattern "*.o" ("*.c" "config.h") (shell cc c-flags $1)) (define-target "myprog" ("mod1.o" "mod2.o") (cc link-flags $deps $0)) (define-pseudo 'all ("myprog") ) (define-pseudo 'install ('all) (shell "install" "myprog")) ---8<--- Which you could save in a script called "makefile.scm" or something. Then you'd run: makefile.scm all makefile.scm install And make-main would check the command line args and run the make function on each. The only thing I'm not sure of is how to pass target info to the body of the rule -- whether it should be a shell-y, make-y interface, or a more Scheme-y one. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Nov 13 10:35:57 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> (Lukas Eklund's message of "Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:55:25 -0500") References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "le" == Lukas Eklund writes: le> Quoting Miles Nordin: le> annoying spam Foowl. It was an annoying web page, not a spam. I opted into the incomprehensible advertisement by following a URL about internet fax-to-fax. Apparently all the old players have restructured into companies that no longer actually do anything. le> miles is nothing but a flap-mouthed mound of le> industrial jizzum. As any professional Jiz-mopper knows, the Giz does not form into mounds. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From leklund at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 13 10:43:25 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011113134325.F27366@tastytronic.net> Quoting Miles Nordin: > Foowl. It was an annoying web page, not a spam. BZERT! It became spam the moment you decided it was a good idea to forward it to [crackmonkey]. Please try again. > I opted into the incomprehensible advertisement by following a URL > about internet fax-to-fax. Apparently all the old players have > restructured into companies that no longer actually do anything. And I should care because? -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- GLIMMERING LIPS FOR THE CAT-3 GLOBE! +++ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 13 10:44:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> begin Miles Nordin quotation: > >>>>> "le" == Lukas Eklund writes: > > le> Quoting Miles Nordin: > le> annoying spam > > Foowl. It was an annoying web page, not a spam. Ah! You're one of those younguns who thinks that "spam" means "unwanted e-mail"! Crazy. ORIGINALLY it referred to the Monty Python sketch about the cafe with the vikings and the menu that had entries like "spam and eggs, baked beans, spam, spam, spam, toast, and spam". It ended with everyone singing the word "spam" over and over again. In the context of the exturnet, it means that you're repeating the same thing over and over and being a twit. It came to refer to unwanted mail when Cantor and Siegel posted the same message in every single newsgroup, REPOSTING EACH TIME so that you couldn't just kill a single message ID and be done with it. It didn't refer to the unwanted or commercial nature of their message, but rather the REPETITION. Now stop being a dork or I'll sic Thom Stark on yo' ass. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Nov 13 10:45:10 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 10:44:15AM -0800 References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113194509.A80879@mini.instinct.org> On Nov 13, Monkey Master wrote: > In the context of the exturnet, it means that you're repeating > the same thing over and over and being a twit. It came to refer to > unwanted mail when Cantor and Siegel posted the same message in every > single newsgroup, REPOSTING EACH TIME so that you couldn't just kill a > single message ID and be done with it. It didn't refer to the > unwanted or commercial nature of their message, but rather the > REPETITION. wasn't the term "spam" used to refer before the cantor and spiegel thing? -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 13 10:55:56 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113194509.A80879@mini.instinct.org> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011113194509.A80879@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <20011113105556.B28927@zork.net> begin Peter Lowe quotation: > wasn't the term "spam" used to refer before the cantor and spiegel > thing? Yes. It was used to refer to mindles repetition. Read my goddamn posts all the way through and wipe the drool off your screen. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Nov 13 11:01:10 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113110109.A14602@prometheus.embody.org> begin Monkey Master quotation: > It came to refer to unwanted mail when Cantor and Siegel posted the > same message in every single newsgroup, REPOSTING EACH TIME so that > you couldn't just kill a single message ID and be done with it. It > didn't refer to the unwanted or commercial nature of their message, > but rather the REPETITION. Hmmm... This Spamming Soldier of the North ("Miles" "Nordin", figure it out, etymologists), has the email address . Carton being an anagram of Cantor. Coincidence? You decide. -md From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Nov 13 11:07:39 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:44:15 -0800") References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "mm" == Monkey Master writes: mm> It didn't refer to the unwanted or commercial nature of their mm> message, but rather the REPETITION. wow. yeah, that does fit perfectly with the lynx-optimized Protus page. I think there was more in the original Python skit. For one thing, the ``customers'' were trying to have a conversation, but couldn't because the waiters were singing the ``spam spam spam spam'' chorus louder and louder. This mirrors the true secret fears behind the complaints of ``excessive annoyance'' in the early days. The waiters sing exuberantly to express their joy in their job, of _selling_ spam. The spamstaurant is selling just one small obscure thing that no one wants, very loudly. small mask-like character indicates biological attack. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 13 11:12:55 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113111255.D28927@zork.net> begin Miles Nordin quotation: > small mask-like character indicates biological attack. Miles Nordin will lead this list back to its former greatness! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From leklund at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 13 11:35:35 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113143535.G27366@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > In the context of the exturnet, it means that you're repeating > the same thing over and over and being a twit. It came to refer to > unwanted mail when Cantor and Siegel posted the same message in every > single newsgroup, REPOSTING EACH TIME so that you couldn't just kill a > single message ID and be done with it. It didn't refer to the > unwanted or commercial nature of their message, but rather the > REPETITION. Thanks be to the great and wise Crackmonkey that he has chosen to enlighten me in the ways of internet lore. It with yearning in my heart that I long to someday be but an apprentice to one so masterful as the one called Crackmonkey. What a glorious day it would be -- to learn the proper use jargon; the nuances of the non-sequitur argument; the beauty of the ad-hominem personal attack; and the intricate use of the LFP. Thanks be. -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- SORDID LIPS IN AN ELECTROMATIC PRISON! +++ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 13 11:45:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113143535.G27366@tastytronic.net> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011113143535.G27366@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011113114506.E28927@zork.net> begin Lukas Eklund quotation: > Thanks be. I can kill you with a thought, Eklund. Don't you forget it. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 13 11:49:27 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] And the winner is... Message-ID: <20011113114927.F28927@zork.net> http://www.spe.sony.com/classics/city/misc/special_effects.html > As a result of Pitof/Duboi's efforts, "The City of Lost Children " > is the French feaure film with the greatest number of digital > special effects, of the greatest length, ever made by a wholly > French crew. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 13 12:22:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011113122234.G28927@zork.net> The hive has rejected us. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- john@radiomind.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 13 12:50:05 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] FSF-approved patent license Message-ID: <20011113125005.I28927@zork.net> http://www.fsmlabs.com/openpatentlicense.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 13 13:01:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] FSF-approved patent license In-Reply-To: <20011113125005.I28927@zork.net> References: <20011113125005.I28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113130112.J28927@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.fsmlabs.com/openpatentlicense.html See also http://www.fsf.org/press/2001-09-18-RTLinux.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From stephane at zork.net Tue Nov 13 13:06:56 2001 From: stephane at zork.net (stephane) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] god bless america Message-ID: <20011113130656.A24622@zork.net> http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=humannews&StoryID=361578 Men Get 'Bulge' Jeans to Enhance Their Assets November 10, 2001 07:11 AM ET LONDON (Reuters) - Women have been faking it for years thanks to the wondrous properties of the booster bra. Now men are getting in on the act with a new pair of jeans designed to maximize their "upfront" appeal. Jeans maker Lee Cooper says it has re-released its subtly named 1970s "Packit" jeans -- redesigned to give every man the kind of eye-popping trouser frontage normally associated with mustachioed porn stars or a well-placed pair of socks. "The bulge has become the fashion statement of the season," a spokeswoman for the company said. "The (jeans) are designed for the ultimate in bulge enhancement...so men can put their assets on display." She said the original skin-tight version of the jeans, released in 1978, had been popular supporting acts for a host of pop stars and rock legends including Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi. The 2001 version has been redesigned with a new type of body-friendly denim which allows men to "follow fashion without risking their health or sexual prowess," she said. "But ultimately, just like the Wonderbra, if you haven't got the right equipment in the first place, there is only so much the jeans can do." From zen at zork.net Tue Nov 13 13:23:00 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Visions of the future. Message-ID: <20011113132300.A25773@zork.net> http://www.thegia.com/features/cm/cm011109.html The commercial for Rez has a clip from the press conference at the end that shows its Lawnmower-Man visuals. The whole thing looks very early-1990s thyberthpathe. Also recommended are the he ads for Minna no Golf and, if you feel like digging through the archives, Tomak: Save the Earth: Love Story. This stuff's almost as good as the Chu Chu Rocket ad (http://www.georgebox.org/ccr_ad.mpeg, for both of you who haven't seen it yet). -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From zen at zork.net Tue Nov 13 13:29:43 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Visions of the future. In-Reply-To: <20011113132300.A25773@zork.net> References: <20011113132300.A25773@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113132943.B25773@zork.net> begin George Moffitt quotation: > http://www.thegia.com/features/cm/cm011109.html The server's been busy as all fsck lately, so I also put up the Rez movie at http://www.georgebox.org/rez.mpg . -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From sam at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 13 13:52:23 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <87bsi6tz2c.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>; from mr.bad@pigdog.org on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 08:28:43AM -0800 References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi6tz2c.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011113135222.Z6899@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 08:28:43AM -0800, Mr. Bad wrote: > >>>>> "SP" == Sam Phillips writes: > > SP> Well then where's your source code for this man? > > I'm working on it. So, I figure there needs to be 3 macros: > > (define-target () body) > > (define-pseudo () body) > > (define-pattern () body) > See I was wondering if you could do weird things in so like for instance: (define (check-for-third-thursday-in-november) (some-stuff-that-I-cant-think-of-off-the-top-of-my-head)) (define-pseudo beaujolais-nouveau (check-for-third-thursday-in-november) (get-stinkers-drunk)) The rest looks cool. I probably would've come up with something like that eventually. Although I'm nowhere as good as scheming as you are. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 13 14:01:20 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Visions of the future. In-Reply-To: <20011113132943.B25773@zork.net> References: <20011113132300.A25773@zork.net> <20011113132943.B25773@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113140120.K28927@zork.net> begin Zen-O-Phobia quotation: > begin George Moffitt quotation: > > http://www.thegia.com/features/cm/cm011109.html > > The server's been busy as all fsck lately, so I also put up > the Rez movie at http://www.georgebox.org/rez.mpg . But please be kind, as georgebox.org is hosted on the same machine as crackmonkey.org. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 13 16:27:24 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TRUTH Message-ID: <20011113162724.O28927@zork.net> http://english.pravda.ru/fun/2001/11/13/20870.html > 21:39 2001-11-13 > FORESKIN CAN MAKE YOU FACE LOOK YOUNG AND GOOD-LOOKING > > Every old freak will have an opportunity to become forever young and > good-looking. Forever indeed. The secret research of the scientists > from the university in Wisconsin has been recently exposed. A > remarkable discovery has been made incidentally, as usual. The > scientists were looking for a way to make ageing process of skin > cells go slower. They used foreskin of the Jewish boys as the > experimental material ? the circumcision wastes so to speak. They > used the foreskin cells to test their medications. > > One of the tests became a bad one. The foreskin, on which it was > applied, wrinkled up instead of becoming younger. But the scientists > found a colony of living cells under the microscope among the dead > cells. They started studying them and discovered those cells did not > age at all! The further research indicated, the cells obtained the > double DNA structure. The miracle of nature was then tested on rats. > The rats were feeling very fine with the human flesh, while the > cells-mutants started an active reproduction process and filled all > test-tubes and bottles within the period of four years. > > The experimental period was over, it was about time to enter the > world market. The scientists established a firm to grow the > wonderful cells and they are going to make a perfect business on the > rejuvenation operations. The face, made of the foreskin cells will > not be ageing! This discovery is a revolutionary event in the field > of plastic surgery cosmetology. It is going to take quite a while > until this method becomes popular, though. But there is a problem: > the people with the anti-Semitic views. It will be very hard for > them to make up with the idea that your face is made of the pieces > of Jewish penises. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 13 16:39:26 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:10 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] more TRUTH Message-ID: <20011113163926.P28927@zork.net> http://english.pravda.ru/fun/2001/07/14/10063.html > The baboons, calling each other by names such as ?bottle juice? > would attack women at night, jumping on the roofs of their houses, > demanding food and Sex. If neither was provided, they stole the > women?s livestock. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Ben-cm at mepotelco.net Tue Nov 13 18:44:54 2001 From: Ben-cm at mepotelco.net (Ben-cm@mepotelco.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Specific Software Patents Message-ID: <200111132042843.SM00187@rcpt from ben-cm@mepotelco.net Howdy. Anyone have a list of the most disliked software patents, preferably including their number, country issued in, etc? I've been looking at patent law recently, and I'd like to see those patents to see how they did their claims, etc. Ben From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Nov 13 18:57:27 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Specific Software Patents Message-ID: <20011113185727.A15321@prometheus.embody.org> begin Ben-cm@mepotelco.net quotation: > Anyone have a list of the most disliked software patents, preferably > including their number, country issued in, etc? I've been looking at > patent law recently, and I'd like to see those patents to see how they > did their claims, etc. You might try poking around the stuff at http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Patents/. -md From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 13 19:20:38 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113110109.A14602@prometheus.embody.org> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011113110109.A14602@prometheus.embody.org> Message-ID: <20011113192038.K15060@zork.net> mike dillon writes: > begin Monkey Master quotation: > > It came to refer to unwanted mail when Cantor and Siegel posted the > > same message in every single newsgroup, REPOSTING EACH TIME so that > > you couldn't just kill a single message ID and be done with it. It > > didn't refer to the unwanted or commercial nature of their message, > > but rather the REPETITION. > > Hmmm... This Spamming Soldier of the North ("Miles" "Nordin", figure it > out, etymologists), has the email address . Carton being > an anagram of Cantor. It's "Canter", though: http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Canter_Siegel/ Anyway, [...] Anagrams found: 1. NECTAR 2. TRANCE 3. CRETAN [...] "All Cretans are spammers", er, ... -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 13 20:16:13 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113192038.K15060@zork.net>; from schoen@loyalty.org on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 07:20:38PM -0800 References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011113110109.A14602@prometheus.embody.org> <20011113192038.K15060@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011113221613.A32552@magic.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 07:20:38PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > mike dillon writes: > > begin Monkey Master quotation: > > > It came to refer to unwanted mail when Cantor and Siegel posted the > > > same message in every single newsgroup, REPOSTING EACH TIME so that > > > you couldn't just kill a single message ID and be done with it. It > > > didn't refer to the unwanted or commercial nature of their message, > > > but rather the REPETITION. > > > > Hmmm... This Spamming Soldier of the North ("Miles" "Nordin", figure it > > out, etymologists), has the email address . Carton being > > an anagram of Cantor. > > It's "Canter", though: SILENCE INSOLENT FOOL! > http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Canter_Siegel/ Haha, like we're supposed to be impressed by a WEB SITE. Those are always so incomplete that they're laughable, just look at all the biographies of Jane Austin that claim she was British, and not a Texan frontierswoman, and don't even mention her nickname. > Anyway, > > [...] > > Anagrams found: > 1. NECTAR > 2. TRANCE > 3. CRETAN I see you neglected the most important anagram: RCA NET This reflects the fact that all spammers collect component video cables, which is a rather little known fact. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 13 20:17:29 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <20011113135222.Z6899@dasbistro.com> References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi6tz2c.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011113135222.Z6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87668eugti.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SP" == Sam Phillips writes: SP> See I was wondering if you could do weird things in so SP> like for instance: SP> (define (check-for-third-thursday-in-november) SP> (some-stuff-that-I-cant-think-of-off-the-top-of-my-head)) SP> (define-pseudo beaujolais-nouveau SP> (check-for-third-thursday-in-november) (get-stinkers-drunk)) Hmm. So if one of the deps is a function, run the function and get the outcome? That's pretty good... and OH-SO-SCHEME! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 13 20:23:10 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TRUTH In-Reply-To: <20011113162724.O28927@zork.net> References: <20011113162724.O28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <871yj2ugk1.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: pravda> But there is a problem: the people with the anti-Semitic pravda> views. It will be very hard for them to make up with the pravda> idea that your face is made of the pieces of Jewish pravda> penises. This will be great, though! What are those dumb Russkies talking about? EVERYONE will look YOUNG and WONDERFUL and PENIS-Y except the anti-semite racist fuckheads! I mean, you won't have to wait for some guy next to you on the train to make some unsolicited Ben Stiller joke -- you can TELL that he's a racist bastard JUST BECAUSE HE'S OLD! And then you can stab him in the kidneys when he gets up for the bathroom! Beaujolais! ~Mr. Bad P.S. I remember a time when it was grounds for secret imprisonment to read Pravda on the sly in the U S of A. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ? ? * * * * * *??????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * ??????????????????????????????? ? * * * * * *??????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ? ? I'm proud to be an American ? Where at least I know I'm free! ? And I won't forget the men who died ? Who gave that right to me! And I'll gladly STAND! UP! next to you And defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land... God Bless the You Ess Ayyyyy! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * B U Y * W A R * B O N D S * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 13 21:45:18 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011113221613.A32552@magic.umn.edu> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011113110109.A14602@prometheus.embody.org> <20011113192038.K15060@zork.net> <20011113221613.A32552@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011113214518.O15060@zork.net> Brian D . Hicks writes: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 07:20:38PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > It's "Canter", though: > > SILENCE INSOLENT FOOL! > > > http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Canter_Siegel/ > > Haha, like we're supposed to be impressed by a WEB SITE. Those are > always so incomplete that they're laughable, just look at all the > biographies of Jane Austin that claim she was British, and not a Texan > frontierswoman, and don't even mention her nickname. That's not just any web site -- it used to be the fourth-most-linked-to web site in the world! > > Anyway, > > > > [...] > > > > Anagrams found: > > 1. NECTAR > > 2. TRANCE > > 3. CRETAN > > I see you neglected the most important anagram: RCA NET > This reflects the fact that all spammers collect component video cables, > which is a rather little known fact. The spammers are also even AT CERN, of all places, which suggests that they may have infiltrated the WWW and might be using it to gather e-mail addresses. In addition, the CARET N warns us that the problem of spam is growing exponentially. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From sneakums at zork.net Wed Nov 14 01:02:42 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Specific Software Patents In-Reply-To: <200111132042843.SM00187@rcpt from ben-cm@mepotelco.net (Ben-cm@mepotelco.net's message of "Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:44:54 -0600") Message-ID: <6ug07hzpvx.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Ben-cm quotation: > Message-Id: <200111132042843.SM00187@rcpt from ben-cm@mepotelco.net Whatever generated this Message-ID is broken. Fix it. -- "What you see is what you get, but it sure ain't what we need." -- Eamon de Valera From pawal at blipp.com Wed Nov 14 04:43:54 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood Message-ID: What is this? "Melbourne is committed to be the "Hollywood" for game developers in Australia" http://www.ad-rag.com/article.php?sid=478 -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-709580442 From neale at woozle.org Wed Nov 14 09:15:27 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Burger Time In-Reply-To: <87668eugti.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011112141204.R6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi78k2e.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011112222532.X6899@dasbistro.com> <87bsi6tz2c.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011113135222.Z6899@dasbistro.com> <87668eugti.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: I've been reading a little bit on Make this past week, so I figured I'd toss in what knowledge I've gleaned from it. Build systems typically work by constructing a directed acyclic graph, where nodes are build targets, and edges are dependencies. The build system will work in 3 steps: 1. Construct a DAG from the given rules 2. Go out and stat a bunch of files, assigning timestamps to nodes 3. Perform a topological sort of the DAG, and start building any node whose preceding node has a newer timestamp This system works particularly poorly with recursive invocations of make, since make doesn't construct a complete DAG. Programs like jam (which I recommend looking at if you're going to create a new build system) solve this problem by loading up every rules file before any targets are considered. The idea of having dependancies as functions is good, but why limit yourself? You can define build rules themselves as functions: (define-rule ((".out" ".rot13.out") (".in") (targets inputs)) (let ((out (interleave-files inputs)) (write-file (car targets) out) (write-file (cadr targets) (rot13 out))))) (depends '("file.out" "file.rot13.out") '("mergefile1.in" "mergefile2.in" "mergefile3.in")) Again, though, I'd recommend looking at jam , which allows even more flexibility, the extent of which I am still discovering. Neale From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 14 09:16:14 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] overheard on gale Message-ID: <20011114091614.Q28927@zork.net> To pub.me.ryan@ofb.net Fugu/1.1.7 Hrm. So I'm definitely quitting havenco in the next 6 months. I think I will do an ecash company (I will have cash and dividend income from havenco to finance it) I hope "second system effect" doesn't apply to startups. HavenCo is semi-successful and fairly reasonable; I'm afraid if I do a new company I will overengineer a lot of it. -- Ryan Lackey at 11-14 07:35:07 -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 14 09:42:28 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BEAUJOLAIS! Message-ID: <20011114094228.R28927@zork.net> http://pigdog.org/auto/beaujolais/link/2298.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 14 10:21:53 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [architeuthis@laughingsquid.org: SQUID [11/17] Proust Wake] Message-ID: <20011114102153.S28927@zork.net> Did I ever mention that I happen to have a COMIC BOOK RENDITION of Remembrance of Things Past? ----- Forwarded message from Laughing Squid ----- <===:<- <===:<- <===:<- The Squid List ->:===> ->:===> ->:===> Proust Wake Saturday, November 17th 6pm-1pm Free ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- The 79th Annual Wake for Marcel Proust will be held on Saturday, November 17th, 2001. Caffe Proust will have regular dinner service, including Proustian specials until 10pm. After 11pm, Monsieur Proust will lie in state. A eulogy will be given by Reverend Hal. Chamber music and other amusements anticipated. After the eulogy, the venerable writer will be sliced and eaten. Mourning attire keenly appreciated. 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All rights reserved. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 14 13:48:18 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011115084818.A22365@masher.homeip.net> > > What is this? > Distinctive polly speak. What is a 'tresurer' anyway? Everyone knows the centre of the gaming world is Brisbane! -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com "Karaoke bars combine two of the nation's greatest evils: people who shouldn't drink with people who shouldn't sing." -Tom Dreesen From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 14 13:53:57 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: How not to win a war.] Message-ID: <20011114135357.C20474@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: "cshl" LBJ: All right. We'll just go with it.... My answer [on whether to send the Marines] is yes. But my judgment is no. When are you going to issue the order? McNamara: We'll make it late today so it will miss some of the morning editions... I'll handle it in a way that will minimize the announcement. But there's going to be a lot of headlines on it when it comes out. LBJ [chuckles darkly]: You're telling me! -- Lyndon Johnson to Robert McNamara, on whether to escalate to using ground troops in Vietnam, March 6, 1965. From a just released set of tapes transcribed and published in Newsweek, November 12, 2001, from the upcoming book "Reaching For Glory" by Michael Beschloss. It also includes LBJ stating that even as he was committing troops to war that "I don't see any way of winning." ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 14 16:01:00 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Pencam redux Message-ID: <20011114160100.D20474@zork.net> Okay, so I got sick of explaining the relative merits of the various pencam models to people, so I put the notes in the HEADER.html of my pencam pictures index. See http://zork.net/~nick/pencampix/ for the full rundown and links to all the photos I've taken so far. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Nov 14 16:37:43 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Listnostalgiamania Message-ID: Oh, that Pigdog list is really killing my filters. Anyway - do you know if the Finnegans-L is still around (a very high traffic list about James Joyces classical but impossible-to-read novel)? I remember once discussing the design Svampen* with a Scottish priest on that list. I think we discussed it offlist, which makes it even worse I guess. What about Cyberia-L? And Future Culture or what its name was? Yes, Patrik - too much coffee tonight .-) Mikael *=Where the ISDN Rick Moen is installed _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Nov 14 16:48:53 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13.43 +0100 01-11-14, Patrik Wallstrom wrote: >What is this? >"Melbourne is committed to be the "Hollywood" for game developers in >Australia" >http://www.ad-rag.com/article.php?sid=478 "This speech ended with the official opening of AGDC 2001." It is hard not to think of an Australian rock band. Did you know that Angus Young was actually born in Scotland, but immigrated to Australia? No, I don't think it was because of criminal charges. I think the late Bon Scott also was Scottish, but went to Australia to join AC/DC. So tell me - what is the connection between AC/DC and the new haven for game developers, except of course for the obvious kangaroo connection? Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mdillon at standmed.com Wed Nov 14 16:51:42 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: ; from mikael@pawlo.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 01:48:53AM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20011114165141.A27945@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > So tell me - what is the connection between AC/DC and the new haven > for game developers, except of course for the obvious kangaroo > connection? Both Austria and AC/DC suck. HTH. HAND. -md From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Nov 14 16:57:19 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tongue lashing In-Reply-To: <20011111154740.B484@ajato.com.br> References: <20011109180115.I4782@zork.net> <20011109175658.B27343@prometheus.embody.org> <20011109180115.I4782@zork.net> Message-ID: At 15.47 -0200 01-11-11, Carlos Laviola wrote: >On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 06:01:15PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/newsid_1646000/1646912.stm >> > "My friends always said I had an incredibly long tongue - I could >> > make lots of money with it one day," said Annika. >I don't think she really understood what her friends meant with that. >Anyway, she has a brilliant career as a lizard ahead of her. If she had a really long tongue she could pose as two! m _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 14 20:02:50 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011115150250.A11041@perkypants.org> > So tell me - what is the connection between AC/DC and the new haven for > game developers, except of course for the obvious kangaroo connection? Your Mum. - Jeff -- "I think a lot of the basis of the open source movement comes from procrastinating students." - Andrew Tridgell From j.wender at science-computing.de Wed Nov 14 22:24:33 2001 From: j.wender at science-computing.de (Jan Wender) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BEAUJOLAIS! In-Reply-To: <20011114094228.R28927@zork.net> References: <20011114094228.R28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011115072433.A16351@leo.science-computing.de> On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 09:42:28AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://pigdog.org/auto/beaujolais/link/2298.html Yes, but your run-of-the-mill beaujolais contains up to 60% algerian red. Elbling! -- J.Wender@science-computing.de - Fon +4970719457-257 Fax-211 science+computing ag - Hagellocher Weg 71-75 - 72070 T?bingen I hope to die before I have to use Microsoft Word. (Donald E. Knuth, 2001-09-21 in Tuebingen) From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 15 06:52:49 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011115085249.Y6318@tastytronic.net> Quoting Miles Nordin: > I think there was more in the original Python skit. For one thing, > the ``customers'' were trying to have a conversation, but couldn't > because the waiters were singing the ``spam spam spam spam'' chorus > louder and louder. This mirrors the true secret fears behind the > complaints of ``excessive annoyance'' in the early days. > > The waiters sing exuberantly to express their joy in their job, of > _selling_ spam. They weren't waiters, they were a troop of vikings, sitting at the lunch counter. And I think they just loved spam in general -- they weren't selling it. In fact, the waitress could hardly read the menu to the customers because of the vikings. We could take this as a metaphor for the fact that real online retailers and services companies are drowned out by the spammers. But that would be taking this whole thing too seriously, so I suggest that you take the vikings for toasters, the waitress for a cucumber, and the customers for a ride in your magic bus. pedro From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 15 08:43:59 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Pencam redux In-Reply-To: <20011114160100.D20474@zork.net> References: <20011114160100.D20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011115104359.Z6318@tastytronic.net> Quoting Nick Moffitt: > Pencams have no removable storage, no flash, no viewfinder, and no > focus control at all. They are a dead-simple fixed-focus low-res > camera with 8M of fixed onboard storage and a USB port for getting the > images off. The software for driving the pencams is available here. Ok, by viewfinder do you mean an LCD on the back of the camera? Because the Trio clearly has a little "look through here" window for composition, which I would call a viewfinder (and you do later when talking about the limited feetchers of the II). To rephrase, the Trio does have a "viewfinder", which is the thing that you look through. But I assume that it does not have an LCD for looking at the pictures that you take until you upload them. Is that correct? pedro From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 15 10:53:28 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Pencam redux In-Reply-To: <20011115104359.Z6318@tastytronic.net> References: <20011114160100.D20474@zork.net> <20011115104359.Z6318@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011115105328.I20474@zork.net> begin Uncle Pedro quotation: > Quoting Nick Moffitt: > > Pencams have no removable storage, no flash, no viewfinder, and no > > focus control at all. They are a dead-simple fixed-focus low-res > > camera with 8M of fixed onboard storage and a USB port for getting > > the images off. The software for driving the pencams is available > > here. > > Ok, by viewfinder do you mean an LCD on the back of the camera? > Because the Trio clearly has a little "look through here" window for > composition, which I would call a viewfinder (and you do later when > talking about the limited feetchers of the II). Corrected. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From benb at fuckimesseditup.shit Wed Nov 14 20:22:51 2001 From: benb at fuckimesseditup.shit (benb@fuckimesseditup.shit) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] xp jamming Message-ID: sneakumsisawanker001@mail.mepotelco.net Hot off the presses.   maybe. Ben From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Nov 15 11:00:16 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] xp jamming Message-ID: <20011115110016.G2568@zgp.org> begin benb@fuckimesseditup.shit quotation of Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 10:22:51PM -0600: By XP, do you mean "cross-platform" or "extreme programming"? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From mdillon at standmed.com Thu Nov 15 11:12:30 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] xp jamming In-Reply-To: <20011115110016.G2568@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:00:16AM -0800 References: <20011115110016.G2568@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011115111230.A31277@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Don Marti quotation: > By XP, do you mean "cross-platform" or "extreme programming"? What about "K^XP radar", for which "XP radar jammers" are sold. -md From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Nov 15 12:19:58 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] xp jamming In-Reply-To: (benb@fuckimesseditup.shit's message of "Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:22:51 -0600") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "fool" == benb writes: fool> Original-message-id: sneakumsisawanker001@mail.mepotelco.net tell me about it, brother. fool's employer> Internet connection too slow for you??? yes. fool's employer> Are you tired of your phone line constantly being fool's employer> tied up?? YES!1!!111!!!! fool's employer> Consider........ fool's employer> DSL!ghtning!!! Thank you, Bumblefuck, Iowa telephone company! Please show me the benefits of this high-speed internet service that the whole family can enjoy. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From schoen at loyalty.org Thu Nov 15 16:14:17 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 8 November 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011109000135.W4782@zork.net> References: <20011109000135.W4782@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011115161417.S15060@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > "Really, the reason you see open source there at all > is because we came in and said there should be a platform > that's identical with millions and millions of machines." > > Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, on how he takes full > credit for creating his own worst nightmare, Seattle > Times, 8 November 2001 Everybody who's been making fun of this should go read p. 90 of _In the Beginning Was the Command Line_. Neal Stephenson agrees with Bill Gates! "[Linus] had to have cheap hardware on which to write that code. Cheap hardware is a much harder thing to arrange than cheap software. A single person (Stallman) can write software and put it up on the Net for free, but in order to make hardware it's necessary to have a whole industrial infrastructure, which is not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. Really the only way to make hardware cheap is to punch out an incredible number of copies of it, so that the unit cost eventually drops. For reasons already explained, Apple had no desire to see the cost of hardware drop. The only reason Torvalds had cheap hardware was Microsoft. Microsoft refused to go into the hardware business, insisted on making its software run on hardware that anyone could build, and thereby created the market conditions that allowed hardware prices to plummet. In trying to understand the Linux phenomnenon, then, we have to look not to a single innovator but to a sort of bizarre Trinity: Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, and Bill Gates. Take away any of these three and Linux would not exist." -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 15 16:35:05 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] TNICNALWB! Message-ID: <20011115163505.E20474@zork.net> It's the THIRD THURSDAY IN NOVEMBER, folks! That means it's , __ _ ____ /|/ \ o | | o (| \ | | __/ _ __, __ | | __, , | | __, | | \|/ / | | | | / \_|/ / | | / \_ _| |/ | | | | |(__/|__/\_/|_/ \_/|_/|/\__/ |__/\_/|_/|_/ \/ (/\___/ \_/|_/ \_/|/o /| /| \| \| Since I didn't get tickets to http://zork.net/~nick/pencampix/shoepolish/pencam015.jpeg Instead we're all havin' a blast at the LONDON WINE BAR! http://londonwinebar.com Be there from 6:30 to their painfully early closing time of NINE PEE EM (that's 21:00) to partake of the joyous BEAUJOLAIS NOUVEAU! Pigdogs will be there! It's at 415 Sansome, just off the Montgomery St subway station! Take BART and/or Muni and have yourself a blast! http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?&addr=415+sansome+st&csz=san+francisco Enjoy the glorious young French rotgut! THIS AIN'T NO SIPPIN WINE! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Thu Nov 15 17:40:30 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] THE MUSIC HATER In-Reply-To: <20011115161417.S15060@zork.net> Message-ID: Excerpt from: http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Babbage.html THE MUSIC HATER Lady Lovelace wrote that Babbage hated music. He tolerated its more exquisite forms, but abhorred it as practiced on the street. "Those whose minds are entirely unoccupied", he wrote with some seriousness in Observations of Street Nuisances in 1864, "receive [street music] with satisfaction, as filling up the vacuum of time". He calculated that 25% of his working power had been destroyed by street nuisances, many of them intentional. Letters to the Times and the eventual enforcement of "Babbage's Act", which would squelch street nuisances, made him the target of ridicule. The public tormented him with an unending parade of fiddlers, Punch-and-Judys, stilt-walkers, fanatic psalmists, and tub-thumpers. Some neighbors hired musicians to play outside his windows. Others willfully annoyed him with worn-out or damaged wind instruments. Placards were hung in local shops, abusing him. During one 80-day period Babbage counted 165 nuisances. One brass band played for five hours, with only a brief intermission. Another blew a penny tin whistle out his window toward Babbage's garden for a half and hour daily, for "many months". When Babbage went out, children followed and cursed him. Adults followed, too, but at a distance. Over a hundred people once skulked behind him before he could find a constable to disperse them. Dead cats and other "offensive materials" were thrown at his house. Windows were broken. A man told him, "You deserve to have your house burnt up, and yourself in it, and I will do it for you, you old villain". Even when he was on his deathbed, the organ-grinders ground implacably away. In Babbage's relation with "the Mob", we see is curious navet in matters social. Though he was far above the rabble - "not unknown" to the Duke of Wellington and Lord Ashley - he seemed unaware of it at times. He expected the same civility from a drunken brothel-keeper as he would from a gentleman. In 1860, the London of the multitudinous poor was far from gentle. Yet, in his ingenuousness, he could fathom neither bums nor bamboozlers. He would cross town to check the tale of a mendicant, and frequently was surprised to encounter deceit. Babbage once met a man who claimed not to have eaten for two days. Babbage invited him to breakfast. The next morning he called Babbage's house, claiming hard times. Eventually, the man hired on as a steward on a small West Indian ship. " A few evenings after the ship had supposed to have sailed, he called at my house", wrote Babbage, "apparently much agitated and stated that, in raising the anchor, an accident had happened, by which the captain's leg had been broken". Babbage later tried to verify this tale, but found his steward "had been living riotously at some public-house in another quarter, and had been continually drunk". Babbage never understood that the growth and crowdedness of London resulted from the industrial expansion he championed. By 1850 industry had taken over in Britain. "Many years before, I had purchased a house in a very quiet locality", he wrote in 1864. Then came a hackney stand, and beer shops and coffeehouses, and people. The din beneath his window, the German bands, the pickpockets, came with industry. The railroad and factory brought crowds to London, and with them came meanness and thievery. From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 15 17:45:59 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] From Gale Message-ID: <20011115174559.H20474@zork.net> To pub.gale.verisimilitude@ofb.net gsend/0.99egg jtr, can you change my pick too? i'm tired of fliping everyone off. try http://buckaroos.homestead.com/files/b-flyinmonkey.jpg (the one in the middle) -- Mr. E at 11-15 17:43:30 To pub.gale.verisimilitude@ofb.net gsend/0.99egg Unfortunately this picture does not meet my honesty in journalism requirements. -- John Reese at 11-15 17:44:27 To pub.gale.verisimilitude@ofb.net Fugu/1.1.7 Damn the journalistic integrity and full speed ahead! -- Nick Moffitt at 11-15 17:44:20 -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Nov 15 18:19:16 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 8 November 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011115161417.S15060@zork.net> (Seth David Schoen's message of "Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:14:17 -0800") References: <20011109000135.W4782@zork.net> <20011115161417.S15060@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "sds" == Seth David Schoen writes: sds> For reasons already explained, Apple had no desire to see the sds> cost of hardware drop. okay, although I usually don't defend inferior open-source software, I must grant your argument that, before the advent of the iCrap, Apple's hardware was more expensive than PeeCee hardware. But it wasn't enough more expensive to cripple the emerging useless-computers-for-everybody, grandma-wants-to-be-computer-literate insanity. The difference between a $100,000 Lisp workstation and a $5000 arcade game CPU with no MMU, is enough to change the world. The difference between a $5000 Macintosh with a 9" 1-bit screen and a $3000 PeeCee with EGA Graphics and a clicking Charles Babbage keyboard, is purely a matter of taste. Hop in your time machine and go back to the 80's. Ask anyone, ``PeeCee or Mac'', and they won't tell you, ``Macintoshes are just too expensive for the working man, and aren't practical outside the guvment/academia/industrial megaplex.'' Part of what's going on here is that there are just more people on the planet. Which factor do you think is more important: an increase in the number of warm bodies with wealth and inclination to buy junky computing machinery, or Microsoft's cramming a bit into the mouth of a whithered old donkey and riding the pathetic hee-hawing beast to ``victory''? Also, remember that back in The Day, our brown-skinned brothers in Taiwan and Korea were hitching Karabou to plows and eating rice with their fingers, and now they drive Volvos and operate factories of stunning elegance and precision. I venture that Gates is not the third member of the Trinity. Rather, it is the Pope, and his medieval ideas about birth control. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 16 01:53:08 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais Night 2001 Message-ID: <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> So I've learned from previous nights not to write about the night after the daemons of Hang Over set in. We started out drinking bottle after bottle of Beaujolais Nouveau. The Kakao Chuova and the X and the Johnyy Royale and the Siduri and all the otehr folks made for drunkeness and pate' and fun and drinking and laughter and BEAUJOLAIS! But then comes closing time at 9pm, a time when most pigdog nights don't ebven get started, so we move on to the leopard bard wor hwatever it's called I still have the business card ob man what a lecherous bartender. Shannon won him over with her Scots Irish name and some of the party left to do their own gettin' it on. But time moves forward and the drunk leaves all good souls and the gimlets didn't last forevr before th place closed an even though liquor pig was there we had to move to the place in 2 embarcadero where CRAZY SF GUY was there telling us "Listen Jimmy, the point is to get your Uncle to pay off mobvsters to kill people for you you goddamn pricks." and we chattedn and acted like knowitalls to keep this guy from becominga total mutant and slaying everyone in the bar. So I promised pancakes to those that were left (siduri, johnny royale, liquor pig, and myself) and we all meandered to market st (my god, did I actually smoke a clove? I don't smoke!) and went to It's Tops where we acted like bastardos and annoyed the whole place until everyone filed out and we ate our pancakes and everyone went to crash at siduri's except me. I suspect they are all enjoying warm sake and the fruitful memories of the first beaujolais night of the third millennium. It's one of the most successful pigdog nights in a long time, and you're all fuckwads for not being in on the actions. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Fri Nov 16 05:42:25 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais Night 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> References: <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011117004225.A32546@anu.edu.au> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 01:53:08AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > So I've learned from previous nights not to write about the night > after the daemons of Hang Over set in. .. > I suspect they are all enjoying warm sake and the fruitful memories of > the first beaujolais night of the third millennium. It's one of the > most successful pigdog nights in a long time, and you're all fuckwads > for not being in on the actions. > I'll see you in the MORNING, buster. BRIGHT AND EARLY. I'll send around the Sousaband (do they even have bands full of Sousaphones these days?) to wake you up. HA HA HA. I wasn't in on the actions, but at least I am still in action. Regards, and safely drinking vodka 3 feet away from his bed, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Nov 16 09:40:16 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011115085249.Y6318@tastytronic.net> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011115085249.Y6318@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011116094016.Y16659@linuxmafia.com> begin Peter A. Peterson II quotation: > They weren't waiters, they were a troop of vikings, sitting at the > lunch counter. I protest! Those were peaceful farmers, on a mission of cultural exchange. The longboats and spears were just for taking care of community barbecue logistics. -- Cheers, The Viking's Reminder: Rick Moen Pillage first, _then_ burn. rick@linuxmafia.com From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 16 09:39:45 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais Night 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> References: <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011116093945.L20474@zork.net> Well, I managed to make a bumbling fool of myself last night, but not an intolerable ass. I hereby declare beaujolais night a success! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Nov 16 11:02:02 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011116094016.Y16659@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011115085249.Y6318@tastytronic.net> <20011116094016.Y16659@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011116130202.H6318@tastytronic.net> Quoting Rick Moen: > I protest! Those were peaceful farmers, on a mission of cultural > exchange. The longboats and spears were just for taking care of > community barbecue logistics. ELAD. pedro From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Nov 16 11:08:20 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais Night 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011116093945.L20474@zork.net> References: <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> Message-ID: At 09.39 -0800 01-11-16, Monkey Master wrote: >Well, I managed to make a bumbling fool of myself last night, but not >an intolerable ass. I hereby declare beaujolais night a success! No streaming video? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 16 11:06:41 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011116130202.H6318@tastytronic.net> References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011115085249.Y6318@tastytronic.net> <20011116094016.Y16659@linuxmafia.com> <20011116130202.H6318@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011116110641.O20474@zork.net> begin Uncle Pedro quotation: > Quoting Rick Moen: > > I protest! Those were peaceful farmers, on a mission of cultural > > exchange. The longboats and spears were just for taking care of > > community barbecue logistics. > > ELAD. ENOSHEEP -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 16 11:09:45 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais Night 2001 In-Reply-To: References: <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> <20011116015308.I20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011116110945.P20474@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > At 09.39 -0800 01-11-16, Monkey Master wrote: > >Well, I managed to make a bumbling fool of myself last night, but not > >an intolerable ass. I hereby declare beaujolais night a success! > > No streaming video? http://ftp.archive.org/movies/divx/31221.avi http://ftp.archive.org/movies/mpeg2/31221.mpg (the avi is 42M, and free software can't play the audio. the mpeg is like 400M, and works on any unix) -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Nov 16 11:17:06 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:11 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: <20011115150250.A11041@perkypants.org> References: Message-ID: At 15.02 +1100 01-11-15, Jeff Waugh wrote: >> So tell me - what is the connection between AC/DC and the new haven for >> game developers, except of course for the obvious kangaroo connection? >Your Mum. A Koala walks into a bar. A hooker comes up to the Koala and says, "hey hairy, want a date?" The Koala says sure, and they sit in a booth in the corner. The hooker and the Koala start to get-it-on and end up with the Koala performing oral sex on the hooker. Afterwards the hooker tries to get her money, but the Koala refuses. "Hey," says the hooker, "don't you know the definition of a hooker?" And the Koala says, "No, sorry, I don't." And the hooker says, "it's someone who has sex for money." And the Koala says, "Well I guess you don't know the definition of a Koala." "What's that?" asks the hooker. "An animal that eats bushes and leaves." M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 16 11:27:51 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Two hops Message-ID: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/oracle/movielinks?firstname=Brian+Behlendorf&secondname=Wil+Wheaton&using=1&game=0 > Wil Wheaton was in Secret of NIMH, The (1982) with Shannen Doherty > Shannen Doherty was in Nowhere (1997) with Rachel True > Rachel True was in Groove (2000) with Brian Behlendorf -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 16 11:29:07 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Protus IP Solutions, Business Communications - Simplified. In-Reply-To: <20011116110641.O20474@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:06:41 -0800") References: <20011113125524.E27366@tastytronic.net> <20011113104415.A28927@zork.net> <20011115085249.Y6318@tastytronic.net> <20011116094016.Y16659@linuxmafia.com> <20011116130202.H6318@tastytronic.net> <20011116110641.O20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <6ug07ems58.