From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 1 00:11:34 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:40 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20010930212933.Y15903@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Rick Moen wrote: > begin James Morris quotation: > > > There's a new Time/CNN poll which indicates that about 30% of > > Americans would currently support the internment of Arabs who are US > > citizens. > > > > See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,176815,00.html > > I feel slight sullied from even coming close enough to _Time_ magazine > to sneer, let alone it and CNN's so-called "polls" -- which are just > another Web-based wank-o-matic pathetically crafted solely to generate > hits from the point-and-drool set. (8/99: "Do you think evolution > theory should be taught in school?") > > But if you seriously think Time/CNN even _attempted_ to estimate the > views of "Americans", maybe you're in their target audience. > Rick, Why do you think that I would think such a thing? If someone were to say "A Time/CNN poll indicates that Rick Moen is intelligent", this does not mean that they personally "seriously think" that Rick Moen is intelligent. Also, it is interesting that you did not quote the section of my email which was actually critical of the Time reporting of the Time/CNN poll. In a nutshell: fuck off, you self-obsessed pissant. - James -- James Morris From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Oct 1 00:19:31 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: References: <20010930212933.Y15903@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> begin James Morris quotation: > Why do you think that I would think such a thing? Um, because you're a moron? > Also, it is interesting that you did not quote the section of my email > which was actually critical of the Time reporting of the Time/CNN > poll. There _was_ no fucking "Time/CNN poll", cretin. This was just another Web site survey. And now it has _your_ drool all over it. -- Cheers, Why, yes, _of course_ I'm an elitist. Rick Moen Isn't everyone? rick@linuxmafia.com From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 1 07:15:43 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011001071543.N556@zork.net> Goddamn US current. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- mdl@60hz.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Mon Oct 1 07:26:49 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011001071543.N556@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:15:43 -0700") References: <20011001071543.N556@zork.net> Message-ID: <6un13bcu6u.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Goddamn US current. s/mdl/110v/ _Now_ it's funny. > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > mdl@60hz.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- > "In the movies, when the president says, 'It's war,' that usually > means the good part is just about to begin," said hardware-store > owner Thom Garner of Cedar Rapids, IA. "Why doesn't it feel that > way now? It doesn't feel like the good part is about to begin at > all. It feels there's never going to be another good part again." -- The Onion From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 1 07:45:07 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Rick Moen blabbered: > > There _was_ no fucking "Time/CNN poll", cretin. This was just another > Web site survey. > http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/28/ret.retaliation.poll/index.html "The poll, conducted September 27, covered interviews with 1,055 adult Americans, including 862 registered voters." - James -- James Morris From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 1 07:48:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: References: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011001074815.P556@zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/28/ret.retaliation.poll/index.html > > "The poll, conducted September 27, covered interviews with 1,055 adult > Americans, including 862 registered voters." "Fully 128 had a high-school diploma" -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Oct 1 08:02:57 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: References: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011001080257.C14511@linuxmafia.com> begin James Morris quotation: > http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/28/ret.retaliation.poll/index.html > "The poll, conducted September 27, covered interviews with 1,055 adult > Americans, including 862 registered voters." Still looks like a typical Web survey, to me. And I'm having fun imagining how it was worded. One of _Time's_ high points, for me, was when it thoughtfully helped it readership pronounce the then newly-elected Israeli Prime Minister's name by saying it rhymes with "Fagin". (That was from Time, which rhymes with slime, grime, and crime.) -- Cheers, "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us Rick Moen in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." rick@linuxmafia.com -- Artemus Ward (1834-67), U.S. journalist From sneakums at zork.net Mon Oct 1 08:11:47 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20011001080257.C14511@linuxmafia.com> (Rick Moen's message of "Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:02:57 -0700") References: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> <20011001080257.C14511@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <6uitdzcs3w.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Rick Moen quotation: > One of _Time's_ high points, for me, was when it thoughtfully helped > it readership pronounce the then newly-elected Israeli Prime > Minister's name by saying it rhymes with "Fagin". Whenever I am asked how to pronounce his name, I tell the questioner to go listen to _The Final Cut_. I am rarely asked that question these days, though, and so I have taken to walking around town of an evening rendering unto friend and stranger alike that same commandment. -- > "In the movies, when the president says, 'It's war,' that usually > means the good part is just about to begin," said hardware-store > owner Thom Garner of Cedar Rapids, IA. "Why doesn't it feel that > way now? It doesn't feel like the good part is about to begin at > all. It feels there's never going to be another good part again." -- The Onion From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 1 08:17:28 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20011001074815.P556@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 07:48:15AM -0700 References: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> <20011001074815.P556@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011001111728.E42584@samurai.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 07:48:15AM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > > "The poll, conducted September 27, covered interviews with 1,055 adult > > Americans, including 862 registered voters." > > "Fully 128 had a high-school diploma" HAHA, yeah, Americans are stupid. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From sneakums at zork.net Mon Oct 1 08:24:47 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20011001111728.E42584@samurai.com> (Bryan Fullerton's message of "Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:17:28 -0400") References: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> <20011001074815.P556@zork.net> <20011001111728.E42584@samurai.com> Message-ID: <6ueloncri8.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 07:48:15AM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: >> > "The poll, conducted September 27, covered interviews with 1,055 >> > adult Americans, including 862 registered voters." >> "Fully 128 had a high-school diploma" > > HAHA, yeah, Americans are stupid. You disappoint me, Bryan. Why let the arbitrary notion of nationality limit your sweeping generalisation? EVERYONE is stupid! -- > "In the movies, when the president says, 'It's war,' that usually > means the good part is just about to begin," said hardware-store > owner Thom Garner of Cedar Rapids, IA. "Why doesn't it feel that > way now? It doesn't feel like the good part is about to begin at > all. It feels there's never going to be another good part again." -- The Onion From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 1 08:35:02 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <6ueloncri8.fsf@zork.zork.net>; from sneakums@zork.net on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:24:47PM +0100 References: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> <20011001074815.P556@zork.net> <20011001111728.E42584@samurai.com> <6ueloncri8.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011001113502.H42584@samurai.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:24:47PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > > > > HAHA, yeah, Americans are stupid. > > You disappoint me, Bryan. Why let the arbitrary notion of nationality > limit your sweeping generalisation? EVERYONE is stupid! Sure, but we were talking about Americans. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 1 08:39:32 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20011001113502.H42584@samurai.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Sure, but we were talking about Americans. Canadia is in America, right? - James -- James Morris From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 1 08:44:20 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: ; from jmorris@intercode.com.au on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:39:32AM +1000 References: <20011001113502.H42584@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011001114420.K42584@samurai.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:39:32AM +1000, James Morris wrote: > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > > > Sure, but we were talking about Americans. > > Canadia is in America, right? Only the Quebecistan part. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 1 09:24:30 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: <20010930135904.A27858@vitelus.com> References: <20010930122725.J3478@zork.net> <20010930131617.L3478@zork.net> <20010930135904.A27858@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011001092430.C10513@zgp.org> begin Aaron Lehmann quotation of Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 01:59:04PM -0700: > On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 01:16:18PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > > Your quaint German ways are so endearing. > > I thought they were Delawarian!`:wq > `:wq > ``?:wq Delaware is .dk. Delaware was the first state to ratify the Constitution of the USA. Delaware is the home of Network Time Protocol. Delaware is the best state for registering shadowy holding companies. All hail Delaware. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Oct 1 09:52:24 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [maney@pobox.com: [LUNI] W3C selling out: read it and weep] Message-ID: <20011001115224.E20135@tastytronic.net> ----- Forwarded message from Martin Maney ----- http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-09-30-001-20-NW-CY On 16 August 2001 the W3C made public a proposal to substantially change their patent policy framework. Amongst the changes is support for a new licensing model (called RAND) that legitimises the W3C's role in developing and promoting standards that could require the payment of royalties. "Made public" so effectively that word has only now leaked out. -- Self-pity can make one weep, as can onions. -- Fodor ______________________________________________________________________ Linux Users Of Northern Illinois - Technical Discussion luni@luni.org http://luni.org/mailman/listinfo/luni ----- End forwarded message ----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From neale at woozle.org Mon Oct 1 11:37:55 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Gar. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: James Morris writes: > This is pretty fucked up, and depressing. Check out this letter to the editor from yesterday's Seattle Times: Intrinsic doubt In the wake of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's recent remarks that Western civilization is superior to that of Islamic societies ("U.S. courts Jordan, Turkey," Times, Sept. 28), I find it quite typical that other liberal Western governments would find his comments very un-PC and a target for a scolding. We're brainwashed in the post-Christian West to believe the silly mantra that every value system in the world is relative in its intrinsic "goodness" and therefore every culture and religion is just as good as the next. Hogwash. Can't we just admit that Western values and Islamic values are from two different and unequal worlds? Do any Islamic countries believe in religious freedom, let alone tolerance, to any degree like the West? Women's rights? Where's the free press? Free speech? Ha! How about offering free and fair elections? Respect for basic human rights? I didn't think so. Not that he's exactly the persona of Western values, but Berlusconi is saying what the West is only afraid to say. - Craig Baker, Seattle From neale at woozle.org Mon Oct 1 12:03:05 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Gar. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neale Pickett writes: > Check out this letter to the editor from yesterday's Seattle Times: > Do any Islamic countries believe in religious freedom, let alone > tolerance, to any degree like the West? Nobody is as tolerant as we are! That reason alone gives us ample moral ground to annihilate everyone else on the planet. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Oct 1 12:08:30 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Gar. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011001120830.I14511@linuxmafia.com> begin Neale Pickett quotation: > Nobody is as tolerant as we are! That reason alone gives us ample moral > ground to annihilate everyone else on the planet. Support mental health or I'll kill you. FUCK THE BOZOS! -- Cheers, Why, yes, _of course_ I'm an elitist. Rick Moen Isn't everyone? rick@linuxmafia.com From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 1 12:18:10 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Gar. In-Reply-To: <20011001120830.I14511@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011001120830.I14511@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011001121810.A19816@zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 12:08:30PM -0700: > Support mental health or I'll kill you. > FUCK THE BOZOS! "He didn't talk to anyone. He just drank that crank coffee and smoked pot." http://archive.nytimes.com/2001/09/30/magazine/30AFGHAN.html?pagewanted=all -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Oct 1 14:43:03 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: <20011001092430.C10513@zgp.org> References: <20010930122725.J3478@zork.net> <20010930131617.L3478@zork.net> <20010930135904.A27858@vitelus.com> <20011001092430.C10513@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011001144303.K1050@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > begin Aaron Lehmann quotation of Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 01:59:04PM -0700: > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 01:16:18PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > > > Your quaint German ways are so endearing. > > > > I thought they were Delawarian!`:wq > > `:wq > > ``?:wq > > Delaware is .dk. > > Delaware was the first state to ratify the Constitution of the USA. > Delaware is the home of Network Time Protocol. > Delaware is the best state for registering shadowy holding companies. > All hail Delaware. http://www.visitdelaware.net "more valve per square mile" Delaware uses animated GIFs! And Adobe software! And no ALT attributes! -- Seth David Schoen | And do not say, I will study when I Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | have leisure; for perhaps you will down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | not have leisure. -- Pirke Avot 2:5 From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Oct 1 15:08:41 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: <20011001144303.K1050@zork.net> References: <20010930122725.J3478@zork.net> <20010930131617.L3478@zork.net> <20010930135904.A27858@vitelus.com> <20011001092430.C10513@zgp.org> <20011001144303.K1050@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011001150841.C6258@linuxmafia.com> begin Seth David Schoen quotation: > http://www.visitdelaware.net > "more valve per square mile" Just the place to go to blow off pressure. -- Cheers, "Please return all dogmas to their orthodox positions." Rick Moen -- Brad Johnson, in r.a.sf.w.r-j rick@linuxmafia.com From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Oct 1 15:10:18 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 3G provides eagerly-anticipated diplomatic gnomes to the Asian mafia Message-ID: <20011001161018.A6283@Ivy.NET> -----8<----- Bandai Networks started providing this content in late July through KDDI's ezplus Java-enabled mobile phone service. It features an agent, a strange-looking character which lives in a user's phone. The agent, named Shigeo, communicates with another Shigeo living in another user's phone, which facilitates conversation about subjects that the users find difficult to say to each other directly. Shigeo, for example, can ask a user's friend how he feels after a fight, instead of the user directly asking the other party. -- J@pan Inc. Wireless Watch -----8<----- -- So arbitrary and so foolish. I can only say you are incurable. I feel sad for you, feel sad for your poor judging ability. -- LYWANG on Salon's ``Table Talk'' From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Oct 1 17:14:40 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 3G provides eagerly-anticipated diplomatic gnomes to the Asian mafia References: <20011001161018.A6283@Ivy.NET> Message-ID: <3BB906F0.C535E105@praxis.com.au> Miles Nordin wrote: > > -----8<----- > Bandai Networks started providing this content > in late July through KDDI's ezplus Java-enabled mobile phone service. Crappe. A Jabur-enabled mobile phone would weight at least 2.3 Kg, making it a lap phone. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Yes means No and No means Yes. Delete all files [Y]? " From ibm at svpal.org Mon Oct 1 17:57:31 2001 From: ibm at svpal.org (Ian MacLure) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1130 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 crackmonkey-request@crackmonkey.org wrote: > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:08:30 -0700 > To: crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org > Subject: Re: [CrackMonkey] Gar. > From: Rick Moen > > begin Neale Pickett quotation: > > > Nobody is as tolerant as we are! That reason alone gives us ample moral > > ground to annihilate everyone else on the planet. > > Support mental health or I'll kill you. > FUCK THE BOZOS! Osama Bin Ladin Awoke With A Shriek. An SAS bayonet Stuck 'tween his cheeks. Opening one eye. He surveyed with care. The whole frickin regiment's thousand yard stare. On Spetsnaz, On Delta's, On GSG9. Osama is bound for A box made of pine. -- * Ian B MacLure ********* Hampton, VA ******* Engineer/Archer ***** * No Times Like The Maritimes ************************************* * Opinions Expressed Here Are Mine. That's Mine , Mine, MINE ****** * VR Level=3/Holding ***************** former sbay.linux henchman * From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Oct 1 18:08:07 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1130 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011001180807.G6258@linuxmafia.com> begin Ian MacLure quotation: > Osama Bin Ladin > Awoke With A Shriek. > [...] Hmm, colourful, if nothing else. If you prefer the Dennis Miller approach: http://www.writtenbyme.com/content/63250 -- "Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?" -- The Cube, forum3000.org From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 1 19:38:04 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011001193804.U556@zork.net> You can do us a favor and kill yourself, but unsubscribe first. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- banhp@dca.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 1 20:04:57 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 4000 Donkeys help feed refugees Message-ID: Donkeys are great! http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/02/text/world4.html Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think you'd be able to do this with any kind of monkey. - James -- James Morris From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 1 20:21:12 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 4000 Donkeys help feed refugees In-Reply-To: ; from jmorris@intercode.com.au on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:04:57PM +1000 References: Message-ID: <20011001232112.X42584@samurai.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:04:57PM +1000, James Morris wrote: > Donkeys are great! > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/02/text/world4.html Ah, I'm glad the donkeys are being enlisted. I'd hate to think they were going against their will. > Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think you'd be able to do this with > any kind of monkey. Google found this moldy tidbit under "monkey humanitarian aid": http://www.newage.com.au/home/M100.html Wacky Austrians and their world healing energy-fields. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 1 20:25:33 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 4000 Donkeys help feed refugees In-Reply-To: <20011001232112.X42584@samurai.com>; from bryanf@samurai.com on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 11:21:12PM -0400 References: <20011001232112.X42584@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011001232533.Y42584@samurai.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 11:21:12PM -0400, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > > http://www.newage.com.au/home/M100.html > > Wacky Austrians and their world healing energy-fields. Ah, I spoke too soon, they're actually wacky Ukranians (.uk) being hosted on a wacky Austrian server. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From banhp at dca.net Mon Oct 1 21:01:29 2001 From: banhp at dca.net (Phil Banh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011001193804.U556@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > You can do us a favor and kill yourself, but unsubscribe first. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > banhp@dca.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > Hmmm.. I might kill myself. But there's no way in hell I'm unsubscribing first. I might setup a lame (and I mean _really_ lame) autoresponder to spam the bejesus out of the list before I go all the way to Allah... Somthing like: I will be dead and away from the office from now 'til Eternity... Talk to the monkey. It's all his fault, you know. Nah... Sounds too much like work. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 1 21:20:10 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20011001193804.U556@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011001212010.X556@zork.net> begin Phil Banh quotation: > Hmmm.. I might kill myself. But there's no way in hell I'm > unsubscribing first. I might setup a lame (and I mean _really_ > lame) autoresponder to spam the bejesus out of the list before I go > all the way to Allah... > > Somthing like: > > I will be dead and away from the office from now 'til Eternity... > Talk to the monkey. It's all his fault, you know. > > > Nah... > > Sounds too much like work. You're hired! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 1 22:42:35 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20010930172847.N3478@zork.net> References: <20010930172847.N3478@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011001224235.Y556@zork.net> The Seattle PI has a unique system for preventing the linking to printer-friendly versions of stories. It actually seems to check the referrer and use THAT to decide which story to send along. http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/40917_doctor01.shtml > Regarding the phone calls from Abdullah bin Laden, Al-Hazmi > explained that the man works with the World Assembly of Muslim > Youth. Al-Hazmi had exchanged about five phone calls with the man > two years earlier, trying to obtain books and videotapes about > Islamic teachings for the Islamic Center of San Antonio. > > Al-Hazmi said he has no idea if the man is related to Osama bin > Laden. He has not spoken to the man since. Yeah, your tax dollars at work. "Lemmesee here, says you been watchin' Married With Children, eh? With that there BUNDY family! Been cravin' human flesh recently, eh?" -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 2 00:34:53 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011001212010.X556@zork.net> (Monkey Master's message of "Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:20:10 -0700") References: <20011001193804.U556@zork.net> <20011001212010.X556@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uadzacx5u.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Phil Banh quotation: >> Sounds too much like work. > > You're hired! "You can't hire me! I QUIT!!!" -- > "In the movies, when the president says, 'It's war,' that usually > means the good part is just about to begin," said hardware-store > owner Thom Garner of Cedar Rapids, IA. "Why doesn't it feel that > way now? It doesn't feel like the good part is about to begin at > all. It feels there's never going to be another good part again." -- The Onion From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 2 09:17:52 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [berg1106@tc.umn.edu: Bull Roar Vol I Issue 2] Message-ID: <20011002111752.U20135@tastytronic.net> ----- Forwarded message from Evan Berglund ----- J. Lo's Lyrics Show True Depth of Artist By: Z Music lovers and critics everywhere have been speechless when trying to describe the emotions and reactions felt when listening to Jennifer Lopez's new song "Play." Her utter simplistic, but yet so complicated prose have song aficionados struggling to find ways to relate to her music. Her song "Play" has been the latest topic of intellectual conversation at hip coffee shops and internet chat rooms across the nation and throughout the world. By taking a closer look at some of her lyrics we can try to better understand, although mere mortals such as ourselves will never be able to truly fully comprehend the complexity being conveyed in her song, and apply to our own lives her deep message. Take for example her line "Come, come on DJ play my song. You know how it turns me on." In this line she is relating her struggle with the DJ to play her song. This struggle is played out throughout the entire song with J. Lo being the protagonist and the person referred to as the "DJ" as the antagonist. We can only speculate as to who or what this "DJ" is. Is he or she the disc jockey or is "DJ" symbolic of something much deeper? This question takes on much more seriousness when analyzing the next line. By J. Lo reminding the DJ how her song turns her on, it makes one think that perhaps she has created her own sort of musical aphrodisiac that can only be administered by this DJ. By her reminding the DJ that he knows how it turns her on we can infer that this sort of charade has gone on before. We find out the extent of her frustration about the DJ playing her song later when she uses profanity modified with a clause relating to being sexually attracted to a woman who has given birth to emphasize the personal importance that her song be played. In addition to her scenario being played out by the DJ there is a subplot going on in the song that the listener is drawn to. I am referring to her line "I just want to dance. Is that a crime?" This makes the listener ask questions as to why does J. Lo feel that she has to ask if it is a crime? Has she been told that dancing is a crime in the past? Have her civil liberties been violated at one time while she was dancing? Has this been the result of persecution by various extremist religious groups that strictly forbid dancing? Whatever is the case, I say if J. Lo wants to dance then let her dance! Such are the strong convictions expressed in this song. Conviction this owerful has led me to question all I have been lead to believe for so long. I know for certain that I will continue to try and gain a deeper derstanding of myself through listening to this music and trying to apply it to my daily life to become a better person. Despite the awe inspiring message that she proclaims in her music, the topic of Miss Lopez and her music, and sometimes gossip relating to her private life, and her posterior, will no doubt continue to be a common topic of enlightened minds throughout the civilized world. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 2 11:16:49 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bargain Beards & George Clooney's Bargain 80s Hair Message-ID: <20011002131649.Y20135@tastytronic.net> http://www.costumemagic.com/products/HAIR/CB45WT.html http://www.georgeclooney.org/html/FOLphotos.html Crackmonkey's in app-gap exile, so I'm posting this 0-day (oday?) links for y'all. <@Gar> get out of here, you and your bargain beard (pedro) 80s hair is so bad! <@Gar> pedro, you have to post these links to crackmonkey <@Gar> while I'm away from zork <@loiosh> dude, he looks like the poor man's Michael Landon. rock! pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From banhp at dca.net Tue Oct 2 11:27:02 2001 From: banhp at dca.net (Phil Banh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:41 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 2 megawatt laser weapons.. Fun,fun! Message-ID: http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/oct2001-daily/02-10-2001/main/main6.htm Definitely read (or skip) the whole way down. I want one for Christmas! From neale at woozle.org Tue Oct 2 11:32:02 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 4000 Donkeys help feed refugees In-Reply-To: <20011001232112.X42584@samurai.com> References: <20011001232112.X42584@samurai.com> Message-ID: Bryan Fullerton writes: > http://www.newage.com.au/home/M100.html The main retreat is an annual camp lasting one week, for 80-90 participants, 25 crew, 9 facilitators and 20 young people, though we also run indoor, off-season gatherings too. The programme involves group processes designed to optimise our core aim: generating a focused, magnified energy-field and a bundle of wholesome thought-forms ('love-bombs'). These are applied to selected current crises or intense change-arenas - in 1995, these included Bosnia, Muraroa Atoll, Nigeria, Israel-Palestine and China. George Clinton already pioneered this technique (dropping Da Bomb) in the 1970s. From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 2 11:42:50 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bargain Beard, redux Message-ID: <20011002134249.Z20135@tastytronic.net> http://two-bit.northpark.edu/~pedro/bargain_beard.jpg -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 2 11:58:46 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 4000 Donkeys help feed refugees In-Reply-To: References: <20011001232112.X42584@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011002135846.A20135@tastytronic.net> Quoting Neale Pickett: > George Clinton already pioneered this technique (dropping Da Bomb) in > the 1970s. And Tom Jones brought it to the next level with his devastating "Sex Bomb." Say yes to Sexual Disarmament -- say yes to the future! [pedro] -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Oct 2 12:05:18 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] 4000 Donkeys help feed refugees In-Reply-To: <20011002135846.A20135@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > Quoting Neale Pickett: > > George Clinton already pioneered this technique (dropping Da Bomb) in > > the 1970s. > > And Tom Jones brought it to the next level with his devastating "Sex > Bomb." I think the pinnacle of this technique was the delivery of the Nude Bomb. But then Maxwell Smart ruined it for everybody. -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From sam at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 2 12:41:02 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bargain Beard, redux In-Reply-To: <20011002134249.Z20135@tastytronic.net>; from pedro@tastytronic.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:42:50PM -0500 References: <20011002134249.Z20135@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011002124101.R1283@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:42:50PM -0500, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > http://two-bit.northpark.edu/~pedro/bargain_beard.jpg > Now we all know how Nick derives his magical Unix powers. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From sween at modelm.org Tue Oct 2 13:47:23 2001 From: sween at modelm.org (sween) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' Message-ID: http://arielcarmona.tripod.com/cracktv.html -- --- -sween | M | http://www.modelm.org --- "force feedback computing since 1984." From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Oct 2 13:46:53 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011002134653.S6258@linuxmafia.com> begin sween quotation: > http://arielcarmona.tripod.com/cracktv.html Brought to you by: Ariel Carmona Jr. -- "Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?" -- The Cube, forum3000.org From sween at modelm.org Tue Oct 2 13:57:42 2001 From: sween at modelm.org (sween) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Rob Levins Egg Plant Goblet Message-ID: http://209.238.168.110/roblevin/eggplantgoblet.htm -- --- -sween | M | http://www.modelm.org --- "force feedback computing since 1984." From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 2 16:13:30 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <20011002134653.S6258@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011002134653.S6258@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011002161330.B556@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin sween quotation: > > http://arielcarmona.tripod.com/cracktv.html > > Brought to you by: Ariel Carmona Jr. Yeah, well it's a violation of copyright against Rev. Patty Morin. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Oct 2 16:16:15 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <20011002161330.B556@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > > begin sween quotation: > > > http://arielcarmona.tripod.com/cracktv.html Click on the ENTER link. Three, count'em, three windows open up in the abyss. This is a violation of my little 'puter! I'm suing! I'm suing fast! I'm suing hard! I'm suing now! P.S. The copyright thief didn't even have the nouse to eradicate "c r a c k m o n k e y" from the bottom of the stolen graphic. Watta schmuck! Watta wank! Watta tool! _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Yes means No and No means Yes. Delete all files [Y]? " From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Oct 2 16:24:44 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <20011002161330.B556@zork.net> References: <20011002134653.S6258@linuxmafia.com> <20011002161330.B556@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011002162444.E17237@linuxmafia.com> begin Monkey Master quotation: > Yeah, well it's a violation of copyright against Rev. Patty Morin. Quite. Thus my providing one ready address to which one might apply the 2x4 of cluefulness. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 2 16:27:26 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <20011002162444.E17237@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011002134653.S6258@linuxmafia.com> <20011002161330.B556@zork.net> <20011002162444.E17237@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011002162726.C556@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master quotation: > > Yeah, well it's a violation of copyright against Rev. Patty Morin. > > Quite. > > Thus my providing one ready address to which one might apply the 2x4 > of cluefulness. Understood and appreciated. I was simply Ccing the copyright holder, as I am merely a licensee. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ebatey at eathlink.net Tue Oct 2 16:39:48 2001 From: ebatey at eathlink.net (eve) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' References: Message-ID: <3BBA5044.2AF3E86F@eathlink.net> > Nick said: > > Yeah, well it's a violation of copyright against Rev. Patty > Morin. > > The violations continue - if you click on the swinging monkey image on the second page, you get sent here: http://home.collegeclub.com/vixjenni4/cRaCkMonKey.html Look at that! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 2 17:50:30 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <3BBA5044.2AF3E86F@eathlink.net> References: <3BBA5044.2AF3E86F@eathlink.net> Message-ID: <20011002175030.F556@zork.net> begin eve quotation: > The violations continue - if you click on the swinging monkey image > on the second page, you get sent here: > > http://home.collegeclub.com/vixjenni4/cRaCkMonKey.html > > Look at that! All I see is a blank page that refuses to load. What is it supposed to be? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sween at modelm.org Tue Oct 2 18:28:31 2001 From: sween at modelm.org (sween) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <20011002175030.F556@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > begin eve quotation: > > > > Look at that! > > All I see is a blank page that refuses to load. What is it > supposed to be? Because I felt it important: top: http://www.modelm.org/crack1.png bottom: http://www.modelm.org/crack2.png sorry i had to split that, but me Debian Dell Latitude has the max res of an etch-a-sketch. > > -- --- -sween | M | http://www.modelm.org --- "force feedback computing since 1984." From ebatey at eathlink.net Wed Oct 3 07:38:05 2001 From: ebatey at eathlink.net (eve) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' References: Message-ID: <3BBB22CD.5CEE0CC7@eathlink.net> > > begin eve quotation: > > The violations continue - if you click on the swinging monkey image > > on the second page, you get sent here: > > > > http://home.collegeclub.com/vixjenni4/cRaCkMonKey.html > > > > Look at that! > > All I see is a blank page that refuses to load. What is it > supposed to be? Hmmm. And you tried both ways--my link, and the monkey? Because both of those things sent me to what looks like the personal homepage of this young woman fond of things crack, monkey, or both. The initial page features Patty's Crackmonkey fairly prominently. From pedro at tastytronic.net Wed Oct 3 09:27:18 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] the real issue Message-ID: <20011003112718.G20135@tastytronic.net> From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 3 10:14:43 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <3BBB22CD.5CEE0CC7@eathlink.net> References: <3BBB22CD.5CEE0CC7@eathlink.net> Message-ID: <20011003101443.L556@zork.net> begin eve quotation: > Hmmm. And you tried both ways--my link, and the monkey? Because > both of those things sent me to what looks like the personal > homepage of this young woman fond of things crack, monkey, or both. > The initial page features Patty's Crackmonkey fairly prominently. yeah, I think it was just the Web proxy at work. bah. By the way: From: eve Reply-To: ebatey@earthlink.net This is a prime example of why reply-to munging is bad. Here Eve has a misspelled From: address, and decides to fix it with a Reply-To. beaujolais! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 3 11:20:08 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011003142846.U18353@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> References: <20011003142846.U18353@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> Message-ID: <20011003112008.B869@zork.net> begin Martin Schulze quotation: > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Debian Weekly News > http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2001/24/ > Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [...] > Boot-floppies 3.0.14 released. Adam Di Carlo has had a hectic week, > but managed to [6]release a new version of boot floppies. This > version contains all required fixes for S/390, MIPS, MIPSel, ARM, > M68k, HPPA and IA64 as well as patches required to get add support > for ReiserFS and ext3 on IA32. Where can you get a floppy drive for S/390s nowadays? Are they 8"? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 3 12:00:50 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Friends of the Library Message-ID: <20011003120050.B24629@zgp.org> All freedom-loving people in San Francisco please go join Friends of the Library to make up the 20 grand. ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:06:26 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: San Francisco bans filters in libraries -- nevermind the Feds To: politech@politechbot.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Sender: owner-politech@politechbot.com Reply-To: declan@well.com X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ X-Author: Declan McCullagh is at http://www.mccullagh.org/ X-News-Site: Cluebot is at http://www.cluebot.com/ ********** Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:43:32 -0400 (EDT) From: David Cassel To: Subject: SF bans filters http://latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-library-filters1002oct02.story?coll=la%2Dap%2Dtopnews%2Dheadlines SAN FRANCISCO -- Internet filters designed to keep pornography away from children were banned at city libraries despite a federal law mandating them. San Francisco's Board of Supervisors voted unanimously Monday to ban the filters from library computers, a move that could cost the city $20,000 in federal funds. The board left it up to the Library Commission to decide whether to install filtering software in children's areas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 3 12:49:52 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Friends of the Library In-Reply-To: <20011003120050.B24629@zgp.org> References: <20011003120050.B24629@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011003124952.F869@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > All freedom-loving people in San Francisco please go join Friends of > the Library to make up the 20 grand. I'm a Friend of the Oakland Public Library, but not SF. FOPL sends me pieces of paper that say http://hugin.imat.com, which is fun. > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:43:32 -0400 (EDT) > From: David Cassel > To: > Subject: SF bans filters Damn you, cassel! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ebatey at eathlink.net Wed Oct 3 12:51:36 2001 From: ebatey at eathlink.net (eve) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:42 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' References: Message-ID: <3BBB6C48.40F251FC@eathlink.net> > > By the way: > > From: eve > Reply-To: ebatey@earthlink.net > > This is a prime example of why reply-to munging is bad. Here > Eve has a misspelled From: address, and decides to fix it with a > Reply-To. beaujolais! I decided nothing! Nothing! Seriously, where are things fucked up. Please explain, so I can fix. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 3 13:05:10 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' In-Reply-To: <3BBB6C48.40F251FC@eathlink.net> References: <3BBB6C48.40F251FC@eathlink.net> Message-ID: <20011003130510.H869@zork.net> begin eve quotation: > Seriously, where are things fucked up. Please explain, so I can fix. Your AOL window is in front of your mojira window. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 3 13:05:51 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Indian plane hijacked Message-ID: <20011003130551.I869@zork.net> http://www.indiatimes.com/ > Allianze flight from Delhi to Mumbai hijacked: Plane lands in Delhi Nothing much more yet. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 3 13:07:48 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Indian plane hijacked In-Reply-To: <20011003130551.I869@zork.net> References: <20011003130551.I869@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011003130748.J869@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Nothing much more yet. http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1331366505 MUMBAI TO DELHI PLANE HIJACKED NEW DELHI: A Boeing 737 belonging to India's state-run Alliance Air, with 52 people on board, was hijacked just after take off from Mumbai early Thursday, Union Minister of State for Civil Aviation Shahnawaz Hussain said. The Minister said a hijack distress call had been received by the Air Traffic Control (ATC) in New Delhi where the plane had landed at around 1 a.m. The number of passengers on the flight was not immediately known. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 3 13:11:32 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Indian plane hijacked In-Reply-To: <20011003130748.J869@zork.net> References: <20011003130551.I869@zork.net> <20011003130748.J869@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011003131132.K869@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1331366505 This URL is being updated regularly, it seems. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 3 13:20:44 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Friends of the Library In-Reply-To: <20011003124952.F869@zork.net> References: <20011003120050.B24629@zgp.org> <20011003124952.F869@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011003132044.C14882@linuxmafia.com> begin Monkey Master quotation: > I'm a Friend of the Oakland Public Library, but not SF. FOPL > sends me pieces of paper that say http://hugin.imat.com, which is fun. Some people never have been able to grasp the concepts of maintenance and bit-rot. Alice Mercer and Terry Preston migrated all FOPL material from my server to somewhere else, about a year ago. As far as I can tell, this was because I insisted on meaningful system security, and started blocking a number of stupid user tricks Alice refused to part with. (_Now_ I've figured out how to let her POP her mail from Eudora without leaving my server wide open, but she didn't want to wait.) But, also, I told pretty much everyone associated with my machine, oh, about four years ago, to globally substitute linuxmafia.com for hugin.imat.com, since the latter hostname could disappear at any time without notice. And, just last month, Richard Couture finally _did_ remove it from the imat.com zonefiles. Well, some people only learn the hard way. -- "Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?" -- The Cube, forum3000.org From ebatey at eathlink.net Wed Oct 3 13:18:43 2001 From: ebatey at eathlink.net (eve) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: FW: [CrackMonkey] blatent gafflin' References: Message-ID: <3BBB72A2.21727DA8@eathlink.net> > > Your AOL window is in front of your mojira window. > What are you talking about? Nothing, but nothing, goes in front of my mojira window. From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 3 13:19:34 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Indian plane hijacked In-Reply-To: <20011003131132.K869@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > > http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1331366505 > This URL is being updated regularly, it seems. See also: http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/storytemplate/storytoppic/0,,30000-1031229,00.html _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-70 421 58 25 http://www.pawlo.com/ From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Oct 3 17:51:37 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I wish ... Message-ID: <3BBBB299.201EE864@praxis.com.au> Putting X-headers to good use ... telnet www2.hyperion-records.co.uk 80 HEAD / HTTP/1.0 ___________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Yes means No and No means Yes. Delete all files [Y]? " From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 3 18:13:43 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Brain Fingerprinting Message-ID: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/22020.html Brain-scans can defeat terrorism, InfoSeek founder claims By Thomas C Greene in Washington Posted: 03/10/2001 at 20:56 GMT Just when you thought crowd surveillance with facial recognition gear was the sickest idea circulating, some naive do-gooder comes along with 'brain fingerprinting', loudly urging its use as a public security measure in the wake of the 11 September tragedies. Steve Kirsch, founder of InfoSeek and current CEO of data management outfit Propel Software, reckons that the relevant technology companies could deliver a working system of brain fingerprinting databases and retina scanning in something like ninety days' time. And this will "infallibly" defeat terrorists, he fervently believes. [...] - James -- James Morris From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Wed Oct 3 18:21:37 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense Message-ID: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> Look at the monkeys... http://www.adequacy.org/?op=comments;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736;cid=39 -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Oct 3 18:35:54 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <3BBBBCFA.6B30D58D@praxis.com.au> "Edward C. Lang" wrote: > Look at the monkeys... > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=comments;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736;cid=39 "lynx is a legal web browser" "Most of the applications used over any network connection, such as HTTP, SMTP etc, are all telnet based." Glad I'm not hiring. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Yes means No and No means Yes. Delete all files [Y]? " From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 3 18:44:05 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011003184405.R14882@linuxmafia.com> begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > Look at the monkeys... > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=comments;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736;cid=39 http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/10/3/15256/8618 I especially love... Poll: The free software movement: [ ] Communist backed [ ] Communist inspired And: http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/10/2/33542/4010 (Summary: Linux-Mandrake is evil and icky because it broke Windows and didn't install properly, and a bunch of Linux zealots were _mean_ to me and used big words with no pictures.) -- "Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?" -- The Cube, forum3000.org From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 3 18:52:54 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Toilet Map Message-ID: As seen on advogato, http://www.toiletmap.gov.au/ "Welcome to the home page of the National Public Toilet Map." - James -- James Morris From aaronl at vitelus.com Wed Oct 3 19:24:19 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 11:21:37AM +1000, Edward C. Lang wrote: > Look at the monkeys... > > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=comments;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736;cid=39 The latest (at post time) diary at http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/10/3/15256/8618 is even better: Could the resemblance between the attack on the World Trade Centre and this cowardly attack on the foundation of American capitalism be any more obvious? Will we wake up one morning to find the shining towers of American prosperity struck down by the insidious, anti-property, internationalist agenda of the Open Source movement? ... The war on terrorism must begin in America, and it must be a war against the terrorism of ideas as much as the terrorism of guns and bombs. We cannot allow these cowardly 'hackers' to undermine the fabric of our society from their college bedrooms and welfare-sponsored bedsits. I hope that the manifest technical inadequacies of 'free software' will cause this hateful movement to die on it's own, but if it does not I pray that our President has the courage to attack this threat to our freedom as vigorously as he is attacking the other terrorists of this world. From aaronl at vitelus.com Wed Oct 3 19:28:34 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 07:24:19PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > even better: Ideally, you will refrain from premarital sex. For you and your boyfriend I recommend cold showers, organized sports, and learning Linux, all three of these activities are proven to reduce the sex drive and reduce opportunities for sex. From phorst at ointment.org Wed Oct 3 21:01:27 2001 From: phorst at ointment.org (Peter Horst) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com>; from aaronl@vitelus.com on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 07:28:34PM -0700 References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org> On Oct 3, 19:28PM, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 07:24:19PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > even better: > > Ideally, you will refrain from premarital sex. For you and your > boyfriend I recommend cold showers, organized sports, and learning > Linux, all three of these activities are proven to reduce the sex > drive and reduce opportunities for sex. > Ummm...am I missing something, or is www.adequacy.org just one gigantic troll? But who's got that much free time? From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 3 21:09:15 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org> References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com> <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org> Message-ID: <20011003210915.S14882@linuxmafia.com> begin Peter Horst quotation: > Ummm...am I missing something, or is www.adequacy.org just one gigantic > troll? It seems that way from many of the entries. > But who's got that much free time? Indeed. Hell of a shaggy-dog joke. -- Cheers, "Reality is not optional." Rick Moen -- Thomas Sowell rick@linuxmafia.com From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Oct 3 21:52:57 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org>; from phorst@ointment.org on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:01:27PM -0500 References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com> <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org> Message-ID: <20011004005257.A42584@samurai.com> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:01:27PM -0500, Peter Horst wrote: > But who's got that much free time? Didn't look over the archives before you joined this list, did you? Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 4 00:32:30 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011003112008.B869@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:20:08 -0700") References: <20011003142846.U18353@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20011003112008.B869@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uzo77c12p.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > begin Martin Schulze quotation: >> Boot-floppies 3.0.14 released. Adam Di Carlo has had a hectic week, >> but managed to [6]release a new version of boot floppies. This >> version contains all required fixes for S/390, MIPS, MIPSel, ARM, >> M68k, HPPA and IA64 as well as patches required to get add support >> for ReiserFS and ext3 on IA32. > > Where can you get a floppy drive for S/390s nowadays? Are > they 8"? On an S/390, it's a virtual device. -- "They are just people, and I'm not afraid." -- Eamon de Valera From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 4 00:35:08 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I wish ... In-Reply-To: <3BBBB299.201EE864@praxis.com.au> (Rick Welykochy's message of "Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:51:37 +1000") References: <3BBBB299.201EE864@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <6uvghvc0yb.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Rick Welykochy quotation: > Putting X-headers to good use ... > telnet www2.hyperion-records.co.uk 80 > HEAD / HTTP/1.0 NOTHING is cooler than my X-Fnord header! -- "I don't care what you say. I'm right and you're wrong." -- Eamon de Valera From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 4 00:37:34 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Brain Fingerprinting In-Reply-To: (James Morris's message of "Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:13:43 +1000 (EST)") References: Message-ID: <6ur8sjc0u9.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/22020.html > Steve Kirsch, founder of InfoSeek and current CEO of data > management outfit Propel Software, reckons that the relevant > technology companies could deliver a working system of brain > fingerprinting databases and retina scanning in something like > ninety days' time. And this will "infallibly" defeat terrorists, > he fervently believes. Only if you know ahead of time who these terrorists are. Anyway, how can a brain be fingerprinted? Brain don't have fingers! -- "What a load of fucking bullshit." -- Ray Barboni From dsaklad at gnu.org Thu Oct 4 01:52:12 2001 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] -In the mail: Re: My complaint about Don Saklad Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology Sent To: libraryunderground (at sign) topica.com List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Archive: Organization: http://saklad.org -In the mail: > My complaint about Don Saklad > http://www-csag.ucsd.edu/individual/pakin/complaint > > > When I used to hear about illiterate students graduating > from school, I often wondered how that was possible. > > In your case we have to wonder how someone > so obsessed with whether or not another student > is illiterate could graduate from high school. > And to cut down on the amount of wondering you've > had to do, go back to school for more education. > > But after encountering some of Don Saklad's more putrid > tricks, > > Could you send me documentation about just > one of them? > > I now realize that not only is it possible for > people to graduate without having learned fundamental > skills such as reading and writing, but that it's possible > for these same people to believe that the Earth is flat. > > Isn't it astounding that someone could be > so stupid as to think that anyone still > believes the Earth is flat--or that someone > could be so obsessed about another person > who MIGHT believe this? > > Let us note first of all that if natural selection indeed > works by removing the weakest and most genetically unfit > members of a species, then Don is clearly going to be the > first to go. > > What a shame that your parents managed to > escape what is coming to seem like a more > and more appropriate fate. > > Now, it is not my purpose to suggest that evidence exists > > No, you have certainly gone to absolutely no > trouble at all to demonstrate any evidence > of the truth of any of your statements. > > to suggest that his lickspittles have cooperated closely > with unprofessional, malign boneheads on several projects, > > Could you send me documentation about just > one of them? > > but rather to reveal the constant tension between > centripetal and centrifugal forces of dialogized > heteroglossia resulting from his pranks. > > Could you send me documentation about just > one of them? > > The fact is, he has been known to say that everyone with a > different set of beliefs from his is going to get a one-way > ticket to Hell. > > Could you send me documentation of these > "facts"? An audio recording would be my > medium of choice. > > That notion is so unscrupulous, I hardly know where to > begin refuting it. > > Wait a moment please, you are building a > case on a case you haven't demonstrated > yet. First things first, please. > > I hope that Don's plans for the future were intended as a > joke, although they're not very funny if they were. > > Could you send me documentation about Don's > plans for the future? > > For future reference, it's easy for us to shake our heads at > Don's foolishness and cowardice. > > Could you send me documentation clearly > demonstrating his foolishness and cowardice? > > It's easy for us to exclaim that we should reveal some > shocking facts about Don's revenge fantasies. > > Oh, so Don has revenge fantasies? How did > you manage to get inside his head? Of course, > I'd say he has revenge fantasies because he's > a normal person--like me, or you, or anybody, > so, obviously, he has revenge fantasies. That > is completely normal. > > It's easy for us to say, "When the war against reason is > backed by a large cadre of the most sophomoric savages > you'll ever see, the results are even more dishonest." > > I read mostly the New York Times and papers > of that ilk--so I've not heard much about this > war that you are sort of implying Don is the > commander of. Could you send me some documentation > about where his headquarters are located, number > of troops, tanks, artillery, planes, ships, etc, > so I can start studying up on this? > > The point is that it's easy for us to say these things, > because I once told Don that he profits from human > suffering. > > Finally, something we can actually demonstrate > about Don! Could you forward me all bank and > other financial documentation demonstrating > exactly what his profits are? > > How did he respond to that? > > He proceeded to curse me off using a number of colorful > expletives not befitting this letter, > > Hey, I'd really like to hear your audio > recording of that. I've never heard him > utter a single curse word in 25+ years. > So that would be a real treat. QuickTime > would be an acceptable format. > > which serves only to > show that now that I've been exposed to Don's assertions, I > must admit that I don't completely understand them. > > That's to be expected. But then your assertions > in this entire letter seem a complete mystery > to me. > > Perhaps I need to get out more. > > Yes. > > Or perhaps Don insists that he is a martyr for freedom and > a victim of collectivism. > > You've qualified the above statement with > "perhaps". That makes it sound like this > whole thing could be something that only > occupies some place inside your mind. > > This fraud, this lie, is just one among the thousands he > perpetrates. > > Geez, I'd really like to see some documentation > of any one of them. > > I'll repeat what I've already said: > I recently heard Don tell a bunch of people that he is > forward-looking, open-minded, and creative. > > You've got me on this one boobala. I can't > find the place in this document where you've > already said the thing you've already said. > Set me straight on this. > > I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this > notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable > laughter in text. > > ULOL. > > I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a > world filled with open spaces and beautiful wilderness -- > > Move out west. Or is your dream to just > have children? > > not in a dark, conceited world run by inconsiderate, > jealous beatniks. > > Try my strategy: pretend they don't exist. > > If Don is going to make an emotional appeal, then he should > also include a rational argument. > > You haven't. Why should he? > > When a political condition of greed, massive corruption, > and diversity of objective is coupled to a social condition > of drugs, violence, and discontent, therein exists the > perfect environment for Don to canonize impudent, > disdainful vermin as nomological emblems of propriety. > > MAN! That was a mouthful. You'd think Don was > a Republican President. Maybe he is and I'm > completely nuts about how the world is organized. > Somebody, anybody, please tell me that Don is > not President of the United States. And please > tell me he's not a Republican President! Either > that or he's head of the Mafia. How else could > he do all the things you imagine him capable of? > > I need your help if I'm ever to present a noble vision of > who we were, who we are, and who we can potentially be. > > Why not just go ahead and present your vision? > You don't want to wait around with a guy like > Don hiding in the bushes and ready to JUMP > OUT AND GET YOU!! > > "But I'm only one person," you might protest. > > Actually, I wouldn't protest. But its true, > I'm only one person. > > "What difference can I make?" > > Why don't you leave that up to me, and all > the other people who want to make a difference. > > The answer is: > a lot more than you think. > > Could you repeat the question? > > You see, if Don can't be reasoned out of his prejudices, he > must be laughed out of them. > > Yeah, sure, give it a try. This is a democratic > country. You can do that. Let me know how it > works out. > > If Don can't be argued out of his selfishness, he must be > shamed out of it. > > And if he can't be shamed out of it, should he > be killed out of it? Where have I heard that > slippery slope argument before... > > One wonders how he can complain about insufferable, > pigheaded airheads, given that his own politics also aim to > bad-mouth worthy causes. > > Can you send me some documentation about how > Done has bad-mouthed a worthy cause? > > If one could get a Ph.D. in Absolutism, Don would be the > first in line to have one. > > That seems like a very absolutist kind of > statement to make. How do you know he wouldn't > end up third in line, or 741,377th? > > We must express our concerns about Don Saklad's irritating > claims. > > Maybe there's some kind of powder you can > get to put on that. > > We must serve on the side of Truth. > > Oh, I'm all for the TRUTH too. > > And we must keep our priorities in check. > > Priorities in check? Like not let our most > important or first priorities go to the head > of the line? Should we hold them back to > the end of the line? Help me make a mental > picture of this, please. > > Please join me in incorporating these words into > our living credo. > > Hey, I'm about finished doing my part. > > > Why do you have a complaint about me on your Web page? > http://www-csag.ucsd.edu/individual/pakin/complaint-info/aclg-explain.html?title=&firstname=Don&middlename=&lastname=Saklad&suffix=&gender=m&shorttype=f&pgraphs=3 __________________________________________________ Guide to Problematical Boston Public Library Use http://saklad.org ________________________________________________ This message was sent to you via the L I B R A R Y U N D E R G R O U N D To send a message to all your fellow subscribers, address it to: libraryunderground (at sign) topica.com To unsubscribe, send a message to: libraryunderground-unsubscribe (at sign) topica.com For questions, comments or concerns, contact the owners: James -- jamesiegod (at sign) hotmail.com Matthew -- wrightm (at sign) ccmail.nevada.edu http://www.libraryunderground.com ==^================================================================ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1dhLT.b1FXEH Or send an email To: libraryunderground-unsubscribe (at sign) topica.com This email was sent to: dsaklad@zurich.ai.mit.edu T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================ From rick at praxis.com.au Thu Oct 4 03:41:25 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] I wish ... References: <3BBBB299.201EE864@praxis.com.au> <6uvghvc0yb.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <3BBC3CD5.DA646927@praxis.com.au> Sean Neakums wrote: > NOTHING is cooler than my X-Fnord header! I have the distinct feeling I have never seen that. What? That! Where? There! Huh? Doh! _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Yes means No and No means Yes. Delete all files [Y]? " From duncan at ximian.com Wed Oct 3 21:36:03 2001 From: duncan at ximian.com (Duncan Mak) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: Re: [Evolution] Signature: Removing "-- "?] Message-ID: <1002170163.22146.4.camel@192.168.10-120.masq> I don't even have a signature file. Duncan. -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Alexander Skwar > To: Mark Neill > Cc: evolution@ximian.com > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Signature: Removing "-- "? > Date: 04 Oct 2001 00:08:01 +0200 > > So sprach ?Mark Neill? am 2001-10-03 um 16:29:29 -0400 : > > Your signature mark is in the wrong place, therefore it's of no use to > > You're talking about the first -- , aren't you? Because *I* would like > to decide where the proper place is! If Evolution is already that > pedantic - why isn't it complaining about the fact that my signature is > too big? I mean, counting the 2 non-signature line, it's 6 lines. And > 6 > 4, so it's too big. > > > anyone who strips signatures from Mail, as we're still going to get your > > name in the message. > > ? Sorry? You lost me here. What's the proper way of adding the > signature the way *I* want? Writing the name by hand in each out going > mail? Quite clumsy, I'd say. > > > > > Evo properly handles the adding of the --\n before the signature, as it > > should. Additional -- marks added in your own signature are eye candy. > > No, they are not. I consider my signature to be everything below the > "-- \n". The "-- \n" added by Evolution are eye candy - and they are > disturbing. