the other is to use some crazy iframe stuff which is what i'm trying to do the 'i' is for 'idiotic' i note that 'firefox', 'safari' and 'IE' all have 'i' in their names except firefox's real name is phoenix. damn. :> i meant mozilla! no, firebird! what else is there? omniweb, camino mosaic, iCab seamonkey! seamonkey is THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT