From tom at lemuria.org Fri Mar 1 00:28:26 2002 From: tom at lemuria.org (Tom) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] DMCA applies to Whole World, Say Prosecutors In-Reply-To: <3C6B3A0D.20ED56DC@RealMeasures.dyndns.org>; from seth.johnson@RealMeasures.dyndns.org on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:16:13PM -0500 References: <3C6B3A0D.20ED56DC@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20020301092825.B793@lemuria.org> On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:16:13PM -0500, Seth Johnson wrote: > WORLDWIDE DMCA applicability claimed by federal prosecutors > in Elcomsoft copyright case. Internet said to make it > impossible to apply only within U.S. (P. 1) see my related post from about a month ago to dmca-discuss. if I were a politician with some spine anywhere in the world, I'd tell the US that if they want to shove aside my nations laws, they should at least do it the old-fashioned way, with bombs and soldiers. -- http://web.lemuria.org/pubkey.html pub 1024D/D88D35A6 2001-11-14 Tom Vogt Key fingerprint = 276B B7BB E4D8 FCCE DB8F F965 310B 811A D88D 35A6 From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Fri Mar 1 03:36:36 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Four years on, digital copyright law revs up Message-ID: <1034810143.20020301143636@elcomsoft.com> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/02/18/copyright.law.idg/ -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From proclus at iname.com Fri Mar 1 10:30:21 2002 From: proclus at iname.com (proclus) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] email commerce Message-ID: <200203011830.g21IUMY23429@moerbeke> Now in the wake of this awful travesty of a senate hearing, this is the time to email the leaders of the commerce committee. http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/news.shtml http://hollings.senate.gov/webform.html mailto:John_McCain@McCain.senate.gov Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ From schoen at loyalty.org Fri Mar 1 11:43:56 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] email commerce In-Reply-To: <200203011830.g21IUMY23429@moerbeke> References: <200203011830.g21IUMY23429@moerbeke> Message-ID: <20020301194356.GN11212@zork.net> proclus writes: > Now in the wake of this awful travesty of a senate hearing, this is the > time to email the leaders of the commerce committee. > > http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/news.shtml > http://hollings.senate.gov/webform.html > mailto:John_McCain@McCain.senate.gov I often ask people to e-mail Congress, but you get more attention, and a physical response, if you can send a paper letter. (You're still, in general, just thrown into a statistical pool, but you can increase the chance that a legislator receives a note or briefing that "n citizens believe x".) -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From ed at hintz.org Fri Mar 1 12:25:41 2002 From: ed at hintz.org (Ed Hintz) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] email commerce In-Reply-To: <20020301194356.GN11212@zork.net> References: <20020301194356.GN11212@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020301202541.29058@127.0.0.1> On 3/1/02, schoen@loyalty.org thus spake: >I often ask people to e-mail Congress, but you get more attention, and >a physical response, if you can send a paper letter. (You're still, >in general, just thrown into a statistical pool, but you can increase >the chance that a legislator receives a note or briefing that "n >citizens believe x".) A quasi-compromise can be found with various fax campaigns-the ACLU and the Sierra Club, among others, have systems by which you can have a fax sent to your Senators and such in your name, via a web form. Probably not as good as a paper letter, but more likely to get attention than email I expect. Check the respective websites for info on the systems. Peace, Edmund A. Hintz **|** "You may say I'm a dreamer, Mac Techie, Unix Geek, * | * But I'm not the only one... Mac/Unix Consultant * /|\ * I hope someday you'll join us, */ | \* And the world will live as one. '78 Westy ***** Imagine." http://www.hintz.org From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Fri Mar 1 13:17:18 2002 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] email commerce In-Reply-To: <20020301202541.29058@127.0.0.1>; from ed@hintz.org on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 15:25:41 -0500 References: <20020301194356.GN11212@zork.net> <20020301202541.29058@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20020301161718.A5271@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Contact Lamar Robertson at lamar.robertson@mail.house.gov He works for Tony Weiner on IP issues (Dem House BRKLYN), who is likely to start to come onto the national stage on this issue Ruben On 2002.03.01 15:25 Ed Hintz wrote: > On 3/1/02, schoen@loyalty.org thus spake: > > >I often ask people to e-mail Congress, but you get more attention, and > >a physical response, if you can send a paper letter. (You're still, > >in general, just thrown into a statistical pool, but you can increase > >the chance that a legislator receives a note or briefing that "n > >citizens believe x".) > > A quasi-compromise can be found with various fax campaigns-the ACLU and > the Sierra Club, among others, have systems by which you can have a fax > sent to your Senators and such in your name, via a web form. Probably not > as good as a paper letter, but more likely to get attention than email I > expect. Check the respective websites for info on the systems. > > Peace, > > Edmund A. Hintz **|** "You may say I'm a dreamer, > Mac Techie, Unix Geek, * | * But I'm not the only one... > Mac/Unix Consultant * /|\ * I hope someday you'll join us, > */ | \* And the world will live as one. > '78 Westy ***** Imagine." > http://www.hintz.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > free-sklyarov mailing list > free-sklyarov@zork.net > http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/sins.mp3 - C'est La Vie and a boy named Joe http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 From tack at gaffle.com Sat Mar 2 08:09:54 2002 From: tack at gaffle.com (tack) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] bookShare...blind readers online Message-ID: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/03/02/bookish.napster.ap/index.html These people got a special exemption from copyright law to swap audio books online. We've found our blind readers. "The target audience, about 5 million people nationwide, qualifies Bookshare for a copyright exemption created in 1996 to encourage greater distribution of literature to the blind and reading-impaired." Can this extend to Advanced e-book processor? tack From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Mon Mar 4 22:49:18 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune Message-ID: <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,50797,00.html -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From ttt at cwru.edu Mon Mar 4 23:17:43 2002 From: ttt at cwru.edu (Tom Trelvik) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020305020654.00acbe18@pop.cwru.edu> Burton said the company was not specifically "targeting" the software to Americans, but that the software was instead available to anyone on the Internet, regardless of residence. But Assistant U.S. Attorney Scott Frewing dismissed those claims, arguing that the Internet is a "physical presence" made up of many computers in America, and that "the U.S. has every right to stop contraband" on those machines. Very interesting approach Elcomsoft is taking. Is anybody aware of any legal reasons why Mr. Frewing's views wouldn't also apply to the US being subject to the laws of other nations regarding the internet? I'm sure China, a number of ultra-conservative Islamic nations, and many others, I'm sure, would like to see a number of things currently on the internet made unavailable. If Mr. Frewing had his way, what's to stop those countries from forcing the US government into enforcing their laws for them? My apologies if these questions are ignorant of other legal issues at play, but I'm obviously no lawyer. =) Tom From crism at maden.org Mon Mar 4 23:28:02 2002 From: crism at maden.org (Christopher R. Maden) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020305020654.00acbe18@pop.cwru.edu> References: <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 23:17 4-03-2002, Tom Trelvik wrote: > Very interesting approach Elcomsoft is taking. Is anybody aware > of any legal reasons why Mr. Frewing's views wouldn't also apply to the > US being subject to the laws of other nations regarding the > internet? I'm sure China, a number of ultra-conservative Islamic > nations, and many others, I'm sure, would like to see a number of things > currently on the internet made unavailable. If Mr. Frewing had his way, > what's to stop those countries from forcing the US government into > enforcing their laws for them? This has already happened, as with the French case concerning Nazi memorabilia for sale on Yahoo!. But this is a little different, IMO, and I'm a bit surprised at the tack. The crime, or the most significant one, is trafficking. And even accepting the Internet as a nationless entity, commercial transactions were brokered through a US financial institution for delivery of a product to a US address. That's a little bit tough to argue as not happening in any particular nation. To my mind, the DMCA is a very bad law. It is almost certainly un-Constitutional. And I never thought that Dmitry broke it, as an employee of the company that actually sold the tool. However, it seems clear to this non-lawyer that Elcom did break the law, and trying to argue otherwise is going to be tricky at best. ~crism - -- Libertarian candidate, California State Assembly, District 13 Legalize Love - Legalize Health - Legalize Work Freelance text nerd: PGP Fingerprint: BBA6 4085 DED0 E176 D6D4 5DFC AC52 F825 AFEC 58DA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPIRzgqxS+CWv7FjaEQJBWwCfQiy63bs/8Ov8/FDqaN6jgnRGcyMAn3DC qrI4MoQsT/FNdSc88D7Hm6fP =CM+M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sethf at sethf.com Mon Mar 4 23:48:33 2002 From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020305020654.00acbe18@pop.cwru.edu>; from ttt@cwru.edu on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:17:43AM -0500 References: <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20020305020654.00acbe18@pop.cwru.edu> Message-ID: <20020305024833.A5115@sethf.com> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:17:43AM -0500, Tom Trelvik wrote: > Very interesting approach Elcomsoft is taking. Is anybody aware > of any legal reasons why Mr. Frewing's views wouldn't also apply to the US > being subject to the laws of other nations regarding the internet? I'm > sure China, a number of ultra-conservative Islamic nations, and many > others, I'm sure, would like to see a number of things currently on the > internet made unavailable. If Mr. Frewing had his way, what's to stop > those countries from forcing the US government into enforcing their laws > for them? Welcome to the wonderful world of globalization (pun intended). This whole topic is being argued and hashed-out everywhere from the General Agreements on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) to the *World* Trade Organization (WTO) to the *World* Intellectual Property Organization (WIP0) to some other acronyms you may have heard. There are two basic responses: 1) In countries which matter, a treaty protocol will be negotiated to resolve this issue where there are serious legal conflicts (such as differing intellectual property laws). The key word here is "harmonization". 