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de > iso-top.de - Die g?nstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen > Uptime: 11 hours 42 minutes > > _______________________________________________ > evolution maillist - evolution@ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 4 07:53:00 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [Fwd: Re: [Evolution] Signature: Removing "-- "?] In-Reply-To: <1002170163.22146.4.camel@192.168.10-120.masq> (Duncan Mak's message of "04 Oct 2001 00:36:03 -0400") References: <1002170163.22146.4.camel@192.168.10-120.masq> Message-ID: <6uofnncv8z.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Duncan Mak quotation: > I don't even have a signature file. That's OK, because I have lots. Want one? -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 4 08:43:38 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: <6uzo77c12p.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011003142846.U18353@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20011003112008.B869@zork.net> <6uzo77c12p.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011004084338.C15993@zgp.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation of Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 08:32:30AM +0100: > begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > > > begin Martin Schulze quotation: > >> Boot-floppies 3.0.14 released. Adam Di Carlo has had a hectic week, > >> but managed to [6]release a new version of boot floppies. This > >> version contains all required fixes for S/390, MIPS, MIPSel, ARM, > >> M68k, HPPA and IA64 as well as patches required to get add support > >> for ReiserFS and ext3 on IA32. > > > > Where can you get a floppy drive for S/390s nowadays? Are > > they 8"? > > On an S/390, it's a virtual device. But are they 3.5 virtual inches, 5.25 virtual inches, or 8 virtual inches? And what happens if you hook up the virtual cable backwards, and the virtual light stays on? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 4 08:58:37 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011004084338.C15993@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:43:38 -0700") References: <20011003142846.U18353@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20011003112008.B869@zork.net> <6uzo77c12p.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011004084338.C15993@zgp.org> Message-ID: <6uk7ybcs7m.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Don Marti quotation: > begin Sean Neakums quotation of Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 08:32:30AM +0100: >> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: >> > Where can you get a floppy drive for S/390s nowadays? Are >> > they 8"? >> On an S/390, it's a virtual device. > > But are they 3.5 virtual inches, 5.25 virtual inches, or 8 virtual > inches? And what happens if you hook up the virtual cable > backwards, and the virtual light stays on? It's a 1440K disk image. Arbitrary dimensions in your reality have nothing to do with it. Your transposition of physical concepts into a virtual framework are amusing but irrelevant. -- "I don't care what you say. I'm right and you're wrong." -- Eamon de Valera From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 4 08:59:04 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011004084338.C15993@zgp.org> References: <20011003142846.U18353@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20011003112008.B869@zork.net> <6uzo77c12p.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011004084338.C15993@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011004105903.I11131@tastytronic.net> Quoting Don Marti: > But are they 3.5 virtual inches, 5.25 virtual inches, or 8 virtual > inches? And what happens if you hook up the virtual cable backwards, > and the virtual light stays on? My main box, flynn, has a beautiful, black 5.25 drive, with a big led that flashes either red or green, and a wonderful swingarm locking mechanism. It is a thing of beauty. pedro From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 4 09:01:06 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: <6uk7ybcs7m.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011003142846.U18353@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20011003112008.B869@zork.net> <6uzo77c12p.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011004084338.C15993@zgp.org> <6uk7ybcs7m.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011004090106.B13396@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > It's a 1440K disk image. Arbitrary dimensions in your reality have > nothing to do with it. Your transposition of physical concepts into > a virtual framework are amusing but irrelevant. Okay 'gene, fess up. What have you done with the real Sneakums? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Thu Oct 4 09:09:54 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011004090106.B13396@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > Okay 'gene, fess up. What have you done with the real > Sneakums? Innocent, Yer Honor. Looks like a bad case of autochtonous encephalization to me. Suggested therapy: a bout heavy drinking, drug abuse, and some nasty sex. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 4 09:22:41 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011003210915.S14882@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com> <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org> <20011003210915.S14882@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011004092241.C13396@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Peter Horst quotation: > > Ummm...am I missing something, or is www.adequacy.org just one > > gigantic troll? > > It seems that way from many of the entries. us.slashnet.org #adequacy: *** Crackmonkey (~nick@cloaked.zork.net) has joined channel Well look what rubbish the cat dragged in. Now why does that name sound familiar... -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 4 09:34:11 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] ashamed to admit I find this interesting... Message-ID: <20011004113411.J11131@tastytronic.net> http://www.drizzle.com/~knuckles/boyfriend.html -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 4 10:47:54 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: music wants to be $9.99 In-Reply-To: <20010928154206.B29832@zgp.org> References: <20010928154206.B29832@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011004104754.A20306@zgp.org> begin Don Marti quotation of Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 03:42:06PM -0700: > Subject: music wants to be $9.99 ...snip... > http://www.lipservicemag.com/aretaile.htm No it doesn't. http://www.riaa.com/MD-US-7.cfm -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From aaronl at vitelus.com Thu Oct 4 13:33:44 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011004092241.C13396@zork.net> References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com> <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org> <20011003210915.S14882@linuxmafia.com> <20011004092241.C13396@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011004133344.A29105@vitelus.com> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:22:41AM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > Now why does that name sound familiar... CRAIG MCPHEARSON!!!!!!!! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 4 13:35:30 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nfi; it just Does Not Make Sense In-Reply-To: <20011004133344.A29105@vitelus.com> References: <20011004112137.A8315@anu.edu.au> <20011003192419.A22158@vitelus.com> <20011003192834.B22158@vitelus.com> <20011003230127.V5826@pozzo.ointment.org> <20011003210915.S14882@linuxmafia.com> <20011004092241.C13396@zork.net> <20011004133344.A29105@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011004133530.I13396@zork.net> begin Aaron Lehmann quotation: > CRAIG MCPHEARSON!!!!!!!! ph33r -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From erin at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 5 00:16:15 2001 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Arab Internment Camps In-Reply-To: <20011001111728.E42584@samurai.com> References: <20011001001931.A15903@linuxmafia.com> <20011001074815.P556@zork.net> <20011001111728.E42584@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011005001615.A16705@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 11:17:28AM -0400, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 07:48:15AM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > > > "The poll, conducted September 27, covered interviews with 1,055 adult > > > Americans, including 862 registered voters." > > > > "Fully 128 had a high-school diploma" > > HAHA, yeah, Americans are stupid. > Yeah whenever I see an American I walk up to them and say "Your STUPID you stupid american!!!" and then I punch them. I think we should have American Internment Camps, and then go and punch all the interns. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 5 00:30:52 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] ashamed to admit I find this interesting... In-Reply-To: <20011004113411.J11131@tastytronic.net> ("Peter A. Peterson II"'s message of "Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:34:11 -0500") References: <20011004113411.J11131@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <6ug08yczmb.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Peter A Peterson quotation: > http://www.drizzle.com/~knuckles/boyfriend.html Ah, so Sonic renounced his vow of chastity? -- "You don't drink, you don't get high; so make sure you take your medicine, boy." -- Eamon de Valera From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Fri Oct 5 08:30:38 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Debian Weekly News - October 3rd, 2001 In-Reply-To: References: <20011004090106.B13396@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011006013038.B27462@masher.homeip.net> > Innocent, Yer Honor. Looks like a bad case of autochtonous encephalization ITYM autochthonous. Goes with his oversized virtual floppy drive, I guess. J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com "Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for Christmas" -- Arnold 'Ace' Rimmer, Red Dwarf From zen at zork.net Fri Oct 5 08:53:18 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] ashamed to admit I find this interesting... In-Reply-To: <6ug08yczmb.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011004113411.J11131@tastytronic.net> <6ug08yczmb.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011005085318.B29811@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > > http://www.drizzle.com/~knuckles/boyfriend.html > > Ah, so Sonic renounced his vow of chastity? Well, MacGuyver's nice and all, but he's no Bakulor. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Oct 5 12:42:28 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] ashamed to admit I find this interesting... In-Reply-To: <20011005085318.B29811@zork.net> References: <20011004113411.J11131@tastytronic.net> <6ug08yczmb.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011005085318.B29811@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011005144228.U11131@tastytronic.net> Quoting George Moffitt: > Well, MacGuyver's nice and all, but he's no Bakulor. Man, I remember when I could come home from school and watch Quincy, Magnum P.I., and M*A*S*H* all in a row. http://www.drizzle.com/~knuckles/archive/quincy.html Oh, and Scott Baklava is in there, too: http://www.drizzle.com/~knuckles/archive/scottbakula.html ...sort of. pedro From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Oct 5 14:14:26 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spammers are getting more clever all the time... Message-ID: <20011005161426.W11131@tastytronic.net> Pick a punchline: 1. "Man, for a second, I thought about taking these guys up on their fabulous offer!" 2. "And for the sofa, the loveseat, and the dining set, Mr. Johnson, you've got to -- NAME THAT SPAM!" ----- Forwarded message from ----- [?s snipped] ???????, ???? ?? ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????? ???????????? ????????? ????? ??? ???????? ????? US$ ? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ??? ????????? (?????????? ????? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????, ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ????????? ?????? E-mail(?) ? ?????????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????, ???? ???? ?? ????, ??? ????,  ????? - ? ????? ?????? ????? ?????), ????????? ?????????? ?? ???? ?? ?? ?? ???? ? ???????? (???? ??? ??? ????? ??????) ???????????, ?????????? ?? ?????? ????? 20 US$ (???????, ? ???? ??, ???????? ????????? ????? ?????? ??? ???), ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??????? (?.?. ??? ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?????? ?????????? [?s snipped] ???????????? ? ????? ???????? e-mail ????? ? ????? ?????. ????? ? ??? ?????????, ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ???????. ???????? ????? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????. ?? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??????, ????? ????????? ?????? ?????. ????????? ????? ? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ?????????: "??? ????????! ??? ????? ?????????? ???? ?? ???!". ????? ???????? ?? ?????????, ?? ? ??? ????? ????????, ? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? e-mail, ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ??????. [?s snipped] ? ??????? ???? ?????? ? ??????? 29 ??????? ?? ?????????? ?1. ????? ?????? ????? ????????? ???? ? ???????, ?????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ??? ???????, a ?????? ??? ????????? ?? ??? ????. ? ????? ? ????????? ????? 64.000,- USD. ? ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????! ?? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ???? ????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ?????????. ???? ? [?s snipped] ??? ? ? ???? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?????. ??? ? ????? ?? ?????, ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????????. ? ??? ????????? ????? 4.000.000,- USD!!! ???????? ???????????? ??? ????????? ????? ????, ??? ?????? 16.000 ????????, ??????? ? ??? ????, ????????, ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????. ??? ?????????!!!!! Jody Jacobs, Richmond,VA. [?s snipped] 4. ??????????? ???? ????????? ? MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING! 5. ????? ???????????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????? ? 20 US$ ???????? ?????? ???? ????? (??? ??????, ??? ? ??????????? ? ?????????)! 6. ???? ?????????, ??????? ?? ????????, ???????? ?????? ????????! 7. ??? ????????? ???????? ??????? ???? ?????! *** ???, ???, ?????????, ????? ????? ??? ??????? (?????????? ?0): 1. ??????????? ????????? ?????? (?? ?????, ??? 2) ????????? WebMoney keeper ?? ????? http://www.webmoney.ru/ ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ?????? ? ????????? ? ?????????? ?? ???? ??????? ????????. 2. ????????? ????  Z ??????? 20 US$ (??? ??????? R ??????? - ???? ? ????? ?????? ??? ????????????????? WebMoney, ? ????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????? ? US$, ? ????? ???????? ????? ?? US$ ?????? ????? ??????? (?.?. ??????? ?????? ?? ?????? R-???????? ?? Z ). ????????? ???????? ???? ???????? - ?? http://www.webmoney.ru/rus/perevods.htm/ 3. ????? ??????????? ????? ? ??? ???????, ???????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????????, ????? ???????? WebMoney ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????? ?? [?s snipped] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From erin at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 5 15:59:15 2001 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spammers are getting more clever all the time... In-Reply-To: <20011005161426.W11131@tastytronic.net> References: <20011005161426.W11131@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011005155915.A17285@dasbistro.com> > ???????, ???? ?? ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????? > ???????????? ????????? ????? ??? ???????? ????? US$ ? ????? ?? > ?????? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ??? ????????? (?????????? ????? ????? > ???????? ?????? ?? ???????, ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ????????? I've gotten 3 (maybe more?) of these I love procmail too :0 * -75^0 * 1^1 B ?? ?? /dev/null From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 5 16:46:41 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spammers are getting more clever all the time... In-Reply-To: <20011005155915.A17285@dasbistro.com> References: <20011005161426.W11131@tastytronic.net> <20011005155915.A17285@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011005164641.D19030@zork.net> begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > I love procmail too > > :0 > * -75^0 > * 1^1 B ?? ?? > /dev/null Is there stuff here that I'm not seeing? How does this work? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rillian at telus.net Fri Oct 5 18:45:20 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spammers are getting more clever all the time... In-Reply-To: <20011005164641.D19030@zork.net> Message-ID: On Friday, October 5, 2001, at 04:46 , Monkey Master wrote: > Is there stuff here that I'm not seeing? How does this work? See, first you run it through a lame mailer that clobbers the charset encoding. -r From edmonds at robertedmonds.net Fri Oct 5 22:50:27 2001 From: edmonds at robertedmonds.net (Robert Edmonds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:43 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] "...bacterial growth mold, and not human tissue." Message-ID: <20011006015027.A24298@robertedmonds.net> http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-100264420011003-181007.html -- Robert Edmonds edmonds@robertedmonds.net From dsaklad at gnu.org Sat Oct 6 21:52:41 2001 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: Transcript of your Boston Public Library online reference session Message-ID: Transcript of your Boston Public Library online reference session http://www.bpl.org Here're some comments, indented, on the transcript: There's more effort about what can't be done than for what might be useful. An abbreviation or code should've been made clear, what's bj [Netscape browser dies] [Explorer browser] Waves of exhaustion wash over me! My own writing, that web link, sent back to me Not answered, let people know what state you're in there... Not asking what can't be done. Why waste effort that could be used instead with respect to what might be done?... Do you really only want to do the common things instead of more interesting, different things potentially?... Payback type of comment that's unnecessary, as if the reference transaction interrupted duties. Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 11:26:01 -0700 From: admin@247ref.org Subject: Transcript of your Boston Public Library online reference session To: don@saklad.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is a transcript of your Boston Public Library online reference session. Question: How can BPL Departments Reference Desks cooperate better with requests for background information about how each respective Departments Reference Desks work and what is done behind the scenes back stage so to speak to present collections and Departmental services?... Albeit recursive, this is as valid a Reference Question as any other Reference Question, maybe even admirable that someone is interested in learning and understanding more about the lib. don Warner saklad: How can BPL Departments Reference Desks cooperate better with requests for background information about how each respective Departments Reference Desks work and what is done behind the scenes back stage so to speak to present collections and Departmental services?... Albeit recursive, this is as valid a Reference Question as any other Reference Question, maybe even admirable that someone is interested in learning and understanding more about the lib. Please hold, a librarian will be with you shortly. [MCLS Librarian bj - is coming online...please wait. Please do not hit your "refresh" or "reload" button or you will be disconnected.] An abbreviation or code should've been made clear, what's bj MCLS Librarian bj: Hello, this is the reference librarian. don Warner saklad: Thank you for your interest in the question! Good afternoon! MCLS Librarian bj: Thanks for your good nature. MCLS Librarian bj: Are you looking for an answer, or... MCLS Librarian bj: well, my impression is... MCLS Librarian bj: that you might be looking for input from, for example... MCLS Librarian bj: administrators and reference specialists of the MCLS cooperative. You are a librarian, am I right? don Warner saklad: ...looking for more detailed additional BPL documentation that can be sent via email, perhaps arrange to be made available via BPL web links. don Warner saklad: ...internal reports from curatorial personnel or city public library consultants about the lib that are legitimately public municipal government reports. MCLS Librarian bj: Please help me get a fix on your interest & the reason for it. don Warner saklad: It's focused on how to use our city's public library more effectively by using the very same documentation used by BPL Departments Curators. In other words be my own amateur curator. MCLS Librarian bj: Are you in Massachusetts? don Warner saklad: Yup and trying to navigate our BPL buildings, floors, collections and services. MCLS Librarian bj: Whom have you been in contact with at BPL regarding your concerns & interests? don Warner saklad: I'm interested in reading BPL committees reports, for example. But they've not been accessioned as the municipal documents which they are. MCLS Librarian bj: Again--whom have you been in touch with, at BPL, about all this? [Netscape browser dies] [MCLS Librarian bj - user has closed this session] Please use our service often. You can also email us with questions or feedback. [Explorer browser] Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 12:02:59 -0700 From: admin@247ref.org Subject: Transcript of your Boston Public Library online reference session To: don@saklad.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is a transcript of your Boston Public Library online reference session. Question: I'm interested in reading BPL reports on collections and related reports but they haven't been accessioned as the legitimately public municipal government documents they really are... don Warner saklad: I'm interested in reading BPL reports on collections and related reports but they haven't been accessioned as the legitimately public municipal government documents they really are... Please hold, a librarian will be with you shortly. [MCLS Librarian bj - is coming online...please wait. Please do not hit your "refresh" or "reload" button or you will be disconnected.] MCLS Librarian bj: Greetings, Mr. Warner. I think your best course of action... MCLS Librarian bj: would be to work closely with sympathetic staff at BPL. Have you been in touch with any such? don Warner saklad: I've tried many BPL Departments and senior BPL personnel without any understanding of this request for background information MCLS Librarian bj: I see. don Warner saklad: ...except for John J. Devine, an excellent librarian there. MCLS Librarian bj: Perhaps Mr. Devine could be a source of insight regarding how to focus your requests for information, MCLS Librarian bj: or word them perhaps in "librarianspeak," MCLS Librarian bj: so that they might enjoy a more satisfactory response from the administrators. don Warner saklad: Here're web links describing the predicament of attempting to get the background information don Warner saklad: http://geocities.com/dsaklad/BostonMayorTomMenino MCLS Librarian bj: Could you send the URL in shorter chunks (using the carriage return)? The part after dsaklad/B is not visible to me. don Warner saklad: http://geocities.com don Warner saklad: /dsaklad don Warner saklad: /BostonMayorTomMenino MCLS Librarian bj: Thank you. In a quick search I found a tribute page to you at http://www.stormloader.com/saklad/posting.html MCLS Librarian bj: Is the following true? MCLS Librarian bj: "Because Don's posting is continuous, it's impossible to give an accurate count of his posts on a web page, but you can check this link to DejaNews for the latest count. As of March 24th, 1999, Don had 4300 posts stored in the DejaNews archive. " MCLS Librarian bj: That's very impressive! Waves of exhaustion wash over me! don Warner saklad: I'm studying the problem of getting access to legitimately public municipal documents including but not limited to our cities public libraries very own documentation. MCLS Librarian bj: [Page sent - Guide to Problematical Library Use BPLer's journal] http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsaklad/ My own writing, that web link, sent back to me MCLS Librarian bj: Yes, it's a worthy pursuit. don Warner saklad: Keep me in the loop, if you will. Please consider following up if you happen across further information on the Reference Question. don Warner saklad: It's a matter that affects, concerns or interests our cities public libraries users, public libraries personnel and public libraries unions collective bargaining labor relations advocates. MCLS Librarian bj: Yes, you're absolutely right. don Warner saklad: Yup, it's always a possibility that I'm right. I've haven't ruled out that I'm mistaken either! MCLS Librarian bj: Wise words to live by. don Warner saklad: So, how can BPL Departments Reference Desks cooperate better with Reference Requests for their very own Departmental Documentation?... don Warner saklad: Any insight into this predicament would be appreciated... don Warner saklad: Thank you! What state are you in there?... Not answered, let people know what state you're in there... MCLS Librarian bj: Yes, it's a tremendously contentious issue, as you know... MCLS Librarian bj: ...and certainly there can be incongruence in various people's perceptions... MCLS Librarian bj: of what constitute legitimate public service duties & responsibilities. Sadly, MCLS Librarian bj: our function (speaking for my colleagues at the reference service here)... Not asking what can't be done. Why waste effort that could be used instead with respect to what might be done?... don Warner saklad: It's more the idea of making the institution more transparent to those interested people who would learn and understand what happens back stage behind the scenes so to speak MCLS Librarian bj: does not--indeed, cannot--extend to the area of your concern. That is, don Warner saklad: and use the information to use the lib more effectively and efficiently. MCLS Librarian bj: my duty is one of service to the many people who contact us... MCLS Librarian bj: looking for help on specific, concrete tasks (such as, very commonly, school projects!)... Do you really only want to do the common things instead of more interesting, different things potentially?... MCLS Librarian bj: and hence the responsibility that we share is one of striving to offer efficient reference assistance... don Warner saklad: The particular, specific task at hand here is persuading a BPL Department Reference Desk to disclose their very own documents. MCLS Librarian bj: on questions within our purview. This, as I'm sure you'll understand & agree, cannot extend to... MCLS Librarian bj: matters of library policy. I fear I haven't clarified adequately, so let me explain it this way: MCLS Librarian bj: Were you to ask us, "How can I gather information about public library collection development policies?" we would be able... MCLS Librarian bj: to refer you to documents that many agencies have made available. We could not, however... MCLS Librarian bj: presume to try & convince other agencies, whose documents are not so freely available, to, say, post their policies on the Web. MCLS Librarian bj: For a reference librarian, there are only so many hours in a day! MCLS Librarian bj: And if one agrees... MCLS Librarian bj: that a person like me is most useful when s/he is able to assist as many questioners as possible, don Warner saklad: Interpretation of our cities' public libraries collections and services will be enhanced with further use of the web. MCLS Librarian bj: (an important consideration, because we all feel, quite rightly, that library service should touch everyone who seeks it)... don Warner saklad: Robust details about BPL collections and resources will be improved when individual curatorial teams and committees share their expertise and areas of interest. MCLS Librarian bj: then we (users and librarians alike) do everyone a service, don Warner saklad: All that appears to be available is to egg them on over and over rather than a more direct interaction where there's responsa MCLS Librarian bj: when we carefully, efficiently distribute our services as well as our requests for services. MCLS Librarian bj: Which is a veeeery long way of saying that I have another questioner to attend to right now! Payback type of comment that's unnecessary, as if the reference transaction interrupted duties. don Warner saklad: ...more robust responsa don Warner saklad: Thank you! Cheers! oo__ dWs don@saklad.org MCLS Librarian bj: I wish you well in your efforts. Your concerns are very important and deserve a hearing in the appropriate fora. [MCLS Librarian bj - user has closed this session] Please use our service often. You can also email us with questions or feedback. From erin at dasbistro.com Sat Oct 6 23:28:18 2001 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spammers are getting more clever all the time... In-Reply-To: <20011005164641.D19030@zork.net> References: <20011005161426.W11131@tastytronic.net> <20011005155915.A17285@dasbistro.com> <20011005164641.D19030@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011006232818.A1317@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 04:46:41PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > > I love procmail too > > > > :0 Since we are possibly delivering to /dev/null we don't need to lock it with the trailing : (:0 vs :0:) > > * -75^0 Sets score at -75 > > * 1^1 B ?? ?? Scores +1 for every "??" in the body > > /dev/null If the score is > 1 /dev/null > > Is there stuff here that I'm not seeing? How does this work? > I figure if there are 75 instances of "??" in the body you might not want to read the message anyways -- Erin Quinlan http://www.dasbistro.com/~erin #!/bin/sh if [ $[ ( $RANDOM % 6 ) ] = 0 ] ; then echo "BANG! You're dead!" \ ; else echo "click." ; fi # Bash Shell Virtual Russian Roulette From banhp at dca.net Sun Oct 7 00:04:46 2001 From: banhp at dca.net (Phil Banh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spammers are getting more clever all the time... In-Reply-To: <20011006232818.A1317@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Erin Quinlan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 04:46:41PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > > begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > > > I love procmail too > > > > > > :0 > > Since we are possibly delivering to /dev/null we don't need > to lock it with the trailing : (:0 vs :0:) > > > > * -75^0 > > Sets score at -75 > > > > * 1^1 B ?? ?? > > Scores +1 for every "??" in the body > > > > /dev/null > > If the score is > 1 /dev/null > > > > > Is there stuff here that I'm not seeing? How does this work? > > > > I figure if there are 75 instances of "??" in the body you might not > want to read the message anyways > Nice recipe... I'm suitably impressed. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 7 00:49:53 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Spammers are getting more clever all the time... In-Reply-To: <20011006232818.A1317@dasbistro.com> References: <20011005161426.W11131@tastytronic.net> <20011005155915.A17285@dasbistro.com> <20011005164641.D19030@zork.net> <20011006232818.A1317@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011007004953.A21898@zork.net> begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > I figure if there are 75 instances of "??" in the body you might not > want to read the message anyways That's quite odd, since I assumed that procmail would see \037\172 or something instead of a literal "??". -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Oct 7 06:00:49 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] the fine art of trolling In-Reply-To: <20010929134157.A9002@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 16:41:57 -0400 References: <20010929134157.A9002@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011007090049.A30121@www2.mrbrklyn.com> And what is the threat if they don't clean the Net.... NYC is running out of targets...... On 2001.09.29 16:41:57 -0400 Don Marti wrote: Whichever one of you people it was...pretty good one. ----- Forwarded message from Sulema Vicencio ----- Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sulema Vicencio Subject: [freenet-support] Internet Censoring To: support@freenetproject.org Sender: support-admin@freenetproject.org Hello, my name is Sulema. I am writing you an email to request information as to how I may censor the internet. I am a college student enrolled in a human anatomy class. At times I surf the internet for help. I have run into various sites that are very disguisting. I also have a 12 year old brother who surfs the internet and I don't want him to come across the filth that is out there. I would greatly appreciate if you sent me information on censoring the internet. If possible please include the price lists. Thank You, Sulema __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/support ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sun Oct 7 07:03:52 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] When we were on the brink of war before Message-ID: <20011007100352.C30642@www2.mrbrklyn.com> CBS just announced that we can learn important lessons on how the Pentagon might plan attacks on Afganastan by looking at what we did when we were on the brink of war with Haiti in 1994... Hmmmm -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 7 11:25:06 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan Message-ID: <20011007112506.D21898@zork.