[free-sklyarov] Compromise? Balance?
proclus at iname.com
proclus at iname.com
Sat Jul 28 16:49:46 PDT 2001
I'm in full agreement with this, and sorry I didn't add the
antiglobalists to my earlier list. Bringing them in would make us much
stronger IMHO, with a much broader base.
On 28 Jul, Paul Gowder wrote:
> I'll add my own two centimes to this one. Such commentary basically being:
> that's why we're on the march. The new anti-corporate activism is the
> opposing force to this "total control" universe, and the geektavists in the
> world need to get with the program.
> It's not just the internet that creates the power
> structure. Fundamentally, the total informational control over the
> internet is just a new dimension to the total economic control (ie.
> globalism, with capital being mobile and labor being forced to stay in one
> place by immigration laws, with the expected monopolistic effects), the
> total political control (of bought politicians) and the total environmental
> control (again, capital is mobile. Nature is not. if capital were
> prohibited from flocking to nations with no environmental protections,
> maybe the people of the several nations would have some power.) that
> corporations presently have. The Sklyarov affair is archetypal. Capital,
> a corporation, reached across international boundaries to pluck out the eye
> that offended it. It did so using its political control to enforce its
> economic and informational control. All Adobe didn't do was chop down an
> old-growth forest.
> It's all the same problem. It's all the same solution -- weaken corporate
> power, increase democratic power. Hence the people in Genoa protesting the
> G-8 are working for exactly the same thing as the people in San Jose
> protesting the arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov.
> The internet is Not Special.
> ps. Love the e-mail address Eric.
> At 04:03 PM 7/28/01, Eric C. Grimm wrote:
>>William Ahern says:
>>But, the internet gives power to the people. The internet is the great
>>equalizer, and that's why all of those lusers out in dot.com land are so
>>frustrated rent seeking.
>>But, in order to keep it that way, and to keep the capacity for change in
>>OUR hands, we need to keep it open. (that means fighting things like the
>>DMCA and and also more subtle things like data-differentiation on the
>>network, like what the big backbone providers are pushing for (think about
>>the ATM craze)).
>>So, on-the-whole things are probably brighter than what one could
>>superficially take from your piece . . .
>>I certainly agree with you, at least to a point, William. The Interent
>>certainly CAN be (or, more acurately, can become again) the "great
>>equalizer." But certainly, no particular future is foreordained or
>>The Internet is what we (collectively) make of it. And, if we are not
>>careful, the Internet and information technology generally it is at least
>>equally likely to become -- as professor Lessig puts it -- "the instrument
>>of perfect control" as it is to enhance freedom. Based on observing both
>>technological and legislative developments for some time, I hate to say that
>>I must put myself squarely in the camp of the "pessimists" along with
>>Lawrence Lessig -- and perhaps our own resident editorialist / "journalist"
>>/ kibitzer from Wired.
>>At least if the arrow of legislation over the past several years points in
>>the general direction of where we are headed (and we can look to other signs
>>like software licenses or frequency of surreptitious insertion of data
>>collection mechanisms into both Interenet content and "client" software
>>code), then I have to say the day of "perfect control" may be much closer at
>>hand than the dawn of "perfect freedom." But again, that will be so only if
>>people make it so.
>>What say you?
> -Paul Gowder
> "It's because they're stupid. That's why everyone does everything."
> - Homer Simpson
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