2) In countries which don't matter, they can try to enforce their laws and see if anybody cares - Cuba and Nicaragua are notable examples. Just look at the topic from a general business view, not a cyberspace-is-elsewhere view, and it should be clearer. -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/19/technology/circuits/19HACK.html BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/loophole.php BESS vs Google: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Mon Mar 4 23:52:33 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> References: <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> Message-ID: <604826911.20020305105233@elcomsoft.com> Hello, > And even > accepting the Internet as a nationless entity, commercial transactions were > brokered through a US financial institution for delivery of a product to a > US address. First, "US financial instutution" (as I understand, you mean the billing service company that accepts credit card payments) is not much different from any bank. If, for example, I'll make wire transfer from my bank account in Russia to some account in Mexico, and by bank doesn't have a corresponding account in that mexican bank, the money will pass through at least one US bank (in 99% cases). It is not possible to transfer money directly from one person (or company) to another, without some "man in the middle". That US company worked just as a "postman". Second, they didn't care about delivery at all. Delivery (electronic one, i.e. the registration code -- read the official court documents) has been done solely by ElcomSoft, directly to the customer (throught the Internet, of course -- by email). /Vladimir vkatalov@elcomsoft.com From crism at maden.org Mon Mar 4 23:57:42 2002 From: crism at maden.org (Christopher R. Maden) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <604826911.20020305105233@elcomsoft.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304235407.00a8a2b0@mail.maden.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 23:52 4-03-2002, Vladimir Katalov wrote: >First, "US financial instutution" (as I understand, you mean the >billing service company that accepts credit card payments) is not much >different from any bank. If, for example, I'll make wire transfer from >my bank account in Russia to some account in Mexico, and by bank >doesn't have a corresponding account in that mexican bank, the money >will pass through at least one US bank (in 99% cases). It is not >possible to transfer money directly from one person (or company) to >another, without some "man in the middle". That US company worked just >as a "postman". There is a difference, I think. In your example, you initiated a transfer from Russia to Mexico - in other words, you voluntarily caused a transaction in each nation. If it happened to go through the US, it wasn't because you asked it to. But in this case, you asked a US credit card company to accept US credit cards and transfer the funds to you. You voluntarily requested that a transaction take place in the US. >Second, they didn't care about delivery at all. Delivery (electronic >one, i.e. the registration code -- read the official court documents) >has been done solely by ElcomSoft, directly to the customer (throught >the Internet, of course -- by email). If you cared about US law (not that you should, but if you did) you could have asked your customers to warrant that they were not in the US before delivering the key. This is similar to what downloaders of encryption products used to have to do. They can lie, of course, but then the onus is on them, not you. BTW, does your lawyer know you're posting here? I'm glad you're talking freely about this, but if I were your lawyer I think I'd be pitching a fit right about now. ~crism - -- Libertarian candidate, California State Assembly, District 13 Legalize Love - Legalize Health - Legalize Work Freelance text nerd: PGP Fingerprint: BBA6 4085 DED0 E176 D6D4 5DFC AC52 F825 AFEC 58DA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPIR6daxS+CWv7FjaEQL1lACgxCh19NmH4AjgYQddpmM+avuxFjsAoIVG bJYC3pUt0vKTr7cJUptlbPfy =l5W8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 5 00:16:49 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304235407.00a8a2b0@mail.maden.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304235407.00a8a2b0@mail.maden.org> Message-ID: <646283331.20020305111649@elcomsoft.com> Hello, > There is a difference, I think. In your example, you initiated a transfer > from Russia to Mexico - in other words, you voluntarily caused a > transaction in each nation. If it happened to go through the US, it wasn't > because you asked it to. But in this case, you asked a US credit card > company to accept US credit cards and transfer the funds to you. You > voluntarily requested that a transaction take place in the US. Well, but in the case of wire transfer, my bank voluntarily requests the transfer to be made through US ;) > If you cared about US law (not that you should, but if you did) you could > have asked your customers to warrant that they were not in the US before > delivering the key. This is similar to what downloaders of encryption > products used to have to do. They can lie, of course, but then the onus is > on them, not you. Agree (but unfortunately, it's too late now to discuss would that make any difference in court). > BTW, does your lawyer know you're posting here? I'm glad you're talking > freely about this, but if I were your lawyer I think I'd be pitching a fit > right about now. Well, so far I haven't said anything new for DOJ ;) Just the facts that are already known. And if I make any comments -- they reflect my own private position only, not the company's one. /Vladimir vkatalov@elcomsoft.com From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Mar 5 00:36:48 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <646283331.20020305111649@elcomsoft.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304235407.00a8a2b0@mail.maden.org> <646283331.20020305111649@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <20020305083648.GJ1058@zork.net> Vladimir Katalov writes: > Well, so far I haven't said anything new for DOJ ;) Just the facts > that are already known. And if I make any comments -- they reflect my > own private position only, not the company's one. Lawyers have been known to introduce personal statements out of context in court, in order to try to "prove" that someone "admitted" something. I've seen this happen in other copyright-related cases. For example, in the DVD CCA case (one of the cases about the DeCSS software), the plaintiffs' lawyers even took the step of introducing _third parties'_ comments, taken out of context from public discussions, to try to prove that there was a general perception in the Internet community that DeCSS was illegal, or that someone broke the law in creating it. Your own statements can be quoted out of context and might possibly hurt your case, even if they aren't meant to be the official position of Elcomsoft. Unfortunately, that means that you ought to check with your lawyers about what you post! -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From akatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 5 00:44:04 2002 From: akatalov at elcomsoft.com (Alex Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <646283331.20020305111649@elcomsoft.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304235407.00a8a2b0@mail.maden.org> <646283331.20020305111649@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <6724390318.20020305004404@elcomsoft.com> Vlad, >> BTW, does your lawyer know you're posting here? I'm glad you're talking >> freely about this, but if I were your lawyer I think I'd be pitching a fit >> right about now. VK> Well, so far I haven't said anything new for DOJ ;) Just the facts VK> that are already known. And if I make any comments -- they reflect my VK> own private position only, not the company's one. As I can only see - some guys who calls themselves as "Libertarian candidates" - are really "FBI Agent", and we need to stay far away from such persons! Chris, good luck to you with your favorite DMCA law! Be aware - we can now step away from this case at any minute, and we'll not be worry about you local laws anymore! -- Best regards, Alex mailto:akatalov@elcomsoft.com From crism at maden.org Tue Mar 5 00:54:59 2002 From: crism at maden.org (Christopher R. Maden) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Hackers: We're Immune In-Reply-To: <6724390318.20020305004404@elcomsoft.com> References: <646283331.20020305111649@elcomsoft.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <1831032074.20020305094918@elcomsoft.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304232406.00a97c20@mail.maden.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020304235407.00a8a2b0@mail.maden.org> <646283331.20020305111649@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020305005039.00a540f0@mail.maden.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 00:44 5-03-2002, Alex Katalov wrote: > >> BTW, does your lawyer know you're posting here? I'm glad you're talking > >> freely about this, but if I were your lawyer I think I'd be pitching a > fit > >> right about now. > >VK> Well, so far I haven't said anything new for DOJ ;) Just the facts >VK> that are already known. And if I make any comments -- they reflect my >VK> own private position only, not the company's one. > >As I can only see - some guys who calls themselves as "Libertarian >candidates" - are really "FBI Agent", and we need to stay far away >from such persons! (-: Probably. It's only a matter of time before the Libertarian Party gets declared a terrorist organization. That wouldn't help your case at all. >Chris, good luck to you with your favorite DMCA law! Unfortunately, I'm only running for state office, and (even if elected through some miraculous confluence of sanity in San Francisco) can't directly affect federal law. But my friend Ira Spivack who is running for Congress did attend a couple of the rallies here in SF. Unfortunately, he's running against the most powerful woman in the country and one of the top Democrat fundraisers, so I don't have a lot of hope there either. )-: >Be aware - we >can now step away from this case at any minute, and we'll not be worry >about you local laws anymore! Good. I'm deeply sorry that y'all got caught up in any of this (even if it was nice to have a chance to meet you). ~crism - -- Libertarian candidate, California State Assembly, District 13 Legalize Love - Legalize Health - Legalize Work Freelance text nerd: PGP Fingerprint: BBA6 4085 DED0 E176 D6D4 5DFC AC52 F825 AFEC 58DA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPISH46xS+CWv7FjaEQJYQgCgvEp7oiMHdUCOFqOEzE4B0NBh6ukAn2N/ ELJgEyHllmVfQo3zyUUBsOOr =3vK5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 5 01:11:40 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Lawyer says Internet outside U.S. law Message-ID: <1939575158.20020305121140@elcomsoft.com> http://news.com.com/2102-1001-851418.html -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From akatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 5 05:03:52 2002 From: akatalov at elcomsoft.com (Alex Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: Fwd: [free-sklyarov] Lawyer says Internet outside U.S. law Message-ID: <11039980588.20020305050352@elcomsoft.com> One more article in Wired - seems to be third during last 24 hours! Written by the journalist, who was personally presented in the court: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,50832,00.html -- Best regards, Alex mailto:akatalov@elcomsoft.com From igormotsnyi at hotmail.com Tue Mar 5 06:13:59 2002 From: igormotsnyi at hotmail.com (Igor Motsnyi) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Lawyer says Internet outside U.S. law Message-ID: There are two new stories: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1129693 http://www.cw360.com/bin/bladerunner?REQSESS=B36G965U&690REQEVENT=&CARTI=110436&CARTT=14&CCAT=2&CCHAN=28&CFLAV=1&CPAGEN=ArticlePage&CPAGET=-99999&CSEARCH=&CSESS=-99999&CTOPIC= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From tompoe at renonevada.net Thu Mar 7 15:14:39 2002 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Judge OKs FBI Keyboard Sniffing In-Reply-To: <34AAE4CF.A31A7E0F@limm.mgimo.ru> References: <13715986394.20020104160333@elcomsoft.com> <02010409490000.16780@aether> <34AAE4CF.A31A7E0F@limm.mgimo.ru> Message-ID: <02030715143902.21495@aether> On Wednesday 31 December 1997 16:35, Ilya V. Vasilyev wrote: - - - snip - - - > Is this not what Hitler wanted in 1945? He was strong guy -- it took > several years for Russia to show him, its not the good behaviour. ;-) - - - snip - - - Hi, Ilya: What we are witnessing, in my opinion, is nothing less