[free-sklyarov] Loyalty: to whom?

[Ilya Volynets]

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On Tuesday 24 July 2001 00:56, y s wrote:
> Congratulations, moslerinc.com is unmasked! Thanks to Seth David Schoen
> <schoen at loyalty.org>!
> Wait a moment... Let us check what is loyalty.org. Its web site says:
> "The server which carries the loyalty.org web site crashed and has made the
> CAF web site is temporarily unavailable. It will be restored shortly.
> Californians for Academic Freedom is an organization opposed to the loyalty
> oath for California public employees, including faculty, staff, and
> students who work for the State in public schools."
May I ask you, Sir, what relation to education persoanlly you have.
It is well noted that there are two professions, everybody knowse evrything
about: midicine and teatching. Well, that is at least very true for Russia.

Another question, I'd like to ask, is: "What exactly do you know about
loyality oath that loyalty.org fights against?"

Once you answer these two questions, we can esteblish some grounds for
(possibly private, since it is offtopic here) discussion about these matters.

> Why LOYALTY OATH "for California public employees, ... who work for the
> State in public schools" is so bad? I thought that with all problems in our
> public shools, teachers' loyalty would be the last thing to be opposed.
> Unless you get your inspiration from the certain sources...
> Things look more logical if we read Seth's favorite quote from previous
> postings:
> "Its really terrible when FBI arrested hacker, who visited USA with
> peacefull mission -- to share his knowledge with
> american nation.  (Ilya V. Vasilyev) "
> Now I can guess who was the guy with the Russian flag among San Jose
> protesters.
Is there a problem with carrying russian flag, especially when russian
citizen is the reason for rally? I'd like to hear some reasoning, that leads
to this. Just out of curiocity.

> - Y S
>
> P.S. Another favorite quote is [Pirke Avot 2:5]. Pirke Avot? Doesn't it
> mean "The Ethics of Fathers"? Great inspiration for the sign:
> "Adobe: <DEL>Take Our Daughters To Work Day</DEL>
>   ...Send Our Father To Jail Day"
Well, that's exacly what Adobe, or, as a matter of fact, any large corporation
is aming for by it's nature. You can't blame tiger for eating other animals,
but you have to fight it, in order to survive yourself. And way of fight for
individuals, is knowledge. We must educate each other.

As a side note, there obviously were daughters in SJ Adobe office.

> From: Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org>
>
> >To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
> >Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] wow - the world is ending (fwd)
> >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:29:27 -0700
> >
> >Pablos Kadrevis writes:
> > > I think this guy needs to be engaged in a lively discussion about fair
> >
> >use.
> >
> > > Any takers?
> > >
> > > pablos.
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> > > Date: Monday, July 23, 2001 5:51 PM -0400
> > > From: "Spalding, Keith            HAMOH" <SpaldingK at moslerinc.com>
> > > To: "'circularfile at boycottadobe.com'" <circularfile at boycottadobe.com>
> > > Subject: wow - the world is ending
> > >
> > >
> > > You all are nuts!!!!!
> > >
> > > this guy is no more than a bank robber
> > >
> > > Lets see - I put my money in a safe. [...]
> > >
> > > ---------- End Forwarded Message ----------
> >
> >Mosler Inc. is, of course, a maker of ... safes.
> >
> >"When all you have is a hammer..."
> >
> >--
> >Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org> | Its really terrible when FBI
> >arrested
> >Temp.  http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with
> >peacefull
> >down:  http://www.loyalty.org/   (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge
> >with
> >      http://www.freesklyarov.org/      | american nation.  (Ilya V.
> >Vasilyev)
> >
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