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1556000/1556588.stm Why the FUQ does it always have to include aerial bombings? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Oct 7 11:31:38 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <20011007112506.D21898@zork.net> References: <20011007112506.D21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011007113138.G2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1556000/1556588.stm > Why the FUQ does it always have to include aerial bombings? CNN's terms for subsidising the Federal government require it. -- Cheers, Thank you. We're all refreshed and challeged Rick Moen by your unique point of view. rick@linuxmafia.com From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 7 11:36:17 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] XFS it is to r0xx0r! Message-ID: <20011007113617.E21898@zork.net> XFS IS FOR R0xx0R! So here's the big deal: 1: XFS keeps its tools and kernel tree all in CVS. It's like being on FreeBSD! You just cvs up -Pd and then re-make! Huzzah! 2: the tools come with makefiles that'll build debian packages, and those packages are IN DEBIAN (though a little behind the CVS tree). beaujolais! 3: XFS uses the new fancy VM improvements, so your XFS partitions don't use the fuqn buffer cache! Dynamic paging all the way, almost like FreeBSD! Fantastico! 4: XFS is like the LFS, in that it starts out as a tiny little filesystem stub on disk, and grows as needed. r0xx0r! 5: reiserfsck erased all my data over a few measly bad blocks! bastich! 6: XFS will soon support freezing of filesystems (like SoftUpdates, again ALMOST LIKE FreeBSD!) and other fancy tricks. Beaujolais! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From aaronl at vitelus.com Sun Oct 7 13:58:52 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <20011007112506.D21898@zork.net> References: <20011007112506.D21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011007135852.A8216@vitelus.com> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 11:25:06AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Why the FUQ does it always have to include aerial bombings? They tried to bring in the tanks but the rails had non-standard gauges. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sun Oct 7 14:08:16 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <20011007135852.A8216@vitelus.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > They tried to bring in the tanks but the rails had non-standard > gauges. Armor is largely useless in the mountains. Also, the landscape is lousy with mines, some of them anti-armor. From erin at dasbistro.com Sun Oct 7 14:15:35 2001 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: References: <20011007135852.A8216@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011007141534.A24952@dasbistro.com> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 11:08:16PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > > They tried to bring in the tanks but the rails had non-standard > > gauges. > > Armor is largely useless in the mountains. Also, the landscape is lousy > with mines, some of them anti-armor. > Besides how are we as a nation supposed to watch cruise missle movies if we don't use cruise missles. We can all gather around the tv with the popcorn and kids and turn on cnn and watch people get blowed up. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sun Oct 7 14:19:20 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <20011007141534.A24952@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Erin Quinlan wrote: > We can all gather around the tv with the popcorn and kids and turn on > cnn and watch people get blowed up. Hey, I haven't seen another Nintendo war in a while. Somebody pass me a cold one, and a packet of peanuts. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 7 14:57:37 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <20011007141534.A24952@dasbistro.com> References: <20011007135852.A8216@vitelus.com> <20011007141534.A24952@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011007145737.F21898@zork.net> begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > Besides how are we as a nation supposed to watch cruise missle > movies if we don't use cruise missles. My guess is that these cruise missiles have a telemetry-only payload, so that we can get our movies in sensurround hyperchrome cinerama. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sam at dasbistro.com Sun Oct 7 14:59:51 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <20011007141534.A24952@dasbistro.com>; from erin@dasbistro.com on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 02:15:35PM -0700 References: <20011007135852.A8216@vitelus.com> <20011007141534.A24952@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011007145951.D26923@dasbistro.com> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 02:15:35PM -0700, Erin Quinlan wrote: > > We can all gather around the tv with the popcorn and kids and turn on > cnn and watch people get blowed up. > Don't you love the surprised expressions on peoples faces right before the signal dies. It's just like candid camera. I love the slo-mo actoin replays too. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From zen at zork.net Sun Oct 7 15:04:07 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: References: <20011007141534.A24952@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011007150407.B5064@zork.net> begin Eugene Leitl quotation: > Hey, I haven't seen another Nintendo war in a while. Somebody pass me a > cold one, and a packet of peanuts. I fail to see what Link, Samus, and Mario have to do with this. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Oct 7 15:45:36 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] SO we're bombing Afghanistan In-Reply-To: <20011007112506.D21898@zork.net> References: <20011007112506.D21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008084536.H1658@perkypants.org> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1556000/1556588.stm > > Why the FUQ does it always have to include aerial bombings? http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/07/ret.attack.bush/index.html Why the FUQ does he always look so surprised to be on TV? "Holy crap! I'm on the TV again!" - Jeff -- "Spam is about consent, not content." - Craig Sanders From bob at ruptured-duck.com Sun Oct 7 17:50:14 2001 From: bob at ruptured-duck.com (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert Message-ID: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> How often do I forward political stuff? Not freakin' often enough! --- cut --- As you know the US has waged a war on terrorism. However, this war has excluded groups that are currently waging a campaign of violence against Israel. If we really want to rid the world of evil, we need to be honest. Therefore, I ask all of you to contact your respective Senators and let them know that terrorist groups such as the Tanzim, Islamic Jihad and Hamas should also be included in the list of heinous criminals. To do so simply: 1) Surf to: http://www.ou.org/public/actionalerts/2001/plosanc090601.htm and read the discussion of the McConnell/Feinstein Amendment. 2) Click on the "Use our automated letter" icon, or go directly to: http://www.ou.org/public/action/ipa-plosanc.cfm 3) Find your State on the drop-down list. 4) Fill in your name and address and click to send, then again for your other senator. 5) Forward this to your friends. Thank you, you can make a difference. --- cut --- Thank you, you can make a difference. -- "Through the dust clouds of September 11, and during the difficult task ahead, one person hovers over the wreckage - and that is Bill Clinton. His legacy gets darker with each passing day." --Andrew Sullivan, The Sunday Times (London) 9/30/01 --==++> http://SixtiesSurvivor.org <++==-- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island, USA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 7 17:55:28 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20011007175528.L21898@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Thank you, you can make a difference. Sorry, man. If this country goes to the draft, I'll be too busy putting out forest fires to make a difference. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From elharaty at utdallas.edu Sun Oct 7 19:26:09 2001 From: elharaty at utdallas.edu (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Bob Bernstein wrote: > How often do I forward political stuff? Not freakin' often enough! > > --- cut --- > > As you know the US has waged a war on terrorism. However, > this war has excluded groups that are currently waging a > campaign of violence against Israel. If we really want to rid > the world of evil, we need to be honest. > The thing is, we are currently waging a war on _International_ terrorism. If we decided to include palestinian groups whose actions are central to Israel, we'd also need to include "the real ira" (who btw are not the real ira) and wierdo french terrorists like the basques. Likewise, we'd also need to take out the Israeli/Jewish terrorists organizations which are listed on the state departments most recent list of terrorist organizations (The are the likes of the guy who assassinated Rabin). Now if you instead are really asking that we just take out Arab terrorists, feel free to just say that and cut the fancy wording. -- Emad El-Haraty A likely impossibility is always preferable to an unconvincing possibility. -- Aristotle From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 7 19:35:07 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20011007193507.M21898@zork.net> begin Emad El-Haraty quotation: > The thing is, we are currently waging a war on _International_ > terrorism. Are you sure that isn't International Communism? > we'd also need to include "the real ira" (who btw are not the real > ira) Is that anything like The Real Ghostbusters? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 7 20:18:46 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] BBC translation better than crappy CNN one Message-ID: <20011007201846.N21898@zork.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1585000/1585636.stm At least this one doesn't say "autorock". I'm convinced that CNN was trying to make him sound illiterate. I've been watching the CNN closed-caption newsfeed on slashnet, and it's pretty pathetic. <+CNN_rls> You guys aren'T kiss. <+CNN_rls> No. But we did stay at a holiday inn express, last night. Heh, KISS. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Oct 7 20:32:15 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007193507.M21898@zork.net> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007193507.M21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008133215.U1658@perkypants.org> > Are you sure that isn't International Communism? Am I allowed to say Crelm Toothpaste now? > Is that anything like The Real Ghostbusters? I have to be if you're going to bring up that sordid mess. - Jeff -- "What's up with that word though... it's like something you did to frogs in grammar school." - Ani DiFranco on bisexuality From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 7 20:37:56 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011008133215.U1658@perkypants.org> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007193507.M21898@zork.net> <20011008133215.U1658@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011007203756.P21898@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > Am I allowed to say Crelm Toothpaste now? No. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Oct 7 20:46:37 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Emad El-Haraty quotation: > Now if you instead are really asking that we just take out Arab > terrorists, feel free to just say that and cut the fancy wording. Methinks the "international coalition" is broad-mindedly willing to go after Pashtun, Tadjik, Uzbek, Turkmen, Persian, Azeri, Kurdish, Turkish, Berber, Yemeni, Punjabi, and Sindhi terrorists, too. Isn't that _so_ reassuring? -- Cheers, (Regarding "In God we trust":) "Don't ask me how you set the Rick Moen trust-level of a god." "At a PGP signing party?" rick@linuxmafia.com -- Per Leijonhufvud & Peter de Silva, in ASR From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 7 20:45:55 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011007204555.Q21898@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Methinks the "international coalition" is broad-mindedly willing to > go after Pashtun, Tadjik, Uzbek, Turkmen, Persian, Azeri, Kurdish, > Turkish, Berber, Yemeni, Punjabi, and Sindhi terrorists, too. > > Isn't that _so_ reassuring? The whirling Dhervishes will slice them to ribbons. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Oct 7 20:57:57 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007175528.L21898@zork.net> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007175528.L21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011007205757.P2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Monkey Master quotation: > Sorry, man. If this country goes to the draft, I'll be too > busy putting out forest fires to make a difference. If we dampen you first, you might suffice to snuff a small leftover campfire. -- Cheers, The X11 approach to device independence is Rick Moen to treat everything like a MicroVAX on acid. rick@linuxmafia.com From bob at ruptured-duck.com Sun Oct 7 21:16:32 2001 From: bob at ruptured-duck.com (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007175528.L21898@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 05:55:28PM -0700 References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007175528.L21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008001632.G4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 05:55:28PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > Sorry, man. If this country goes to the draft, I'll be too > busy putting out forest fires to make a difference. Once again I am at a loss to follow your chain of associations. Let me try: draft -> flee to Canada(!) -> lots of trees up there -> forest fires or draft -> burn draft cards -> we got a fire now anyways or draft -> indolent West coast draft dodgers and pacifist lamers head to hills -> too much North Slope trip weed consumed -> lots of forest fires! But hey, you're too old anyways. I got me a 1-Y back in the day: childhood asthma + heavy duty psych diagnosis from MIT shrink + answered 'yes' to every question that started with either: "Have you ever taken in any form via any route of administration..." or "Have you ever engaged in sexual congress with...". I know, I know, the first alone would have sufficed, but who would take chances? South Boston Navy Yard. Oh yeah. Back in the day. I saw the best minds of my generation....oops. Wrong tangent. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, R.I., USA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 7 21:29:19 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011008001632.G4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007175528.L21898@zork.net> <20011008001632.G4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20011007212919.R21898@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 05:55:28PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > > Sorry, man. If this country goes to the draft, I'll be too > > busy putting out forest fires to make a difference. > > Once again I am at a loss to follow your chain of associations. Let > me try: Oh please don't. It's really simple. Smoke Jumping and Paramedic duty are the two most noble forms of draft dodging known to humankind. And if I can't escape the draft, there'll be plenty of fires to put out even then. But only you can prevent forest fires. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From erikb at ob1.beadpainter.org Sun Oct 7 21:45:11 2001 From: erikb at ob1.beadpainter.org (Elite Dark Clown) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com>; from rick@linuxmafia.com on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 08:46:37PM -0700 References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011007224511.B28019@ob1.beadpainter.org> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 08:46:37PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Methinks the "international coalition" is broad-mindedly willing to go > after Pashtun, Tadjik, Uzbek, Turkmen, Persian, Azeri, Kurdish, Turkish, > Berber, Yemeni, Punjabi, and Sindhi terrorists, too. Looks like America had slipped your mind. You know, baptist church bombers, abortion clinic sharp shooters and government agency modifiers. Well they are prolly not technically terrorists since they do not wear a turban. Let's not fool ourselves, there is no war and we are not going to end terrorism. The memory of the slain will be used to go after any target that is politically acceptable and with time less and less will be acceptable. Unless we can envision a crusie missile striking Falwell's compound for harboring abortion clinic radicals and homo haters. Or even a raid on a KKK rally and everyone arrested and held indefinitely without charges. I also doubt the coalition has the stomach to bomb China. A great many of Bin's boys dwell there and i have the feeling a lot more just showed up. edc P.S. I apologize for mixing the meaning of the Moen's post for my soap box. -- I AM NOT THE LAST DON --Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode AABF21 From bob at ruptured-duck.com Sun Oct 7 22:34:24 2001 From: bob at ruptured-duck.com (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007224511.B28019@ob1.beadpainter.org>; from erikb@ob1.beadpainter.org on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:45:11PM -0600 References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011007224511.B28019@ob1.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <20011008013424.K4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:45:11PM -0600, Elite Dark Clown wrote: > Looks like America had slipped your mind. You know, baptist church bombers, > abortion clinic sharp shooters and government agency modifiers. Well they > are prolly not technically terrorists since they do not wear a turban. WSJ.com October 4, 2001 The Agony of the Left by Andrew Sullivan One of the most telling things I have seen since the Sept. 11 massacre was an early "peace movement" e-mail. It listed three major demands: stop the war; stop racism; stop ethnic scapegoating. A liberal friend had appended a sardonic comment to the bottom. "Any chance we could come out against terrorism as well?" One of the overlooked aspects of the war we are now fighting is the awakening it has spawned on the left. In one atrocity, Osama bin Laden may have accomplished what a generation of conservative writers have failed to do: convince mainstream liberals of the illogic and nihilism of the powerful postmodern left. For the first time in a very long while, many liberals are reassessing -- quietly for the most part -- their alliance with the anti-American, anti-capitalist forces they have long appeased, ignored or supported. Collective Knee Of course the initial response of left-wing intellectuals to Sept. 11 was one jerking of the collective knee. This was America's fault. From Susan Sontag to Michael Moore, from Noam Chomsky to Edward Said, there was no question that, however awful the attack on the World Trade Center, it was vital to keep attention fixed on the real culprit: the United States. Of the massacre, a Rutgers professor summed up the consensus by informing her students that "We should be aware that, whatever its proximate cause, its ultimate cause is the fascism of U.S. foreign policy over the past many decades." Or as a poster at the demonstrations in Washington last weekend put it, "Amerika, Get A Clue." Less noticed was the reasoned stance of liberal groups like the National Organization for Women. President Kim Candy stated that "The Taliban government of Afghanistan, believed to be harboring suspect Osama bin Laden, subjugates women and girls, and deprives them of the most basic human rights -- including education, medicine and jobs. The smoldering remains of the World Trade Center are a stark reminder that when such extremism is allowed to flourish anywhere in the world, none of us is safe." The NAACP issued an equally forceful "message of resolve," declaring, "These tragedies and these acts of evil must not go unpunished. Justice must be served." Left-wing dissident Christopher Hitchens, meanwhile, assailed his comrades as "soft on crime and soft on fascism." After an initial spasm of equivocation, the American Prospect magazine ran a column this week accusing the pre-emptive peace movement of "a truly vile form of moral equivalency" in equating President Bush with terrorists. Not a hard call, but daring for a magazine that rarely has even a civil word for the right. Most moving was Salman Rushdie's early call in the New York Times to "be clear about why this bien-pensant anti-American onslaught is such appalling rubbish. Terrorism is the murder of the innocent; this time, it was mass murder. To excuse such an atrocity by blaming U.S. government policies is to deny the basic idea of all morality: that individuals are responsible for their actions." Whatever else is going on, the liberal-left alliance has taken as big a hit as the conservative-fundamentalist alliance after the blame-America remarks of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. It's not hard to see why. Unlike previous Cold War battles, this one is against an enemy with no pretense at any universal, secular ideology that could appeal to Western liberals. However repulsive, the communist arguments of, say, Ho Chi Minh or Fidel Castro still appealed to a secular, Western ideology. American leftists could delude themselves that they shared the same struggle. But with Osama bin Laden, and the Islamo-fascism of the Taliban, no such delusions are possible. The American liberal mind has long believed that their prime enemy in America is the religious right. But if Jerry Falwell is the religious right, what does that make the Taliban? They subjugate women with a brutality rare even in the Muslim world; they despise Jews; they execute homosexuals by throwing them from very high buildings or crushing them underneath stone walls. There is literally nothing that the left can credibly cling to in rationalizing support for these hate-filled fanatics. This is therefore an excruciating moment for the postmodern, post-colonial left. They may actually have come across an enemy that even they cannot argue is morally superior to the West. You see this discomfort in the silence of the protestors in Washington, who simply never raised the issue of bin Laden's ideology. You see it in Barbara Ehrenreich's sad plea in the Village Voice: "What is so heartbreaking to me as a feminist is that the strongest response to corporate globalization and U.S. military domination is based on such a violent and misogynist ideology." You see it in the words of Fredric Jameson, a revered postmodernist at Duke University, arguing in the London Review of Books that the roots of the conflict are to be found "in the wholesale massacres of the Left systematically encouraged and directed by the Americans in an even earlier period . . . . It is, however, only now that the results are working their way out into actuality, for the resultant absence of any Left alternative means that popular revolt and resistance in the Third World have nowhere to go but into religious and 'fundamentalist' forms." The only adequate description of this argument is desperate. And, of course, it ducks the hard question. What does the left do now that these forces are indeed fundamentalist? The other rhetorical trope that is fast disintegrating is the anti-racist argument. The doctrine of "post-colonialism" which now dominates many American humanities departments invariably sides with Third World regimes against the accumulated evil of the West. So the emergence of the Taliban is a body-blow. If dark-skinned peoples are inherently better than light-skinned peoples, then how does a dark-skinned culture come up with an ideology that is clearly a function of bigotry, misogyny and homophobia? One immediate response is to argue that the U.S. itself created Osama bin Laden in its war against Soviet communism. This isn't true -- but even if it were, doesn't this fact, as Mr. Hitchens has argued, actually increase the West's responsibility to retaliate against him? What Suppression? It may be, in fact, that one of the silver linings of these awful times is that the far left's bluff has been finally called. War focuses issues in ways peace cannot. Leftists would like to pretend that any criticism of their views raises the spectre of domestic repression. But in a country with a First Amendment, no suppression from government is likely, and in the citadels of the media and the academy, the far left is actually vastly over-represented. The real issue, as pointed out this week by Britain's Labour prime minister, is that some on the left have expressed "a hatred of America that shames those that feel it." The left's howls of anguish are therefore essentially phony -- and they stem from a growing realization that this crisis has largely destroyed the credibility of the far left. Forced to choose between the West and the Taliban, the hard left simply cannot decide. Far from concealing this ideological bankruptcy, we need to expose it and condemn it as widely and as irrevocably as we can. Many liberals are already listening and watching -- and the tectonic plates of politics are shifting as they do. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, R.I., USA From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Oct 7 22:43:46 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007224511.B28019@ob1.beadpainter.org> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011007224511.B28019@ob1.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <20011007224346.W2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Elite Dark Clown quotation: > Looks like America had slipped your mind. I work alone, kid. And, look, you got drool all over the mailing list. -- Cheers, "All my life, I wanted to _be_ someone. I guess I should have Rick Moen been more specific." -- Jane Wagner From bob at ruptured-duck.com Sun Oct 7 23:03:00 2001 From: bob at ruptured-duck.com (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007224346.W2545@linuxmafia.com>; from rick@linuxmafia.com on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:43:46PM -0700 References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011007204637.M2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011007224511.B28019@ob1.beadpainter.org> <20011007224346.W2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011008020300.B9403@robert.ruptured-duck.org> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:43:46PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > And, look, you got drool all over the mailing list. Drool? Check this guy out: http://www.jpfo.org/askrabbi.htm -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, R.I., USA From poop at crapmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 01:34:49 2001 From: poop at crapmonkey.org (Poopmastah) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org>; from bob@ruptured-duck.com on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 08:50:14PM -0400 References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20011008103449.A31549@unity.copyleft.no> > Therefore, I ask all of you to contact your respective > Senators and let them know that terrorist groups such as the > Tanzim, Islamic Jihad and Hamas should also be included in the > list of heinous criminals. And Israel. -- poopmastah From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 01:36:43 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011008103449.A31549@unity.copyleft.no> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011008103449.A31549@unity.copyleft.no> Message-ID: <20011008013643.V21898@zork.net> begin Poopmastah quotation: > And Israel. And Norway. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From poop at crapmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 01:44:17 2001 From: poop at crapmonkey.org (Poopmastah) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011008013643.V21898@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 01:36:43AM -0700 References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011008103449.A31549@unity.copyleft.no> <20011008013643.V21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008104417.B31549@unity.copyleft.no> >> And Israel. > And Norway. We're too weak to do any damage. Unlike that evil terrorist nation called the USA. -- poopmastah From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 01:47:54 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011008104417.B31549@unity.copyleft.no> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011008103449.A31549@unity.copyleft.no> <20011008013643.V21898@zork.net> <20011008104417.B31549@unity.copyleft.no> Message-ID: <20011008014754.W21898@zork.net> begin Poopmastah quotation: > We're too weak to do any damage. Unlike that evil terrorist nation > called the USA. Yeah, but you have that stealth helixcode monkey reach-around technology. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From poop at crapmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 01:59:56 2001 From: poop at crapmonkey.org (Poopmastah) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011008014754.W21898@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 01:47:54AM -0700 References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011008103449.A31549@unity.copyleft.no> <20011008013643.V21898@zork.net> <20011008104417.B31549@unity.copyleft.no> <20011008014754.W21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008105956.C31549@unity.copyleft.no> >> We're too weak to do any damage. Unlike that evil terrorist nation >> called the USA. > Yeah, but you have that stealth helixcode monkey reach-around > technology. Yeah, I forgot. We also have fearsome reindeer-riding sami-terrorists. -- poopmastah From leklund at tastytronic.net Mon Oct 8 08:06:24 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Orthodox Union Action Alert In-Reply-To: <20011008013643.V21898@zork.net> References: <20011007205013.F4452@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20011008103449.A31549@unity.copyleft.no> <20011008013643.V21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008100624.G22685@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > begin Poopmastah quotation: > > And Israel. > And Norway. And the 5% nation of nipple clamps. -- lukas | SELF-EVIDENT, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 8 08:52:48 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] New York Linux Scene Message-ID: <20011008085248.A28460@zgp.org> One more LUG in New York City. ----- Forwarded message from Jim Gleason ----- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:47:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Gleason Subject: [nylug-talk] New York Linux Scene (fwd) To: nylug-announce@nylug.org, nylug-talk@nylug.org Sender: owner-nylug-talk@nylug.org NYLXS, The New York Linux Scene, is launched! An unmoderated mailing list can be subscribed to here: http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/nylinux/mailing.html - Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Gleason VA Linux Systems email: jim@valinux.com http://www.valinux.com phone: 212-858-7684 Pres. New York Linux Users Group fax: 212-858-7685 http://www.nylug.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:54:54 -0400 From: Ruben Safir To: hangout@nylxs.com Subject: New York Linux Scene As folks can see, New York Linux Scene is a new Web Site and organization which will hopefully help support the Free Software and Linux communities of NYC in a variety of ways. Instead of the role of a traditional LUG, this project hopes members learn from doing, and emphasises participation. The website at http://www.nylxs.com currently has working the Jobs section and the Mailing list. Soon to come on line will be the events calender and announcements service. The announcement serive will be a moderated opt in program where people can place announcements and have them sent to the announcements list 48-72 hours prior to an event, as well as flash on the www.nylxs.com site. The calender should be a general purpose moderated list of meetings for any local FS group. In addition to these services, we will be offering classes, starting this month, and training in Linux related areas, and hopefully we will be developing a team of Linux Desktop trainers who can help companies make the transition from MS Word to - say Abiwork, Kword, Evolution, Star Office or/and Applixware. One of the many areas of fustration to businesses wanting to use Linux in the office is the lack of basic training in KDE, GNOME and Applix etc. With look, we will develope a Video library for training in Linux. Another important segment we hope to develope is the a good lending library and journal collection with an on line catelog, as well as a the developement of a regular journal built from our expereince. Lastly, I would like to say that this will be a democratically run organization with general meetings, exective meetings, elections of officers, and an open process. It's important to me to make every member feel that they have home rule. This element has been sorely missing in many lug arraingments across the country, fostering not a rainbow of organizations, but more of a reflection of the community through shattered glass. Everyone is asked to contribute as and when they can. The idea is broad and grand, but when we pull this off, it will benefit every free citizen in NYC, and every free software and linux user. Now we should consider when to have our first general meeting to outline our starting agenda and nominate officers, etc. Ruben -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com 1-718-382-5752 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From elharaty at utdallas.edu Mon Oct 8 09:59:13 2001 From: elharaty at utdallas.edu (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:44 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] "Cops got to eat too" Message-ID: BREAKING NEWS: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011008/od/helicopter_dc.html -- Emad El-Haraty A likely impossibility is always preferable to an unconvincing possibility. -- Aristotle From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 8 10:01:28 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] Message-ID: <20011008100128.Z21898@zork.net> Hoory for ludicrous net.flotsam! ----- Forwarded message from Erin Quinlan ----- On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 09:31:14AM -0400, Trevor Johnson wrote: > > http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/crash.htm > > If I'm ever massacred, I hope someone will honour my memory with > something as hilarious as this. All your base are belong to the tourist!!! http://216.188.151.134/temp/tourist.htm ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 10:06:19 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] "Cops got to eat too" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011008100619.A21898@zork.net> begin Emad El-Haraty quotation: > BREAKING NEWS: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011008/od/helicopter_dc.html ``I don't know whose brain child it was, but it's quite an ugly child,'' he said. The HORROR! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Mon Oct 8 10:34:33 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] "Cops got to eat too" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Emad El-Haraty writes: > BREAKING NEWS: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011008/od/helicopter_dc.html Wow, Albuquerque has Krispy Kreme doughnut stores now? That *is* news! From sam at dasbistro.com Mon Oct 8 10:46:30 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] "Cops got to eat too" In-Reply-To: ; from neale@woozle.org on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 10:34:33AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20011008104630.D27274@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 10:34:33AM -0700, Neale Pickett wrote: > Emad El-Haraty writes: > > BREAKING NEWS: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011008/od/helicopter_dc.html > > Wow, Albuquerque has Krispy Kreme doughnut stores now? That *is* news! > Reno will have some in the Spring. Krispy Kreme is starting a chain of world domination to rival Starbucks. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From neale at woozle.org Mon Oct 8 11:21:48 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: <20011008100128.Z21898@zork.net> References: <20011008100128.Z21898@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick Moffitt writes: > Hoory for ludicrous net.flotsam! I full-heartedly endorse this act of tourist-stamping. To further the cause, I have brewed up a fresh batch of piping-hot tourist. In PNG format with transparent background, to facilitate the pasting over your own favorite photograph! http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/tourist.png Enjoy! Neale From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 8 11:38:00 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [xena@best.com: [sf-caco] Operation Mammoth Clown Head] Message-ID: <20011008113800.D21898@zork.net> XENA WANTS TO USE A MAMMOTH CLOWN HEAD. ----- Forwarded message from Xena - Warrior Princess ----- http://www.dorrk.com/inside.asp?display=297 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 8 11:39:22 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] sexclowns.com Message-ID: <20011008113922.E21898@zork.net> http://www.sexclowns.com/ > A mega-site of Bible, Christian & religious information & studies, > prophecy, doctrine, news, prayer, sermons, statistics, tools & > tracts. Features the Chronological 4 Gospels, Prayer Book, Prophecy > Bible, & a photo tour of Israel. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Mon Oct 8 12:13:06 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Oct 2001, Neale Pickett wrote: > http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/tourist.png http://donkeyshow.org/images/osamatourist.jpg -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From pawal at blipp.com Mon Oct 8 12:17:11 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Sean Moffitt wrote: > > http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/tourist.png > > http://donkeyshow.org/images/osamatourist.jpg I presume you have already seen this, but I just want to make sure: http://www.tctubantia.nl/CDA/regioportal/1%2c2078%2c1654__772741_%2c00.html -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 8 12:32:47 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: rejected] Message-ID: <20011008123246.F21898@zork.net> The CEO of Brooklyn doesn't like me any more! ----- Forwarded message from Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO ----- Envelope-to: nick@zork.net Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:52:22 -0400 From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO To: nick@zork.net Subject: rejected Your Mail has been REJECTED. Either you've sent spam or crossed the line of civility in a previous interaction. It could be that this message has been triggered by key spam favorite words in the subject like Stock or Sex or Money. Good-bye.. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 12:35:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011008123512.G21898@zork.net> begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > I presume you have already seen this, but I just want to make sure: > http://www.tctubantia.nl/CDA/regioportal/1%2c2078%2c1654__772741_%2c00.html Gaaaah! Bert is EVIL! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From robbie at shorty.com Mon Oct 8 12:53:10 2001 From: robbie at shorty.com (Robbie Honerkamp) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: ; from pawal@blipp.com on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 09:17:11PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20011008205310.B460@shorty.com> Thus spake Patrik Wallstrom (pawal@blipp.com): > I presume you have already seen this, but I just want to make sure: > http://www.tctubantia.nl/CDA/regioportal/1%2c2078%2c1654__772741_%2c00.html They're selling poster sized wall calendars of bin Laden here in Lagos. Every modern office needs at least one. Robbie From neale at woozle.org Mon Oct 8 12:42:21 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrik Wallstrom writes: > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Sean Moffitt wrote: >> http://donkeyshow.org/images/osamatourist.jpg > I presume you have already seen this, but I just want to make sure: > http://www.tctubantia.nl/CDA/regioportal/1%2c2078%2c1654__772741_%2c00.html If you've seen that, then you must have already seen this: http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/rally-tourist.jpg From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 8 12:44:11 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011008124411.H21898@zork.net> begin Neale Pickett quotation: > If you've seen that, then you must have already seen this: > http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/rally-tourist.jpg Sorry man, Bert and the Tourist would kersplode if they were in the same room. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pawal at blipp.com Mon Oct 8 12:45:57 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Oct 2001, Neale Pickett wrote: > > I presume you have already seen this, but I just want to make sure: > > http://www.tctubantia.nl/CDA/regioportal/1%2c2078%2c1654__772741_%2c00.html > > If you've seen that, then you must have already seen this: > http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/rally-tourist.jpg Is it in CVS? -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Oct 8 12:47:14 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: <20011008205310.B460@shorty.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Robbie Honerkamp wrote: > They're selling poster sized wall calendars of bin Laden here in Lagos. > Every modern office needs at least one. Yes, so they can be spotted from orbit, and deliver a 5 kT warhead within a two anal aperture diameters standard deviation. From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 8 13:00:14 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: rejected] In-Reply-To: <20011008123246.F21898@zork.net> References: <20011008123246.F21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008130014.B2610@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 12:32:47PM -0700: > The CEO of Brooklyn doesn't like me any more! It's the crack advocay, obviously. The CEO's position on crack is straight out of Mr. T. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 8 13:23:03 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] THE AGRESSOR LANGUAGE Message-ID: <20011008132303.I21898@zork.net> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/esperanto1.shtml -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 8 13:29:21 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011008132921.K21898@zork.net> [insert witty electricity-related joke here] ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- mdl@60hz.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 8 14:23:24 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] THE AGRESSOR LANGUAGE In-Reply-To: <20011008132303.I21898@zork.net> References: <20011008132303.I21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011008142324.A4992@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 01:23:03PM -0700: > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/esperanto1.shtml Save the BBC! http://savebbc.org/ The availability of Linux "Bootable Business Cards" has caused the British Broadcasting Corporation to cease broadcasting in a snit. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 8 15:55:09 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Be a responsible WWF parent. Message-ID: <20011008155508.M21898@zork.net> http://www.wwfparents.com/ -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 9 00:37:43 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [erinq@aztech-cs.com: Re: [Pigdog] last WTC pic] In-Reply-To: (Patrik Wallstrom's message of "Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:45:57 +0200 (CEST)") References: Message-ID: <6uy9mlb6wo.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > On 8 Oct 2001, Neale Pickett wrote: >> If you've seen that, then you must have already seen this: >> http://woozle.org/~neale/tmp/rally-tourist.jpg > > Is it in CVS? Bah. I spit on your primitive RCS-hobbled revision control technology. Subversion for the new millennium![0] [0] This one, that is. Well, it's a lot newer than the old one, damn it! -- "It saddens me to see the nation I helped create whore itself out to manufacturers of proprietary software." -- Eamon de Valera From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 9 10:52:51 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL Message-ID: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> Been sittingo n this one long enough that I figured I'd just send it along. ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: William Knowles http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010924/od/moose_dc_1.html Monday September 24 8:33 AM ET WHITEHORSE, Yukon (Reuters) - A hunter in the northern wilds of Canada's Yukon Territory got the surprise of his life last week when the supposed bull moose he shot turned out to be not a male, nor a female, but both. ``The hunter shot it, thinking it was a bull. When he got closer, he saw that things weren't as they should have been, or as he expected,'' Rick Ward, a moose biologist for the Yukon government, said on Friday. ``It was a hermaphroditic moose. It was a female with antlers,'' said Ward, who added he had never seen anything like it in his 25 years as a biologist -- of which 15 years have been spent studying moose. ``It's very, very rare,'' he said. ``It's about the same as finding hermaphrodites in humans -- very, very low (odds).'' The vast Yukon territory, located next to Alaska, is home to about 30,000 people, an equal number of bears and twice as many moose. Hunting of male moose is permitted for three months in the autumn of every year, and those who shoot one can live on the meat of a single animal for a winter. But hunters who shoot cows face steep fines. Ward said the hunter, who called wildlife authorities after discovering the quirk of nature, was not fined. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 9 13:48:43 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] T H I N N E R Message-ID: <20011009154842.S663@tastytronic.net> Did you guys know that Clint Eastwood was the fat guy in "Thinner"? Crazy! pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 9 14:35:02 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011009143502.V21898@zork.net> I expect your resignation, in writing, on my desk by tomorrow morning. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- entropy@loopysoft.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 9 14:47:51 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: <20011009143502.V21898@zork.net> Message-ID: How the *** did Bert get into all these pro Taliban posters? He's on the poster used in the pictures from both Associated Press and Reuters. Today this picture was published in Swedish leading tabloid: http://harvard.pawlo.com/bangladesh.jpg (Bert is by the ear of you know who.) I have two theories: 1. Bert was placed there by the maker of the poster just for fun. Not very likely. This is pro Taliban country. 2. The picture of the poster was downloaded from an Evil Bert web site by mistake. More likely. 3. Crackmonkey had something to do with it. If you think this is three theories you have been mislead by the government. M From elharaty at utdallas.edu Tue Oct 9 15:21:21 2001 From: elharaty at utdallas.edu (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tourist on WTC Message-ID: I don't know if you guys have seen this but here is a photo of a tourist on the WTC just before the attacks. Likewise, here is that same tourist at the assassination of JFK, Lincoln and many other disasters. http://www.touristguy.com/ -- Emad El-Haraty A likely impossibility is always preferable to an unconvincing possibility. -- Aristotle From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 9 15:28:42 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: References: <20011009143502.V21898@zork.net> Message-ID: At 23.47 +0200 01-10-09, Mikael Pawlo wrote: >How the *** did Bert get into all these pro Taliban posters? Okay - you'd better believe it now, sir: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20011009/wl/imdf09102001085522a.html Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Oct 9 15:46:08 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: ; from mikael@pawlo.com on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 12:28:42AM +0200 References: <20011009143502.V21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011009154608.A12305@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > At 23.47 +0200 01-10-09, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > >How the *** did Bert get into all these pro Taliban posters? > > Okay - you'd better believe it now, sir: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20011009/wl/imdf09102001085522a.html it looks like whoever made the poster/collage included the picture of Usama and Bert found at the following URL: http://www.angelfire.com/de/cheatsbert/p3laden.html muwahahahahaha. -md From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Oct 9 15:59:12 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: <20011009154608.A12305@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, mike dillon wrote: > http://www.angelfire.com/de/cheatsbert/p3laden.html yeah that's one of the bert is evil evidence photos. -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 9 16:05:27 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: References: <20011009154608.A12305@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net> Quoting Sean Moffitt: > yeah that's one of the bert is evil evidence photos. So basically, it's really IN the posters -- that's absolutely hilarious! Pedro From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Oct 9 16:13:02 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net>; from pedro@tastytronic.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 06:05:27PM -0500 References: <20011009154608.A12305@lxbox3.standmed.int> <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011009161301.A12458@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Peter A. Peterson II quotation: > So basically, it's really IN the posters -- that's absolutely > hilarious! one would think that anyone capable of creating a collage, digital or pasted, would be able to cut Bert out from the left side of the source "photo". i guess this just confirms the reality that Bert is indeed EVIL. -md From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 9 16:12:20 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net> References: <20011009154608.A12305@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: At 18.05 -0500 01-10-09, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: >Quoting Sean Moffitt: >> yeah that's one of the bert is evil evidence photos. >So basically, it's really IN the posters -- that's absolutely >hilarious! Yes - it is actual footage. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 9 18:17:07 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 10:52:51AM -0700: > Ward said the hunter, who called wildlife authorities after > discovering the quirk of nature, was not fined. Quirk of nature, my ass. It's syntheitc hormones scaping into the environment, man. We are chemically castrating the _planet_. More in the sex department: apparently it takes the Navy to keep Seattle women satisfied. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134349867_bremertongirls05m.html -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 9 18:25:03 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > More in the sex department: apparently it takes the Navy to keep > Seattle women satisfied. > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134349867_bremertongirls05m.html Bremerton is Seattle like Tiburon is San Francisco. Get a clue. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 9 18:32:06 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 06:25:03PM -0700: > Bremerton is Seattle like Tiburon is San Francisco. Get a clue. It's the _Seattle_ Times, isn't it? I can't help it if there's no news in Seattle and they have to cover Bremerton and Ballard. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 9 19:17:53 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > It's the _Seattle_ Times, isn't it? I can't help it if there's no > news in Seattle and they have to cover Bremerton and Ballard. ^^^^^^^ Ha ha. Now you're just trolling. Ballard was incorporated into Seattle in the 1930s. > Thorsen, who on Wednesday night was at J.A. Michaels in Port > Orchard, where the crowd was pretty evenly divided between men and > women, said those odds might sound good to someone from Seattle, > but they're rotten for a military town. That should have been your tip. This article was about how the male-to-female ratio in places like Port Orchard is now about on par with Seattle, which happens to actually have women. I'm sure the gay community in these military towns is decimated by events like these. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 9 21:19:35 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 07:17:53PM -0700: > Ha ha. Now you're just trolling. Ballard was incorporated > into Seattle in the 1930s. Then where's the freakin' monorail? Ballard got the short end of the deal if you ask me. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 9 21:38:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Then where's the freakin' monorail? Queen Fucking Anne. Westlake Shopping Center. That's it. Not even Sir Mix-a-Lot could see a monorail from his crib. > Ballard got the short end of the deal if you ask me. Nonsense. All of the proposed light rail plans seem to include Ballard. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 9 21:40:27 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 8 October 2001] Message-ID: <20011009214027.B21898@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily IGNORANCE IS BLISS "People have a right to know what kinds of risks there are, but unfortunately terrorists are people, too." Jim Makris, emergency coordinator for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, on yanking data about chemical plants off of publicly available websites, BBC News, 5 October 2001 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1580000/1580863.stm ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 9 21:47:08 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Sonic BOOM Message-ID: <20011009214708.C21898@zork.net> So one guy on this message board claims to have heard the sonic boom when the f-16s scrambled for this. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0110090233oct09.story?coll=chi%2Dnews%2Dhed -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 9 21:49:29 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Sonic BOOM In-Reply-To: <20011009214708.C21898@zork.net> References: <20011009214708.C21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011009214929.D21898@zork.net> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0110090233oct09.story?coll=chi%2Dnews%2Dhed > During the disturbance, the pilot sent a distress signal to air > traffic controllers at O'Hare. The FAA, in turn, notified the North > American Aerospace Defense Command, which scrambled the fighter > jets as part of the combat air patrols the Pentagon ordered in the > wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. The sonic booms triggered by the > F-16s echoed throughout Chicago's northwest and north suburbs, > startling thousands. Isn't Tastytronic Industries located in the North of Chicago? Uncle Pedro, did you hear this one? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Tue Oct 9 21:51:11 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net> References: <20011009154608.A12305@lxbox3.standmed.int> <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: Peter A Peterson writes: > Quoting Sean Moffitt: >> yeah that's one of the bert is evil evidence photos. > So basically, it's really IN the posters -- that's absolutely > hilarious! If you ask me, it's creepy. Is this the point at which we begin to advance conspiracy theories about how there actually *are* no terrorists in Afghanistan, and how Osama bin Laden is a made-up figure, and all these supporters are actors, and Bert is in there because some graphic artist wanted to get the word out that it was all a farce? Or would that be premature? Someone obviously had a sense of humor though, since that head-shot of bin Laden next to Bert is the exact same photo as the *big* photo on the poster. They must have had a high-quality photo of the guy to put on a poster that big--higher quality than the doctored "Bert" one, to avoid pixellation. So it's not like Bert just sort of accidentally slipped in. From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 9 22:05:04 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Osama wears a Timex Message-ID: <20011009220504.E21898@zork.net> http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/31559.htm > The $65 timepiece is even named after a famous American event: the > Ironman Triathlon, an annual endurance event in which contestants > run, swim and bike. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 9 22:07:55 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Swiss have invaded the Czech Republic! Message-ID: <20011009220755.F21898@zork.net> http://vowe.de/download/WhereIsSwitzerland.jpg And CNN's coverage of the invasion: http://vowe.de/blogarchive.php3?archive=2001_10_01_blogarchive.html#6210633 -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 9 23:06:21 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Sonic BOOM In-Reply-To: <20011009214929.D21898@zork.net> References: <20011009214708.C21898@zork.net> <20011009214929.D21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011010010621.D29080@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > Isn't Tastytronic Industries located in the North of Chicago? > Uncle Pedro, did you hear this one? Tastytronic Industries headquarters are actually located in the "North Side" of Chicago, more accurately the Northwest Side. It's deceptive, because the "Northwest Suburbs" encapsulate an area probably about 20 minutes (in good traffic) from here. So the HQ is ok. I was in my office or asleep at the time, so I didn't hear anything, even if we could have from here. As it turns out, the guy was mentally ill and the crew were warned ahead of time that there might be some kind of outburst from him. pedro -- TASTYTRONIC INDUSTRIES, Inc. http://www.tastytronic.net/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Oct 9 23:21:37 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:45 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Monkey Master quotation: > Nonsense. All of the proposed light rail plans seem to include > Ballard. As well they should. You never know when you might need to get some lefse in a hurry. -- Cheers, "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us Rick Moen in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." rick@linuxmafia.com -- Artemus Ward (1834-67), U.S. journalist From doug at pigeonhold.com Wed Oct 10 02:32:07 2001 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > How the *** did Bert get into all these pro Taliban posters? This Al Queda steganography is less advanced that we first thought. Has anyone told Bruce Schneier? -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Oct 10 04:05:09 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > So basically, it's really IN the posters -- that's absolutely > hilarious! I have a website about sexxxxy girls with leg casts to show you. From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 06:27:07 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert's Evil Explained Message-ID: <20011010062707.H21898@zork.net> http://www.lindqvist.com/bert.php SPOOKY! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 10 06:33:52 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert's Evil Explained Message-ID: <4534320.1002720832234.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Den 10 Okt 2001 skrev Nick Moffitt: > http://www.lindqvist.com/bert.php > SPOOKY! And also: http://www.pigdog.org/auto/net_flotsam/link/2237.html I guess you morons just can't keep a secret .-) M _________________________________________________________________________ mailto:mikael@pawlo.com http://www.pawlo.com/ From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 06:43:35 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [pawal@blipp.com: Re: [Pigdog] Osbama bert Laden] Message-ID: <20011010064335.I21898@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Patrik Wallstrom ----- On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Crack Monkey wrote: > > Fair enough. But I'm still trying to figure out if it's an actual > > Pakistani news site that somehow ended up running a picture of a bin > > Laden sign with a friggin' muppet in the background. > > As Johnnie pointed out, the site is Dutch and there's no such > language as "Pakistani". > > Over on the CrackMonkey list, people have found a few > indepenent photos of these posters. It looks like the muppet was > deliberately put into the posters themselves, as it's a high-quality > blend. It's mind-boggling, and leads one to believe that we're in the > middle of Wag the Dog, and some defiant propaganda lackey got fed up > and put Bert in there to let us all know that we've been had. You should also check out the website hosting Evil Bert: http://www.fractalcow.com/index2.html With this link: http://www.lindqvist.com/bert.php Note the huge, probably edited picture with Bert missing! http://www.lindqvist.com/graphics/bert/bertfri.jpg -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Wed Oct 10 07:56:28 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: References: <20011009180527.T663@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011010095628.F29080@tastytronic.net> Quoting Eugene Leitl: > I have a website about sexxxxy girls with leg casts to show you. Cool! What's the URL? pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 10 07:59:02 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Wired Connection Message-ID: <3346346.1002725942865.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Declan sums it up: http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47450,00.html Pawal - will the server with the picture survive this? M _________________________________________________________________________ mailto:mikael@pawlo.com http://www.pawlo.com/ From neale at woozle.org Wed Oct 10 07:58:10 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [pawal@blipp.com: Re: [Pigdog] Osbama bert Laden] In-Reply-To: <20011010064335.I21898@zork.net> References: <20011010064335.I21898@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick Moffitt writes: > ----- Forwarded message from Patrik Wallstrom ----- >> Over on the CrackMonkey list, people have found a few indepenent >> photos of these posters. It looks like the muppet was deliberately >> put into the posters themselves, as it's a high-quality blend. It's >> mind-boggling, and leads one to believe that we're in the middle of >> Wag the Dog, and some defiant propaganda lackey got fed up and put >> Bert in there to let us all know that we've been had. Especially since the Osama head next to Bert is the same Osama head as is featured so prominently in the center of the poster! If some poster-making person had just thrown this all together ad hoc from web images, that larger Osama head would be highly pixelated. The high(ish) quality of the large head leads one to believe that two separate images were used, each having the exact same picture of Osama's head. The obvious conclusion then--or at least, the only one I can logically draw--is that Bert was deliberately added by whomever created the poster. Neale From pawal at blipp.com Wed Oct 10 08:01:03 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Wired Connection In-Reply-To: <3346346.1002725942865.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > Declan sums it up: > http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47450,00.html > > Pawal - will the server with the picture survive this? I certainly hope so! 1Mbit connections is perhaps the big bottleneck ofcourse. Which means I can't read my mail later on, or something. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 10 08:11:20 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Wired Connection In-Reply-To: <3346346.1002725942865.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> References: <3346346.1002725942865.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: <20011010081120.J21898@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > Declan sums it up: > http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47450,00.html HAHAHA: > A closer scrutiny of one of the photos reveals a second apparent > faux pas on the part of the radical Islamic protesters: Another > clip art photo of bin Laden used in the photograph seems to show him > with a bottle of Jack Daniels. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Wed Oct 10 08:14:56 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Wired Connection In-Reply-To: <20011010081120.J21898@zork.net> References: <3346346.1002725942865.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> <20011010081120.J21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011010101456.G29080@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > > http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47450,00.html > > HAHAHA: > > A closer scrutiny of one of the photos reveals a second apparent > > faux pas on the part of the radical Islamic protesters: Another > > clip art photo of bin Laden used in the photograph seems to show him > > with a bottle of Jack Daniels. Sorry. Check out the lindqvist.php.edu.se site at: http://www.lindqvist.com/bert.php And scroll way down to the bottom. It just doesn't really look like a whiskey bottle. I mean, it sort of does, but only enough to make you wish that it REALLY did. And if it was a whisky bottle, Bin Laden would be holding it way down at the bottom, which is kind of weird. pedro From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 10 09:02:44 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Chickened out Message-ID: <6556142.1002729764728.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> So the Bangladesh picture previously at http://harvard.pawlo.com/bangladesh.jpg is no more. I chickened out. Pock-pock-pock. The aliens made me do it. The picture can still be obtained from: http://www.lindqvist.com/ M From pawal at blipp.com Wed Oct 10 09:03:06 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Chickened out In-Reply-To: <6556142.1002729764728.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > > So the Bangladesh picture previously at > http://harvard.pawlo.com/bangladesh.jpg > is no more. > > I chickened out. > > Pock-pock-pock. > > The aliens made me do it. > > The picture can still be obtained from: > http://www.lindqvist.com/ I bet you don't even have a region free DVD player! -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 10 09:10:32 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Chickened out Message-ID: <3550501.1002730232075.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Den 10 Okt 2001 skrev Patrik Wallstrom: > > I chickened out. > I bet you don't even have a region free DVD player! Please remember that these discussions are archived and available to the public scrutiny. White collar employees get away with just about anything as long as they refrain from submitting their actions to Crackmonkey. Regards Mikael From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 10 09:12:26 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Chickened out Message-ID: <6151134.1002730346150.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Den 10 Okt 2001 skrev Peter Lowe: > > I chickened out. > why? because of the bandwidth, or were you afraid that >bin laden would > come get you? Actually, I am more scared of the Reuters copyright police. M From greg at kroah.com Wed Oct 10 09:18:07 2001 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: More on Sesame Street's Bert appearing at a pro-bin Laden rally] Message-ID: <20011010091806.A7235@kroah.