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Uncle Pedro quotation: >> Quoting Rick Moen: >> > I protest! Those were peaceful farmers, on a mission of cultural >> > exchange. The longboats and spears were just for taking care of >> > community barbecue logistics. >> ELAD. > > ENOSHEEP ENOBYRNE -- "I don't care what you say. I'm right and you're wrong." -- Eamon de Valera From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Nov 16 11:30:47 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Two hops In-Reply-To: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> References: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011116113046.A18474@prometheus.embody.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/oracle/movielinks?firstname=Brian+Behlendorf&secondname=Wil+Wheaton&using=1&game=0 > > Wil Wheaton was in Secret of NIMH, The (1982) with Shannen Doherty !?! WHAT YOU SAY !?! -md From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 16 11:40:08 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Wil Wheaton In-Reply-To: <20011116113046.A18474@prometheus.embody.org> References: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> <20011116113046.A18474@prometheus.embody.org> Message-ID: <20011116114008.T20474@zork.net> begin mike dillon quotation: > !?! WHAT YOU SAY !?! Wil Wheaton has a Brian Behlendorf number of 3. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Nov 16 12:11:19 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Wil Wheaton In-Reply-To: <20011116114008.T20474@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 11:40:08AM -0800 References: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> <20011116113046.A18474@prometheus.embody.org> <20011116114008.T20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011116121119.A4432@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Monkey Master quotation: > Wil Wheaton has a Brian Behlendorf number of 3. I was more taken aback by the fact that Shannen Doherty has a Wil Wheaton number of 1! I haven't seen _The Secret of NIMH_ since i was young, and they were only voice roles since it was a cartoon, but still! It almost makes my skin crawl. Also interesting, from IMDB: 34. Last Starfighter, The (1984) (scenes deleted) .... Louis' Friend So, Wil Wheaton wasn't in _The Last Starfighter_. Neither was i. -md From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 16 13:43:54 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Ejaculating hippos floating in my mind Message-ID: <20011116134354.W20474@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- http://www.studentmagazine.com/thisweek/thisweek_article.asp?articleID=213 Zoo sperm bank worker Mohd. Binatang bin Goncang wins "Worst Job in Singapore". Wildlife Reserves Singapore (WRS), which runs the Singapore Zoo,has set up a bank of sperm and animal tissue in order to help preserve species. The thankless task of collecting the sperm falls to Mr. Binatang's, starting his rounds at 4 a.m. "We start so early in the morning because a lot of the animals have 'morning glory' when they wake up, and it's easier to collect the sperm. Wearing rubber gloves and carrying a cooler box filled with ice and tupperware, Mr. Binatang, 25, told us that he'd just graduated from Singapore Polytechnic with a diploma in life sciences. He liked nature and animals, and thought that the Singapore Zoo would be the perfect place to work. "I never thought I'd be giving an orang-utan a hand job every morning," he said somewhat ruefully. "And he is the worst, he expects to be kissed first. "As we approached the orang-utan enclosure, we saw the Zoo's most famous resident lying casually on his back, hands behind his head, and sporting a huge erection. Applying the massage oil onto his gloves, he lingered outside the enclosure before entering and knelt before the orange beast. About 2 minutes' worth of squelching noises could be heard before Mr.Binatang emerged again. Next the tiger enclosure, the big cats were sprawled lazily on the grass verge, in a somewhat half-hearted manner as he put on a fresh set of gloves and entered the enclosure. "Here, kitty, kitty,kitty..." Moments later, he emerged with several tupperware full of viscous fluid. "Isn't it dangerous?" we asked. Mr. Binatang was silent for a while. "They know I'm not there as an enemy," he finally said, a glazed, faraway look in his eyes. Worked his way round the zoo, finished his rounds at 3 pm in the afternoon. Carrying out his duties with the tapirs, the rhinoceros, giraffe and the gorillas, amongst others. "Each animal is different," he said, removing his gloves, now speckled with traces of polar bear spunk. "The chimpanzees always want to be hugged afterwards. The elephant is the most tricky because of the size of its thing... sometimes I have to use both my arms to tug on it." "As you can expect it's really affecting my sex life. I can't help it. Each time my wife initiates sex, these ejaculating hippos keep floating through my mind." How long will he stay difficult to know, but deputy assistant director Lai Jee Seow thinks it is important to continue. "It's because the animals have gotten too used to Binatang coming over every morning to pull them off," said "Many of them now can't be bothered to engage in real sex." by Kway Png ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Nov 16 13:54:11 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Ejaculating hippos floating in my mind In-Reply-To: <20011116134354.W20474@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 01:43:54PM -0800 References: <20011116134354.W20474@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011116165411.L62921@samurai.com> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 01:43:54PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- > http://www.studentmagazine.com/thisweek/thisweek_article.asp?articleID=213 This is so six months ago. http://samurai.com/lists/bryans-list-2001/0277.html Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 16 15:23:06 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spam me with m4, baby. Message-ID: <20011116152306.X20474@zork.net> Spam is getting better all the time! ----- Forwarded message from Stan Hildahl ----- Envelope-to: refund@zork.net From: Stan Hildahl SUBJECT: All rights reserved. # Copyright X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:53:25 -0700 (MST) To: undisclosed-recipients:; Copyright (c) 1988, 1993 # The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. # # By using this file, you agree to the terms and conditions set # forth in the LICENSE file which can be found at the top level of # the sendmail distribution. # # divert(0) VERSIONID(`@(#)linux.m4 8.7 (Berkeley) 5/19/1998') define(`LOCAL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl define(`LOCAL_MAILER_FLAGS',`ShP')dnl define(`LOCAL_MAILER_ARGS',`procmail -a $h -d $u')dnl define(`QUEUE_DIR', /var/spool/mqueue)dnl ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From aaronl at vitelus.com Fri Nov 16 17:15:42 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Wil Wheaton In-Reply-To: <20011116121119.A4432@lxbox3.standmed.int> References: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> <20011116113046.A18474@prometheus.embody.org> <20011116114008.T20474@zork.net> <20011116121119.A4432@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011116171542.A650@vitelus.com> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:11:19PM -0800, mike dillon wrote: > I haven't seen _The Secret of NIMH_ since i was young, and they were > only voice roles since it was a cartoon, but still! It almost makes > my skin crawl. The Terrible Secret of Nickel-Metal Hydrate is out! From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 16 17:19:58 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Wil Wheaton In-Reply-To: <20011116171542.A650@vitelus.com> (Aaron Lehmann's message of "Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:15:42 -0800") References: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> <20011116113046.A18474@prometheus.embody.org> <20011116114008.T20474@zork.net> <20011116121119.A4432@lxbox3.standmed.int> <20011116171542.A650@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <6uy9l619dt.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Aaron Lehmann quotation: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:11:19PM -0800, mike dillon wrote: >> I haven't seen _The Secret of NIMH_ since i was young, and they >> were only voice roles since it was a cartoon, but still! It almost >> makes my skin crawl. > > The Terrible Secret of Nickel-Metal Hydrate is out! HYDRIDE, you goddamn clown. -- "Step out of line and you'll end up in jail." -- Eamon de Valera From aaronl at vitelus.com Fri Nov 16 17:21:12 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Wil Wheaton In-Reply-To: <6uy9l619dt.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011116112751.Q20474@zork.net> <20011116113046.A18474@prometheus.embody.org> <20011116114008.T20474@zork.net> <20011116121119.A4432@lxbox3.standmed.int> <20011116171542.A650@vitelus.com> <6uy9l619dt.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011116172112.B650@vitelus.com> On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 01:19:58AM +0000, Sean Neakums wrote: > HYDRIDE That secret is far less terrifying. From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 16 19:31:18 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] hack-pit Message-ID: <20011116193118.C18697@zork.net> In 1998, I set up the crackmonkey mailing list. This was easy for me to do, because I had already installed mailing list software to run another list. That list was hack-pit@zork.net. At the prompting of Don Marti, I have resurrected the hack-pit list: http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/hack-pit As Don Marti said in gale earlier today: > To pub.rfc@ofb.net gsend/0.99egg > The hack-pit is the idea of getting back the features that the > free software community lost when we went from terminals to > microcomputers -- single system image with explorable home > directories, shared backup, write to another user's terminal and > so on. > > We knew from experience that the essence of communal > computing, as supplied by remote-access, time-shared > machines, is not just to type programs into a terminal > instead of a keypunch, but to encourage close > communication. -- Dennis Ritchie > > -- Donald B Marti Jr. at 11-16 14:48:51 -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mark at symonds.net Sat Nov 17 20:39:20 2001 From: mark at symonds.net (Mark Symonds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites Message-ID: <20011117203920.A24361@symonds.net> Qmites REALLY appear to hate Rick Moen's FAQ! I pasted some of it to systalk@dhs.org, generating the following response: -----BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE----- On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 10:00:56PM -0800, Mark Symonds pasted: > Daniel J. Bernstein's qmail / ezmlm / djbdns / tinydns / publicfile > / ucspi-tcp / daemontools / etc. package is the best of its kind, > and is free / open-source software. it is open source software. anyone who says otherwise is a hypocritical moron (like redhat, who will package closed-source netscape, but won't package qmail) > Prof. Bernstein's software is, first of all, pervaded by a > bloody-minded disregard for the rest of the world, e.g., qmail's > trait (in earlier versions) of attempting to cram as much SMTP mail > as possible down recipient systems' throats, which was notorious for > crashing destination mail systems (and thus pioneered the art of > mail delivery as a Denial of Service attack), and his publicfile and > anonftpd ftp servers' demented EPLF text output. this is a very stupid conclusion to draw from the fact that qmail is the fastest thing out there. is he suggesting that qmail should slow itself up because other mail servers aren't written properly, and thus can't handle delivering large volumes of mail? Denial of service attacks only really work if a system is misconfigured and attempts to answer tons of requests that it can't handle. The system's upstream should drop excess traffic that the connection can't handle, so legitimate traffic will be slowed, but not denied. > Second, it is characterised by insanely wrong design, e.g., qmail's > insistence that binary packages must install all files including > libraries, binaries, and configuration files within /var/qmail, > and the default alias database being ... djb is simply insisting that his software be installed properly. it works well the way that he sets it up, and doing anything else might break it. i have seen debian packages that are broken because the original author didn't insist that it be set up properly and people re-package it badly. this reflects badly on the original author and the orignal software. i think it's an understandable request of djb to make of packagers. not to mention the fact that djb has a standing offer up of $1000 cash to anyone who finds a security issue with qmail. no one has taken him up on that yet, and i think that says a lot. allowing people to change qmail and re-package it as qmail without djb's 'OK' would damage qmail's reputation. > scattered among myriad tiny text files inside /var/qmail/aliases, all > with names starting with the string ".qmail-". (Nope, DJB-acolytes, > I _do_ know all about fastforward. As usual, you are missing the point, > that one must hunt down and add this as a modification and add-on to > qmail proper.) This gaggle of tiny files and their naming convention, > alone, will drive any sysadmin to drink, in short order. as has been mentioned on this list before, the small files make qmail more secure because there is no need for a complex parser. > But the clincher is his licensing. You will find that Bernstein software > typically contains a copyright statement but no licence text whatsoever. > Bernstein cannot possibly be unaware that this creates problems for free / > open-source software users, preventing them from ... as i have mentioned, netscape came not only as an option, but pre-installed on almost every linux distribution to date, although it is now being replaced with mozilla. netscape's licensing is far more harsh than qmail's, and it's not even open sourced. how does that make sense? -Fred PS: i thought we were talking about procmail or something.. how did this turn into a dispute over qmail's licensing? -- Fred Smith http://dividedsky.net/ RPI Computer Science RPI-ACM From dmarti at zgp.org Sat Nov 17 22:58:22 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? Message-ID: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> If you send spam intrusively and try to justify it, or have your lawyer send a nasty letter, your name gets on the web. Since many people who don't like spam or lawyer letters have much Google Juice, "[your name] is a spammer and a son of a bitch" pages start to come up pretty high when people search on your name. I don't really know the point of this except either (1) be good to other people or (2) make up a new handle when you want to be an asshole. ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:21:31 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Spammer replies: "Consequential and more severe actions will now be initiated" To: politech@politechbot.com Cc: jimhobuss@home.com, mfraase@farces.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Sender: owner-politech@politechbot.com Reply-To: declan@well.com X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ X-Author: Declan McCullagh is at http://www.mccullagh.org/ X-News-Site: Cluebot is at http://www.cluebot.com/ I invited Jim Hobuss (the alleged censorhappy spammer) to reply to the list, and he took me up on my offer. Previous message: "Spammer threatens to sue writer over article mocking him" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02813.html -Declan --- From: "Jim Hobuss" To: "'Declan McCullagh'" Subject: RE: "Spammer threatens to sue writer over article mocking him" Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:26:49 -0800 I don't know you, and I don't know what your interest is in this. What I do know is the following: 1) The email sent to Fraase originally, which he refers to as spam, was not illegal. It included valid contact information, and remove instructions. 2) The snippets of email Fraase includes on the referenced Web page he posted are fabrications of the actual correspondence that occurred between us. 3) The name-calling and character bashing Fraase includes on his site present a situation for him where he is culpible for disruption of business, slander, and defamation of character. 4) My attorney sent Fraase a letter, again which he misrepresented, seeking immediate removal of the onerous Web page. 5) Fraase is continuing his beligerance in this matter. Therefore, consequential and more severe actions will now be initiated and followed through to conclusion. An acceptable conclusion is no longer a removal of the Web page. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sun Nov 18 03:15:29 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? In-Reply-To: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Don Marti wrote: > I don't really know the point of this except either (1) be good > to other people or (2) make up a new handle when you want to be > an asshole. Spamming will continue unless you start exemplarily execute particularly obnoxious spammers and other vermin in physical space. Me, I'm really surprised Freiherr von Gravenreuth is still alive. It really shows people are either 1) generally nice 2) gut and spineless. I've spent the last 3 weeks full-imersion in Russia, and I can't say I like the street justice type of 2). From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sun Nov 18 04:47:51 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Wil Wheaton In-Reply-To: <20011116171542.A650@vitelus.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:11:19PM -0800, mike dillon wrote: > > I haven't seen _The Secret of NIMH_ since i was young, and they were > The Terrible Secret of Nickel-Metal Hydrate is out! It's hydride. From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Nov 18 08:57:52 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? In-Reply-To: References: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011118085752.A21804@zgp.org> begin Eugene Leitl quotation of Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 12:15:29PM +0100: > Spamming will continue unless you start exemplarily execute particularly > obnoxious spammers and other vermin in physical space. Or until national governments start sneaking in mandatory mail server licensing as an "anti-spam" measure, or everyone gets on some kind of blacklist... Jim Hobuss is an asshole -- but how much freedom are people willing to give up to put an annoyance out of business? http://www.toad.com/gnu/verio-censorship.html http://www.hackvan.com/pub/stig/etext/lawrence-lessig--the-spam-wars--vigilantes-and-accountability.txt -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Nov 18 15:18:37 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? In-Reply-To: <20011118085752.A21804@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 11:57:52 -0500 References: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> <20011118085752.A21804@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011118181837.C12832@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Greeting Sir Don It doesn't take an los of privacy to end spam. It doesn't take any electronic restrictions. All these spammers have contact points in real business - right. That's why they're spamming. All you have to to do is slap a $20,000 fine PER SPAM on the business promoting the spam, and span would die VERY FAST. And it would be a big fund raiser for locl governments. Ruben On 2001.11.18 11:57:52 -0500 Don Marti wrote: >>begin Eugene Leitl quotation of Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 12:15:29PM +0100: >> >>> Spamming will continue unless you start exemplarily execute >>particularly >>> obnoxious spammers and other vermin in physical space. >> >>Or until national governments start sneaking in mandatory mail >>server licensing as an "anti-spam" measure, or everyone gets on >>some kind of blacklist... >> >>Jim Hobuss is an asshole -- but how much freedom are people willing >>to give up to put an annoyance out of business? >> >>http://www.toad.com/gnu/verio-censorship.html >> >>http://www.hackvan.com/pub/stig/etext/lawrence-lessig--the-spam-wars--vigilantes-and-accountability.txt >> >>-- >>Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? >>Now! >>http://zgp.org/~dmarti >>dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all >>GIFs. >>KG6INA >>http://burnallgifs.org/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks >>http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey >> -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/annie.mp3 - Armed and Dangerous.... 1-718-382-5752 From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Nov 18 16:26:12 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011117203920.A24361@symonds.net> References: <20011117203920.A24361@symonds.net> Message-ID: <20011118162612.F16659@linuxmafia.com> begin Mark Symonds quotation: > Qmites REALLY appear to hate Rick Moen's FAQ! I'm a little disappointed that so few take the attitude that would seem natural for Qmail fans: "Sure, it's proprietary, but it's under generous terms that we find amenable. Too bad this guy doesn't like its design and defaults: That's what makes horse races." It would be less disreputable than all this special pleading and non-sequitur argumentation. Mark quoted Fred Smith from some other mailing list: > it is open source software. anyone who says otherwise is a > hypocritical moron (like redhat, who will package closed-source > netscape, but won't package qmail) Non sequitur. And you'll observe one of the characteristic traits of DJB acolytes: They think the term "open source" should mean whatever's convenient for them, and include software for which nobody may distribute modified source tarballs if the copyright holder dies or loses interest (such that it might be maintained thereafter only via patches). > this is a very stupid conclusion to draw from the fact that qmail is > the fastest thing out there. Non sequitur, unresponsive, and, of course, that was _not_ my premise. And, of couse, he's ignoring my broader point that there's a common thread among most of the man's software of Not Playing Well with Others. > djb is simply insisting that his software be installed properly. Note, again: Other people's criteria for proper system architecture be damned, DJB's is the One True Way, because he and his acolytes say so. > not to mention the fact that djb has a standing offer up of $1000 cash > to anyone who finds a security issue with qmail. no one has taken him > up on that yet, and i think that says a lot. allowing people to > change qmail and re-package it as qmail without djb's 'OK' would > damage qmail's reputation. Non sequitur. Unless we're honestly supposed to believe that putting conf files in /etc/, libs in /usr/lib, etc., is going to cause security failures. > as has been mentioned on this list before, the small files make qmail > more secure because there is no need for a complex parser. Non sequitur. > as i have mentioned, netscape came not only as an option, but > pre-installed on almost every linux distribution to date, although it > is now being replaced with mozilla. Non sequitur. -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 18 17:20:50 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011118172050.D18697@zork.net> Get out. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- matt@froup.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Nov 18 16:54:35 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011118162612.F16659@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011117203920.A24361@symonds.net> <20011118162612.F16659@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011119115435.E5196@perkypants.org> > Non sequitur. > > Non sequitur, unresponsive, and, of course, that was _not_ my premise. > > Non sequitur. > > Non sequitur. > > Non sequitur. WELCOME TO CRACKMONKEY! I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY! - Jeff -- "Trying to get a PC to analyse one of the most abstract forms of language - the poem - is like trying to drill for oil with a banana." - The Register From rob at terizla.org Sun Nov 18 18:48:43 2001 From: rob at terizla.org (Rob Latham) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011021171357.S9581@zork.net> References: <20011021171357.S9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011118214843.E9023@terizla.org> Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) said: > Get out. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > rob@terizla.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- So it's been a few weeks now, and i've gotten to see how other new subscribers are treated. I just wanted to say that i think my welcome was far too tame and mild. i was expecting "ad hominem attacks" and quite a bit more bile than "get out". i mean, "get out" is rather.... overused, having been the catch phrase of the haunted house in the simpsons treehouse of horror I. ( well that, and "die die, everybody die", which might also be apropriate for the crackmonkey ml ) If you like, i can indeed 'get out', but when i come right back in, i'd better get something a bit more tastey than before. Thanks ==rob -- Rob Latham: linux A-Team Allentown, PA USA EAE8 DE90 85BB 526F 3181 1FCF 51C4 B6CB 08CC 0897 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Nov 18 20:08:36 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011118214843.E9023@terizla.org> References: <20011021171357.S9581@zork.net> <20011118214843.E9023@terizla.org> Message-ID: <20011118200836.J18697@zork.net> begin Rob Latham quotation: > i mean, "get out" is rather.... overused, having been the catch > phrase of the haunted house in the simpsons treehouse of horror I. ( > well that, and "die die, everybody die", which might also be > apropriate for the crackmonkey ml ) Sorry, I don't follow The Star Track. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Sun Nov 18 20:45:50 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011118172050.D18697@zork.net> References: <20011118172050.D18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119154549.A1013@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Nick Moffitt wrote: >Get out. You're getting soft. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg what we need is either less corruption, or more chance to participate in it From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Nov 18 20:55:41 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011119154549.A1013@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011118172050.D18697@zork.net> <20011119154549.A1013@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011118205541.M18697@zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > You're getting soft. Keep stroking. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Nov 18 20:35:29 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011118205541.M18697@zork.net> References: <20011118172050.D18697@zork.net> <20011119154549.A1013@willow.spacepants.org> <20011118205541.M18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119153529.H5196@perkypants.org> > > You're getting soft. > > Keep stroking. That's not his hand. - Jeff -- "If you want to start a debate on a subject, however, all that seems to be necessary is to involve perennial target Richard Gooch." - LWN From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Nov 19 07:10:02 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fw: HUMOR: Clueless Users Network Test System [was HUMOR: Removal](fwd) Message-ID: ----- Forwarded message from Rich Kulawiec ----- From: Rich Kulawiec Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:05:54 -0500 To: SPAM-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM Subject: HUMOR: Clueless Users Network Test System [was HUMOR: Removal] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 04:43:47PM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Maybe it's time to bring back the Clueless Users Network Test System. Since half a dozen people have already asked, and more will -- here's a blast from the Usenet past, October 1992 to be exact. ---Rsk p.s. They did, in fact, "bleat like sheep". > From: ee.ryerson.ca!sizone!no_new_taxes (Read My Lips) > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:29:59 -0400 > Subject: Are you a clueless mailing list reader? > > > From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) > > To: nm-list@reef.cis.ufl.edu > > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:35:27 -0400 > > Attacking Deep Structure writes: > > | MJM -- I have an idea. Why don't you create a new list to which any > | person who sends a subscribe/unsubscribe message to a list proper > | will be added, in addition to having his request fulfilled? This > | way, a list will slowly be built up of people who simply have no clue > | about how mailing lists work. > | > | Each day, a daemon will send a message out to everyone on the list, saying > | something like, "You have been automatically added to this list because > | you are an ignorant dipshit. There is no one watching this list; the > | only way you can become unsubscribed is to figure out the Internet > | standard for issuing control messages to mailing lists. If you had > | followed proper etiquette to begin with, you would not now be on this > | list. Later, d00d." > | > | This public service list would be available to all list maintainers, > | and would have a conspicuous normal address like > | "dumb-fuckers-sender." The brainless sods who were subscribed could > | bleat like sheep to each other as they sent mail to the list trying to > | get unsubscribed. I'm sure it would sustain itself quite nicely after > | it had been operational for about a day and a half. > | > | This is a serious request. > > I've done it. clueless@mantis.co.uk, the Clueless Users Network Test > System (aka the Clueless Users Mailing List). To subscribe, forge > mail from the guilty party saying > > subscribe clueless > > and send it to clueless-request@mantis.co.uk. He can then happily reply > to the regular mail messages, and have his replies sent to everyone else on > the list. He can also send lots of "UNSUB CLUELESS" messages to > clueless@mantis.co.uk and have them forwarded too. Eventually he'll > discover the right way to unsubscribe. > > The regular mail message reads: > > > From: clueless@mantis.co.uk > > To: clueless@mantis.co.uk > > Subject: Welcome, clueless user! > > > > Welcome to the Clueless Users Network Test System, an intelligence test > > for the ignorant and impolite. > > > > You have been automatically added to this mailing list because you sent a > > subscription request like "UNSUB ME" out to the entire readership of a > > mailing list, instead of sending it to the list server or list maintainer. > > > > There is nobody of worth reading this mailing list. The only way you can > > become unsubscribed is to figure out the standard way of unsubscribing > > from an Internet mailing list. Until that time, you will get these > > messages regularly. > > > > If you made an innocent mistake in sending your "UNSUB ME" out to the > > entire list, then you will know how to unsubscribe from this list > > immediately and no harm will be done. > > > > If, on the other hand, you simply have no clue how to deal with mailing > > lists, you'd better start reading up on the subject before you go > > blundering around again. Your attention is cordially drawn to the > > newsgroups news.announce.newusers, news.newusers.questions, and > > news.answers. > > > > Final hint: the mailing list address is clueless@mantis.co.uk. > > > > Have fun. ----- End forwarded message ----- From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 19 09:13:12 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011119091312.X18697@zork.net> What the fuck is GMX? Some evil Swiss pharmaceutical company? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- antonline@gmx.ch has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 19 09:13:40 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011119091340.Y18697@zork.net> Oh look. An Icelandic transplant among the sinewy Dutch. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- tiarnan.o'corrain@cmg.nl has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 19 09:14:05 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011119091405.Z18697@zork.net> GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- daniel@pyro.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 19 09:50:12 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? In-Reply-To: <20011118181837.C12832@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> <20011118085752.A21804@zgp.org> <20011118181837.C12832@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011119095012.B15072@zgp.org> begin Ruben Safir quotation of Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 06:18:37PM -0500: > That's why they're spamming. All you have to to do is slap a $20,000 fine > PER SPAM on the business promoting the spam, and span would die VERY FAST. > And it would be a big fund raiser for locl governments. Cool, if you want to put a company out of business just jump on their 802.11b network and spam all the lawyers and sysadmins in the world. (I have never received any deliberately "false flag" spam -- but I have received spam sent on behalf of a company whose marketing director was told that he was paying to sponsor a web site.) Most spam isn't for a legit business at all -- it's from some schmuck in Florida who bought a "multi-level marketing" package from a previous spam, and doesn't _have_ the 20 grand. A backhoe trench along the Florida state line would help, IMHO. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 19 09:56:17 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011118162612.F16659@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011117203920.A24361@symonds.net> <20011118162612.F16659@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011119095617.C15072@zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 04:26:12PM -0800: > Non sequitur. Hey, Mr. Logic Man, can you debate the oh-so-logical Greg Aharonian about software patents? Not only am I no Mr. Spock, I know _no_ logic at all. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Mon Nov 19 10:39:42 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? In-Reply-To: <20011119095012.B15072@zgp.org> References: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> <20011118085752.A21804@zgp.org> <20011118181837.C12832@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011119095012.B15072@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011119183942.M841@ummagumma> * Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org) wrote: > begin Ruben Safir quotation of Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 06:18:37PM -0500: > > > That's why they're spamming. All you have to to do is slap a $20,000 fine > > PER SPAM on the business promoting the spam, and span would die VERY FAST. > > And it would be a big fund raiser for locl governments. > > Cool, if you want to put a company out of business just jump on their > 802.11b network and spam all the lawyers and sysadmins in the world. > > (I have never received any deliberately "false flag" spam -- but > I have received spam sent on behalf of a company whose marketing > director was told that he was paying to sponsor a web site.) > > Most spam isn't for a legit business at all -- it's from some > schmuck in Florida who bought a "multi-level marketing" package > from a previous spam, and doesn't _have_ the 20 grand. A backhoe > trench along the Florida state line would help, IMHO. From crackmonkey-admin@crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 19 17:51:20 2001 Subject: Re: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? Folder: formail -A "X-SPAM-RULE: 'multi level marketing' in body" >> SPAM Damn you for using spam keywords in legitimate mail! Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 19 11:10:19 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? In-Reply-To: <20011119183942.M841@ummagumma> References: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> <20011118085752.A21804@zgp.org> <20011118181837.C12832@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011119095012.B15072@zgp.org> <20011119183942.M841@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011119111019.C18354@zgp.org> begin Tom Gilbert quotation of Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 06:39:42PM +0000: > Damn you for using spam keywords in legitimate mail! HERBAL VIAGRA HERBAL VIAGRA HERBAL VIAGRA 100% opt-in bulk-friendly naughty schoolgirls! -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 19 11:13:07 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] overheard on gale In-Reply-To: <20011114091614.Q28927@zork.net> References: <20011114091614.Q28927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119111307.C18697@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > To pub.me.ryan@ofb.net Fugu/1.1.7 [ryan's musings] > -- Ryan Lackey at 11-14 07:35:07 So apparently 'gene forwarded this to cypherpunks where (surprise!) Ryan Lackey is SUBSCRIBED! Go figure! I was severely reamed for forwarding this "pub" message to crackmonkey, but it all began with a serious verbal sodomizing of 'gene. Now, I'll admit that it was lame and gossippy to forward it here in the first place, and I am by no means innocent here. But Ryan ONLY NOW is setting up a secure group to discuss his private sensitive information, himself. But 'gene, do you think it MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A SMART IDEAR to forward this to one of the man's own hangouts? I don't blame you or anything, but that may have been a bigger miscalculation than mine. I'm certain this forward was one of the reasons why we've been getting a bunch of new subscriptions. Goddamn weenies. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 19 11:25:23 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] overheard on gale In-Reply-To: <20011119111307.C18697@zork.net> References: <20011114091614.Q28927@zork.net> <20011119111307.C18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119112523.D18697@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > So apparently 'gene forwarded this to cypherpunks where (surprise!) > Ryan Lackey is SUBSCRIBED! Go figure! http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/current/msg00066.html Typical 'gene, too. He didn't even trim any headers. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 19 15:26:33 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] shake your boustrophedon Message-ID: <20011119152633.A24725@zgp.org> !zeraW !sdik yeH http://traevoli.com/boust/screen.php3 -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Nov 19 15:41:44 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] overheard on gale In-Reply-To: <20011119111307.C18697@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > But 'gene, do you think it MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A SMART IDEAR to > forward this to one of the man's own hangouts? I don't blame you or > anything, but that may have been a bigger miscalculation than mine. Yes. No. Sometimes sheer perversity strikes, and there's no halting. > I'm certain this forward was one of the reasons why we've been getting > a bunch of new subscriptions. Goddamn weenies. Damn. Now there's a point there. Mea culpa, and crap. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Nov 19 15:43:53 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] overheard on gale In-Reply-To: <20011119112523.D18697@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > Typical 'gene, too. He didn't even trim any headers. It's not a bug, it's a feetcher. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 19 15:51:16 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] shake your boustrophedon In-Reply-To: <20011119152633.A24725@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:26:33PM -0800 References: <20011119152633.A24725@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011119175116.A23678@magic.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:26:33PM -0800, Don Marti wrote: > !zeraW !sdik yeH > http://traevoli.com/boust/screen.php3 Your sweetcode skillz are WEAK. I found this software several years ago after getting bored and perusing the lcdproc links page. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 19 16:09:29 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] overheard on gale In-Reply-To: References: <20011119111307.C18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119160929.H18697@zork.net> begin Head-Freezin gene quotation: > Yes. No. Sometimes sheer perversity strikes, and there's no halting. I hear ya. Besides, the man sure talks a good fight, but he's a puppy dog at heart. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 19 16:33:35 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais to Gdancer! Message-ID: <20011119163335.J18697@zork.net> http://www.modelm.org/gdancer/gdancer.html > Its the Electric Bugaloo, Breakin 6 sarring Nick Moffitt. He's a > Zork deity, and a bad motor scooter, calling you out to the dance > floor. sucka. Now you can have yours truly dancing on your desktop to whatever you choose to play! Beaujolais! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 19 16:41:13 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais to Gdancer! In-Reply-To: <20011119163335.J18697@zork.net> References: <20011119163335.J18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119164113.K18697@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Now you can have yours truly dancing on your desktop to whatever you > choose to play! Beaujolais! For the impatient: http://www.modelm.org/gdancer/beaujoliasnick.tar.gz apt-get install gdancer and then unpack that bad boy in your ~/.xmms/gdancer dir. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sam at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 19 22:14:14 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] overheard on gale In-Reply-To: <20011119160929.H18697@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:09:29PM -0800 References: <20011119111307.C18697@zork.net> <20011119160929.H18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119221414.R15503@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:09:29PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Head-Freezin gene quotation: > > Yes. No. Sometimes sheer perversity strikes, and there's no halting. > > I hear ya. > > Besides, the man sure talks a good fight, but he's a puppy dog > at heart. > What happens when the puppy dog grows up? Will his chest burst open? -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From sam at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 19 22:19:50 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais to Gdancer! In-Reply-To: <20011119163335.J18697@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:33:35PM -0800 References: <20011119163335.J18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119221950.S15503@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:33:35PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://www.modelm.org/gdancer/gdancer.html > > Its the Electric Bugaloo, Breakin 6 sarring Nick Moffitt. He's a > > Zork deity, and a bad motor scooter, calling you out to the dance > > floor. sucka. > > Now you can have yours truly dancing on your desktop to whatever you > choose to play! Beaujolais! > Scan to the bottom for the truly terrifying: > coming soon the Infamous Mr. Bad GDancer Theme! -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From aaronl at vitelus.com Mon Nov 19 22:23:35 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais to Gdancer! In-Reply-To: <20011119164113.K18697@zork.net> References: <20011119163335.J18697@zork.net> <20011119164113.K18697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011119222335.A11869@vitelus.com> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:41:13PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > apt-get install gdancer and then unpack that bad boy in your > ~/.xmms/gdancer dir. ITYM gdancer_themes From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 20 00:21:04 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:12 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Sculpture honors chicken who lived 18 months without head Message-ID: <20011120002104.E7666@zork.net> http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/mike01.shtml -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From zen at zork.net Tue Nov 20 00:52:42 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Beaujolais to Gdancer! In-Reply-To: <20011119222335.A11869@vitelus.com> References: <20011119163335.J18697@zork.net> <20011119164113.K18697@zork.net> <20011119222335.A11869@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011120005242.A7808@zork.net> begin Aaron Lehmann quotation: > ITYM gdancer_themes ITYM "gdanc ". -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From pgl at mini.instinct.org Tue Nov 20 06:02:46 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] An election correction Message-ID: <20011120150246.A43290@mini.instinct.org> just can't get the staff nowadays. http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=865704 -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Nov 20 09:34:21 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011120113421.Z6318@tastytronic.net> Quoting Mikael Pawlo: > "An animal that eats bushes and leaves." [Somewhere in the distance, you hear the dull zap of a mIRC-user being kickbanned.] From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 20 10:07:05 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] burnallpngs.org Message-ID: <20011120100705.F7666@zork.net> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/22898.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 20 10:21:56 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] burnallpngs.org In-Reply-To: <20011120100705.F7666@zork.net> References: <20011120100705.F7666@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011120102156.D10115@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 10:07:05AM -0800: Don't you have anything better to do that read last week's _Register_? Like, say, watching videos and enjoying some nice Cheetos? > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/22898.html "PNG alpha is identical to the version described in Porter and Duff's 1984 SIGGRAPH paper, which precedes Apple's filing by 8 years." -- Greg Roelofs, PNG Group -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 20 10:51:27 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: New Dave article] Message-ID: <20011120105127.H7666@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- ...if you're interested. Turns out that nuclear bomb-making document that the Times of London found in Kabul was an American parody from the "Journal of Irreproducible Results" -- first written in 1979. http://www.dailyrotten.com/archive/159929.html I got an email from the guy who co-founded the humor journal a-way back in the 1950s! ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 20 11:11:23 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] So Message-ID: <20011120111123.G12204@zork.net> the whole evil-Bert and bomb-parody thing just makes me think that humor doesn't translate well across cultures. The flip side of that is that the FBI is probably even now spending days and days scrutinizing jokes and parodies written in Arabic. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 20 12:21:54 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] shake your boustrophedon In-Reply-To: <20011119152633.A24725@zgp.org> References: <20011119152633.A24725@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011120122154.A12590@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > !zeraW !sdik yeH > http://traevoli.com/boust/screen.php3 So how about that mechanical digital display that uses colored balls in glass tubes? Do you still want to build it? -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Nov 20 13:07:40 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] burnallpngs.org References: <20011120100705.F7666@zork.net> <20011120102156.D10115@zgp.org> Message-ID: <3BFAC61C.8377C530@praxis.com.au> Don Marti wrote: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/22898.html > > "PNG alpha is identical to the version described in Porter and Duff's > 1984 SIGGRAPH paper, which precedes Apple's filing by 8 years." Fairlight Instruments, the first company in Aus (maybe the world) to produce a computer-based digital music synth and editing suite (CMI) also created a digital video synth and editing suite called the CVI. The CVI was born in the mid 1980's and used its own home-grown alpha blending technique for stencils and friskettes. Put that in your patent pipe and smoke it, Apple. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited I'm not interested in developing a powerful brain. All I'm after is just a mediocre brain, something like the president of American Telephone and Telegraph Company. -- Alan Turing on the possibilities of a thinking machine, 1943. From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 20 13:10:52 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HuRd Message-ID: <20011120131051.J7666@zork.net> Hurd is sweet! sh-2.05# ifconfig Segmentation fault -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 20 13:12:05 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011120131205.K7666@zork.net> Our lawyers will be in touch. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- crackmonkey@unbroken.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Nov 20 13:45:23 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: <20011120113421.Z6318@tastytronic.net> References: Message-ID: At 11.34 -0600 01-11-20, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: >> "An animal that eats bushes and leaves." >[Somewhere in the distance, you hear the dull zap of a mIRC-user >being kickbanned.] All mIRC users should be kickbanned. The idea of an IRC client for Windows disgust me. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From pawal at blipp.com Tue Nov 20 13:48:12 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HuRd In-Reply-To: <20011120131051.J7666@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Hurd is sweet! > sh-2.05# ifconfig > Segmentation fault Reminds me of three years ago. I think just a press on was enough back then. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-709580442 From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 20 13:49:21 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] shake your boustrophedon In-Reply-To: <20011120122154.A12590@zork.net> References: <20011119152633.A24725@zgp.org> <20011120122154.A12590@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011120134921.C15142@zgp.org> begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:21:54PM -0800: > So how about that mechanical digital display that uses colored balls > in glass tubes? Do you still want to build it? Sure, but where to put it? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 20 13:58:57 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011120135857.M7666@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > All mIRC users should be kickbanned. on #^join 99 "%% #tron" ctcp $0 VERSION on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *mIRC*" kickban #tron $0 No mIRC users allowed. on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *olaris*" kickban #tron $0 No mIRC users allowed. on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *icrosoft*" kickban #tron $0 No Microsoft Windows users allowed. on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *klient*" kickban #tron $0 No Microsoft Windows users allowed. on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *indows*" kickban #tron $0 No Microsoft Windows users allowed. on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *indoze*" kickban #tron $0 No Microsoft Windows users allowed. on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *irctoons*" kickban #tron $0 No Microsoft Windows users allowed. on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *Fahrenheit Carrera*" kickban #tron $0 No Microsoft Windows users allowed. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Nov 20 15:09:17 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: <20011120135857.M7666@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > on #^ctcp_reply 99 "%% VERSION *icrosoft*" kickban #tron $0 No Microsoft Windows users allowed. /set CLIENT_INFORMATION Nick Moffit is a closet Microsoft Junkie /join #tron [Buh] CrackMonkey!~nick@cloaked.zork.net requested version info for you [Buh] samp!sam@cloaked.dasbistro.com requested version info for you *** Mode change "+b *!*seans@*.hanford.org" on channel #tron by CrackMonkey *** You have been kicked off channel #tron by CrackMonkey (ax/k.. No Microsoft Windows users allowed.) *** #tron Cannot join channel (+b) (Banned from channel) how fun! -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 20 15:24:41 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: References: <20011120135857.M7666@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011120152441.P7666@zork.net> begin Sean Moffitt quotation: > how fun! Evil bug zapper of IRC http://badvogato.org/article/64.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 20 15:36:00 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I know, it's red hat, but... Message-ID: <20011120153559.R7666@zork.net> Red Hat Proposes to Enhance Microsoft Settlement Offer By Providing Open Source Software to All U.S. School Districts http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011120/202744_1.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Nov 20 15:46:06 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] shake your boustrophedon In-Reply-To: <20011120134921.C15142@zgp.org> References: <20011119152633.A24725@zgp.org> <20011120122154.A12590@zork.net> <20011120134921.C15142@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011120154606.F12590@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:21:54PM -0800: > > > So how about that mechanical digital display that uses colored balls > > in glass tubes? Do you still want to build it? > > Sure, but where to put it? I guess you could move back to San Francisco and build it in a warehouse in the Mission or SOMA. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From sween at modelm.org Tue Nov 20 17:44:38 2001 From: sween at modelm.org (sween) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (no subject) Message-ID: http://www.geocities.com/miss_flora/amours/page5.html This amour was a chef, Dick L'Orange. Dick was famous for his nouvelle cuisine. That's Dick with my dog Lucky. -- --- -sween | M | http://www.modelm.org --- "TYPE HARD OR GO HOME." From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 20 18:51:03 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Australia Game Hollywood In-Reply-To: References: <20011120135857.M7666@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011120185103.B21810@zgp.org> begin Sean Moffitt quotation of Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:09:17PM -0800: > [Buh] CrackMonkey!~nick@cloaked.zork.net requested version info ^^^^^^^ "Cloaked"!? What's the matter, afraid of a few IRC kiddies? Brawk, buk, buk buk! -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 21 09:17:20 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [paul@paulboutin.com: D I T H E R A T I for 21 November 2001] Message-ID: <20011121091720.G6109@zork.net> Haw haw! Poo wittoo CSICOP! ----- Forwarded message from Paul Boutin ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily THE TOURISTS HAVE WON "These idiotic hoaxes [are] detrimental and I don't think it's right. I wish I knew who these people were. They definitely deserve to be reprimanded in some way." CSICOP public relations director Kevin Christopher, in need of special wartime powers to fight the threat of touristguy.com, Wired News, 19 November 2001 http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,48342,00.html Ditherati and Owen Thomas will both return on Monday. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 21 10:02:08 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [paul@paulboutin.com: D I T H E R A T I for 21 November 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011121091720.G6109@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:17:20AM -0800 References: <20011121091720.G6109@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011121120208.B27828@magic.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:17:20AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Haw haw! Poo wittoo CSICOP! > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Boutin ----- > > D I T H E R A T I > see the digerati dither, daily > > THE TOURISTS HAVE WON > > "These idiotic hoaxes [are] detrimental and I don't think it's > right. I wish I knew who these people were. They definitely deserve > to be reprimanded in some way." > > CSICOP public relations director Kevin Christopher, in need > of special wartime powers to fight the threat of touristguy.com, Wired > News, 19 November 2001 > > http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,48342,00.html There was a much more alarming quote from that article: "After a small item about Fark.com ran in the October issue of Playboy, hits jumped from 3.6 million in September to 5.75 million in October." This means that some people actually DO read the articles. The implications of this are endless! > Ditherati and Owen Thomas will both return on Monday. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 21 10:44:28 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Seen on the pigdog quote section Message-ID: <20011121104428.J6109@zork.net> Hold the conference in France: you can drink alcohol publicly, even near a school, you can piss on the street, you can argue with cops, you can teach Darwin's theory of evolution and you can have sex in public places. -- Stephane Bortzmeyer -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 21 10:48:33 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Go Oregon! Message-ID: <20011121104833.K6109@zork.net> http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/11/21/inv.portland.police.questioning.ap/index.html Hooray for Portland! and it's a double-blow! http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/11/21/assistedsuicide.hearing.ap/index.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 21 11:12:06 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Seen on the pigdog quote section In-Reply-To: <20011121104428.J6109@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:44:28AM -0800 References: <20011121104428.J6109@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011121131206.C27828@magic.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:44:28AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Hold the conference in France: you can drink alcohol publicly, even > near a school, you can piss on the street, you can argue with cops, > you can teach Darwin's theory of evolution and you can have sex in > public places. -- Stephane Bortzmeyer Don't they force you to believe Larmarckian genetics, though? -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 21 11:12:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Seen on the pigdog quote section In-Reply-To: <20011121131206.C27828@magic.umn.edu> References: <20011121104428.J6109@zork.net> <20011121131206.C27828@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011121111212.L6109@zork.net> begin Brian D . Hicks quotation: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:44:28AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > Hold the conference in France: you can drink alcohol publicly, even > > near a school, you can piss on the street, you can argue with cops, > > you can teach Darwin's theory of evolution and you can have sex in > > public places. -- Stephane Bortzmeyer > > Don't they force you to believe Larmarckian genetics, though? And you have to accept the Parisian prime meridian, and NO CRYPTO FOR YOU! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Wed Nov 21 11:15:08 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web Message-ID: Man, I wish I'd gotten my graduate school application in on time. http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/whee/index.html Abstract: If one uses a commercial internet search engine to search for increasingly long versions of variable-length interjectives on the web (e.g. ``whee'', ``wheee'', ``wheeee'', etc.), the number of pages found containing these longer words falls off as a power law. This is by the same guy who wrote psdoom (where pids are mapped to creatures in doom, and you can kill -9 them by shooting them until they're dead). But you've all seen that already, I'm sure. http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/index.html From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 21 11:18:37 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011121111837.M6109@zork.net> begin Neale Pickett quotation: > This is by the same guy who wrote psdoom (where pids are mapped to > creatures in doom, and you can kill -9 them by shooting them until > they're dead). But you've all seen that already, I'm sure. > > http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/index.html http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/dos/index.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rillian at telus.net Wed Nov 21 12:37:37 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <997CCC2A-DEBF-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 11:15 , Neale Pickett wrote: > Man, I wish I'd gotten my graduate school application in on time. http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/argh/index.html still in preparation, apparently, but also fun. Jack, why don't you see if someone at unm will fund xiph as research into Collaborative Media Sharing Over a System of Lessened Constraints. -r From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Nov 21 12:53:06 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 8November 2001] In-Reply-To: <87wv11q3oj.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: On 7 Nov 2001, Mr. Bad wrote: > I'm not quite sure I even _follow_ the chop-logic here. Is his > argument that the hardware commoditization of the IBM-PC platform is > what made Open Source possible? I admire you. Still having energy commenting on Billieboy's each and avery wet fart. Me, I gave up years ago. Saves synapses for drinking binges, and valuable keystrokes best spent on trolls. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 21 13:06:45 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: <997CCC2A-DEBF-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> References: <997CCC2A-DEBF-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> Message-ID: <20011121130645.N6109@zork.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Okay, so something is *seriously* wrong with my mailman regexes. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Nov 21 13:10:54 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: <20011121130645.N6109@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:06:45PM -0800 References: <997CCC2A-DEBF-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> <20011121130645.N6109@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011121161054.Y84337@samurai.com> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:06:45PM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) > > Okay, so something is *seriously* wrong with my mailman regexes. APPLE MAIL WILL BE YOUR UNDOING! Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting Powered by Boredom From rillian at telus.net Wed Nov 21 14:46:00 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: <20011121161054.Y84337@samurai.com> Message-ID: <8900B7B0-DED1-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 01:10 , Bryan Fullerton wrote: > APPLE MAIL WILL BE YOUR UNDOING! ESCAPE WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!! -r From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Nov 21 17:20:08 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011119095617.C15072@zgp.org> References: <20011117203920.A24361@symonds.net> <20011118162612.F16659@linuxmafia.com> <20011119095617.C15072@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011121172007.C32527@linuxmafia.com> begin Don Marti Uses GIFs on the Sly quotation: > Hey, Mr. Logic Man, can you debate the oh-so-logical Greg Aharonian > about software patents? What, have I come short on my monthly masochism quota? -- Cheers, find / -user your -name base -print | xargs chown us:us Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Nov 21 17:24:12 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Jim Hobuss: asshole? In-Reply-To: <20011119111019.C18354@zgp.org> References: <20011117225822.A16370@zgp.org> <20011118085752.A21804@zgp.org> <20011118181837.C12832@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011119095012.B15072@zgp.org> <20011119183942.M841@ummagumma> <20011119111019.C18354@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011121172412.D32527@linuxmafia.com> begin Don Marti Uses GIFs on the Sly quotation: > HERBAL VIAGRA > > HERBAL VIAGRA > > HERBAL VIAGRA > > 100% opt-in bulk-friendly naughty schoolgirls! Free Live Nude Linux Warez. PS: Linux rules. -- Cheers, You can't lick the system -- but you can certainly Rick Moen give it a damned good fondling.... rick@linuxmafia.com From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 21 17:22:29 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: <8900B7B0-DED1-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> References: <20011121161054.Y84337@samurai.com> <8900B7B0-DED1-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> Message-ID: <20011122122229.F24777@perkypants.org> > >APPLE MAIL WILL BE YOUR UNDOING! > > ESCAPE WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!! BEFORE YOUR DICK TURNS OR-- - Jeff -- "To do: Start up a a magazine dedicated to picky grammar. Call it 'Whom Weekly'." - WzDD From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 21 17:27:38 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: <20011122122229.F24777@perkypants.org> References: <20011121161054.Y84337@samurai.com> <8900B7B0-DED1-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> <20011122122229.F24777@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011121172738.O6109@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > BEFORE YOUR DICK TURNS OR-- Damn you kids and your bogus headers. I'll fix you. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 21 17:31:30 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: <20011121172738.O6109@zork.net> References: <20011121161054.Y84337@samurai.com> <8900B7B0-DED1-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> <20011122122229.F24777@perkypants.org> <20011121172738.O6109@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011122123130.G24777@perkypants.org> > Damn you kids and your bogus headers. I'll fix you. Not before this one last POST FOR FREEEEEDOOOM!!! [*] - Jeff [*] Does not reflect actual level of freedom, express or implied. -- What does an underage calf drink? Long Island Iced Teats. From spork at zork.net Wed Nov 21 22:49:46 2001 From: spork at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Make money fast! -- By trapping spammers with trespass charges] Message-ID: <20011121224946.A19219@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:32:38 -0500 To: politech@politechbot.com From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Make money fast! -- By trapping spammers with trespass charges --- Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:31:03 -0500 To: declan@well.com, politech@politechbot.com From: "Robert L. Ellis" Subject: Re: FC: Spammer-mocking critic replies to Politech posts Cc: mfraase@farces.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011121012243.0228a690@mail.well.com> For any politechnicals who have the energy and time to fight spammers (I don't -- I gave up), as an attorney I can suggest a refinement of Michael Fraase's tactic. 1. Identity the spammer and notify them that they no longer have permission to use your bandwidth, time, email server, etc. unless they accept your terms and conditions: payment of $$$. 2. Notify them that they may accept your terms and conditions by continuing to send spam. 3. Notify them that if they reject your terms and conditions -- which few spammers will bother doing -- all further spam will constitute trespass to chattel (the legal basis successfully used by big ISPs to pursue major spammers). The above steps create a contractual basis (offer and acceptance) for the invoice, and eliminate free-speech issues. The following is the text of a letter which accomplishes this. I'm placing this text in the public domain. - - - - - - - LEGAL NOTICE To___________ ______________ has sent or caused to be sent one or more unsolicited commercial email ("UCE" or "spam'") messages to an email address at the **** domain name. Your spam was not sent in response to any request for information. Spam is an annoyance and takes up our valuable time, bandwidth, server space, and computer hard drive space. Effective immediately, your further use for commercial purposes of any e-mail address ending with any of our domain names: [domain name list] constitutes your agreement to the following terms and conditions: 1. Each time you send UCE to our e-mail address, you agree to pay a usage fee of one thousand dollars ($1000.00) within 30 days of our invoice, payable to _______________________. This fee is deliberately high because we do not want to spend our time and bandwidth dealing with UCE unless we are paid to do so. You will be invoiced on a monthly basis and agree to pay interest at the rate of eighteen percent (18%) per annum on any balance which remains unpaid for more than thirty (30) days. 2. You agree to accept service of process in [name your state] as well as the jurisdiction of [same state] courts for the enforcement of this obligation. 3. You agree to pay the costs of collection, including reasonable attorney fees, even if the cost of collection exceeds the usage fee. This message constitutes an offer which you may accept by sending commercial email or causing it to be sent to any email address at any of the above-listed domains. If you notify us that you do not agree to these conditions, then you do not have permission to send UCE to any of the above-listed domains; your doing so without permission will constitute trespass to chattel and will be pursued by legal action. Sincerely, - - - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ellis Venable & Busam LLP 33 North High Street, Columbus, OH 43215-3076 +1 614.221.2422 phone 221.5244 fax www.internet-attorneys.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From mvw at wave.co.nz Wed Nov 21 22:58:01 2001 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011118214843.E9023@terizla.org>; from rob@terizla.org on Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 09:48:43PM -0500 References: <20011021171357.S9581@zork.net> <20011118214843.E9023@terizla.org> Message-ID: <20011122195801.B1029@wave.co.nz> On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 09:48:43PM -0500, Rob Latham wrote: > I just wanted to say that i think my welcome was far too tame and mild. > i was expecting "ad hominem attacks" and quite a bit more bile than "get > out". He was restrained because he's serious this time. Think a bit about your email address, and you'll see why. Mark. From mikael at pawlo.com Thu Nov 22 14:23:31 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Q in re language barrier Message-ID: Dear all, I have a language problem, and I hope you can help me out. How do you spell the mad professor laugh ("moahahaha" in Swedish) in: 1. British English, 2. American English and 3. Australian English? Please advise. Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Thu Nov 22 14:24:34 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011121172007.C32527@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011119095617.C15072@zgp.org> <20011117203920.A24361@symonds.net> <20011118162612.F16659@linuxmafia.com> <20011119095617.C15072@zgp.org> Message-ID: At 17.20 -0800 01-11-21, Rick Moen wrote: >> Hey, Mr. Logic Man, can you debate the oh-so-logical Greg Aharonian >> about software patents? >What, have I come short on my monthly masochism quota? I think this just proves again that the Internet is too small. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From ibm at svpal.org Fri Nov 23 05:17:49 2001 From: ibm at svpal.org (Ian Mac Lure) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites Message-ID: > begin Don Marti Uses GIFs on the Sly quotation: > Hey, Mr. Logic Man, can you debate the oh-so-logical Greg Aharonian > about software patents? What, have I come short on my monthly masochism quota? If this is the same guy that used to hang around comp.lang.ada you'll need the #10 cluestick ( thats the one with the nine inch spikes ) -- * Ian B MacLure ********* Hampton, VA ******* Engineer/Archer ***** * No Times Like The Maritimes ************************************* * Opinions Expressed Here Are Mine. That's Mine , Mine, MINE ****** * VR Level=3/Holding ***************** former sbay.linux henchman * From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 23 05:46:19 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: (Ian Mac Lure's message of "Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:17:49 -0800 (PST)") References: Message-ID: <6upu69zjkk.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Ian Mac Lure quotation: > > > That's "also", not "alzo", you nitwit. -- DIVORCED -- SEPARATED * SELL YOUR BAD * MEMORIES <= <= HERE /INSTANT/ /CA$H/ /PAYMENT/ From rillian at telus.net Fri Nov 23 14:02:13 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <6upu69zjkk.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Friday, November 23, 2001, at 05:46 , Sean Neakums wrote: >> > >> > > That's "also", not "alzo", you nitwit. It's also a truly pathetic attempt at xml syntax from someone who obviously doesn't write it by hand. I mean COME ON! It's almost as bad as using PROPRIETARY MAILERS! the mailman regexps should check for well formed xml, so we don't have to keep saying: Get the FUCK off my list! HAND, -r From rillian at telus.net Fri Nov 23 14:04:30 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:13 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <6upu69zjkk.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <11EB9988-E05E-11D5-A0E6-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> On Friday, November 23, 2001, at 05:46 , Sean Neakums wrote: >> > >> > > That's "also", not "alzo", you nitwit. It's also a truly pathetic attempt at xml syntax from someone who obviously doesn't write it by hand. I mean COME ON! It's almost as bad as using PROPRIETARY MAILERS! the magical crackmonkey filters should check for well formed xml, so we don't have to keep saying: Get the FUCK off my list! HAND, -r From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Sat Nov 24 05:34:47 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Distribution of Variable-length Phatic Interjectives on the World Wide Web In-Reply-To: <20011122123130.G24777@perkypants.org> References: <20011121161054.Y84337@samurai.com> <8900B7B0-DED1-11D5-855E-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> <20011122122229.F24777@perkypants.org> <20011121172738.O6109@zork.net> <20011122123130.G24777@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011125003447.A29255@masher.homeip.net> > > > Not before this one last POST FOR FREEEEEDOOOM!!! [*] > > - Jeff > > [*] Does not reflect actual level of freedom, express or implied. > That's funny, I read it as 'Free Doom' but you can't have meant that, it's been around for years. J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com I came for the quality. I stayed for the freedom. -- Sean Neakums From sneakums at zork.net Sat Nov 24 13:46:08 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Professional help. Message-ID: <6uelmnzvtr.fsf@zork.zork.net> One day, I went to see a shrink. He showed me monochrome sketches of mangled corpses in automobile accidents. I made an excuse and left. The next day, I went to see a therapist. She showed me photographs of people, taken just before they became involved in horrible accidents. I made an excuse and left. After a busy week of overtime and missed deadlines, I went to see a guru. He told me to sit still and close my eyes, whereupon he filled my heads with thought of evil, death and decay. I made and excuse and left. A month later, I dropped some change in the hat of a busking flautist as he was taking a breather. I looked him in the eye and said, "What's wrong with me?" He said, "You're a pound short". I dropped in the extra coin and went home, satisified. -- ~ ~ ~ ~ From sneakums at zork.net Sat Nov 24 15:35:54 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco Message-ID: <6uadxbzqqt.fsf@zork.zork.net> IS QUITTING HAVENCO, IS NOT QUITTING HAVENCO Moffitt forwards a puff on to the Crackmonkey list Nick Moffitt is in the room Mean 'Gene is in the room Charlie Lavicle is in the room Sean Neakums is in the room Is quitting Havenco! Is not quitting Havenco! Is quitting Havenco! Is not quitting Havenco! Lackey flames Moffitt just like he disowns his words Nick Moffitt is in the room Mean 'Gene is in the room Charlie Lavicle is in the room Sean Neakums is in the room Is quitting Havenco! Is not quitting Havenco! Is quitting Havenco! Is not quitting Havenco! -- "Ah, the SCSL. The 'All your changes are belong to Sun' license". -- Eamon de Valera From jaq at spacepants.org Sat Nov 24 23:49:28 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: References: <6upu69zjkk.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011125184928.A3236@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, rillian wrote: >the mailman regexps should check for well formed xml, so we don't have >to keep saying: Get the FUCK off my list! This one time, at band camp, rillian wrote: >the magical crackmonkey filters should check for well formed xml, so we >don't have to keep saying: Get the FUCK off my list! regexps? magical cm filters? MAKE UP YOUR MIND! -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg From rillian at telus.net Sun Nov 25 00:30:56 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011125184928.A3236@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: On Saturday, November 24, 2001, at 11:49 , Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > regexps? magical cm filters? MAKE UP YOUR MIND! Decision making is for the weak. What kind of pants are you wearing? See what I mean? -r From jaq at spacepants.org Sun Nov 25 00:21:58 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: References: <20011125184928.A3236@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011125192158.D3236@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, rillian wrote: >On Saturday, November 24, 2001, at 11:49 , Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > >>regexps? magical cm filters? MAKE UP YOUR MIND! > >Decision making is for the weak. What kind of pants are you wearing? Spacious ones. I'm surprised I have to explain this to you. >See what I mean? Dunno. See this Mail-Followup-To:? -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg From rillian at telus.net Sun Nov 25 00:50:18 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011125192158.D3236@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <73AE9D4F-E181-11D5-BAA2-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> On Sunday, time to be determined, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > Spacious ones. I'm surprised I have to explain this to you. Your refusal to apply the many-worlds hypothesis to your signifiers (pants) is *so* 9 minutes ago. >> Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:30:56 US/Pacific > Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:21:58 US/Pacific Do try to keep up. Or maybe your pants are so spacious clocks *naturally run slower* inside them? -r From jaq at spacepants.org Sun Nov 25 00:46:05 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <73AE9D4F-E181-11D5-BAA2-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> References: <20011125192158.D3236@willow.spacepants.org> <73AE9D4F-E181-11D5-BAA2-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> Message-ID: <20011125194605.I3236@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, rillian wrote: >>>Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:30:56 US/Pacific >>Date: Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:21:58 US/Pacific > >Do try to keep up. Or maybe your pants are so spacious clocks *naturally >run slower* inside them? Your temporal editing skillz are weak, grasshopper. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg From mdillon at standmed.com Sun Nov 25 02:13:50 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: <20011125184928.A3236@willow.spacepants.org> References: <6upu69zjkk.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011125184928.A3236@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011125021350.B1147@prometheus.embody.org> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > This one time, at band camp, rillian wrote: > >the mailman regexps should check for well formed xml, so we don't have > >to keep saying: Get the FUCK off my list! > > This one time, at band camp, rillian wrote: > >the magical crackmonkey filters should check for well formed xml, so we > >don't have to keep saying: Get the FUCK off my list! > > regexps? magical cm filters? MAKE UP YOUR MIND! Lame attributions? Needless repetition? GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST! Bitch! -md From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Nov 25 04:09:03 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] rejected Message-ID: Wtf! I guess he's written "monkey" instead of "money". Make monkey fast!!! M >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:13:17 -0400 >From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO >To: mikael@pawlo.com >Subject: rejected > > >Your Mail has been REJECTED. Either you've sent spam or crossed >the line of civility in a previous interaction. >It could be that this message has been triggered by key spam >favorite words in the subject like Stock or Sex or Money. > >Good-bye.. > _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From sneakums at zork.net Sun Nov 25 07:59:05 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day Message-ID: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> So, you're writing shell scripts to do nifty ogg-related tasks. Here's a quick way to get all the tags in a specific ogg file into shell variables: eval `ogginfo "$FILE"| sed -e 's/^\([^=]\+=\)\(.*\)$/\1"\2"/'` -- "Windows NT is 'case-preserving', but not 'case-distinguishing'. Translation: it's a lot like ass." -- Eamon de Valera From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Nov 25 09:57:21 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] rejected In-Reply-To: ; from mikael@pawlo.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:09:03 -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011125125721.C18936@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Yeeee Not quite. Student employees are good with regex! On 2001.11.25 07:09:03 -0500 Mikael Pawlo wrote: >> Wtf! >> I guess he's written "monkey" instead of "money". >> >> Make monkey fast!!! >> >> M >> >> >>> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:13:17 -0400 >>> From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO >>> To: mikael@pawlo.com >>> Subject: rejected >>> >>> >>> Your Mail has been REJECTED. Either you've sent spam or crossed >>> the line of civility in a previous interaction. >>> It could be that this message has been triggered by key spam >>> favorite words in the subject like Stock or Sex or Money. >>> >>> Good-bye.. >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> >> ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com >> +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks >> http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey >> -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/annie.mp3 - Armed and Dangerous.... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 From e at ericrichardson.com Sun Nov 25 14:36:21 2001 From: e at ericrichardson.com (eric richardson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Creativity, Commerce & Culture: Lessig vs. Valenti Message-ID: Thought this might be something anyone in LA would be interested in... I'm planning on going, and assuming it's interesting and I can remember what was said, I'll try and post a summary somewhere. e; -- __ o o _ _ eric richardson __ ))c) __ __ _ __ __ _ __ ))_ ___ __ __)) __ __ _ _ __ __ _ _ (('((__,(('(| ((((_ (| ((((_((`(((_((| ((_( _))((_)((\( o ((_ ((_)((`1( http://ericrichardson.com http://ethreads.com http://escripting.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:25:40 -0800 From: Tim Burgess To: ASCJOBNET-L@usc.edu Subject: Annenberg Event--Creativity, Commerce & Culture CREATIVITY, COMMERCE & CULTURE: LESSIG VS. VALENTI A spirited exchange between Jack Valenti, President of the Motion Picture Association and Lawrence Lessig, cyber law pioneer and author of The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World. The two will debate the future of creativity, ownership of intellectual property rights and privacy in the new digital environment. Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:00 - 6:30pm; Reception to follow Annenberg Auditorium University of Southern California Check out Professor Lawrence Lessig's recent Newsweek interview, *The End of the Net * http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/655756.asp The event is co-sponsored by the USC Annenberg School's Norman Lear Center and by the Center for the Public Domain, a Durham, North Carolina-based philanthropic foundation. This event is free and open to the public. To reserve seating, call 213-740-5658 or e-mail ascevent@usc.edu. Parking at USC is $6. Tim Burgess Director, Career Development Annenberg School for Communication 3502 Watt Way, GL 4 Los Angeles, CA 90089-0281 PH-(213) 740-3912 FX-(213) 740-8036 From sam at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 26 11:18:58 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Quien mas macho? Message-ID: <20011126111858.K6899@dasbistro.com> http://www.memento-mori.com/games/superior.html > > Superior! Quien es mas Macho? is a two-player card game using an > ordinary deck of playing cards. Although not necessary, it is fun to > think of the card game as being a wrestling match -- the cards are the > various maneuvers each wrestler performs and the suits represent > "styles" of wrestling... > -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com Reno Nevada From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Nov 23 14:11:16 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Q in re language barrier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87vgg1m92z.