[CrackMonkey] Re: 5cr1p7 k1dd135

[Miles Nordin]

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Monkey Master wrote:

> 	Go get mutt.
> 
> 	Figure out the list-reply function.

I think this ``list reply'' thing is nothing but an invention of Mutt.  I
maintain that leaving _one_ person, not twenty, in the headers shows who
you're replying to, and is a _good_ thing.  It clarifies things in an
intuitive way, and also it's on a place where you can search on it
(messages to or from THIS person), while those nonsense Mutt
quote-introductions ``A flock of seaguls told me X Y spake out of his anus
thusly:'' is in an unpredictable place and does not even include the x at y.z
address and is thus unsearchable.

It's also mandatory on many of the NetBSD lists, because there are
crosspostings between various NetBSD lists or between the NetBSD and
FreeBSD lists (we do not speak to people from OpenBSD).  Listing only one
recipient, or listing only the lists you subscribe to, would destroy the
crosspost.

As for the Message-ID cache problem, I never thought of that one.  It's
really the silly -------/Crackmonkey sub-signature that's causing the
problem, so maybe the right answer is to fall back on the more advanced
mailing list software to do the archiving.  Or, more simply, do what
you're already doing except subscribe an address to the list that you
never post from (ex. carton+crackmonkey-list at Ivy.NET -- we've had this +
syntax for a long time already, so I assume Mutt supports choosing the
+... suffix in your From: header like pine does when compiled with the
appropriate ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM #define, naturally ignored by the sloppy 
fools running every Linux distribution). Once again, the fancypants list
software gets in your way by forbidding posts from non-subscribers, and I
s'pect it doesn't understand the + syntax as ``equivalent to a
subscriber, security-wise'' either.

You could also axe any mail ^TOcrackmonkey at .* that does not end in a
--------/crackmonkey sub-signature.

But, saying something is socially expected just because your favorite
email program has a keystroke for it strikes me as laughably ignorant and
biggoted.  You may as well say everyone is rude and dumb unless they put
business card attachments on their messages, do not wrap lines at 72
characters, use HTML markup, and format From: and To: in a special
way--because that's the way Outlook works best.

-- 
Miles Nordin / v:+1 720 841-8308 fax:+1 530 579-8680
555 Bryant Street PMB 182 / Palo Alto, CA 94301-1700 / US

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