than a verbatim iteration of that man's work. I would bet money, that the words from the RIAA, Congressional hearings, could be matched, word for word, from text from pre-World War II propaganda in Germany. From Jack Valenti, to Hilary Rosen, to Strom Thurmond, to Howlllinnnggg Idiot, and a lot of others that confuse the terrorist issues with copyright infringement, patent rights, and our individual freedoms. The line is blurring, and the march continues. If it weren't for the toxic fumes, we'd be seeing computers being burned, as well, I'll bet. There, how do you like them apples? Thanks, Tom P.S. Are you in Russia, now? From jei at cc.hut.fi Sun Mar 10 06:52:54 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Open Letter to Jack Valenti and Michael Eisner (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:05:24 -0500 From: Seth Johnson Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications To: CYBERIA-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Open Letter to Jack Valenti and Michael Eisner (An angry yet entirely on-the-money piece from Kevin Marks. -- Seth) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:47:23 -0800 From: Kevin Marks To: jvalenti@mpaa.org, michael.eisner@disney.com CC: Seth Johnson , David Farber A Open letter to Jack Valenti and Michael Eisner Jack, in your sneering Washington Post piece about copy protection, you refer to professors for whom '"innovation" is legalizing the breaking of protection codes'. Michael, in your testimony to congress you badgered an Intel exec until he told you that file copying can't be prevented, then told him he must prevent it anyway. As you are evidently impervious to logical discussion, let me tell you a story. This is the story of a rebel, a war hero, a persecuted homosexual, and a deep thinker. His life reads like the plot of a far-fetched movie, but if anyone fits your bogeyman image of professors who break code, it is Alan Turing. In 1936 Turing published a paper on theoretical mathematics, in which he described the Universal Turing machine. It was a simple mechanism that could read symbols from a tape, and write back different symbols or change the tape's direction. He showed that with this general purpose machine, you could simulate any special purpose computing machine. He had invented the idea of the programmable computer. Between 1938 and 1945, Turing worked in great secrecy on computing machines that broke codes. These were the first real computers ever made, and the codes they broke were those used by the German Wehrmacht. Without his work, it is very likely that Britain would have lost the War in Europe before Pearl Harbour. After the war, in 1950 Turing published other famous papers that laid the foundation for modern computing, and hence all the digital gadgetry that you would like to outlaw for us (though presumably you'd keep the computers you use to edit and create effects for your movies). Turing died in 1954 by biting into an apple he had previously poisoned. What does this story have to do with you? Turing's Universal Machine means that you cannot have a software or hardware protection scheme that is secure. Whatever scheme you come up with can be simulated by another computer. The computer industry are not opposing your bill because they want to encourage copying, or because they are bloody-minded, they are not opposing you because of your self serving rhetoric about rewarding artists (remember Peggy Lee, Michael?), they are opposing you because what you want is provably impossible. You can only succeed by making all Turing machines illegal. If Alan Turing had made an animated film involving a poisoned apple in 1936, it would still have copyright protection. He chose a different path, and gave the world the idea of the digital computer. I know whom I respect more. http://epeus.blogspot.com C-FIT Community Discussion List List Parent: seth.johnson@RealMeasures.dyndns.org C-FIT Home: http://RealMeasures.dyndns.org/C-FIT To Subscribe/Unsubscribe: ------------------------------------------------------------ Send "[Un]Subscribe C-FIT_Community" To Listserv@RealMeasures.dyndns.org ********************************************************************** For Listserv Instructions, see http://www.lawlists.net/cyberia Off-Topic threads: http://www.lawlists.net/mailman/listinfo/cyberia-ot Need more help? Send mail to: Cyberia-L-Request@listserv.aol.com ********************************************************************** From AKatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 12 02:57:22 2002 From: AKatalov at elcomsoft.com (AKatalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Locking Up Your Rights Message-ID: <13700817685.20020312135722@elcomsoft.com> Can it be illegal to give people the tools to break into their own property? The U.S. government thinks so: http://www.msnbc.com/news/722002.asp?cp1=1 -- Best regards, AKatalov mailto:AKatalov@elcomsoft.com From tompoe at renonevada.net Tue Mar 12 06:08:01 2002 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Locking Up Your Rights In-Reply-To: <13700817685.20020312135722@elcomsoft.com> References: <13700817685.20020312135722@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <02031206080100.09391@aether> On Tuesday 12 March 2002 02:57, AKatalov wrote: > Can it be illegal to give people the tools to break into their own > property? The U.S. government thinks so: > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/722002.asp?cp1=1 Hello: Let's hope some Congressmen/Senators take note as well. Thanks, Tom From rms at computerbytesman.com Tue Mar 12 08:57:49 2002 From: rms at computerbytesman.com (Richard M. Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] News Corp. accused of secretly breaking TV copy-protection scheme Message-ID: <001f01c1c9e7$0ba3d840$80f7a4d8@rms> Hi, Wow! According to this Vivendi Universal lawsuit against News Corp., News Corp. has been accused of secretly breaking a copy-protection scheme for V/U's digital satellite TV system and making this information available on the Internet. Sounds like copy-protection circumvention has become a competitive weapon! Ironically News Corp. has been a very vocal support of the Senator Hollings SSSCA bill which mandates copy protection hardware in all personal computers. Richard M. Smith http://www.ComputerBytesMan.com ====================================================================== Vivendi's Canal Plus alleges NDS helped steal digital-TV broadcasts French pay-TV firm sues News Corp. unit for $1 billion http://www.msnbc.com/news/722857.asp?0si=- March 12 - In a startling lawsuit, Vivendi Universal SA's Canal Plus Group accuses rival NDS Group PLC, controlled by News Corp., of directly aiding in the widespread pilfering of digital-TV broadcasts. The lawsuit, filed Monday in U.S. District Court in San Jose, Calif., involves the TV "smart cards" that both companies produce and which are supposed to ensure the secure delivery of digital-TV programming. The cards, which are inserted into set-top boxes, protect satellite and cable-TV signals from being swiped by customers who haven't paid to receive them. It is rare, if not unprecedented, for one media company to launch such a frontal assault on another over the issue of piracy, which they all agree is a crucial and potentially destructive problem. But in this case, Canal Plus Group, of Paris, and its Canal Plus Technologies unit allege that NDS in the late 1990s set up a massive operation at its research laboratory in Israel to break the computer code that operates Canal's smart card. That effort, the suit says, involved "electrical and optical examination of the protected internal software code of the card using expensive machinery designed and operated to defeat Canal Plus Technologies' protective measures." After the code was successfully extracted in 1998, Canal alleges, NDS transmitted it in a digital file to NDS Americas Inc. in California "with instructions that it be published on the Internet," so that it "would be freely available to anyone who wanted to use it to produce counterfeit" Canal Plus smart cards. The suit says that, in March 1999, the code was published on a Web site that Canal says is frequented by counterfeiters. From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Thu Mar 14 00:57:28 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] FBI spyware avoids scrutiny Message-ID: <13070744402.20020314115728@elcomsoft.com> With a guilty plea from a New Jersey bookmaker and a brush-off for a Texas congressman, the FBI has avoided shedding much light on its controversial computer-snooping technology. http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/0311/pol-fbi-03-11-02.asp -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From declan at well.com Thu Mar 21 17:34:56 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Text of Sen. Hollings' revised SSSCA, now called the CBDTPA Message-ID: <20020321203456.E30296@cluebot.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Text of Sen. Hollings' revised SSSCA, now called the CBDTPA To: politech@politechbot.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:52:30 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ I've placed the text of the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA) here: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/ Here's Sen. Fritz Hollings' (D-SC) statement and press release: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/hollings.cbdtpa.release.032102.html Wired News article on the CBDTPA: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51245,00.html Here are the statements from supporters and opponents: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/mpaa.cbdtpa.release.032102.html http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/riaa.cbdtpa.release.032102.html http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/bsa.cspp.iti.release.032102.html Politech archive on SSSCA (now, of course, called the CBDTPA): http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=sssca -Declan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Thu Mar 21 23:36:33 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Google Yanks Anti-Church Sites Message-ID: <19778657914.20020322103633@elcomsoft.com> Hello all, http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51233,00.html > WASHINGTON -- The Church of Scientology has managed to yank > references to anti-Scientology websites from the Google search > engine. > > Citing the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act, > Scientology lawyers are claiming that Google may no longer include > anti-Scientology sites that allegedly infringe upon the church's > intellectual property. > > A letter from Google to the Xenu.net Scientology-protest site says: > "We removed certain specific URLs in response to a notification.... > Had we not removed these URLs, we would be subject to a claim for > copyright infringement, regardless of its merits." > [...] > As far back as August 1995, Scientology sued one of its former > members for posting anti-church information to the Internet and > persuaded a federal judge to permit the seizure of his computer. The > church then sued The Washington Post for reporting on the computer > seizure and quoting from public court records. > > Last November, Scientology used the DMCA to pressure a U.S. Internet > provider to remove the church's secret scriptures from the > scientology-kills.org site. DMCA threats from the church seem to be > becoming so common that Dave Touretzsky, a scientist at Carnegie > Mellon, has even drafted a form letter that can be sent in reply. Now not only the links to other sites can be considered to be illegal, but even indexing some pages is prohibited!! Btw, could someone forward that link to 'dmca_discuss' mailing list, too? -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Mar 22 09:32:11 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Google Yanks Anti-Church Sites In-Reply-To: <19778657914.20020322103633@elcomsoft.com>; from vkatalov@elcomsoft.com on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:36:33AM +0300 References: <19778657914.20020322103633@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <20020322093211.B8633@zgp.org> begin Vladimir Katalov quotation of Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:36:33AM +0300: > Now not only the links to other sites can be considered to be illegal, > but even indexing some pages is prohibited!! We had a meeting yesterday with Google to discuss this issue and their DMCA policy. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/03/22/google.reut/index.html Yesterday, Google misrepresented their obligations under the DMCA, but then put back some but not all of the xenu.net pages. They are actively working on correcting their mistake, so more pages may be back in the index by the time you read this. The ultimate result of this mess will be more "Google Juice" for xenu.net, because of the publicity (see sig). To comment on this issue you can write to: comments@google.com -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From proclus at iname.com Fri Mar 22 16:55:50 2002 From: proclus at iname.com (proclus realm) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Comment on Holling's bill Message-ID: <200203230055.g2N0tpS04652@astrolabei> Below you will find my comment on Senator Holling's bill, the so-called Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act. You can send your comments to the Senate too. http://judiciary.senate.gov/special/input_form.cfm?comments=1 Here is some good background. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2c1283%2c51245%2c00.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2c1283%2c51275%2c00.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274-2,00.html Senator Holling's proposed bill and it's cousin, the DMCA, are attacks on American rights. For the profit of the depraved media industry, these laws undermine fair use, technological research and innovation, free speech, academic freedom, and even science itself. The purpose of copyright law is to protect these values so that good people can continue to make America great. These laws would make criminals of such people, who are fine citizens and certainly voters. Do not believe the cynical lies of the entertainment industry, who do not share such values. Do not sell out our rights to the highest bidder. Do not make criminals of our best citizens. Please send Hollywood back to California with empty hands. Please protect our nation from their selfish scheme. Repeal the DMCA, and do not pass on Holling's shameful proposal. Sincerely, Michael L. Love, Ph.D Cornell University Ithaca NY -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C++++ UBULI++++$ P+ L+++(++++) E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e++++ h--- r+++ y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org Sat Mar 23 07:13:54 2002 From: seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Comment on Holling's bill References: <200203230055.g2N0tpS04652@astrolabei> Message-ID: <3C9C9BB2.AA27069C@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> My man: This comment *kicks ass*. Seth Johnson proclus realm wrote: > > Below you will find my comment on Senator Holling's > bill, the so-called Consumer Broadband and Digital > Television Promotion Act. You can send your > comments to the Senate too. > > http://judiciary.senate.gov/special/input_form.cfm?comments=1 > > Here is some good background. > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2c1283%2c51245%2c00.html > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2c1283%2c51275%2c00.html > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274-2,00.html > > Senator Holling's proposed bill and it's cousin, the > DMCA, are attacks on American rights. For the profit > of the depraved media industry, these laws undermine > fair use, technological research and innovation, free > speech, academic freedom, and even science itself. > The purpose of copyright law is to protect these > values so that good people can continue to make > America great. These laws would make criminals of > such people, who are fine citizens and certainly > voters. Do not believe the cynical lies of the > entertainment industry, who do not share such values. > Do not sell out our rights to the highest bidder. > Do not make criminals of our best citizens. > > Please send Hollywood back to California with empty > hands. Please protect our nation from their selfish > scheme. Repeal the DMCA, and do not pass on > Holling's shameful proposal. > > Sincerely, > Michael L. Love, Ph.D > Cornell University > Ithaca NY -- [CC] Counter-copyright: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cc/cc.html From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 26 02:47:59 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:46 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Limit copying and we may end up copying the USSR Message-ID: <1297430413.20020326134759@elcomsoft.com> http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,672840,00.html -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From proclus at iname.com Tue Mar 26 04:02:03 2002 From: proclus at iname.com (proclus@iname.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:47 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Limit copying and we may end up copying the USS R In-Reply-To: <1297430413.20020326134759@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <200203261202.g2QC2CG23627@moerbeke> On 26 Mar, Vladimir Katalov wrote: > > http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,672840,00.html > Thanks so much for that excellent link, and nice to hear that someone remembers history. I'm old enough to remember Brezhnev, and book-loving people were repulsed by the samizdat laws. I also remember that copier access was restricted in the US by business people, who seemingly bought into the notion that the purpose of copyright is to keep people ignorant. Holling's reactionary proposal and the DMCA are also reminiscent of medieval attempts to block printing of the Bible. Book burning quickly springs to mind too, which illustrates a key point that was missed in the article. It is simply immoral to restrict copying in this manner, a lesson that apparently must be learned over and over again. Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C++++ UBOULI++++$ P+ L+++(++++) E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e++++ h--- r+++ y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm talking about the DMCA, of course. > However, the same can be said of UCITA and other spawn of the marriage > of unbridled corporate greed and purchased political power. > > How can it be a crime for me to go the store and purchase a DVD drive > for my computer, purchase a DVD movie at another store, and bring them > home and watch the movie? It appears to be one, because I am running > Linux and I don't have an "approved" software to decrypt the movie. We > need a modern day Boston Tea Party. We need to send the crooks a > message. An unencrypted message. We need to send it loud and clear: > WE'RE TAKING BACK THE CONSUMER RIGHTS YOU STOLE FROM US IN PASSING THE > DMCA! Okay, I'll get off that soapbox now. From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 26 04:48:54 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] A new ruling involving the DMCA is set to wipe out independent online music stations Message-ID: <976194320.20020326154854@elcomsoft.com> Web radio's last stand By Katharine Mieszkowski March 26, 2002 http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/03/26/web_radio/index.html?x > The Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel, a body appointed by the > U.S. Copyright Office, ruled on Feb. 20 that under the DMCA, radio > stations must pay a fraction of a cent per song, per listener, for > every song they stream. Under the CARP ruling, Internet-only radio > stations would pay a royalty fee of 14/100 of a cent per song, per > listener, retroactively through October 1998. -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 26 05:09:08 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] A new ruling involving the DMCA is set to wipe out independent online music stations In-Reply-To: <976194320.20020326154854@elcomsoft.com> References: <976194320.20020326154854@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <357408689.20020326160908@elcomsoft.com> Hello, > Web radio's last stand > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/03/26/web_radio/index.html?x Btw, an irony: Adobe has invested a lot of money to Salon.com recently ;) /Vladimir vkatalov@elcomsoft.com From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Mar 26 05:17:02 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] European Copyright Directive Message-ID: <957882620.20020326161702@elcomsoft.com> http://www.ntk.net/2002/02/08/ > Not to be left out, the EU of course has its own answer to the USA's > ever-popular Digital Millennium Copyright Act - THE EUROPEAN UNION > COPYRIGHT DIRECTIVE. The former-Free-Sklyarov guys (now called "the > Campaign for Digital Rights") are currently gathering a fellowship of > dissenters to try and toss some of its more extreme sanctions back > into Mount Doom, and are holding their first public planning meeting > in Cambridge in a couple of weeks' time (Sat 2002-02-23). No confirmed > venue so far, but that's because you haven't RSVPd yet (to > miniconf@uk.eurorights.org ) so they'll know how many people are > coming. Full details will be in next week's issue, so if you're a > reverse-engineer, an activist, a librarian, an ISP, or just generally > concerned about the dark shroud of copy protection spreading across > the once-carefree internet, then it should definitely be a fun day > out. > http://www.openrevolt.org/ > - now comes with its very own DMCA-style "Takedown Clause" From igormotsnyi at hotmail.com Wed Mar 27 02:42:59 2002 From: igormotsnyi at hotmail.com (Igor Motsnyi) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Hollings' bill Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20020327/c5a423b8/attachment.html From proclus at iname.com Wed Mar 27 08:43:32 2002 From: proclus at iname.com (proclus@iname.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Michael Eisner on Lincoln! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200203271644.g2RGhcL24453@moerbeke> Just in case you missed it, Michael is trying to protect his investment in Senator Hollings ;-}. http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3H10TP8ZC&live=true&useoverridetemplate=ZZZFKOXOA0C&tagid=FTDDMJNIFEC It seems to me as good news, since this could only happen if they were losing the public relations battle. One wonders if a guy like Eisner could have an accurate conception of Lincoln. Keep up the good work folks! Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C++++ UBOULI++++$ P+ L+++(++++) E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e++++ h--- r+++ y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Tom On Wednesday 27 March 2002 08:43, proclus@iname.com wrote: > > Just in case you missed it, Michael is trying to protect his investment > in Senator Hollings ;-}. > > http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3H10TP8ZC&li >ve=true&useoverridetemplate=ZZZFKOXOA0C&tagid=FTDDMJNIFEC > > It seems to me as good news, since this could only happen if they were > losing the public relations battle. One wonders if a guy like > Eisner could have an accurate conception of Lincoln. 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URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20020328/ab6dc702/attachment.html From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Thu Mar 28 07:44:26 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Russian DMCA Message-ID: <1147711527.20020328184426@elcomsoft.com> Hello, Bad news -- it seems that Russia will have its own DMCA soon :( For those who can read in Russian: http://www.copyright.ru/law/lawprojects/index.html The amendments to the current copyright law contain a new chapter translated directly from 1201 of DMCA... -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software) From igormotsnyi at hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 01:56:37 2002 From: igormotsnyi at hotmail.com (Igor Motsnyi) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:48 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re-Russian DMCA Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20020329/4bba4e7e/attachment.htm