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: MP> Dear all, I have a language problem, and I hope you can help MP> me out. apt-get install esperanto ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...it occurred to me: the suckers have authority." -- Chuck D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Nov 24 07:57:08 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] qmites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87y9kw5fhn.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "r" == rillian writes: r> It's also a truly pathetic attempt at xml syntax from someone r> who obviously doesn't write it by hand. YEAH! Don'T YoU KnOW the < TAg!!?!!1?! iT WILL maKe yeR XMl all KewL and FONT-Y! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...it occurred to me: the suckers have authority." -- Chuck D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Nov 25 07:27:11 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco In-Reply-To: <6uadxbzqqt.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6uadxbzqqt.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87k7we98hc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> IS QUITTING HAVENCO, IS NOT QUITTING HAVENCO You roxor, Mr. Neakums. Would you mind giving poetry lessons to an annoying friend of mine? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...it occurred to me: the suckers have authority." -- Chuck D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 26 11:53:13 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011126115313.S6109@zork.net> Not too many holiday unsubscriptions this year. Just this fuqwit. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- bill@billjonas.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 26 11:54:46 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco In-Reply-To: <87k7we98hc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <6uadxbzqqt.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87k7we98hc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011126115446.T6109@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: > > SN> IS QUITTING HAVENCO, IS NOT QUITTING HAVENCO > > You roxor, Mr. Neakums. Would you mind giving poetry lessons to an > annoying friend of mine? Anything to get Thom out of his hillbilly shack. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Mon Nov 26 12:23:42 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco In-Reply-To: <20011126115446.T6109@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > Anything to get Thom out of his hillbilly shack. Hey, man, Thom Stark, author of the critically acclaimed novel "A Season In The Meth Van Down By The River" is officially ENLIGHTENED. So he can use his astral body to leave the shack, find the ghost of Alexander the Great and jerk him off whenever he pleases. -- "Has there ever been a more pompous fuck?" -- Ben Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 26 13:12:58 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco In-Reply-To: References: <20011126115446.T6109@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011126131258.V6109@zork.net> begin Sean Moffitt quotation: > Hey, man, Thom Stark, author of the critically acclaimed novel "A > Season In The Meth Van Down By The River" is officially ENLIGHTENED. > So he can use his astral body to leave the shack, find the ghost of > Alexander the Great and jerk him off whenever he pleases. Yeah, but it turns the Great Alexander orange. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From decklin at red-bean.com Mon Nov 26 14:21:31 2001 From: decklin at red-bean.com (Decklin Foster) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> Sean Neakums writes: > eval `ogginfo "$FILE"| sed -e 's/^\([^=]\+=\)\(.*\)$/\1"\2"/'` http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/temp/04.primal-scream.higher-than-the-sun.ogg ...Now, we wait. -- things change. decklin@red-bean.com From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 26 14:32:17 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> Message-ID: <20011126143217.K7482@zork.net> begin Decklin Foster quotation: > Sean Neakums writes: > > eval `ogginfo "$FILE"| sed -e 's/^\([^=]\+=\)\(.*\)$/\1"\2"/'` > > http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/temp/04.primal-scream.higher-than-the-sun.ogg > > ...Now, we wait. Hooray for the shell! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 26 14:33:36 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> Message-ID: <20011126143336.L7482@zork.net> begin Decklin Foster quotation: > http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/temp/04.primal-scream.higher-than-the-sun.ogg playtime=3:38 I know now when playtime is! Hooray! Only one more hour until I get to play! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 26 14:52:19 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Sex crimes of the X-men Message-ID: <20011126145219.N7482@zork.net> http://www.pigdog.org/auto/ArtFux/shortfeature/2315.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 26 16:30:53 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [splicer@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] liberation] Message-ID: <20011126163053.O7482@zork.net> Hooray for more 'gene forwards! ----- Forwarded message from The Compulsive Splicer ----- On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 03:43:36PM +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: > Judging from > > http://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=splicer > > butt-ugly is wrong. Don't take my words for it, resident ladies step > forward and comment. Oh, shit 'Gene. I actually post personal stuff on that site. I'm not sure that I wanted Pigdog to know about it. Guess it's a little late to worry about that. =^) Well, anyone that wants to read about the crush I had on a priest is gonna have to become a "friend." TCS ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Nov 26 16:46:14 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [splicer@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] liberation] In-Reply-To: <20011126163053.O7482@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Hooray for more 'gene forwards! Not a forward. #2 hit on Google on compulsive splicer. Very sekrit. http://www.google.com/search?q=compulsive+splicer&hl=de&lr= From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 26 16:59:06 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Land O' Lakes Boobs w/ Sweet Cream Message-ID: <20011126165906.P7482@zork.net> http://www.chaosexistence.net/badtaco/newsofw/landolakes.htm PERFORMANCE ART -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 26 17:02:16 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Land O' Lakes Boobs w/ Sweet Cream In-Reply-To: <20011126165906.P7482@zork.net> References: <20011126165906.P7482@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011126170216.Q7482@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.chaosexistence.net/badtaco/newsofw/landolakes.htm But don't take MY word for it: http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/523.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dsaklad at gnu.org Mon Nov 26 19:15:15 2001 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Are there turkeys in your library bureaucracy? Message-ID: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Archive: Are there turkeys in your library bureaucracy? http://home.earthlink.net/~denmartin A librarian's brainpower is a terrible thing to waste. A librarian's critical thinking skills Inside a librarian's amazing brain http://home.earthlink.net/~denmartin/key-brain-t2.html#READ Brainpower and ignorance at work http://home.earthlink.net/~denmartin/key-brain.html Stay curious! oo__ dWs http://zork.net/~dsaklad ________________________________________________ This message was sent to you via the L I B R A R Y U N D E R G R O U N D To send a message to all your fellow subscribers, address it to: libraryunderground [at sign] topica.com For questions, comments or concerns, contact the owners: James -- jamesiegod [at sign] hotmail.com Matthew -- wrightm [at sign] ccmail.nevada.edu http://www.libraryunderground.com ==^================================================================ ==^================================================================ From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 26 20:26:26 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Old Kenny G rant Message-ID: <20011126202626.R7482@zork.net> I was reminded of this when I saw a Kenny G joke on The Daily Show while waiting for everyone to show up for Prisoner night. http://www.saxon.com/stephen/pat-story.htm -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 27 00:49:31 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> (Decklin Foster's message of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:21:31 -0500") References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> Message-ID: <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Decklin Foster quotation: > Sean Neakums writes: >> eval `ogginfo "$FILE"| sed -e 's/^\([^=]\+=\)\(.*\)$/\1"\2"/'` > > http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/temp/04.primal-scream.higher-than-the-sun.ogg > > ...Now, we wait. And a happy new blorp to you, too. That was far too easy a target for a man of your intellect. Perhaps you could try exploiting this, instead: (defun buffer-to-alist (b) "Convert a buffer to an alist. The buffer's lines should be of the form: name=some value or other" (let ((r nil)) (goto-char (point-min)) (while (not (eobp)) (let ((s (buffer-substring (point) (save-excursion (end-of-line) (point))))) (if (string-match "^\\([^=]+\\)=\\(.*\\)$" s) (if (not (string-equal (match-string 2 s) "")) (setq r (append (list (cons (intern (downcase (match-string 1 s))) (match-string 2 s))) r)))) (forward-line))) (set-buffer-modified-p nil) (kill-buffer nil) r)) Note: the code that this is part of generates and owns the buffer, hence the kill-buffer call. -- "What they should do is try to get a whole nest of artificially intelligent kernels like ants or bees: ``Stop the hacker! He's going for the queen!'' And like a bunch of them start shutting down various systems ... it'd be like Death Star except without the explosions." -- Emad El-Haraty, on OS design. From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 27 02:41:30 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco In-Reply-To: <87k7we98hc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr. Bad's message of "25 Nov 2001 07:27:11 -0800") References: <6uadxbzqqt.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87k7we98hc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <6uhergxzqd.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Mr. Bad quotation: > >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: > SN> IS QUITTING HAVENCO, IS NOT QUITTING HAVENCO > > You roxor, Mr. Neakums. Would you mind giving poetry lessons to an > annoying friend of mine? Soul Coughing did all the heavy lifting on that project. I just stuck in new words. -- "I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco." -- Eamon de Valera From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 27 05:30:38 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [splicer@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] liberation] In-Reply-To: <20011126163053.O7482@zork.net> References: <20011126163053.O7482@zork.net> Message-ID: <87wv0cibnl.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: Splicer> Oh, shit 'Gene. I actually post personal stuff on that Splicer> site. I'm not sure that I wanted Pigdog to know about it. ---8<--- From: Lenny Nero Subject: [Pigdog] I need to get a life Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:05:28 -0800 I've posted to Livejournal.com four times in the last two and a half hours, which is just about as much time as I've been awake today. Lenny N. ---8<--- God, I hope somebody somebody says the wrong thing to Splicer, he goes into a 35-message goodbye rant hissy fit, and then unsubs again soon. Fucken drama queen. Believe you me: it's not going to be long before he's posting digital snapshots of his anus. ~Mr. Bad P.S. I want to be like Thomas Stark! Pa pa pa pa pa, pa pa pa! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...it occurred to me: the suckers have authority." -- Chuck D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 27 05:32:18 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco In-Reply-To: <6uhergxzqd.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6uadxbzqqt.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87k7we98hc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6uhergxzqd.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87snb0ibkt.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> Soul Coughing did all the heavy lifting on that project. I SN> just stuck in new words. Oh. Well, it's still better than Splicey pooh-bear "pomes." SN> -- "I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco." -- I'm quitting havenco RIGHT NOW. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...it occurred to me: the suckers have authority." -- Chuck D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 27 09:18:01 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [splicer@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] liberation] In-Reply-To: <87wv0cibnl.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011126163053.O7482@zork.net> <87wv0cibnl.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011127091801.S7482@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > P.S. I want to be like Thomas Stark! Pa pa pa pa pa, pa pa pa! Do you work in his factory? http://zork.net/1997/roya.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From decklin at red-bean.com Tue Nov 27 10:32:13 2001 From: decklin at red-bean.com (Decklin Foster) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011127133213.A3530@decklin.2y.net> Sean Neakums writes: > (defun buffer-to-alist (b) Oh, but you have to be using Emacs to use this. Isn't that bad enough already? -- things change. decklin@red-bean.com From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 27 10:39:24 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] pantscam Message-ID: <20011127103924.Y7482@zork.net> http://www.pantscam.com/ pantscam pants-cam pant-scam pantscam -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Nov 27 12:06:59 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Old Kenny G rant In-Reply-To: <20011126202626.R7482@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > I was reminded of this when I saw a Kenny G joke on The Daily Show > while waiting for everyone to show up for Prisoner night. > > http://www.saxon.com/stephen/pat-story.htm There was some doubt as to whether or not that interview was true, but there can be little doubt to this: http://www.geocities.com/cheezz_whizz/metheny.rm -- "Prisoner Night? Details!" -- Ben Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 27 12:16:54 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Old Kenny G rant In-Reply-To: References: <20011126202626.R7482@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011127121654.Z7482@zork.net> begin Sean Moffitt quotation: > > http://www.saxon.com/stephen/pat-story.htm > > There was some doubt as to whether or not that interview was true, but > there can be little doubt to this: > > http://www.geocities.com/cheezz_whizz/metheny.rm What is that? Some kind of GIF? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 27 12:17:10 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Old Kenny G rant In-Reply-To: References: <20011126202626.R7482@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011127121710.A7482@zork.net> begin Sean Moffitt quotation: > "Prisoner Night? Details!" That would be telling. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 27 12:25:21 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Free the CP/M! Message-ID: <20011127122521.B7482@zork.net> http://www.cpm.z80.de/source.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Nov 27 12:33:49 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Old Kenny G rant In-Reply-To: <20011127121654.Z7482@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > > http://www.geocities.com/cheezz_whizz/metheny.rm > > What is that? Some kind of GIF? ah yes, your religion forbids real audio. my apologies, number 6. -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 27 13:37:32 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] hypocrisy, n. 1: an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction [syn: {lip service}] Message-ID: <20011127133731.D7482@zork.net> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/11/27/MN225231.DTL > "The use of embryos to clone is wrong," Bush said. "We should not as > a society grow life to destroy it." Big words from a guy who spends his vacation time on cattle ranches and supports the death penalty. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 27 13:49:17 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:14 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] hypocrisy, n. 1: an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction [syn: {lip service}] In-Reply-To: <20011127133731.D7482@zork.net> References: <20011127133731.D7482@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011127134917.E28927@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:37:32PM -0800: > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/11/27/MN225231.DTL > > "The use of embryos to clone is wrong," Bush said. "We should not as > > a society grow life to destroy it." > > Big words from a guy who spends his vacation time on cattle ranches > and supports the death penalty. And Pigdog Journal says he used to blow up frogs with firecrackers, so it must be true. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Nov 27 15:33:04 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] hypocrisy, n. 1: an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction [syn: {lip service}] In-Reply-To: <20011127133731.D7482@zork.net> Message-ID: At 13.37 -0800 01-11-27, Nick Moffitt wrote: >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/11/27/MN225231.DTL >> "The use of embryos to clone is wrong," Bush said. "We should not as >> a society grow life to destroy it." >Big words from a guy who spends his vacation time on cattle ranches >and supports the death penalty. The sooner all the animals are extinct, the sooner we'll find their money. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 27 18:53:23 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [splicer@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] ANNOUNCEMENT: TNiPN@BN!!!!!] Message-ID: <20011127185323.E11097@zork.net> Hooray for Rockridge! Hooray for being RIGHT ON FUCKING BART! ----- Forwarded message from The Compulsive Splicer ----- Yeah, that's right: Ben & Nick's at 5612 College Ave right near the Rockridge BART station. They have lots of tasty beverages, including Splicy Cock and Bull Ginger Beer, heartily endorsed by four out of five Pigdoggers for their patients who drink ginger beer. Unless you count the Pigdoggers that don't heartily endorse Cock and Bull Ginger Beer, but they don't count when we're lying with statistics, now DO they? I didn't think so. Remember, bring a pig or a dog and get in free, bring a pig AND a dog and see Splicer naked! I'll bring enough postcards for everyone. This is what you'll be if you don't show up: |------------------------------------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |------------------------------------------| (no, you don't get to be a Rothko, silly) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jays at panix.com Tue Nov 27 20:23:44 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [splicer@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] ANNOUNCEMENT: TNiPN@BN!!!!!] In-Reply-To: <20011127185323.E11097@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Hooray for Rockridge! Hooray for being RIGHT ON FUCKING BART! > > ----- Forwarded message from The Compulsive Splicer ----- > > > Yeah, that's right: Ben & Nick's at 5612 College Ave right near > the Rockridge BART station. > > They have lots of tasty beverages, including Splicy Cock and Bull > Ginger Beer, heartily endorsed by four out of five Pigdoggers for > their patients who drink ginger beer. Unless you count the Pigdoggers > that don't heartily endorse Cock and Bull Ginger Beer, but they don't > count when we're lying with statistics, now DO they? THIS IS THE METHOD OF SCIENCE. > > I didn't think so. > > Remember, bring a pig or a dog and get in free, bring a pig AND > a dog and see Splicer naked! I'll bring enough postcards for everyone. > > This is what you'll be if you don't show up: > > |------------------------------------------| > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > |------------------------------------------| > > > (no, you don't get to be a Rothko, silly) MOTHERWELL THE REAL ANDY WARHOL. EAT ZAURUS NOW. oo--JS. From sneakums at zork.net Wed Nov 28 00:43:32 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <20011127133213.A3530@decklin.2y.net> (Decklin Foster's message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:32:13 -0500") References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011127133213.A3530@decklin.2y.net> Message-ID: <6uzo57waiz.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Decklin Foster quotation: > Sean Neakums writes: >> (defun buffer-to-alist (b) > > > Oh, but you have to be using Emacs to use this. Isn't that bad > enough already? Kids, this is where the editor flame war goes. Off with you. -- "WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHAAAAAAAAA!!! I'M CRAAAAAZY SIGGMUNDD!!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! NEE'ME S'MORE O'THAT SHIT!" -- mike dillon From sneakums at zork.net Wed Nov 28 00:51:52 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] hypocrisy, n. 1: an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction [syn: {lip service}] In-Reply-To: <20011127134917.E28927@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:49:17 -0800") References: <20011127133731.D7482@zork.net> <20011127134917.E28927@zgp.org> Message-ID: <6uvgfvwa53.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Don Marti Patented This quotation: > begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:37:32PM -0800: >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/11/27/MN225231.DTL >> > "The use of embryos to clone is wrong," Bush said. "We should not as >> > a society grow life to destroy it." >> >> Big words from a guy who spends his vacation time on cattle ranches >> and supports the death penalty. > > And Pigdog Journal says he used to blow up frogs with firecrackers, so > it must be true. Furthermore, Texas beef turns your dick orange. And if that wasn't on Pigdog Journal, it should be. -- "I am the stick in your brain-spokes. Happy landings!" -- Eamon de Valera From sneakums at zork.net Wed Nov 28 06:02:21 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm going back to 2.2 Message-ID: <6uitbvvvrm.fsf@zork.zork.net> http://www.marcelothewonderpenguin.com/ -- "Windows NT is 'case-preserving', but not 'case-distinguishing'. Translation: it's a lot like ass." -- Eamon de Valera From neale at woozle.org Wed Nov 28 08:23:27 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm going back to 2.2 In-Reply-To: <6uitbvvvrm.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6uitbvvvrm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: So then, Sean Neakums is all like: > http://www.marcelothewonderpenguin.com/ What I find even more amusing is the two actions available at to "conhencer os novos lan?amentos e promo??es Conectiva" (which, I presume, means "get junk mail about our fine products"): [ ] inscri??o [ ] cancelamento Cancelamento, baby! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 28 10:01:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <6uzo57waiz.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011127133213.A3530@decklin.2y.net> <6uzo57waiz.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128100112.F11097@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > "WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHAAAAAAAAA!!! I'M > CRAAAAAZY SIGGMUNDD!!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! NEE'ME > S'MORE O'THAT SHIT!" > -- mike dillon When did he say this? YOU'RE NO BEN FRANKLIN! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 28 10:03:49 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I don't know about you, but I'm going back to 2.2 In-Reply-To: References: <6uitbvvvrm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128100349.G11097@zork.net> begin Neale Pickett quotation: > Cancelamento, baby! As a matter of fact, that happens to be the Crackmonkey motto. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dtype at dtype.org Wed Nov 28 10:45:50 2001 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] subject line prepends Message-ID: <20011128184550.Y1895@dtype.org> I searched Google for 30 minutes and failed to find an answer... I futzed around with procmail and formail for an hour or so and only managed to no doubt lose a couple of actual mail messages.... Now I turn to the repository of all that is not quite right, crackmonkey. Does anyone have a good procmail rule + formail/perl/etc that adds a subject line prepend ala mailman, for certain lists that don't do so for you? (or for that matter aliases, etc...) -drew -- M. Drew Streib , Free Standards Group (freestandards.org) co-founder, SourceForge.net | core team, freedb | sysadmin, Linux Intl. creator, keyanalyze report | maintnr, *.us.pgp.net | other, see freedom/law From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 28 11:07:35 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] subject line prepends In-Reply-To: <20011128184550.Y1895@dtype.org> References: <20011128184550.Y1895@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011128110735.K11097@zork.net> begin M. Drew Streib quotation: > Does anyone have a good procmail rule + formail/perl/etc that adds > a subject line prepend ala mailman, for certain lists that don't > do so for you? (or for that matter aliases, etc...) You should probably do something like so: :0:3jenbkjfbedsfkjbwhatever * RULETOMATCHTHEGODDAMNLIST * ^Subject: \/.*$ | formail -I "Subject: [goddamnlist] $MATCH" etc. Totally untested, but that's how I would go about it. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Wed Nov 28 11:17:11 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <20011128100112.F11097@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:01:12AM -0800 References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011127133213.A3530@decklin.2y.net> <6uzo57waiz.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011128100112.F11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128111711.A5566@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Sean Neakums quotation: > > "WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHAAAAAAAAA!!! I'M > > CRAAAAAZY SIGGMUNDD!!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! NEE'ME > > S'MORE O'THAT SHIT!" > > -- mike dillon > > When did he say this? YOU'RE NO BEN FRANKLIN! Cf. http://www.crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q4/023769.html It's on the Innurnet, so... aw, fuck, you know. -md From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Nov 28 11:23:58 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] subject line prepends In-Reply-To: <20011128184550.Y1895@dtype.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, M. Drew Streib wrote: > Does anyone have a good procmail rule + formail/perl/etc that adds > a subject line prepend ala mailman, for certain lists that don't > do so for you? (or for that matter aliases, etc...) SUBJECT = `formail -xSubject:` :0: * ^List-Id.*childmolesters.org | formail -I "Subject: [littleboys]$SUBJECT" >> LittleBoys From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 28 11:39:26 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bruce Schneier on DRM Message-ID: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net> This came floating by on another list. Is it from Secrets and Lies? > Every time I write about the impossibility of effectively protecting > digital files on a general-purpose computer, I get responses from > people decrying the death of copyright. "How will authors and > artists get paid for their work?" they ask me. Truth be told, I > don't know. I feel rather like the physicist who just explained > relativity to a group of would-be interstellar travelers, only to be > asked: "How do you expect us to get to the stars, then?" I'm sorry, > but I don't know that, either. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Wed Nov 28 11:44:04 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Seen on the pigdog quote section In-Reply-To: <20011121111212.L6109@zork.net> References: <20011121104428.J6109@zork.net> <20011121131206.C27828@magic.umn.edu> <20011121111212.L6109@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128134404.B16662@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > And you have to accept the Parisian prime meridian, and NO > CRYPTO FOR YOU! Yes, and Gord Forbid you should say "Walkman!" uncle_pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 28 11:48:14 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [snatcher@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] Haven't been to the Guinness site in awhile...] Message-ID: <20011128114814.N11097@zork.net> Beaujolais! ----- Forwarded message from RatSnatcher ----- But look: Guinness socks: http://www.guinness-webstore.com/guinness/hdocs/index2.asp?prod=97&action=details&cat=39&col=0 Guinness Bodhrans: http://www.guinness-webstore.com/guinness/hdocs/index2.asp?prod=97&action=details&cat=39&col=0 Ornaments: http://www.guinness-webstore.com/guinness/hdocs/index2.asp?prod=211&action=details&cat=61&col=0 And now, join the Guinness Drinkers SECRET SOCIETY, "The 1759 Society." "Fellowship: An exclusive domain. The private 1759 Society website is your connection with those around the corner and around the country who share your love of GUINNESS. The information, news and entertainment it imparts is exclusively for members and can be accessed only through your personal password." http://www.1759society.com/default.asp Guinness does real weird stereoscopic projection stuff! http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/project_udv.htm Plus, WEIRDEST AND BEST OF ALL, Guinness projects "clouds" to entertain drunk people! "Cloud is an interactive web project with a projection in the Dublin night sky. The work consists of a 360-degree simulation of a cloud projected high up in the Gravity Bar at Storehouse in Dublin." http://www.5th.guinnessstorehouse.com/cloud/ http://www.art.ie/viewevent.asp?Title=Cloud&ID=4582 FYI, "Storehouse" is the physical and SPIRITUAL home of Guinnness, in Dublin. http://www.guinnessstorehouse.com/ Jake -- .^....^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .) --Christopher Walken `{""}' ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Nov 28 11:55:21 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bruce Schneier on DRM In-Reply-To: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net> References: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128115521.D32527@linuxmafia.com> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > This came floating by on another list. Is it from Secrets and Lies? No. Crypto-Gram. http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0108.html#7 From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 28 12:04:51 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bruce Schneier on DRM In-Reply-To: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:39:26AM -0800 References: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128140451.A32509@magic.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:39:26AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > This came floating by on another list. Is it from Secrets and Lies? > > > Every time I write about the impossibility of effectively protecting > > digital files on a general-purpose computer, I get responses from > > people decrying the death of copyright. "How will authors and > > artists get paid for their work?" they ask me. Truth be told, I > > don't know. I feel rather like the physicist who just explained > > relativity to a group of would-be interstellar travelers, only to be > > asked: "How do you expect us to get to the stars, then?" I'm sorry, > > but I don't know that, either. He used that line at a lecture I was at a few weeks back. The lecture was set up by the local free Dmitry people, although Bruce didn't actually mention Dmitry at all. Supposedly somebody was going to put his slides online, but I haven't seen them about. Another good comment he made was that the business model of broadcast television was based on trying to get the most people to steal your content as possible, so you can charge the advertisers more. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Nov 28 13:19:27 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <20011128111711.A5566@lxbox3.standmed.int>; from mdillon@standmed.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:17:11AM -0800 References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011127133213.A3530@decklin.2y.net> <6uzo57waiz.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011128100112.F11097@zork.net> <20011128111711.A5566@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011128131927.D6899@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:17:11AM -0800, mike dillon wrote: > begin Monkey Master quotation: > > begin Sean Neakums quotation: > > > "WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHAAAAAAAAA!!! I'M > > > CRAAAAAZY SIGGMUNDD!!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! NEE'ME > > > S'MORE O'THAT SHIT!" > > > -- mike dillon > > > > When did he say this? YOU'RE NO BEN FRANKLIN! > > Cf. http://www.crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q4/023769.html > > It's on the Innurnet, so... aw, fuck, you know. > It turns your dick orange? -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 28 13:24:48 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [squinky@dasbistro.com: [Dasbanter] Yippie!] Message-ID: <20011128132448.P11097@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Not Erik ----- this link is stolen from I Love Bacon: http://www.sportshooter.com/events/swedishbikinis.htm The Swedish Bikini Team with guns! I'll never need pr0n again! _______________________________________________ dasbanter mailing list dasbanter@dasbistro.com http://www.dasbistro.com/mailman/listinfo/dasbanter ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From decklin at red-bean.com Wed Nov 28 13:46:10 2001 From: decklin at red-bean.com (Decklin Foster) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tip of the day In-Reply-To: <20011128131927.D6899@dasbistro.com> References: <6u4rnizvsm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011126172131.A29500@decklin.2y.net> <6usnb0y4x0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011127133213.A3530@decklin.2y.net> <6uzo57waiz.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011128100112.F11097@zork.net> <20011128111711.A5566@lxbox3.standmed.int> <20011128131927.D6899@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011128164610.B10711@decklin.2y.net> Sam Phillips writes: > It turns your dick orange? Cancelamento, baby! -- things change. decklin@red-bean.com From aaronl at vitelus.com Wed Nov 28 14:44:55 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bruce Schneier on DRM In-Reply-To: <20011128140451.A32509@magic.umn.edu> References: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net> <20011128140451.A32509@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011128144455.A19522@vitelus.com> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:04:51PM -0600, Brian D . Hicks wrote: > He used that line at a lecture I was at a few weeks back. The lecture was > set up by the local free Dmitry people, although Bruce didn't actually > mention Dmitry at all. > > Supposedly somebody was going to put his slides online, but I haven't seen > them about. Not sure if it's the same one, but there's one talk up at http://www.cs.umass.edu/~olc/pub/bruceschneier111501.ogg. From pedro at tastytronic.net Wed Nov 28 14:55:53 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hacking BIlly Big Mouth Bass Message-ID: <20011128165553.G16662@tastytronic.net> This is relatively old news, but I just thought of Hacking BBMB this weekend, and hadn't heard of this guy's preexisting work! This is fantastic! I'm going to have Billy on the wall in my office so he can insult coworkers whenever I feel like it! http://bigmouth.here-n-there.com/ Apologies if you've already seen this. pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 28 15:59:33 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bruce Schneier on DRM In-Reply-To: <20011128144455.A19522@vitelus.com>; from aaronl@vitelus.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:44:55PM -0800 References: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net> <20011128140451.A32509@magic.umn.edu> <20011128144455.A19522@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011128175933.B32509@magic.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:44:55PM -0800, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:04:51PM -0600, Brian D . Hicks wrote: > > He used that line at a lecture I was at a few weeks back. The lecture was > > set up by the local free Dmitry people, although Bruce didn't actually > > mention Dmitry at all. > > > > Supposedly somebody was going to put his slides online, but I haven't seen > > them about. > > Not sure if it's the same one, but there's one talk up at > http://www.cs.umass.edu/~olc/pub/bruceschneier111501.ogg. That's the one. Now find the slides. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 28 15:56:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hacking BIlly Big Mouth Bass In-Reply-To: <20011128165553.G16662@tastytronic.net> References: <20011128165553.G16662@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011128155606.R11097@zork.net> begin Uncle Pedro quotation: > http://bigmouth.here-n-there.com/ I love this: http://www.fftw.org/ > The Fastest Fourier Transform in the West is a world class > implementation of the Fast Fourier Transform (FFT). This C library > is open source. It is one of the cleanest interfaces to a math > library that I have ever used. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 28 19:42:42 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bruce Schneier on DRM In-Reply-To: <20011128140451.A32509@magic.umn.edu> References: <20011128113926.M11097@zork.net> <20011128140451.A32509@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <87667u6y4t.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "BDH" == Brian D Hicks writes: BDH> Supposedly somebody was going to put his slides online, but I BDH> haven't seen them about. Probably worried about unauthorized viewing and distribution. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...it occurred to me: the suckers have authority." -- Chuck D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 28 20:54:57 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Obsolete? Says who? Message-ID: <20011128225457.A4468@magic.umn.edu> A while back before I actually had a laptop capable of running linux, I set up an old TRS-80 Model 100 as a serial terminal to my linux box. Then, over a year later, when most of the details had faded from my memory into oblivion, I decided to write down how I did it. This is the result: http://eight.dhs.org/projects/mod100.html -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From magnus at bodin.org Wed Nov 28 22:47:13 2001 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Obsolete? Says who? In-Reply-To: <20011128225457.A4468@magic.umn.edu> References: <20011128225457.A4468@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011129074713.E14336@bodin.org> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:54:57PM -0600, Brian D . Hicks wrote: > A while back before I actually had a laptop capable of running linux, I > set up an old TRS-80 Model 100 as a serial terminal to my linux box. > > Then, over a year later, when most of the details had faded from my > memory into oblivion, I decided to write down how I did it. This is the > result: > > http://eight.dhs.org/projects/mod100.html Thanks. Now I know what to do with Erik H?rnfeldts old Tandy-200 he snatched from Expressen that rests in my bookshelf. Hmm.. Where's that Wireless RS-232 now again? /magnus From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 28 23:11:50 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Obsolete? Says who? In-Reply-To: <20011129074713.E14336@bodin.org>; from magnus@bodin.org on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:47:13AM +0100 References: <20011128225457.A4468@magic.umn.edu> <20011129074713.E14336@bodin.org> Message-ID: <20011129011150.B4468@magic.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:47:13AM +0100, Magnus Bodin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:54:57PM -0600, Brian D . Hicks wrote: > > > > http://eight.dhs.org/projects/mod100.html > > Thanks. Now I know what to do with Erik H?rnfeldts old Tandy-200 he > snatched from Expressen that rests in my bookshelf. The model 200 uses a different termcap, but a simple search for trs200 and termcap reveals the following: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6310/d2e.html -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Nov 28 23:44:56 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Make money fast! -- By trapping spammers with trespass charges] In-Reply-To: <20011121224946.A19219@zork.net> References: <20011121224946.A19219@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128234456.J12590@zork.net> Emad El-Haraty writes: > ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- > > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:32:38 -0500 > To: politech@politechbot.com > From: Declan McCullagh > Subject: FC: Make money fast! -- By trapping spammers with trespass charges > > --- > > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:31:03 -0500 > To: declan@well.com, politech@politechbot.com > From: "Robert L. Ellis" > Subject: Re: FC: Spammer-mocking critic replies to Politech posts > Cc: mfraase@farces.com > In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011121012243.0228a690@mail.well.com> > > For any politechnicals who have the energy and time to fight spammers (I > don't -- I gave up), as an attorney I can suggest a refinement of Michael > Fraase's tactic. > > [...] > > The above steps create a contractual basis (offer and acceptance) for the > invoice, and eliminate free-speech issues. The following is the text of a > letter which accomplishes this. I'm placing this text in the public domain. > - - - - - - - > [...] > > This message constitutes an offer which you may accept by sending > commercial email or causing it to be sent to any email address at any of > the above-listed domains. If you notify us that you do not agree to these > conditions, then you do not have permission to send UCE to any of the > above-listed domains; your doing so without permission will constitute > trespass to chattel and will be pursued by legal action. Noooo! Not trespass to chattels! http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/Intel_v_Hamidi/ -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 28 23:50:09 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] original kung-fu Message-ID: <20011128235009.S11097@zork.net> http://originalavengers.com/behindscenes/index.html > Emma Peel (nee Knight) is thought to be the first person ever to > perform kung fu on television. Rigg was taught the technique in 1965 > by stunt choreographer par excellence Ray Austin. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 28 23:51:30 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Make money fast! -- By trapping spammers with trespass charges] In-Reply-To: <20011128234456.J12590@zork.net> References: <20011121224946.A19219@zork.net> <20011128234456.J12590@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011128235129.T11097@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > Noooo! Not trespass to chattels! Three warps to Tuvalu? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 28 23:52:00 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011128235200.U11097@zork.net> he was scared off by the old-skool Diana Rigg technique. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- tudorb@pikka.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 28 23:53:16 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BBC 1 down the shitter Message-ID: <20011128235316.V11097@zork.net> To pub.me.jack@ofb.net gsend/0.99danger What happened to Radio 1? They are playing J-Lo and Dido. Where did all the cool music go? http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1.ogg -- Jack Moffitt at 11-28 23:26:53 -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 07:39:22 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 28 November 2001] Message-ID: <20011129073921.W11097@zork.net> PEACE LOVE LINUX I actually left the "recommendation" ad in this time, since I actually liked that book. ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily GUERRILLAS IN THE MIST "They knew it would create marketing. It's the guerrilla marketing that Ogilvy cherishes so much." San Francisco supervisor Gavin Newsom, on the city's imposition of a $100,000 fine against IBM for having its ad agency etch peace symbols, hearts, and penguins on municipal sidewalks, ZDNN, 28 November 2001 http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100026,00.html - - -recommendation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - For more on Linux, read Glyn Moody's "Rebel Code": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738203335/ditherati-20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 10:10:41 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [dfaust@post-e-mail.com: Problem with www.penguin-computing.net?] Message-ID: <20011129101041.X11097@zork.net> What the hell is Dundas Mailer Control? At least my X-.*Priority filter threw it in the losers pile. ANyone who sets their X-Priority is selling something. ----- Forwarded message from Dirk Faust ----- Envelope-to: nick@zork.net From: "Dirk Faust" To: nick@zork.net Subject: Problem with www.penguin-computing.net? Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:51:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Dundas Mailer Control 1.0 Reply-To: dfaust@post-e-mail.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2001 00:51:56.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B9D6820:01C17870] Hi, I just tried to visit your website at www.penguin-computing.net and got the following error in my Internet Explorer: Cannot find server or DNS Error It's probably just some router or something on the Internet, but thought you would like to know. Dirk Faust http://www.atlantys.org/ A New Paradigm in Freedom. NOTICE! THE CONTENTS OF THIS ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND PROTECTED UNDER COPYRIGHT. USE BY ANYONE OTHER THAN THE LISTED RECIPIENT(s) IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Without Prejudice, All Rights Reserved. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 10:26:05 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [snatcher@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] Tidbits from latest Walken Online Newsletter (WON)] Message-ID: <20011129102605.A11097@zork.net> Hooray for WALKEN MANIA! ----- Forwarded message from RatSnatcher ----- New Walken Christmas Items: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=fanclubstore,walken1 and... Interesting Chris Walken fan stuffs: Homemade Thanksgiving gifts for Mr. Walken: http://www.rosenbaumcreative.com/fanclub/gift.html Fantastical Christopher Walken-inspired music available online in mp3 format... --->8--- From: Lilian Vaz (lilianvaz@hotmail.com ) Hello, people! My name is Lilian Vaz and I am from Brazil. I am officially unemployed, although I am a free-lance worker, singer, songwriter, dj and v.o. If you are interested to know about my musical work, please visit the following sites: www.mp3.com/uniglory (All songs there are dedicated to Mr. Christopher Walken) www.mp3.com/lilianvaz (Some of my previous bands' songs) www.blacklight.com/uniglory.htm (My band's upcoming cd single) I am also a Protestant Christian. I have been Christopher Walken's fan since December 9th of 1996, when I saw The Prophecy film and then I started to compile films, articles and pictures of him. In the begining of 1999, I built a site dedicated to him called WALKEN IN MY SHOES - The First Brazilian Christopher Walken Page (which is usually very well visited - Thanks, visitors!), and I even built other sites for him, but they were deleted by the Homepage.com server, and the only site which remained was WALKEN IN MY SHOES, which you can visit on: www.geocities.com/walkenbrazil I also created two communities on the MSN site, where you can post messages, pictures, articles, sound and image files, and join its chatroom. Please, join them: http://communities.msn.com/ChristopherWalken http://communities.msn.com/WalkenBrazil I also wrote and performed some songs dedicated To Mr. Christopher Walken called "Onscreen", "Misinterpreted Soul" and "Mystery Attracts", which were written in partnership with Candy Rosenbaum, Patricia VanDyke and Paul Gabrieleschi. You can listen to them on: www.mp3.com/uniglory By the way,"Misinterpreted Soul" was released in a CD compilation by Blacklight Records called "Supreme Nocturnal Destruction" in 2000. I love, admire and respect Mr. Christopher Walken and his work for many reasons. He is a great and lovely human being, man, actor and also my brother in Jesus Christ, and I love Christopher Walken's essence in all this, including his spiritual side, the way he recognizes God as the important part in his success in his artistic career and in his real life. As Christopher Walken said in the GQ Magazine interview in March 2000: "God is the only thing to fear. God is a fact." It is all so true! God bless him in all areas of his life always! God bless you sincerely with real and true love from me and Him forever! Lilian Vaz. ICQ # 95317597 username: lilianvaz IM/AIM/AOL screen name: LilianVazLove Yahoo IM: walkenbrazil --->8--- Jake -- .^....^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .) --Christopher Walken `{""}' ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Nov 29 10:33:01 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 28 November 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011129073921.W11097@zork.net> References: <20011129073921.W11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011129103301.F23851@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:39:22AM -0800: > I actually left the "recommendation" ad in this time, since I > actually liked that book. ... But you're letting your message's precious Google juice trickle away to amazon.com! > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738203335/ditherati-20 -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 10:34:43 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Ministry plans flying dance clubs.] Message-ID: <20011129103443.B11097@zork.net> Speak up, you fuqwits, or I'll keep forwarding stupid shit to you all. ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: William Knowles http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/11/28/australia.dance/index.html November 28, 2001 Posted: 4:57 AM EST (0957 GMT) SYDNEY, Australia -- UK-based dance club and record label Ministry of Sound has put in a bid to buy four jets from collapsed Australian airline Ansett and transform them into flying nightclubs, Australian media has reported. Speaking to ABC radio this week, the company's commercial brand manager Richard Mergler, said the planes would be modified to recreate the nightclub experience in the sky. They would be used to transport Australian clubbers to dance parties in Australia and overseas. He said the company had originally planned to launch a Ministry of Sound airline in Europe but the collapse of Ansett had made aircraft and staff available in Australia. The planes would be refitted for the Ministry's own DJs to play with specially designed club-style lighting on board. According to the Melbourne-based newspaper The Age, the company plans to charge around A$200 for the Melbourne-Sydney hop. Clubbers would arrive in either city at about 10pm, pumped up by the in-flight DJ and ready to hit the dance floor. Return flights would then depart the following morning. Safety Asked about the plan, Australian Transport Minister John Anderson said he was uncertain about safety requirements for flying nightclubs. "That would take a lot of very careful consideration," the Associated Press quoted him as saying. According to the Age, if the plan gets government approval the flights would go ahead in January and February next year. After that the aircraft would be sent to Europe to ferry clubbers from London to Mediterranean dance hotspots such as Ibiza and Crete. Ansett, once the second largest airline in Australia's domestic aviation market, was put into administration in September by its financially troubled parent company, Air New Zealand. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 10:39:02 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Elements were never like this Message-ID: <20011129103902.C11097@zork.net> http://www.bmeworld.com/myrrh/modgeek.html MATH FOR PIERCING -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 10:42:58 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] fuq Message-ID: <20011129104258.E11097@zork.net> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-8011238.html Prepare for suckage. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 29 10:44:58 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:15 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] fuq In-Reply-To: <20011129104258.E11097@zork.net> References: <20011129104258.E11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011129104458.F11097@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-8011238.html A better source: http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48726,00.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 10:54:07 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Copyright Laws Hurt Culture Message-ID: <20011129105407.H11097@zork.net> http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,48625,00.html > DUBLIN, Ireland -- American copyright laws have gotten so out of > hand that they are causing the death of culture and the loss of the > world's intellectual history, according to Stanford technology law > professor Lawrence Lessig. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 10:57:12 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness Message-ID: <20011129105712.I11097@zork.net> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9tqv5k%242f28%241%40pencil.math.missouri.edu Once again, all the people who used to blather about how all forms of common courtesy were "Damned political correctness!" are the ones who are all snipping and saying "In the light of Sept. 11, your comments are inappropriate!" Fuqn looters. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 12:32:35 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: McNealy on Linux] Message-ID: <20011129123235.K11097@zork.net> gargargarlinuxgargargarsungargargarmcnealygargargarorangedickgargargar ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO66102,00.html Q&A: McNealy defends Sun reliability, personal privacy views by Don Tennant Q: Sun has done quite a bit in the way of Linux support, but you really haven't gone the IBM route of marketing Linux-based systems. Why is that? A: We're the No. 1 Linux appliance server supplier in the world with the Cobalt line [from the acquisition of Cobalt Networks Inc. last year]. We have Linux extensions to Solaris. We just don't think a Linux partition on a mainframe makes a lot of sense. It's kind of like having a trailer park in the back of your estate. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Nov 29 14:17:51 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011129105712.I11097@zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in November Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... |http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9tqv5k%242f28%241%40pencil.math.missouri.edu | | Once again, all the people who used to blather about how all |forms of common courtesy were "Damned political correctness!" are the |ones who are all snipping and saying "In the light of Sept. 11, your |comments are inappropriate!" | just as someone can tell people not to hate, so can someone call them unpatriotic for saying it. the sillyness of the first amendment works both ways. the american council of trustees and alumni is a conservative organization, i know i wouldnt have guessed it either. there are nuts like this in every camp. people on the fringes share the same rights as you or i do. -- john The day Marvin Gaye and Phil Ochs got married The trees all waved their giant arms And happiness bled from every streetcorner And biplanes bombed with fluffy pillows --tmbg "the day" From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 14:56:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Either that's a very young Dr. Loveless, or it's a kid who stuck his head in the shoe-store flouroscope a few too many times. Message-ID: <20011129145634.N11097@zork.net> http://lileks.com/institute/gallery/misc/raleigh1.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 15:06:49 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BEEF makes the crust! Message-ID: <20011129150649.O11097@zork.net> http://lileks.com/institute/gallery/misc/hunt3.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 16:33:49 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [heartthrob@dasbistro.com: Re: [Dasbanter] Andrew Morton rides bicycles...] Message-ID: <20011129163349.P11097@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Your Mother ----- On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:50:16AM -0800, Ken Manz wrote: > > I don't suppose you renoans ever got OK Soda in your area, did > > you? > > Any feelings of OK-ness are not to be associated with OK Soda. > > To report situations where you have felt "OK", call 1-800-I-FEEL-OK > > Didn't hit Reno. But it was a festively tasty amalgamation of all the > coke products minus coke, with the best damn ad campaign I ever saw for a > soda... It totally did. My current roommate and former Renoan felt personally shafted after OK Soda pulled up stakes a mere two weeks or whatever flash period they were in town for. I REMEMBER SEEING CANS! anyway, having pretty much cut out soda from my diet, i'd have to say that Jones Soda is really the only worthwhile soda company out there. You gotta have some admiration for people who have the brass to name soda flavors after colors. your fiendly neighborhood spider-guy, --Tedd _______________________________________________ dasbanter mailing list dasbanter@dasbistro.com http://www.dasbistro.com/mailman/listinfo/dasbanter ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From zen at zork.net Thu Nov 29 17:16:04 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011129105712.I11097@zork.net> References: <20011129105712.I11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011129171604.A26114@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9tqv5k%242f28%241%40pencil.math.missouri.edu ^^^ 242 Sighting! -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 29 17:40:00 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oh, and did I mention? Message-ID: <20011129174000.R11097@zork.net> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/robotfindskitten.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 00:36:18 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:17:51 -0500 (EST)") References: Message-ID: <6uhercslj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin harrold quotation: > people on the fringes share the same rights as you or i do. Yes, but unlike us, they are not /entitled/ to them. -- "I am the stick in your brain-spokes. Happy landings!" -- Eamon de Valera From jmorris at intercode.com.au Fri Nov 30 01:17:10 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <6uhercslj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > begin harrold quotation: > > > people on the fringes share the same rights as you or i do. > > Yes, but unlike us, they are not /entitled/ to them. > Do you have constiutional rights in Eire? People keep saying we don't here, but beer, sausages and feisty women are ever plentiful, so something must be right. - James -- James Morris From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 01:23:08 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: (James Morris's message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:17:10 +1100 (EST)") References: Message-ID: <6uvgfsr4sj.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: >> begin harrold quotation: >> > people on the fringes share the same rights as you or i do. >> Yes, but unlike us, they are not /entitled/ to them. > > Do you have constiutional rights in Eire? Lots of 'em. Freedonm of speech, freedom of religion, all that jazz. I should note that by "us" I meant non-crazy non-fringe people, not non-Merkins. > People keep saying we don't here, but beer, sausages and feisty > women are ever plentiful, so something must be right. And you have a Queen to open new pubs for you. Beaujolais! -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From jmorris at intercode.com.au Fri Nov 30 01:48:53 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <6uvgfsr4sj.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > And you have a Queen to open new pubs for you. Beaujolais! Did you know she can strip a truck engine down and put it back together? She learned this after joining the national service during WWII. Who woulda guessed? - James -- James Morris From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Nov 30 02:51:10 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness References: Message-ID: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> James Morris wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > > > And you have a Queen to open new pubs for you. Beaujolais! > > Did you know she can strip a truck engine down and put it back together? > She learned this after joining the national service during WWII. > > Who woulda guessed? I woulda guessed that JamesM is not a republican. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited People who go to conferences are the ones who shouldn't. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 02:54:16 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> (Rick Welykochy's message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:51:10 +1100") References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Rick Welykochy quotation: > James Morris wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: >> > And you have a Queen to open new pubs for you. Beaujolais! >> Did you know she can strip a truck engine down and put it back together? >> She learned this after joining the national service during WWII. >> >> Who woulda guessed? > > I woulda guessed that JamesM is not a republican. And what practicel difference would it make if Australia's head of state were an inherited buffoon as opposed to an elected one? -- "What good is respect without the moolah to back it up? Everywhere I go I see teachers driving Ferraris, research scientists drinking champagne. I tried to drink a Coke on the bus, and they took away my pass!" -- Emad El-Haraty From jmorris at intercode.com.au Fri Nov 30 04:21:34 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Rick Welykochy wrote: > > I woulda guessed that JamesM is not a republican. > You want to be ruled by Chardonnay wankers waving arts degrees? I am so not surprised. - James -- James Morris From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 04:24:41 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: (James Morris's message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:21:34 +1100 (EST)") References: Message-ID: <6uitbsqwdy.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Rick Welykochy wrote: >> I woulda guessed that JamesM is not a republican. > > [...] Chardonnay [...] -- "Don't cut yourself." -- Eamon de Valera From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 06:27:53 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> > And what practicel difference would it make if Australia's head of state > were an inherited buffoon as opposed to an elected one? Individual mediocrity and democratic mediocrity. - Jeff -- For a list of points detailing how technology has failed to improve our lives, please press 3. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 06:37:04 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:27:53 +1100") References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> And what practicel difference would it make if Australia's head of >> state were an inherited buffoon as opposed to an elected one? > > Individual mediocrity and democratic mediocrity. I said "practical". It makes no difference to Joe Bloggs whether the head of state is some old biddy from across the water, or some bribe-taking fossil who was elected by the Chardonnay wanker elite. -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 06:46:14 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> > I said "practical". It makes no difference to Joe Bloggs whether the head > of state is some old biddy from across the water, or some bribe-taking > fossil who was elected by the Chardonnay wanker elite. Unless Joe Bloggs is an American. But then, they have a democratic right to look interested, but not do anything about it. The US electoral system is like disco without the dancing. Lots of pretty lights, lots of bad hair, but no real action or style to speak of. - Jeff -- "Stay away from my house, you freak! Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?" - Neal Stephenson, ITBWTCL From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 06:53:15 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:46:14 +1100") References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> I said "practical". It makes no difference to Joe Bloggs whether >> the head of state is some old biddy from across the water, or some >> bribe-taking fossil who was elected by the Chardonnay wanker elite. > > Unless Joe Bloggs is an American. Which has nothing to do with anything, since we're talking about Australia, not America. -- "Henceforth, my homepage will be SSL-accessible only. I do not propose to explain why." -- Eamon de Valera From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 07:00:11 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011201020011.S2893@perkypants.org> > Which has nothing to do with anything, since we're talking about > Australia, not America. Oh, I'm sorry... ! CONTEXT SWITCH APPROACHING, PLEASE PREPARE FOR CONVERSATIONAL TANGENT ! - Jeff -- Grind'n'wink. That is all. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 07:02:58 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201020011.S2893@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:00:11 +1100") References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020011.S2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6u667sqp25.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> Which has nothing to do with anything, since we're talking about >> Australia, not America. > > Oh, I'm sorry... > > ! CONTEXT SWITCH APPROACHING, PLEASE PREPARE FOR CONVERSATIONAL TANGENT ! It wasn't a conversation tangent, it was you doing an unoriginal America-knocking schtick because you had nothing of value to contribute to the discussion. -- "Snap into position; bounce 'til you ache!" -- Eamon de Valera From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 07:07:20 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <6u667sqp25.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020011.S2893@perkypants.org> <6u667sqp25.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011201020720.T2893@perkypants.org> > It wasn't a conversation tangent, it was you doing an unoriginal > America-knocking schtick because you had nothing of value to contribute to > the discussion. Holy shit. Sean Neakums has gone PC. Paint your doors black, it's going to be a rough ride from here on in. - Jeff -- We're passe with class, eh? From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 07:10:16 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201020720.T2893@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:07:20 +1100") References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020011.S2893@perkypants.org> <6u667sqp25.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020720.T2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6u1yigqopz.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> It wasn't a conversation tangent, it was you doing an unoriginal >> America-knocking schtick because you had nothing of value to >> contribute to the discussion. > > Holy shit. > > Sean Neakums has gone PC. Pissed-off/Cranky? I've been like that for a long time now, boyo. -- "Love and understanding are the ultimate crimes." -- Eamon de Valera From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 07:23:39 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <6u1yigqopz.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020011.S2893@perkypants.org> <6u667sqp25.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020720.T2893@perkypants.org> <6u1yigqopz.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011201022339.V2893@perkypants.org> > > Sean Neakums has gone PC. > > Pissed-off/Cranky? I've been like that for a long time now, boyo. "Pathetically Cliched", "Politically Correct" or "Popped Cherry". You may choose only two. - Jeff -- It's not just a song! It's a document of my life! From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 07:27:25 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201022339.V2893@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:23:39 +1100") References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <6uadx4qpic.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020011.S2893@perkypants.org> <6u667sqp25.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201020720.T2893@perkypants.org> <6u1yigqopz.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201022339.V2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6uwv08p9cy.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > >> > Sean Neakums has gone PC. >> Pissed-off/Cranky? I've been like that for a long time now, boyo. > > "Pathetically Cliched", "Politically Correct" or "Popped > Cherry". You may choose only two. Boy, you sure are generous. In fact, I am so overwhelmed by your generosity that I'll let you keep all three. A generous Australian. Will wonders never cease? -- "Faces pressed against the window: hey, they're just my friends." -- Eamon de Valera From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Nov 30 10:17:08 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011130121708.U32107@tastytronic.net> Quoting Jeff Waugh: > The US electoral system is like disco without the dancing. Lots of pretty > lights, lots of bad hair, but no real action or style to speak of. And it has been since the beginning; yet still we ramble on. pedro From decklin at red-bean.com Fri Nov 30 10:17:54 2001 From: decklin at red-bean.com (Decklin Foster) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BBC 1 down the shitter In-Reply-To: <20011128235316.V11097@zork.net> References: <20011128235316.V11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011130131754.A24163@decklin.2y.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > What happened to Radio 1? They are playing J-Lo and Dido. Where did > all the cool music go? Nights, pretty much. Try Giles Peterson Tue/Wed at midnight and Fabio & Grooverider Fri/Sat at 2. > http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1.ogg Thank you, thank you, thank you. I wasn't aware of this. Where'd you find it? -- things change. decklin@red-bean.com From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 30 10:32:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BBC 1 down the shitter In-Reply-To: <20011130131754.A24163@decklin.2y.net> References: <20011128235316.V11097@zork.net> <20011130131754.A24163@decklin.2y.net> Message-ID: <20011130103206.S11097@zork.net> begin Decklin Foster quotation: > Nick Moffitt writes: > > What happened to Radio 1? They are playing J-Lo and Dido. Where > > did all the cool music go? > > Nights, pretty much. Try Giles Peterson Tue/Wed at midnight and > Fabio & Grooverider Fri/Sat at 2. Of course, nights for the BBC are mid-afternoons for those of us in the past. > > http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1.ogg > > Thank you, thank you, thank you. I wasn't aware of this. Where'd you > find it? Jack Moffitt (no relation) pointed it out, since the BBC contacted the vorbis folks to ask for help in setting up their stream or something. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 30 10:36:29 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011130103629.U11097@zork.net> We were insufficiently scientific! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- j.wender@science-computing.de has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 10:40:35 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011130121708.U32107@tastytronic.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <20011130121708.U32107@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011201054035.W2893@perkypants.org> > > The US electoral system is like disco without the dancing. Lots of > > pretty lights, lots of bad hair, but no real action or style to speak > > of. > > And it has been since the beginning; yet still we ramble on. There's no funky beard action anymore. Such a pity. - Jeff -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 30 10:44:28 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mayor Banishes Satan Message-ID: <20011130104428.W11097@zork.net> http://www.sptimes.com/News/112901/Citrus/Mayor_banishes_Satan_.shtml -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Nov 30 10:45:58 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201054035.W2893@perkypants.org> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <20011130121708.U32107@tastytronic.net> <20011201054035.W2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011130124558.Z32107@tastytronic.net> Quoting Jeff Waugh: > > And it has been since the beginning; yet still we ramble on. > > There's no funky beard action anymore. Such a pity. The thing that REALLY gets me, is how so many of the issues in the Federalist Papers, etc., the very issues that the founders were trying to avoid, are the very issues that have crept up to our necks here. I'm not one of those people that worships the founders -- but so many of their comments really cut to the heart of the governmental avalanche that we're experiencing right now. Unfortunately, there's no empty continent in the middle of the Pacific for us to go start over on. pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Nov 30 10:50:21 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20011130103629.U11097@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:36:29AM -0800 References: <20011130103629.U11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011130105019.A15861@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > We were insufficiently scientific! May i ask that those of you who have opted to remove your lab coats in favor of your "birthday suits" kindly put them back on? Your orange-dick demonstrations are great and all, but you're beginning to scare away the Germans. -md From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 10:56:15 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HAPPY MAILMAN DAY! Message-ID: <20011201055615.Y2893@perkypants.org> HAPPY ... MAILMAN ... DAY! Happy Mailman Day from the Early Mailman side of the planet! __ _ __ _ _ / /_| | _____ __/ / __ _ _| | | / / _` |/ _ \ \ / / / '_ \| | | | | | / / (_| | __/\ V / /| | | | |_| | | | /_/ \__,_|\___| \_/_/ |_| |_|\__,_|_|_| - Diagram 1a Depiction of UNIX(tm) /dev/null device - Jeff -- ... *bounce*bounce*bounce* From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Nov 30 11:08:52 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011130124558.Z32107@tastytronic.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <20011130121708.U32107@tastytronic.net> <20011201054035.W2893@perkypants.org> <20011130124558.Z32107@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011201060852.Z2893@perkypants.org> > The thing that REALLY gets me, is how so many of the issues in the > Federalist Papers, etc., the very issues that the founders were trying > to avoid, are the very issues that have crept up to our necks here. In a moment of seriousness, yes. It's a horrendous situation when critical discussion of political issues becomes "unpatiotic" and "on the side of terrorism". Chomsky has taken a huge beating for his views, which surprises many outside the US, because he's generally voiced what we see and believe from the outside. > Unfortunately, there's no empty continent in the middle of the Pacific > for us to go start over on. You can always apply for refugee status here. And we have idyllic Pacific islands and free cruises to entertain you during your stay. You might get a bit bored of the detention centre food, however. - Jeff -- 100% Pure Slashdot Wisdom: "Source code gives a whole new meaning to free software." From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 30 10:48:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011201054035.W2893@perkypants.org> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <20011130121708.U32107@tastytronic.net> <20011201054035.W2893@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011130104815.X11097@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > There's no funky beard action anymore. Such a pity. Here, try this bargain beard: http://tastytronic.net/main/bargain_beard.jpg -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Nov 30 11:16:14 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011130104815.X11097@zork.net> References: <3C07649E.18BF237A@praxis.com.au> <6un114r0kn.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201012753.P2893@perkypants.org> <6uelmgqq9b.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011201014614.Q2893@perkypants.org> <20011130121708.U32107@tastytronic.net> <20011201054035.W2893@perkypants.org> <20011130104815.X11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011130131614.A32107@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > Here, try this bargain beard: > > http://tastytronic.net/main/bargain_beard.jpg Or this: http://flynn.zork.net/~pedro/seth0.html From jack at xiph.org Fri Nov 30 11:21:54 2001 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BBC 1 down the shitter In-Reply-To: <20011130131754.A24163@decklin.2y.net> References: <20011128235316.V11097@zork.net> <20011130131754.A24163@decklin.2y.net> Message-ID: <20011130122154.G6462@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > > http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1.ogg > > Thank you, thank you, thank you. I wasn't aware of this. Where'd you > find it? You can find a list of all their scheduled Ogg broadcasts here: http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ I suggest writing and letting them know you appreciate it :) They are currently testing these and wma streams. Let's hope that Ogg wins. jack. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 30 11:41:56 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BBC 1 down the shitter In-Reply-To: <20011130122154.G6462@babyjesus.cantcode.com> References: <20011128235316.V11097@zork.net> <20011130131754.A24163@decklin.2y.net> <20011130122154.G6462@babyjesus.cantcode.com> Message-ID: <20011130114156.Z11097@zork.net> begin Jack Moffitt quotation: > http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/ > > I suggest writing and letting them know you appreciate it :) They > are currently testing these and wma streams. Let's hope that Ogg > wins. While you're there, ask about Ogg streams of the World Service. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Fri Nov 30 11:58:20 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mayor Banishes Satan In-Reply-To: <20011130104428.W11097@zork.net> References: <20011130104428.W11097@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011130115820.J18774@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > http://www.sptimes.com/News/112901/Citrus/Mayor_banishes_Satan_.shtml "We've gone so far in the separation of church and state it's almost like Christians don't have rights anymore." That's right, it's time for "Life in Our Anti-Christian America": http://www.infidels.org/misc/humor/lioaca.html -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Fri Nov 30 14:11:56 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011130124558.Z32107@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > > Unfortunately, there's no empty continent in the middle of the Pacific > for us to go start over on. > Why not travel to a new planet in a spaceship. - James -- James Morris From sneakums at zork.net Fri Nov 30 14:20:54 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: (James Morris's message of "Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:11:56 +1100 (EST)") References: Message-ID: <6u7ks7aojd.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: >> Unfortunately, there's no empty continent in the middle of the Pacific >> for us to go start over on. > > Why not travel to a new planet in a spaceship. Venus is nice this time of year. -- "Love and understanding are the ultimate crimes." -- Eamon de Valera From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Nov 30 14:26:23 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: References: <20011130124558.Z32107@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011130162623.F32107@tastytronic.net> Quoting James Morris: > Why not travel to a new planet in a spaceship. Get thee behind me, Stephen Hawking! unclepedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 30 14:28:38 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:16 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [snatcher@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] this is exactly what I've been saying] Message-ID: <20011130142838.E11097@zork.net> ALL HAIL THE NEW MAC USERS ----- Forwarded message from RatSnatcher ----- Mac OS X is Good. Pre-OS X Macintosh people are Bad. There's just no two ways about it. After the coup, after they fired Mr. Steven P. Jobs and brought in all them shitheal CEOs to run Apple into the ground and milk the Mac to death... bad Amiger users, OS/2 dropouts, purple multi-media people, skunk-apes and whatnot floated into the Mac user base... The broad-minded, early-adopter computer people dropped the Macintosh back in the '80s, leaving for ungreen pastures... the wasteland of Win32 and the archipelago of unices, where they hoped to survive at the application level or grow new platforms atop and inside (Javur, for e.g.). Those who stayed in Macitoshland, living in the past -- the diehard Mac hippies -- were just no damn good anyway! And so, the Macintosh became the worst platform of them all... (It was a terrible day for the world when Microsoft, after many, many botched iterations, completely reproduced, and then surpassed the usability and technical achievements of the Macintosh... so many years ago. But it's not hard to shoot a sitting squirrel.) So there is no mystery here: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/newsletters/20011126.html "The New Mac User" is the OLD Mac user from back in the day. We're back to reclaim territory in our old homeland, and kick all these fucking hippies out into the cold gutter. Get the fuck out! Now it is time to cut the cord to Mac OS 9- and let these interlopers float back to Amegaland, and the lonely hell that they call computing. Jake -- .^....^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .) --Christopher Walken `{""}' ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Nov 30 15:12:16 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:17 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Patriotic Incorrectness In-Reply-To: <20011130162623.F32107@tastytronic.net> References: <20011130124558.Z32107@tastytronic.net> <20011130162623.F32107@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011130151216.B28854@zgp.org> begin Peter A. Peterson II quotation of Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 04:26:23PM -0600: > Quoting James Morris: > > Why not travel to a new planet in a spaceship. > > Get thee behind me, Stephen Hawking! Quick, check out the weather channel 162.55MHz -- Prof. Hawking is the guest weather announcer! It's a great way to get kids excited about science, IMHO. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Nov 30 15:39:52 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:17 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribenotification] In-Reply-To: <20011130103629.U11097@zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > We were insufficiently scientific! Spock wept. From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 30 15:43:15 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:17 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Movie cliches Message-ID: <20011130154315.H11097@zork.net> <@samp> hah those are like some of the GURPS combat rules http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:zMuFZWpSgHA:www.gurlpages.com/daredevel/hp/frames/GMTerms.txt -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.)