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:07:29 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh To: politech@politechbot.com Subject: FC: More on Sesame Street's Bert appearing at a pro-bin Laden rally I finally got through to the right person at Reuters, and I've updated the story to say: >An editor at Reuters' photo desk in Washington confirmed that the >maize-colored muppet did appear in the photograph. "It is in the original >image, though I couldn't say how it got there. It wasn't hacked," the >editor said. Previous Politech message: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02635.html -Declan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 10:01:08 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011010100108.K21898@zork.net> You are an untalented half-wit, and your lack of originality will earn you only scorn and derision. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- jope-crackmonkey@demonmonkey.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 10:04:44 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Desert Fashions.] Message-ID: <20011010100444.L21898@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: William Knowles http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001350004-2001352098,00.html WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 10 2001 FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN WASHINGTON WHEN you find yourself hiding from the worlds most powerful military machine there is only one solution: dress like them. The videotape of Osama bin Laden calling upon Muslims to wage holy war against America caused many in the military to sit up even before his inflammatory words had been translated for he was clearly wearing the camouflage jacket of a standard US Battle Dress Uniform (BDU). Like many who are serious about their running, he also appeared to be sporting an Ironman Triathlon watch, manufactured by the American company Timex. The cammies were spotted by Major Gabe Patricio, who is overseeing a switch by the Marines to a slightly different design of uniform. The fatigues bin Laden were wearing have been issued to troops in the US Army, Navy and Air Force for two decades. It looks like one of our field jackets, Major Patricio said. Id be shocked if it wasnt ours. The fugitive leader may have been trying to send some sort of mocking message to the Western forces, but was more likely wearing the most practical kit at his disposal. Joe Wightman, the owner of Army Navy Depot, a military surplus store in Jacksonville, Florida, said that he and other retailers often ship large quantities of uniforms to Asia and elsewhere. He suggested that bin Ladens uniform may have been left over from his days fighting for the US-backed Mujahidin or could just as easily have been picked up in Central Asia. Mr Wightman said that the clothing was very comfortable but questioned bin Ladens choice of colour. I dont know why he would want to run around in green in the desert. Thats a bad choice, he said. Bin Ladens watch was identified by the New York Post, which asked: If Osama bin Laden hates America so much, why the heck does he appear to be wearing a watch made in the USA? The arrogant terror chief apparently isnt so disgusted by our country that he refuses to parade around with one of its best-known products. According to the Timex website the Ironman Triathlon watch is ideal for those racing to outpace the opposition over the most rugged terrain. It was named after the famed annual endurance event in Hawaii. The watches are full of features to monitor training. But it could not be determined if bin Laden was wearing a chest strap, which is intended to support your active life by monitoring heart rate. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 11:07:23 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: [Pigdog] The Bert Conspiracy theory] Message-ID: <20011010110723.O21898@zork.net> Proof! ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- Found this in a Usenet post from 1999. I'll paste the last two paragraphs first, then the rest.. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Finally, the exclamation point on my rantings. I made a statement that the man known as "Osama Bin Laden" is actually not an Afgani, but a puerto rican man who is an actor, and also pulled some religious stuff in the past.... well, almost 9 years ago, Osama Bin Laden apeard on TV. Thats right, on american TV. In a children's special no less. In fact it was aired on PBS (National network TV mind you)!!!! He never mentioned anything about Islam, nor being an arab. What show was this? It was a SESAME STREET SPECIAL! It was a show separate from the regular television show. It went something along the lines of Ernie getting lost, and bert doing detective work to find him. Sounds absurd right? Well Osama Bin Laden was on this sesame street special (which I think was titled something like "Sesame Street Caper" Earnie's missing"). I know you may not believe me, but I have PROOF! Call up PBS, try to get a tape of the episode. I'm not sure when it aired, or the exact title...... anyway, here's my proof.... look at this photo a friend sent me.... http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/5142/pictures/bertosama.jpg It's a picture of Osama on the set with Bert! What the hell are muppets doing in the same room with Osama Bin Laden?!?!? Was Jim Henson a terrorist too? Well Bin Laden wasn't called "Osama Bin Laden" he was called "The Devine one" and supposedly had psychic powers.... he muttered some hindu/buddhist mantra, and helped bert find ernie (sounds strange for a fundamentalist muslim fanatic to do). Unfortunately DejaNews does not allow us to post pictures, so I can only give you the URL.... here it is again http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/5142/pictures/bertosama.jpg =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From: combatart@hotmail.com (combatart@hotmail.com) Subject: Osama Bin Laden is a Fraud! Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan, soc.culture.arabic, soc.culture.islam, soc.culture.usa Date: 1999/01/31 Brothers and sisters. I would to like to let you know now that Osama Bin Laden is a fraud, a creation of crooked media! This post is directed ESPECIALLY at muslims, and arabs. You are the target here. Osama Bin Laden is not from Afganistan! As a matter of fact, he's not even arabic! Not only that, he's not even a Muslim! and to top it off, the man who's picture is plastered all over the media is not even named "Osama Bin Laden"! This is a hoax! Hear me out, then you'll understand where I'm coming from..... First I want you all to think back to the times of the cold war. From the 1950's all the way to the late 1980's, the media hyped up a possible showdown between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Everyone was in fear of the communists. This was a hoax. After the U.S.S.R. crumbled, we were able, by the way of documentaries, to get a chance to see what the Soviet military was like throughout that whole period. It is clear now, that had war broken out between the two super powers, the U.S. would have anihilated the U.S.S.R. So if the Soviets weren't so tough, why did the media hype up the war so much? It's because the media is in the pocket of CROOKED members of the Industrial Military Complex. If everyone was afraid of the Soviets, the government could justify a MASSIVE military budget. Okay, the Soviet Union has crumbled, but the Military budget CONTINUES TO GROW! There was an article in New York magazine about this titled "The Real Presidential Scandal". It mentioned how that the media was all over the Monica Lewinsky debacle (jokingly labled "tale-gate"), while other issues were never mentioned. President Clinton recently passed a bill that will raise the military budget 1.8 billion dollars every year for the next 6 years! Why do we need to raise the military budget when we have no enemies?!?!?!? How come the majority of the mainstream media never mentioned this? How come it missed that, but keeps giving us news on our "enemy" Iraq? Iraq is not a threat to us! Iraq is a third world country we already defeated in a war that barely lasted a week. Communism is dead, but we have a new enemy: Arabs! Muslims! The media is whipping up an INCREDIBLE amount of anti-arab, and anti-muslim sentiment. Just pick up a New York times, there'll be several stories about some arab who commited a crime in some third world country. People are dying all over the world, but all we hear about is the arabs? Why the arabs? The nation of Burma is under MARTIAL LAW and is on the brink of civil war, but the media never mentions this. Arabs and muslims are on the news all the time though! This is to justify a HUGE military budget. This is done so that when people ask "Why are you giving more money to the military, and less to our schools?" the government can reply, "we need to spen $30 trillion a year on military. We have to kill these arabs before they kill us!" Now before I close this, let me make my point about Osama Bin Laden. This is a big hoax. First off, I demand, beg, and recomend people by the latest issue of Esquire magazine (it has Pamela Anderson on the cover) Inside is an article on Osama Bin Laden. Look closely at the picture on the opening page of the article. It's a huge black and white picture of Osama Bin Laden. The picture had been air brushed, or at least certain parts have. The turban is a photograph, but if you look at his beard, it's been painted with an airbrush, and so has his lips, nose, and eyes. Why? Why do they need to edit Osama Bin Laden's face? If you look closely at the picture, you can see that his face was painted.... if you look at his forehead, you can see the border where his face is painted, and where the photo begins.... buy that magazine, and see for yourself. Finally, who is Osama Bin Laden? Or should I ask, who is this guy the media is passing off as him if he's not real. The man is not Afgani, or arabic, or even a muslim. He's a man from Puerto Rico, who tried to start some Hindu/buddhist cult type thing. The guy pulls all kinds of scams. He's Puerto Rican. He makes his money as an actor, and HAS apeared on TV before! I don't know his real name, but he's apeared on TV under several names, such as "The devine one" and more recently "Osama Bin Laden". Think about it, before the bombings of U.S. Embasies in Africa, nobody heard of him, but the CIA said they had their eye on this Afgani millionaire for over 20 years. They've known about him for 20 years, yet nobody mentioned him?!?!? Even muslims, arabs, and afganis have never heard of him prior to the U.S. Embasy bombings! How could such a major player be unseen for 20 years? The media CLAIMS he is now connected to the World Trade Center bombing, the U.S. embassy bombings, terrorist action in Somalia, Albania, and even a plot ot kill President Clinton durring his trip to the philipines..... but somehow, nobody ever heard of him. The media claims he has been recruiting muslims for his own personally funded jihad for over 20 years now, yet no muslim or arab had head of him prior to the U.S. embassy bombings. In fact, if he's been recruiting for so long, how come the only information muslims and arabs have on him comes from the media only? Shouldn't they have heard about him from another brother? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The post received one follow-up... From: Martin Goldstein (margolds@coqui.net) Subject: Re: Osama Bin Laden is a Fraud! Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan, soc.culture.arabic, soc.culture.islam, soc.culture.usa Date: 1999/02/01 If what you say is true, the "imposter" is playing a dangerous game - he could be KILLED! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Wed Oct 10 11:40:46 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: [Pigdog] The Bert Conspiracy theory] In-Reply-To: <20011010110723.O21898@zork.net> References: <20011010110723.O21898@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick Moffitt writes: > Proof! > http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/5142/pictures/bertosama.jpg That guy has a lot of really interesting stuff on his web page. A little rooting around reveals: o He's a vegan and he's into boxing o He's got some wacky pictures of "Alien Heiroglyphics" What is that in there, a helicopter? What are those other things, UFOs? (Tilting your head 90 degrees counterclockwise helps make sense of it.) Aw, shucks, goecities took his site down from overload. Well suffice to say, interesting chap. From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 11:46:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [egad@dasbistro.com: [Dasbanter] Fwd: Military-Entertainment Complex Alive and Well] Message-ID: <20011010114634.R21898@zork.net> Hooray for MacGyver! Richard Dean Anderson will save us! ----- Forwarded message from Bruce Sterling ----- Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:27:13 -0500 Subject: Military-Entertainment Complex Alive and Well From: Bruce Sterling To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net It's the Analog Mujihadeen Version of Digital Special Effects -- bruces http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20011008/en/people-terrorists_1.html Monday October 8 2:34 AM ET Feds enlist Hollywood for spook theories By Claude Brodesser HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - In a reversal of roles, government intelligence specialists have been secretly soliciting terrorist scenarios from top Hollywood filmmakers and writers. An ad hoc working group convened at the University of Southern California just last week at the behest of the U.S. Army. The goal was to brainstorm about possible terrorist targets and schemes in America and to offer solutions to those threats, in light of the aerial assaults on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. Among those in the working group based at USC's Institute for Creative Technology (ICT) are those with obvious connections to the terrorist pic milieu, like ``Die Hard'' screenwriter Steven E. De Souza, TV writer David Engelbach (``MacGyver'') and helmer Joseph Zito, who directed the features ``Delta Force One,'' ``Missing in Action'' and ``The Abduction.'' But the list also includes more mainstream suspense helmers like David Fincher (``Fight Club''), Spike Jonze (``Being John Malkovich''), Randal Kleiser (``Grease'') and Mary Lambert (``The In Crowd'') as well as feature screenwriters Paul De Meo and Danny Bilson (``The Rocketeer''). In August 1999, the Army awarded USC a five-year contract to create the Institute for Creative Technologies with a mandate to enlist the resources and talents of the entertainment industry, videogame-makers and computer scientists to advance the state of ``immersive,'' or virtual reality, training simulation for soldiers. The entertainment industry brings a certain expertise in story and character, as well as visual effects and production know-how to the table. But one USC insider describes the ad hoc group as focused ``on the short-term threats against the country'' and said that Army Brig. Gen. Kenneth Bergquist had been heading the effort, which has met twice already via teleconference with the Pentagon. ICT creative director James Korris confirmed that the filmmaker meetings were ongoing with the Army but declined to elaborate as to what specific recommendations had been made to the Pentagon. A call to the Army's office of public affairs seeking comment from Gen. Bergquist was not returned as of late Sunday. Reuters/Variety REUTERS # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 11:48:01 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [egad@dasbistro.com: [Dasbanter] Ass Bra] Message-ID: <20011010114801.S21898@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Egad ----- All the support your ass needs. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/011010/80/c8igm.html -- |(o)(0) E http://www.dasbistro.com/egad HB | > G egad@dasbistro.com SRB | (~) A Histogram Valley, Nevada DD +-------D------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ dasbanter mailing list dasbanter@dasbistro.com http://www.dasbistro.com/mailman/listinfo/dasbanter ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 10 14:10:19 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [roby@mediaone.net: [barfback] Jake Busey] Message-ID: <20011010141019.T21898@zork.net> yaay for pigdog mailbag! ----- Forwarded message from roby ----- Little do people know that one day the Busey Clan will rise up and dominate the earth. Peaople talk about The Appocalyps or the coming of Jesus, but The Buseys will make those things seem like drops in the bucket of time. All hail to the powerfull Busey vortex!!!!! ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Oct 10 14:31:22 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [roby@mediaone.net: [barfback] Jake Busey] In-Reply-To: <20011010141019.T21898@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > yaay for pigdog mailbag! Look at how many gifs pigdog.org is spreading: Listing extensions with at least 0.1% of the traffic, sorted by the amount of traffic. #reqs: %bytes: extension ------: ------: --------- 88572: 29.41%: .jpg [JPEG graphics] 55470: 17.81%: .rdf 10560: 15.67%: [directories] 44957: 15.33%: .html [Hypertext Markup Language] 164563: 13.42%: .gif [GIF graphics] 32856: 4.08%: .png [PNG graphics] 8: 2.46%: .rm 727: 0.47%: .zip [Zip archives] 16905: 0.43%: .css 36: 0.39%: .pdf [Adobe Portable Document Format] 1011: 0.27%: .txt [Plain text] 689: 0.27%: [not listed: 13 extensions] -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 10 14:33:23 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Lordy! Message-ID: What kind of word is "lordy"? Ivil Mike .-) >X-Sender: declan@mail.well.com >Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:36:25 -0400 >To: Mikael Pawlo >From: Declan McCullagh >Subject: Re: Bert is all over the place >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Lordy. You may be right! > >At 12:23 AM 10/10/01 +0200, you wrote: >>At 17.56 -0400 01-10-09, Declan McCullagh wrote: >> >Seems like a pretty good hoax, don't you think? If you send me a URL to a >> >photo on an English-language news site, I'll change my mind... >> >>Okay - you'd better believe it now, sir: >>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20011009/wl/imdf09102001085522a.html >> >>Mikael >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >> >> ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com >> +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Oct 10 18:50:10 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mr. Hooper loses a customer to International Terrorism Message-ID: <20011011115010.I1658@perkypants.org> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,36218,00.html "Of course, the other explanation might be that Bert has finally ditched Ernie, canceled his account at Mr. Hooper's shop and taken his Kalashnikov to the other side of the war." - Jeff -- GDK (acronym): GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Tool-Kit Drawing-Kit. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Oct 10 20:34:00 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Osama wears a Timex In-Reply-To: <20011009220504.E21898@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 01:05:04 -0400 References: <20011009220504.E21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011010233400.G29642@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Clearly the import and export of Timex Watches need to be controlled Ruben _________________ On 2001.10.10 01:05:04 -0400 Nick Moffitt wrote: http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/31559.htm > The $65 timepiece is even named after a famous American event: the > Ironman Triathlon, an annual endurance event in which contestants > run, swim and bike. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From rob at myinternetplace.net Wed Oct 10 21:11:59 2001 From: rob at myinternetplace.net (Rob Walker) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mr. Hooper loses a customer to International Terrorism In-Reply-To: <20011011115010.I1658@perkypants.org> References: <20011011115010.I1658@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <15301.7183.582360.223834@spurs.myinternetplace.net> >>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:50:10 +1000, Jeff Waugh >>>>> said: Jeff> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,36218,00.html Jeff> "Of course, the other explanation might be that Bert has finally Jeff> ditched Ernie, canceled his account at Mr. Hooper's shop and Jeff> taken his Kalashnikov to the other side of the war." Bert _can't_ close out that account. He would have to pay it off first. The only way he could afford to do that would be to sell arms.... rob From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 10 22:09:42 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Last meeting Message-ID: <20011010220942.C17369@zgp.org> ----- Forwarded message from jim@valinux.com ----- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: jim@valinux.com Subject: [nylug-announce] [nylug-talk] (fwd) Oct. 11 Thursday OS/2 User Group Meeting (becoming DELUGE) RSVP required (fwd) To: nylug-announce@nylug.org Sender: owner-nylug-announce@barley.electriclichen.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:19:46 -0400 From: Ruth Shanen To: nylug-talk@nylug.org Subject: [nylug-talk] (fwd) Oct. 11 Thursday OS/2 User Group Meeting (becoming DELUGE) RSVP required DO NOT HIT REPLY-TO !! >On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:42:30 Mark Halegua wrote: >>Ruth, Yes, please put it up on nylug-talk. >> I'll make up a late list if necessary. >> Mark >>On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 02:36:34 "Mark S. Halegua" wrote: Hello OS/2 Users, and former users. This Thursday, Oct. 11 at 6:30 PM the New York OS/2 Users Group will have its penultimate meeting before transitioning entirely to a Linux desktop users group (DeLUGE). The meeting will take place at 590 Madison Avenue, on the South West corner of Madision Street and 57th Street The topic this month is actually NEW SOFTWARE for OS/2!! Yes, I said NEW SOFTWARE FOR OS/2!! I will talk about WarpIn - a graphical program installer for OS/2) Opera - another web browser which is cross platform and exists for OS/2 Another product if I can get enough time to work with it. **** (Please read the security note below.) **** This is also a notice regarding the FINAL meeting of the NY OS/2 users group, to wit: We are looking to have a blowout party/wake for the group. As such, all user group members are invited. We expect to have food and some OS/2 stuff to give away. Before we can do this, we need to know how many people will attend the last meeting on December 13, 2001, 6:30 PM. SO, PLEASE RSVP YOUR ATTENDANCE AT THIS FINAL OS/2 MEETING! :-) There is another reason to RSVP me for both meetings: the recent events at downtown Manhattan have caused IBM to consider additional security regarding people they don't know to enter the building and their floors in the building. As such, I need to submit a list of people who want to attend the meetings. When you enter the building, you will be asked for an ID with a picture. The security people will look at the ID, and your picture on it, and associate it with a name on the list. If you name isn't on the list, you won't be allowed up. If your ID shows a name on the list, but the picture doesn't match to your face, you won't be allowed up. So, please bring full picture ID (most drivers licenses have name and picture on them) and send me your name so I may submit it to IBM. I must have this information by Wednesday, 10 AM. [note: Mark will make a late list, so email him now and ask him for confirmation. -rds] Thank you, and I hope to see you at the meeting Thursday. Mark former Chair - NY OS/2 Users Group (soon to become DELUGE) email your RSVP to: phantom21@mindspring.com ( NOT to the forwarder of this message ) --------------------------------------------------------------- I'd rather be Warped Thank windozed! Better to have Warped and lost than to never have Warped at all!! --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 11 10:44:49 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: Me & Bert] Message-ID: <20011011104449.W21898@zork.net> More Bert scoopage. ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- http://alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11687 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 11:02:43 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mr. Hooper loses a customer to International Terrorism In-Reply-To: <15301.7183.582360.223834@spurs.myinternetplace.net> References: <20011011115010.I1658@perkypants.org> <15301.7183.582360.223834@spurs.myinternetplace.net> Message-ID: <20011011110243.X21898@zork.net> begin Rob Walker quotation: > Jeff> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,36218,00.html > Jeff> "Of course, the other explanation might be that Bert has finally > Jeff> ditched Ernie, canceled his account at Mr. Hooper's shop and > Jeff> taken his Kalashnikov to the other side of the war." > > Bert _can't_ close out that account. He would have to pay it off > first. The only way he could afford to do that would be to > sell arms.... I hate to break it to you, but Mr. Hooper died on a Very Special Sesame Street. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 11:06:18 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: Me & Bert] In-Reply-To: <20011011104449.W21898@zork.net> References: <20011011104449.W21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011110618.Y21898@zork.net> http://alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11687 : > David Cassel is a freelance writer living in Oakland. He is > currently writing a book about internet hoaxes. [AlterNet] Keeeeen! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 11 11:18:35 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Mr. Hooper loses a customer to International Terrorism In-Reply-To: <20011011110243.X21898@zork.net> References: <20011011115010.I1658@perkypants.org> <15301.7183.582360.223834@spurs.myinternetplace.net> <20011011110243.X21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011131835.X29080@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > I hate to break it to you, but Mr. Hooper died on a Very > Special Sesame Street. What's weird about that, is that I know I saw that episode, but I can only remember Mr. Hooper dying in a tragic surfing accident. Like, I have VISUAL memories of Mr. Hooper going up on this big wave and never coming back. The funniest part here is that I'm totally serious. pedro From zen at zork.net Thu Oct 11 11:38:17 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google, Becker, Spock: a Big, Gold String Message-ID: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> So I'm searching through Google for images of Matlock eating a hotdog when I come across this: http://www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com/gallery02.html Sadly, nobody who looks like Kenny Rogers ever seems to be eating a hotdog. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From digdude at cdk.com Thu Oct 11 11:49:55 2001 From: digdude at cdk.com (David Kaiser) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google, Becker, Spock: a Big, Gold String In-Reply-To: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> References: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011114955.A17171@david.cdk.com> On 11Oct2001 11:38AM (-0700), George Moffitt wrote: > http://www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com/gallery02.html Mr. "A. MICHAEL ASHLEY" looks an awful lot like Bill Clinton sporting a grey beard. So, I of course googled for "Bill Clinton" eating "hot dog" and found this... http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20000829regcol.asp "But, tell me, who is the great authority on hot dogs in America, the Burke's Peerage of Wieners? Is that Mr. Bill Clinton, the Sausage Commander in Chief?" -- dkaiser@cdk.com From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 11:51:56 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google, Becker, Spock: a Big, Gold String In-Reply-To: <20011011114955.A17171@david.cdk.com> References: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> <20011011114955.A17171@david.cdk.com> Message-ID: <20011011115155.Z21898@zork.net> begin David Kaiser quotation: > http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20000829regcol.asp > > "But, tell me, who is the great authority on hot dogs in America, the > Burke's Peerage of Wieners? Is that Mr. Bill Clinton, the Sausage > Commander in Chief?" HTTP/1.1 Server Too Busy -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 11 11:55:31 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Theo DeRaadt vs DJB. Content vs. Form Message-ID: <20011011115530.A21898@zork.net> http://www.sigmasoft.com/~openbsd/archive/openbsd-ports/200108/msg00507.html EVEN THE SINGER FROM BOW-WOW-WOW CAN'T MAKE UP HER MIND. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Thu Oct 11 13:52:22 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google i18n Message-ID: In the spirit of the Svedish Chef, google brings you http://www.google.com/intl/xx-elmer/ -------------------- Google [ ] Wadvwanced [Google Sewch, uh-hah-hah-hah][I'm Feewing Wucky] Pwefewences All Abwout Gwoogle - Sewch Tips, uh-hah-hah-hah - Google in English -------------------- (Garnered from a chatter list at work. Bork bork bork!) From erin at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 11 16:34:07 2001 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google, Becker, Spock: a Big, Gold String In-Reply-To: <20011011115155.Z21898@zork.net> References: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> <20011011114955.A17171@david.cdk.com> <20011011115155.Z21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011163407.A22145@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 11:51:56AM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > begin David Kaiser quotation: > > http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20000829regcol.asp > > > > "But, tell me, who is the great authority on hot dogs in America, the > > Burke's Peerage of Wieners? Is that Mr. Bill Clinton, the Sausage > > Commander in Chief?" > > HTTP/1.1 Server Too Busy > haha we crackmonkeydotted that server From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 17:46:22 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google, Becker, Spock: a Big, Gold String In-Reply-To: <20011011163407.A22145@dasbistro.com> References: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> <20011011114955.A17171@david.cdk.com> <20011011115155.Z21898@zork.net> <20011011163407.A22145@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011011174622.D21898@zork.net> begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > haha we crackmonkeydotted that server This list has under 300 subscribers. I sincerely doubt that could happen. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Thu Oct 11 17:56:18 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google, Becker, Spock: a Big, Gold String In-Reply-To: <20011011174622.D21898@zork.net> References: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> <20011011114955.A17171@david.cdk.com> <20011011115155.Z21898@zork.net> <20011011163407.A22145@dasbistro.com> <20011011174622.D21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012105618.C1658@perkypants.org> > This list has under 300 subscribers. I sincerely doubt that > could happen. Oh, it's Mr. Serious Monkey today. - Jeff -- "They cosset us with trappings to shut us up. That way when we say 'sharecropper!' you can point to my free suit and say 'Shut up pop star.'" - Courtney Love From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 11 17:52:23 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] programming Message-ID: <20011011175223.E21898@zork.net> Big-company software development is in many ways a lot like a good extended solid drunk. It all begins with grins and laughter and free rounds for everybody. The four-beer tongues fly loose and lecherous, and everyone's got big crazy plans that seem like easy money to everyone in the joint. After a while, the punks turn angry, and the sugars spurn them to take offense at every little quip and turn. Nobody likes a mean drunk, so the place divides up into gangs, and the turf battles begin. It's at about this stage that the latecomers show up. Alfred Brooks theorized that adding more programmers to a late project makes it later. He said it was because getting one new developer up to speed took away an experienced one. I say it's because all these stragglers get into clumsy fistfights with the bastards who dumped all the work on 'em. They spend the first few beers getting caught up with the rabble, but after that they are consumed with hate. "Look what those fuckers dumped on me! How can you expect me to play nice with this bunch of pricks?" As the deadline grows near, things enter the maudlin stage. The sugars are all burned off, and there doesn't seem to be much hope past closing time, which is getting closer by the minute. It's at about this point that the pasty vassals who were hired to keep you in line offer their sympathetic ear. "Just bring that up at the next status meeting, and I'm sure it'll be resolved," they murmur soothingly as they polish a glass with a dishtowel. "I'm sure QA will be able to handle it." But closing time does eventually come. And those selfsame vassals, silently ordered by a knowing nod from the manager, will just chuck all this human waste out onto the chewing gum, urine, and motor oil like so many winos. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 17:52:39 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google, Becker, Spock: a Big, Gold String In-Reply-To: <20011012105618.C1658@perkypants.org> References: <20011011113817.A11798@zork.net> <20011011114955.A17171@david.cdk.com> <20011011115155.Z21898@zork.net> <20011011163407.A22145@dasbistro.com> <20011011174622.D21898@zork.net> <20011012105618.C1658@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011011175239.F21898@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > Oh, it's Mr. Serious Monkey today. Get the fuck off my list. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 11 17:55:02 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] pr0n bomb Message-ID: <20011011175502.G21898@zork.net> http://www.pornbomb.org/ You've all heard the bit about the Nazi propaganda bombs, right? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dsaklad at gnu.org Thu Oct 11 21:10:33 2001 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Scathing and of interest from the archives Message-ID: --text follows this line-- Via http://www.topica.com/lists/libraryunderground/read/message.html?mid=1708568544&sort=d&start=648 http://www.topica.com/lists/libraryunderground/read By Rory Litwin This was something really scathing that I found on usenet. I thought it would be really cruel to use it in library juice without getting Don's permission first, so I wrote him. he granted me permission to use it. It went into Library Juice 1:20 - May 27, 1998, which can be read on the web at http://www.libr.org/Juice/issues/vol1/LJ_20.html . http://www.topica.com/lists/libraryunderground/read/message.html?mid=1708568544&sort=d&start=648 http://www.topica.com/lists/libraryunderground/read ________________________________________________ Guide to Problematical Boston Public Library Use http://saklad.org From schoen at loyalty.org Thu Oct 11 21:26:49 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] USA Act Message-ID: <20011011212649.B7276@zork.net> According to Stanton, the Senate just passed the USA Act. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 11 21:47:57 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:46 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:21:37PM -0700: > begin Monkey Master quotation: > > > Nonsense. All of the proposed light rail plans seem to include > > Ballard. > > As well they should. You never know when you might need to get some > lefse in a hurry. Light rail is not "hurry." Light rail has to stop at the same lights cars do, plus passenger stops. It's little better than a bus on rails. At least electric buses can provide pizza delivery power too. (But you have to jump on or you'll get a powerful shock to the crotch.) Monorail on the other hand would provide rapid downtown-Ballard service http://monorail.org/map.html and is only being suppressed on a technicality by the Conspiracy. http://monorail.org/curevents.html Monorail is the _safest_ form of transportation in the world. http://monorail.org/faq.html -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From carlos at laviola.org Thu Oct 11 20:36:03 2001 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Google i18n In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011012003603.A2393@ajato.com.br> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 01:52:22PM -0700, Neale Pickett wrote: > In the spirit of the Svedish Chef, google brings you > > http://www.google.com/intl/xx-elmer/ Google _______________________________________________________ Google 534R(H EyE Am ph33|1n6 |u(ky 4DV4NC3D 534RC|-| PR3F3R3N(3Z 411 4b0u7 g00g13 - 534R(h H4(K5 - Google in English mUCH b3++3r, d00d. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ Who controls the past, controls the future. (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Who controls the present, controls the past. http://laviola.org icq #981913 -- George Orwell, "1984" From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 22:45:07 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Light rail is not "hurry." Light rail has to stop at the same > lights cars do, plus passenger stops. It's little better than a > bus on rails. You seem to be horribly confused. Light rail is any railway system that is sufficiently un-heavy. It's used to contrast systems that are used for carrying relatively low-mass payloads of commuters with systems that are designed for carrying densely-packed beef or copper. > Monorail on the other hand would provide rapid downtown-Ballard > service http://monorail.org/map.html > > and is only being suppressed on a technicality by the Conspiracy. > http://monorail.org/curevents.html > > Monorail is the _safest_ form of transportation in the world. > http://monorail.org/faq.html Monorails have some minor advantages over elevated light rail, but the safety systems currently in place in standard light rail systems make the latter an all-around better choice. Lots of these systems would have to be redesigned for monorails. Monorails are the same old technology implemented poorly. Which is a pity, since that alweg system is pretty smooth, and has lasted a long time (with rather light ridership, though). -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 22:46:13 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] USA Act In-Reply-To: <20011011212649.B7276@zork.net> References: <20011011212649.B7276@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011224613.J21898@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > According to Stanton, the Senate just passed the USA Act. I know. Let's start a bill called "the cute puppies and helpless children act" and add a rider to make Ashcroft change his name to Asscrotch. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 22:48:04 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011224804.K21898@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > Light rail is not "hurry." Light rail has to stop at the same > > lights cars do, plus passenger stops. It's little better than a > > bus on rails. > > You seem to be horribly confused. Light rail is any railway > system that is sufficiently un-heavy. It's used to contrast systems > that are used for carrying relatively low-mass payloads of commuters > with systems that are designed for carrying densely-packed beef or > copper. This is the definition that lightrail.com uses: > An electric railway system, constructed in the 1970s or later , > characterized by its ability to operate single or multiple car > consists (trains) along exclusive rights-of-way at ground level, > on aerial structures, in subways or in streets, able to board > and discharge passengers at station platforms or at street, > track, or car-floor level and normally powered by overhead > electrical wires. So being a surface tram has NOTHING to do with being "light rail". Having to stop at streetlights is a lack of grade separation, and has nothing to do with the weight of a system. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Oct 11 22:55:24 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Theo DeRaadt vs DJB. Content vs. Form In-Reply-To: <20011011115530.A21898@zork.net> References: <20011011115530.A21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011225524.A2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.sigmasoft.com/~openbsd/archive/openbsd-ports/200108/msg00507.html > > EVEN THE SINGER FROM BOW-WOW-WOW CAN'T MAKE UP HER MIND. Funny how often Theo, as unpopular as he is, has tended to be absolutely right, lately. -- Cheers, A host is a host, from coast to coast. Rick Moen And nobody talks to a host that's close, rick@linuxmafia.com Unless the host that isn't close is busy, hung, or dead. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 22:56:07 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011011224804.K21898@zork.net> References: <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011011224804.K21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011225606.L21898@zork.net> others from http://www.lightrail.com/definition.htm > APTA Glossary of Transit Terminology definition: > "An electric railway with a "light volume" traffic capacity > compared to heavy rail. Light rail may use shared or exclusive > rights-of-way, high or low platform loading and multi-car trains > or single cars. Also known as streetcar, trolley car or tramway. > Transportation Research Board definition: > Light rail transit is a metropolitan electric railway system > characterized by its ability to operate single cars or short > trains along exclusive rights-of-way at ground level, on aerial > structures, in subways or, occasionally, in streets, and to > board and discharge passengers at track or car-floor level. > Some other definitions and thoughts submitted: > > * Light Rail is the child of a streetcar mother and a rapid > transit father. It is a nephew to an interurban line, a cousin > to commuter rail, and a step-brother to a bus.. (Jim Seamon - > St. Louis Mo.) > * "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it!" Again, nothing in "light rail" specifies that one must operate at grade and suffer the penalties of the automobile. That pain is usually reserved for bicyclists. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 11 22:57:59 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Theo DeRaadt vs DJB. Content vs. Form In-Reply-To: <20011011225524.A2545@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011011115530.A21898@zork.net> <20011011225524.A2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011011225759.M21898@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > > http://www.sigmasoft.com/~openbsd/archive/openbsd-ports/200108/msg00507.html > Funny how often Theo, as unpopular as he is, has tended to be > absolutely right, lately. JUST WHEN YOU THINK IT'S FINISHED WITH DJB ON TOP THEO'S FLAMES, LIKE A PHOENIX FLY RIGHT UP THE CHARTS -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Oct 11 22:57:44 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Time Flys Bye Message-ID: <20011012015744.A7468@www2.mrbrklyn.com> After 31 days after the WTC attack, I'm still so fustrated and sad over the destruction of the towers. We passed by them again tonite, and I was looking at my video of the collapse on http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/wtc/ , and it's just so depressing. Then add into the background this crackdown of civil rights and minimal effort to really correct the problems which lead to the hijackings, or forceful military response,...it rips my heart out.... It took two hours this week to cross the Whitestone Bridge. I doubt NY can survive economically under this condition long. I really don't think folks out there understand how painful this has been on NYers. You still smell smoke clear across the River. Nearly everyone seems to be getting ill from it with uper respretory track trouble, and general fatigue. Ruben -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From erin at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 11 23:04:31 2001 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] programming In-Reply-To: <20011011175223.E21898@zork.net> References: <20011011175223.E21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011011230431.A29110@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 05:52:23PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > closing time What's closing time? From jmorris at intercode.com.au Thu Oct 11 23:06:24 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] programming In-Reply-To: <20011011230431.A29110@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Erin Quinlan wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 05:52:23PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > closing time > > What's closing time? When you see something like this: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/12/graphics/gerih.jpg - James -- James Morris From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Oct 12 06:51:07 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] programming In-Reply-To: <20011011230431.A29110@dasbistro.com>; from erin@dasbistro.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 11:04:31PM -0700 References: <20011011175223.E21898@zork.net> <20011011230431.A29110@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011012095107.D97300@samurai.com> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 11:04:31PM -0700, Erin Quinlan wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 05:52:23PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > closing time > > What's closing time? http://www.xs4all.nl/~bigron/sonic/lcl13.html#08 Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Oct 12 06:53:19 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:47:57PM -0700 References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011012095319.E97300@samurai.com> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:47:57PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > Monorail on the other hand would provide rapid downtown-Ballard service > http://monorail.org/map.html > > and is only being suppressed on a technicality by the Conspiracy. > http://monorail.org/curevents.html > > Monorail is the _safest_ form of transportation in the world. > http://monorail.org/faq.html http://tarnish.net/simpsons/simpsons2.html#monorail Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 06:55:41 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] programming In-Reply-To: <20011011230431.A29110@dasbistro.com> (Erin Quinlan's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:04:31 -0700") References: <20011011175223.E21898@zork.net> <20011011230431.A29110@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <6uhet53qua.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 05:52:23PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: >> closing time > > What's closing time? It's an archaic Yoorpeen custom, where the proprietor of a drinking establishment ceases serving his customers and asks them to go home. Do you remember "home"? -- "What they should do is try to get a whole nest of artificially intelligent kernels like ants or bees: ``Stop the hacker! He's going for the queen!'' And like a bunch of them start shutting down various systems ... it'd be like Death Star except without the explosions." -- Emad El-Haraty, on OS design. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 06:58:29 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore Message-ID: <6ubsjd3qpm.fsf@zork.zork.net> "File requester". -- "They are just people, and I'm not afraid." -- Eamon de Valera From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Oct 12 07:00:37 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: <6ubsjd3qpm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > "File requester". Don't dare dissing Amiga, dude. File requester.X From davej at suse.de Fri Oct 12 07:06:53 2001 From: davej at suse.de (Dave Jones) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: <6ubsjd3qpm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > "File requester". I read of some lunatic who was porting the reqtools 'look and feel' to GTK at least once. I'm almost too scared to look around sourceforge in case I find it. "Just let it go man" d. -- | Dave Jones. http://www.codemonkey.org.uk | SuSE Labs From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 07:09:49 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: References: <6ubsjd3qpm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012070949.P21898@zork.net> begin Dave Jones quotation: > "Just let it go man" It's Chinatown. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Oct 12 07:09:46 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: ; from Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 04:00:37PM +0200 References: <6ubsjd3qpm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012100946.I97300@samurai.com> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 04:00:37PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > > > "File requester". > > Don't dare dissing Amiga, dude. File requester.X Yeah, you really don't want to go there. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 07:14:30 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: <20011012100946.I97300@samurai.com> (Bryan Fullerton's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:09:46 -0400") References: <6ubsjd3qpm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011012100946.I97300@samurai.com> Message-ID: <6u1yk93pyx.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 04:00:37PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: >> > "File requester". >> Don't dare dissing Amiga, dude. File requester.X > > Yeah, you really don't want to go there. I agree. The Amiga enjoyed such quality of software because the system gave sloppy programmers no cushion. I sneer at you so-called hackers, with your "memory protection" and "debuggers". Amiga programmers HAD to be good workmen because there were no tools to blame. -- "You don't drink, you don't get high; so make sure you take your medicine, boy." -- Eamon de Valera From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 07:20:21 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore Message-ID: <2762059.1002896421165.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Whopps - just replied to Sean - such a lovely conversation should be not be kept from the public's admiring eyes. Den 12 Okt 2001 skrev Sean Neakums: > I could really use an Atari ST to grind up and feed to > you spoonful by > spoonful. MOhahaaa. Atari ST.. moahhaha Yeah, let's have a Amiga vs Atari battle. And why not a C64 vs ZX Spectrum battle while we're at it. I guess you had a Speccy or a MSX. If you were even born at the time. The sound system in the Atari was equivalent to the one used in ZX81... however I am sure you don't even get this .-) M From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Oct 12 07:18:24 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: <6u1yk93pyx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > I agree. The Amiga enjoyed such quality of software because the > system gave sloppy programmers no cushion. I sneer at you so-called Tell me about it, Janet. I once tried writing a Forth from scratch in pure assembly on a two-floppy A2000, and lasted just a few pages of code. The red blinking LED became my nemesis. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 07:20:54 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: <2762059.1002896421165.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:20:21 +0200 (CEST)") References: <2762059.1002896421165.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: <6ur8s92b3t.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > Den 12 Okt 2001 skrev Sean Neakums: >> I could really use an Atari ST to grind up and feed to you spoonful >> by spoonful. > > MOhahaaa. Atari ST.. moahhaha I'm hardly going to waste a GOOD computer on you. -- "Faces pressed against the window: hey, they're just my friends." -- Eamon de Valera From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 07:22:52 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: (Eugene Leitl's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:18:24 +0200 (MET DST)") References: Message-ID: <6un12x2b0j.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Eugene Leitl quotation: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: >> I agree. The Amiga enjoyed such quality of software because the >> system gave sloppy programmers no cushion. I sneer at you >> so-called > > Tell me about it, Janet. I once tried writing a Forth from scratch > in pure assembly on a two-floppy A2000, and lasted just a few pages > of code. The red blinking LED became my nemesis. It stops blinking if you meditate long enough. I despair, 'Gene. It was in a BIG RED FLASHING BOX, and still you didn't comply. No wonder you failed. -- "They are just people, and I'm not afraid." -- Eamon de Valera From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 07:42:13 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Iron Monkey Message-ID: <5081983.1002897733160.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> http://www.iron-monkey.com/ [insert witty comment of your choice] From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 07:48:23 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Something for your beautiful head Message-ID: <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> http://www.pimphats.com/ "You Call Yourself a Pimp? Then Get Your Pimp Gear Here!" Well... _________________________________________________________________________ mailto:mikael@pawlo.com http://www.pawlo.com/ From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 07:49:22 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Something for your beautiful head In-Reply-To: <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:48:23 +0200 (CEST)") References: <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > http://www.pimphats.com/ Oh good, more memepool spew. Why not post some links to Slashdot and totally debase your currency here? -- "You don't drink, you don't get high; so make sure you take your medicine, boy." -- Eamon de Valera From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Oct 12 07:52:42 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Iron Monkey In-Reply-To: <5081983.1002897733160.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se>; from mikael@pawlo.com on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 04:42:13PM +0200 References: <5081983.1002897733160.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: <20011012105242.O97300@samurai.com> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 04:42:13PM +0200, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > http://www.iron-monkey.com/ > > [insert witty comment of your choice] This movie is so almost nine years ago. Not that that'll stop me from seeing it. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 08:00:37 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Iron Monkey In-Reply-To: <20011012105242.O97300@samurai.com> References: <5081983.1002897733160.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> <20011012105242.O97300@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011012080037.R21898@zork.net> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > > http://www.iron-monkey.com/ > > This movie is so almost nine years ago. This Web site is so 1999. No non-flash options, and uncloseable pr0n banners when you leave! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 08:02:58 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Something for your beautiful head In-Reply-To: <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012080258.S21898@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > > http://www.pimphats.com/ > > Oh good, more memepool spew. Why not post some links to Slashdot and > totally debase your currency here? This was on dasbanter first. Anyway, I was trying to convince zen that he should gimp out one of these hats and put it on http://www.megalink.net/~joel/matlock/girls.jpg For the supa-pimpin' action! This one is good, too: http://www.megalink.net/~joel/matlock/banjoben.jpg -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 08:08:56 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize Message-ID: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1595000/1595168.stm *banging head on table* -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 08:10:45 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is no longer evil Message-ID: <20011012081045.U21898@zork.net> http://www.fractalcow.com/bert/ > I have taken down the "Bert is Evil!"site from my server. I would > like to thank Sesame Workshop for their patience and restraint all > these years. I implore all fans and mirror site hosts of "Bert is > Evil" to stop the spread of this site too. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 08:13:56 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Don't shoot me, yes it's the Onion Message-ID: <20011012081356.V21898@zork.net> http://www.theonion.com/onion3736/freedoms_curtailed.html > "It is therefore urgent," Rumsfeld continued, "that all Americans be > quiet, stop asking questions, accept the orders of authorities, and > let us get on with the important work of defending liberty, so that > America can continue to be a beacon of freedom to all the world." -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Fri Oct 12 09:27:54 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize In-Reply-To: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 11:08:56 -0400 References: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Auch............. What's that line from Obi Won when he enters the space port in Start Wars... A larger group of scoudrels and racketeers as you'll ever see.... ruben On 2001.10.12 11:08:56 -0400 Nick Moffitt wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1595000/1595168.stm *banging head on table* -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 09:30:34 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize In-Reply-To: <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011012093034.W21898@zork.net> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > What's that line from Obi Won when he enters the space port in Start > Wars... > > A larger group of scoudrels and racketeers as you'll ever see.... Yeah, and then Bilbo killed the Clingons with his magic sword! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 09:32:17 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011012093217.X21898@zork.net> What, is that qmail? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- nate-crack@ooz.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 12 09:39:46 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize In-Reply-To: <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011013023946.V1658@perkypants.org> > Start Wars... Is it a window... Is it a foot... Is it a big K with a cog behind it? START WARS! - Jeff -- We're kind of like Canada, only we hate ourselves more, and it's wetter around the edges. From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 09:37:26 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] interviews on KFJC Message-ID: <20011012093726.Y21898@zork.net> So this guy interviewed me at length on various subjects, and also got Seth and Zack and some other folks. The times are pacific (we're stilli n daylight time, so that's UTC -7 hours). There's an MP3 stream, and that prodded me to push ogg vorbis. Just click on the "listen in" link. ----- Forwarded message from Philippe Tapon ----- The piece on Free Software is done and I hope will be broadcast between 6 and 7 p.m. on KFJC. We have a decent webcast. http://www.kfjc.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 09:38:58 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize In-Reply-To: <20011013023946.V1658@perkypants.org> References: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011013023946.V1658@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011012093858.Z21898@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > > > Start Wars... > > Is it a window... Is it a foot... Is it a big K with a cog behind it? It's every CrackMonkey's Ghod-Given Right to post messages that betray a mock-ignorance of big popular cheesy sci-fi and fantasy. I'm surprised I had to explain this to you. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 09:45:43 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 10 October 2001] Message-ID: <20011012094543.A21898@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily IF PHOTOSHOP IS OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL RUN PHOTOSHOP "My theory is that the Taliban have Internet too. And I think Bert is universal enough to appeal to them, too." Dino Ignacio, webmaster of the "Bert Is Evil" site, on the Sesame Street character's inexplicable appearance in a collage of Osama Bin Laden photos wielded by protesters in Bangladesh, Wired News, 10 October 2001 http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47450,00.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 09:46:22 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 11 October 2001] Message-ID: <20011012094622.B21898@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily PRETTY FLY FOR A WHITE GUY "We were more explicitly using the term 'fly,' never expecting it to be literal but making an analogy for empowerment and freedom." Microsoft marketing director Stephanie Ferguson, on the company's post-September 11 abandonment of "Prepare to Fly" as a launch slogan for Windows XP, Reuters, 11 October 2001 http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011011/n11203334_2.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Oct 12 10:12:39 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] programming In-Reply-To: <6uhet53qua.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011011175223.E21898@zork.net> <20011011230431.A29110@dasbistro.com> <6uhet53qua.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012121238.D29080@tastytronic.net> Quoting Sean Neakums: > begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 05:52:23PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > >> closing time Generally, 2:00 AM in Chicago. There are some joints that stay open until 4, though. rimshot! pedro From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Oct 12 10:17:32 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize In-Reply-To: <20011012093858.Z21898@zork.net> References: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011013023946.V1658@perkypants.org> <20011012093858.Z21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012121732.E29080@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > It's every CrackMonkey's Ghod-Given Right to post messages > that betray a mock-ignorance of big popular cheesy sci-fi and fantasy. "Mos Eisely Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany." And THEN Bilbo killed the Clingons with his KRULL knifey thing. pedro From neale at woozle.org Fri Oct 12 10:23:50 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:47 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011012093217.X21898@zork.net> References: <20011012093217.X21898@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick Moffitt writes: > What, is that qmail? >> nate-crack@ooz.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. Yeah, but check out his homepage: http://www.ooz.net/ From erikb at ob1.beadpainter.org Fri Oct 12 10:29:20 2001 From: erikb at ob1.beadpainter.org (Elite Dark Clown) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: ; from neale@woozle.org on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:23:50AM -0700 References: <20011012093217.X21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012112920.B8775@ob1.beadpainter.org> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:23:50AM -0700, Neale Pickett wrote: > http://www.ooz.net/ Hmph, http://www.ooz.net/img/b1.gif http://www.ooz.net/img/b2.gif http://www.ooz.net/img/b3.gif http://www.ooz.net/img/b4.gif http://shlick.net/404.php Then it starts over again. http://shlick.net/img/b1.gif etc... Somehow i missed the great fun in it. edc -- DODGEBALL STOPS AT THE GYM DOOR --Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF12 From neale at woozle.org Fri Oct 12 10:42:24 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011012112920.B8775@ob1.beadpainter.org> References: <20011012093217.X21898@zork.net> <20011012112920.B8775@ob1.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: Elite Dark Clown writes: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:23:50AM -0700, Neale Pickett wrote: >> http://www.ooz.net/ > Somehow i missed the great fun in it. You, sir, need to find kitten. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 11:09:56 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize In-Reply-To: <20011012121732.E29080@tastytronic.net> ("Peter A. Peterson II"'s message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:17:32 -0500") References: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011013023946.V1658@perkypants.org> <20011012093858.Z21898@zork.net> <20011012121732.E29080@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <6uelo83f2j.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Peter A Peterson quotation: > Quoting Monkey Master: >> It's every CrackMonkey's Ghod-Given Right to post messages that >> betray a mock-ignorance of big popular cheesy sci-fi and fantasy. > > "Mos Eisely Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of > scum and villany." > > And THEN Bilbo killed the Clingons with his KRULL knifey thing. And then, having completed his mission, he was surrounded by an unearthly blue glow, and the episode ended. -- "Henceforth, my homepage will be SSL-accessible only. I do not propose to explain why." -- Eamon de Valera From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 11:11:59 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 11 October 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011012094622.B21898@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:46:22 -0700") References: <20011012094622.B21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uadyw3ez4.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- > "We were more explicitly using the term 'fly,' never expecting > it to be literal but making an analogy for empowerment and > freedom." Irony is *so* 20th cenutry. > Microsoft marketing director Stephanie Ferguson, on the > company's post-September 11 abandonment of "Prepare to Fly" > as a launch slogan for Windows XP, Reuters, 11 October 2001 -- "I don't care what you say. I'm right and you're wrong." -- Eamon de Valera From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 12 11:18:17 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize In-Reply-To: <6uelo83f2j.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011012080856.T21898@zork.net> <20011012122754.C10730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011013023946.V1658@perkypants.org> <20011012093858.Z21898@zork.net> <20011012121732.E29080@tastytronic.net> <6uelo83f2j.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013041817.Z1658@perkypants.org> > And then, having completed his mission, he was surrounded by an unearthly > blue glow, and the episode ended. Ziggy *was* God, wasn't he? - Jeff -- "I came for the quality, but I stayed for the freedom." - Sean Neakums From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 12 11:20:50 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 11 October 2001] In-Reply-To: <6uadyw3ez4.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011012094622.B21898@zork.net> <6uadyw3ez4.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013042050.A1658@perkypants.org> > Irony is *so* 20th cenutry. I love it how they describe this as the "End of Irony" in a country that barely understood the concept in the first place. And that's not even getting started on Canadia and their pussyfart of a feminist pop singer. - Jeff -- "You know, the crunchy, folk-singer part of me wants to believe that a performance is a dialogue, but I can't hear a fucking thing you're saying." - Ani DiFranco From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Oct 12 11:25:37 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 11 October 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011013042050.A1658@perkypants.org>; from jdub@perkypants.org on Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 04:20:50AM +1000 References: <20011012094622.B21898@zork.net> <6uadyw3ez4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011013042050.A1658@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011012142537.D97300@samurai.com> On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 04:20:50AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > And that's not even getting started on Canadia and their pussyfart of a > feminist pop singer. Anne Murray? Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 12 11:29:42 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 11 October 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011012142537.D97300@samurai.com> (Bryan Fullerton's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:25:37 -0400") References: <20011012094622.B21898@zork.net> <6uadyw3ez4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011013042050.A1658@perkypants.org> <20011012142537.D97300@samurai.com> Message-ID: <6u669k3e5l.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 04:20:50AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: >> And that's not even getting started on Canadia and their pussyfart of a >> feminist pop singer. > > Anne Murray? Wasn't she in Degrassi Junior High? -- "You don't drink, you don't get high; so make sure you take your medicine, boy." -- Eamon de Valera From ibm at svpal.org Fri Oct 12 12:30:46 2001 From: ibm at svpal.org (Ian MacLure) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:17:32 -0500 > From: "Peter A. Peterson II" > To: Mama's lil' monkeys love shortnin' bread > Subject: Re: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize > > Quoting Monkey Master: > > It's every CrackMonkey's Ghod-Given Right to post messages > > that betray a mock-ignorance of big popular cheesy sci-fi and fantasy. > > "Mos Eisely Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of > scum and villany." > > And THEN Bilbo killed the Clingons with his KRULL knifey thing. No, this has all the hall marks of a frameup orchestrated by the Perfidious Kree. Free Bilbo! -- * Ian B MacLure ********* Hampton, VA ******* Engineer/Archer ***** * No Times Like The Maritimes ************************************* * Opinions Expressed Here Are Mine. That's Mine , Mine, MINE ****** * VR Level=3/Holding ***************** former sbay.linux henchman * From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 12 13:50:18 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] How to spot an Amiga whore In-Reply-To: <2762059.1002896421165.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> References: <2762059.1002896421165.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: <20011012135018.M2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > Yeah, let's have a Amiga vs Atari battle. And why not a C64 vs ZX > Spectrum battle while we're at it. I guess you had a Speccy or a MSX. > If you were even born at the time. D00D, the IMSAI 8080 kicks their butt. You can even hook a Bell 212A acoustic coupler to it. Fixed-rate 8Ks/s PCM encoding RU13Z! -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 16:51:13 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] McDonalds Message-ID: I just got an add from the new campaign from the Swedish branch of McDonald's: http://harvard.pawlo.com/burger.html I hope this link was not on Slashdot. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 16:51:57 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Something for your beautiful head In-Reply-To: <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:48:23 +0200 (CEST)") <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: At 15.49 +0100 01-10-12, Sean Neakums wrote: >> http://www.pimphats.com/ >Oh good, more memepool spew. Why not post some links to Slashdot and >totally debase your currency here? Mental note: never try to beat the crackmonkey! _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 16:56:34 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> begin Ian MacLure quotation: > > Message: 12 > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:17:32 -0500 > > From: "Peter A. Peterson II" > > To: Mama's lil' monkeys love shortnin' bread > > Subject: Re: [CrackMonkey] UN wins nobel peace prize Man, you digest fuckwads will never ever ever begin to understand threading and how it can be helpful for you. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 16:58:07 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011012165807.D21898@zork.net> http://bootyhouse.org/cgi-bin/sitespanker2?Latest > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin > Franklin Just wait until your dick turns orange. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- mike@bootyhouse.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 17:02:59 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Dummy guards US base in Britian] Message-ID: <20011012170258.E21898@zork.net> NET.FLOTSAM, BABY! ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: William Knowles http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001352224,00.html By JOHN KAY Chief Reporter Oct 12, 2001 A VITAL US air base in Britain is being guarded by a plastic DUMMY. The mannequin kitted out in combat gear gazes out of an otherwise deserted gatehouse at the hi-tech communications centre. Astonishingly, commanders believe the clearly fake guard will deter terrorists from sneaking in. Following the September 11 atrocities, the base is SUPPOSED to be on C for Charlie alert an extremely high security status just one grade below all-out attack. It is almost certainly playing a key role in co-ordinating USAF raids on targets in Afghanistan. Yet a stunned Sun reader spotted the dummy on guard duty as he drove past. He declared: I was staggered. It was clearly visible from the main road and wasnt even very realistic. If the US Air Force are so careless about security in Britain how can they hope to secure their own nation and keep their people safe? I am sure the British forces would never use dummies as guards. They have learned the hard way to take security seriously after 30 years guarding against the IRA. The six-square-mile USAF base at Croughton, Northants, is home to the 1,000 personnel of 422nd squadron and their families. It is dotted with huge aerials and satellite dishes that would make a tempting target to terror gangs. The bases policy, set out in a vision statement, proudly boasts it is striving to be the premier provider of global communication services while fostering a close-knit community based on quality of life, mutual respect, and camaraderie. Spokesman Sergeant Art Webb admitted the base was using a dummy as a deterrent because: We are under a lot of pressure right now. He said the gate being guarded by the dummy was currently closed because of roadworks. He said: We believe the base is secure. There are other security devices at the gate which I cant talk about with you. But within 20 minutes of The Sun contacting the base about the dummy it had been replaced by a real guard. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 17:05:17 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011012165807.D21898@zork.net> Message-ID: At 16.58 -0700 01-10-12, Nick Moffitt wrote: >http://bootyhouse.org/cgi-bin/sitespanker2?Latest >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little >> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin >> Franklin > Just wait until your dick turns orange. Again? _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 17:03:47 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Something for your beautiful head In-Reply-To: <20011012080258.S21898@zork.net> References: <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: At 08.02 -0700 01-10-12, Monkey Master wrote: >begin Sean Neakums quotation: >> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: >> > http://www.pimphats.com/ >> Oh good, more memepool spew. Why not post some links to Slashdot and >> totally debase your currency here? > This was on dasbanter first. ?? > Anyway, I was trying to convince zen that he should gimp out >one of these hats and put it on > http://www.megalink.net/~joel/matlock/girls.jpg >For the supa-pimpin' action! The scary thing is that it wouldn't even look weird. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 17:08:43 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Something for your beautiful head In-Reply-To: References: <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> <6uitdk3oct.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012170843.F21898@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > At 08.02 -0700 01-10-12, Monkey Master wrote: > > This was on dasbanter first. > > ?? D A S B A N T E R There, got it now? > > Anyway, I was trying to convince zen that he should gimp out > >one of these hats and put it on > > http://www.megalink.net/~joel/matlock/girls.jpg > > The scary thing is that it wouldn't even look weird. Well, his gimp-fu is pretty weak. So he declined. Who here is monkey enough to pimp out daddy Matlock? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 17:11:31 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] MARS NEEDS CAPPUCCINO Message-ID: <20011012171131.G21898@zork.net> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_420650.html -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 12 17:16:17 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Something for your beautiful head In-Reply-To: References: <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> <273091.1002898103358.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Message-ID: <20011012171617.R2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > Mental note: never try to beat the crackmonkey! But then all of those lovely 1/2" hickory branches will go to waste! And what fun would that be? -- Cheers, Live Faust, die Jung. Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 12 17:16:29 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] THE PARTY 2k1 - Here's THE BUS again!! Message-ID: Something for C-64 nostalgians and other mental cases. /M >Mailing-List: contact c64list-help@sunsite.dk; run by ezmlm >Delivered-To: mailing list c64list@sunsite.dk >X-Sender: juergen.brunner@mail.netsurf.de >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:49:42 +0200 >To: weasel@thebus.de >From: Juergen >Subject: THE PARTY 2k1 - Here's THE BUS again!! >Cc: radwar_and_friends@yahoogroups.com,c64list@sunsite.auc.dk, > hugi@egroups.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Hi everybody... > >I hope you don't feel annoyed by THIS email here... > > This is *NO* spam !!!! > >This will be a SINGLE mail just to inform as MANY SCENERS as possible about >that upcoming event... (Sorry, if you got this mail more than once. This >could just happen if you are on the same mailing lists I sent the mail to >as well! ;-) ) > >* So *PLEASE* do me at least ONE favour and spread this mail to sceners > and friends you know who also would like to get this information... > (please SPREAD even if _YOU_ don't care about it! ;-D Thanks!) > >* All people having a DISKMAG or whatever NEWS-INFORMATION platform: > > Feel FREE to add this news everywhere you like to keep THE SCENE INFORMED! > Thanks a lot in advance...you really do a _neccessary_ and _great_ job...! > >=============================== > >Take a second and pay attention for this year's offer for > THE BUS to THE PARTY 2k1 in Aars/Denmark... > >Lots information and latest news will be available on the FRESHLY >re-opened web-site... > >So feel free to visit it as often as you want at: > > http://TheBus.de > >Please pay also some attention to the following affiliated site from good >pals of mine in the netherlands (ex-TakeOver organizers!) doing also a >great job in organizing some cool bustrips as well to be able to reach a >perfect SCENE-ONLY area at this year's THE PARTY event! > >Please check it out at: http://www.demo-scene.net/bustrip/ > > >THE PARTY did a really nice job last year with their motto: 'Back To The >Roots'... >The only problem was that the scene itself seemed not to care about it >really and so there was a lack of sceners which was not fair to the >organizers themselves in my eyes! (but remember: at least TP 2000 was teh >release of one of the ALL-TIME BEST 64k intros EVER called: 'The >Product' of Farbrausch !!! >There you can see that at least the some of the real oldschool sceners >still are present and CARE about the event... So should *YOU* if you call >yourself 'scener' ! > > >So please think about this: >--------------------------- >If the scene don't HELP the event as well in supporting it...the event >itself can't get any better WITHOUT THE SCENE...!! > >If you want to support the TP-orga: > >1.) Write EVERYTHING you mean to dislike about TP and of course HOW TO MAKE IT > BETTER or any useful SUGGESTIONS to help the organizers in doing >things... > to the following E-MAIL ADDRESS TP has opened for that special reason: > > email to: TheSceneWants@theparty.dk > >then > >2.) try your BEST to ATTEND this year's event...so that you can DECIDE >yourself > WHAT they have done and if it got BETTER .... > with that action you would show them that YOU'd still CARE about TP... > >3.) SPREAD this word around to all sceners you know... > >4.) VISIT THE BUS-WEBSITE at: http://thebus.de > and feel free to enter the MESSAGE BOARD to discuss your opinion with >lotsa > other sceners... :-) > >5.) JOIN THE BUS I'm going to organize (for the last time!?) again...to start > your trip to TP at the most comfortable way... > >Well, thanks for reading ...and even MORE thanks for SPREADING this note to >as many sceners as possible... > >Have a nice one.. > >Bye, >Weasel >THE BUS orgnizer > >...for any reason reply to THIS message or mail to: weasel@thebus.de !! > I'll try to do my best to serve you with your request...! > Thanks a lot... > _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From miker at bootyhouse.org Fri Oct 12 17:09:06 2001 From: miker at bootyhouse.org (Mike Robinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <200110130009.f9D096B25238@beef.bootyhouse.org> >http://bootyhouse.org/cgi-bin/sitespanker2?Latest >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little >> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin >> Franklin > Just wait until your dick turns orange. Dude, the doc says it's temporary, something about getting a job and eating less cheetos. m. From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Oct 12 18:03:57 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 10:45:07PM -0700: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > Monorail is the _safest_ form of transportation in the world. > > http://monorail.org/faq.html > > Monorails have some minor advantages over elevated light rail, > but the safety systems currently in place in standard light rail > systems make the latter an all-around better choice. Lots of these > systems would have to be redesigned for monorails. "Safety systems currently in place?" Monorail is the safest, not light rail. If you want to grade-separate old-fashioned rail, you have to dig a huge tunnel, build a Chicago-style El and block sunlight from reaching the sidewalk, or heap up a monstrous mound of earth and run the occasional street under it. Monorail is designed from the start to be grade-separated. Grade-separating regular rail, light or heavy, is like making a pig walk on its hind legs. Monorail is "Environment Friendly" http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/enviro.html You're not against the _environment_ are you? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From kra at monkey.org Fri Oct 12 18:09:35 2001 From: kra at monkey.org (Karl Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: Don Marti's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:47:57 -0700" References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> Message-ID: Don Marti writes: > Light rail is not "hurry." Light rail has to stop at the same > lights cars do, plus passenger stops. Naw, just schedule the lights to let the train by. That's what happens in Portland. > It's little better than a > bus on rails. Cheaper in the long run. Only drawback is that the rails maim innocent cyclists. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ From rob at myinternetplace.net Fri Oct 12 18:43:39 2001 From: rob at myinternetplace.net (Rob Walker) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> Message-ID: <15303.40011.856873.133557@spurs.myinternetplace.net> >>>>> On 12 Oct 2001 18:09:35 -0700, Karl Anderson >>>>> said: Karl> Cheaper in the long run. Only drawback is that the rails maim Karl> innocent cyclists. s/innocent/guilty of getting in the way/ rob From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 12 19:05:46 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011012190546.W2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Karl Anderson quotation: > Cheaper in the long run. Only drawback is that the rails maim > innocent cyclists. Only the weak ones. -- Cheers, Why, yes, _of course_ I'm an elitist. Rick Moen Isn't everyone? rick@linuxmafia.com From kra at monkey.org Fri Oct 12 18:53:21 2001 From: kra at monkey.org (Karl Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: Rob Walker's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:43:39 -0700" References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <15303.40011.856873.133557@spurs.myinternetplace.net> Message-ID: Rob Walker writes: > >>>>> On 12 Oct 2001 18:09:35 -0700, Karl Anderson > >>>>> said: > > Karl> Cheaper in the long run. Only drawback is that the rails maim > Karl> innocent cyclists. > > s/innocent/guilty of getting in the way/ I guess one can get in the way of a rail, just like one gets in the way of the ground after jumping off of a cliff. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Oct 12 19:20:40 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <15303.40011.856873.133557@spurs.myinternetplace.net> References: <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <15303.40011.856873.133557@spurs.myinternetplace.net> Message-ID: <20011012192039.A13375@prometheus.embody.org> begin Rob Walker quotation: > > >>>>> On 12 Oct 2001 18:09:35 -0700, Karl Anderson > >>>>> said: > > Karl> Cheaper in the long run. Only drawback is that the rails maim > Karl> innocent cyclists. > > s/innocent/guilty of getting in the way/ > > rob s/rob/fuckhead/ -md From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Oct 12 19:21:11 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011012190546.W2545@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011012190546.W2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011012192111.B13375@prometheus.embody.org> begin Rick Moen quotation: > begin Karl Anderson quotation: > > > Cheaper in the long run. Only drawback is that the rails maim > > innocent cyclists. > > Only the weak ones. or oblique ones. -md From neale at woozle.org Fri Oct 12 19:28:37 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Dummy guards US base in Britian] In-Reply-To: <20011012170258.E21898@zork.net> References: <20011012170258.E21898@zork.net> Message-ID: > A VITAL US air base in Britain is being guarded by a plastic DUMMY. You'd think the Brits would have leared something from WWII: Another method of protecting an operational base that had been relocated involved building what appeared to be a new base some distance away. The service installations for the base were constructed of flimsy wood and the fake runway marked out in the proper dimensions. The builders tookcare to camouflage their wooden structures for the altitude at which Allied aircraft were likely to fly over them during normal operations. Work during World War II (and perhaps before) had shown that when properly designed, simple dummy structures on the ground can appear very realistic, shadows and all, when viewed from particular altitudes. From certain other altitudes, however, this effect can be lost and the structures seen for what they are. (I have observed this effect myself in a flyover, at two different altitudes, of a camouflaged base in Nebraska during World War II.) The German planners hoped that their wooden air base would divert enemy fighters from the real base and might also tempt Allied strategists to send bomber crews to destroy it. Raids could subject bomber crews to fighter and anti-aircraft attack and, in the bargain, provide a good laugh for the winners of this wartime game. Such bogus bases could, of course, be cheaply and easily rebuilt after an attack. Success in this game depended on Allied aircraft flying over the wooden base at or near the desired altitude. According to the tale told to me, a British pilot flying a "Mosquito" reconnaissance plane (ironically, a wooden aircraft itself) happened by the base during a phase of construction that aroused his suspicion. He was flying at a level and on a course which led him to do some cautious nosing about, which he reported on his return to England. He then received gleeful permission from his superiors to fly near the base subsequently to confirm what was going on, being careful to avoid both German suspicion and attack by Luftwaffe fighters and antiaircraft guns. When the Germans finished building the wooden base, he was allowed to fly directly over it in his Mosquito-at considerable risk of being shot down-and drop wooden bombs on it. "Tales Too Good To Question" From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Oct 12 19:42:10 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Dummy guards US base in Britian] In-Reply-To: ; from neale@woozle.org on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 07:28:37PM -0700 References: <20011012170258.E21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011012224210.T99192@samurai.com> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 07:28:37PM -0700, Neale Pickett wrote: > > > A VITAL US air base in Britain is being guarded by a plastic DUMMY. > > You'd think the Brits would have leared something from WWII: It says "US air base". This is a 'Brits making fun of Yanks' story. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 12 20:31:06 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 11 October 2001] In-Reply-To: <20011013042050.A1658@perkypants.org> References: <20011012094622.B21898@zork.net> <6uadyw3ez4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011013042050.A1658@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <87wv20fc79.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "JW" == Jeff Waugh writes: JW> I love it how they describe this as the "End of Irony" in a JW> country that barely understood the concept in the first place. Wouldn't you think, though, that Socratic irony is really the best kind of irony? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 12 20:32:13 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MM" == Monkey Master writes: MM> Man, you digest fuckwads will never ever ever begin to MM> understand threading and how it can be helpful for you. Screw you! Digest r0x0rs. All you need is a decent MUA that can kersplode digest messages automatically. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 12 20:35:47 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] THE PARTY 2k1 - Here's THE BUS again!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87ofncfbzg.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: >> Take a second and pay attention for this year's offer for THE >> BUS to THE PARTY 2k1 in Aars/Denmark... We are in the DEMO SCENE and we are taking the Dieter Bus to Denmark! We will make the hacking of graphics in big competing! And then play some KICK-ASSING .MODs! Party 2K1! Beaujolais! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 12 20:36:05 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011012203605.J21898@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > Screw you! Digest r0x0rs. All you need is a decent MUA that can > kersplode digest messages automatically. In that case, why digest at all when you can just let your MTA do all the batching? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 12 21:01:49 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Does anyone here speak moose? Message-ID: <20011012210149.K21898@zork.net> http://jasmin.hemmet.chalmers.se/Daler_och_det_hemliga_vapnet.mpeg http://www.hut.fi/~philip/Daler_och_det_hemliga_vapnet.mpeg So the subtitles seem to be in some crazy gubble-gubble moon-man language from teh land of the moon moose. Can anyone translate this thing? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Fri Oct 12 22:09:57 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Latest from the Front Line Message-ID: <20011013150957.A25882@willow.spacepants.org> http://www.somethingawful.com/inserts/news/images/10-12-2001-bert-01.jpg -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From sam at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 12 23:24:11 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>; from mr.bad@pigdog.org on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 08:32:13PM -0700 References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 08:32:13PM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote: > >>>>> "MM" == Monkey Master writes: > > MM> Man, you digest fuckwads will never ever ever begin to > MM> understand threading and how it can be helpful for you. > > Screw you! Digest r0x0rs. All you need is a decent MUA that can > kersplode digest messages automatically. > waitaminute! Who let you back onto this list? -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 12 23:51:52 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> begin Sam Phillips quotation: > waitaminute! Who let you back onto this list? I'm willing to bet that he _was_ here, but he just suffered an accidental reboot, and it took that long for his kernel to run "init=/usr/bin/emacs". -- Cheers, Rick Moen Emacs is a decent operating system, rick@linuxmafia.com but it still lacks a good text editor. From rillian at telus.net Fri Oct 12 23:52:14 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Bert is all over the place In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 04:05 , Eugene Leitl wrote: > I have a website about sexxxxy girls with leg casts to show you. http://www.viff.org/cgi-bin/filmnote.pl?key+GIPSX -r From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 13 01:02:21 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011011225606.L21898@zork.net> References: <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011011224804.K21898@zork.net> <20011011225606.L21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013180221.A7338@masher.homeip.net> > others from http://www.lightrail.com/definition.htm > > APTA Glossary of Transit Terminology definition: > > Transportation Research Board definition: > > Some other definitions and thoughts submitted: > > You have an orange dictionary. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com "Don't Panic" -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy From pawal at blipp.com Sat Oct 13 01:30:10 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Does anyone here speak moose? In-Reply-To: <20011012210149.K21898@zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://jasmin.hemmet.chalmers.se/Daler_och_det_hemliga_vapnet.mpeg > http://www.hut.fi/~philip/Daler_och_det_hemliga_vapnet.mpeg > > So the subtitles seem to be in some crazy gubble-gubble > moon-man language from teh land of the moon moose. Can anyone > translate this thing? Basically, it only says "teleport a taliban" all over. You can ignore the other swedish/indian chef stuff. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From jmorris at intercode.com.au Sat Oct 13 04:01:19 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses Message-ID: I really hate circuses. Admittedly, I've only been to a circus once, as a very small child. I can only remember a few things about the experience, and they are all bad. One was quite traumatic, as I will explain. First, however, is the memory of an ambient perfume of animal excrement, hay and popcorn. This olfactive siren call helps the audience to forget that they are really janitors and middle managers. It stirs long lost memories of excitement and wonder, in preparation for the ensuing charade. So the audience begins to pretend. They will pretend to be frightened, amazed, amused and impressed. And at $10 a ticket, it's great value. So, what actually happens? I don't remember much. Something involving a clown throwing a bucket of confetti over the audience. Someone else, perhaps the ringmaster's wife, balancing spinning plates on sticks. Animal tricks. Trapeze artists. Probably a grand finale involving the elephant. I'm not really sure. What I do remember with certainty is a routine called The Mummy. A small boy, seemingly a Gypsy, was wrapped in bandages, placed in a box then set on fire. I started crying when they set the box on fire. I really thought that the poor kid was being burnt. Some seconds later, the same little Gypsy boy ran into the ring from outside, to the feigned relief if the audience. He wasn't really dead after all. I kept crying at the thought that if I was a little Gypsy boy, I might have to perform The Mummy too. Tonight, as I write this, one of the new style circuses is being shown on television. It has a fancy European sounding name, and was advertised as being "dynamic". Now this set off some alarm bells. Dynamic is a term I've seen associated with many a dull job advertisement. You know the kind: A dynamic team player is required for this equally dynamic and demanding role! I've come to realize that the term "dynamic" is a code. It is a code with which the mediocre unknowingly damn themselves with faint praise. Everything that's not dead is basically dynamic. They might was well be advertising a job especially for someone with a pulse. Do you have a pulse? This job does too! Sounds great, sign me up. Anyway, back to this dynamic modern circus with the oh so subtly implied European sophistication. I decide to watch the show for five seconds and form a lasting judgment based on what I see in that time. I hit the remote until it finds the right channel. Costumed performers move slowly against a background of computerized lighting and pre-recorded Tuvan harmonic chant. It is all very mystical. A quick shot of the audience confirms their amazement. They look like janitors and middle managers. Somehow, they manage to appear sad and impressed at the same time. Like the look on a person's face when they realize how many years they'll be working just to pay the interest on their mortgage. Still, the audience applauds heartily at the end of the piece, most probably never to know where that music came from, nor ever to care. But instead, they will remember a moment, a mystical, dynamic moment, when they were somewhere other than their own lives. And at $100 a ticket, it's great value. From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Sat Oct 13 06:40:26 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 09:01:19PM +1000, James Morris wrote: > I really hate circuses. > Living a territory where the exploitation of animals for supposed entertainment is banned, I can't really sympathise with you. The only circuses I have seen are similar to the Amazing Flying Fruit Circus, or was it the Amazing Fruit Flying Circus... anyway, that's beside the point. The point is, I only saw circuses that emphasised human athleticism and daring. None of this funny sadistic desire to get an elephant to stand on a small bucket. Also! There's the Kafka Konnection: http://www.geocities.com/rowsofhouses/sorrow.txt I was looking for an elise or kath or somebody else Nick knows who dug Kafka, but the juice was not strong. > > They look like janitors and middle managers. Somehow, they manage to > appear sad and impressed at the same time. Like the look on a person's > face when they realize how many years they'll be working just to pay the > interest on their mortgage. Are you trying to place yourself above the "common people"? How would society function, and what function would society have, without them? > > And at $100 a ticket, it's great value. > In the scheme of things, it may well be. It's far better to spend $100 and be part of a crowd that is pretending to have fun, than spend many thousands of dollars, many thousands of hours, much intellectual and emotional expenditure, and for what? A fucking computer. Something that does nothing but what you tell it to do. Dude, get out of the house, and find something else to do than to critique the joys and pleasures other people experience. It's not cool to get high dissing other people having fun. Regards, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Oct 13 06:51:53 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses In-Reply-To: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> References: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011013235153.A1702@perkypants.org> > Dude, get out of the house, and find something else to do than to critique > the joys and pleasures other people experience. It's not cool to get high > dissing other people having fun. You reckon he was getting high? - Jeff -- "Man, is there some worldwide consipiracy to supply me with doctored dictionaries or something?" - Adrian van den Dries From sneakums at zork.net Sat Oct 13 07:20:10 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses In-Reply-To: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> ("Edward C. Lang"'s message of "Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:40:26 +1000") References: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <6uy9mf1v1h.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Edward C Lang quotation: [snipped] When did you turn into such a prat? Was it just that you used to take the trouble to hide it? -- "Snap into position; bounce 'til you ache!" -- Eamon de Valera From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 13 09:26:35 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Does anyone here speak moose? In-Reply-To: References: <20011012210149.K21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013092634.B13113@zork.net> begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > Basically, it only says "teleport a taliban" all over. You can > ignore the other swedish/indian chef stuff. YOU may be able to. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 09:28:48 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:48 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011013092847.C13113@zork.net> hooo-kay. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- nate-crack@ooz.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 13 09:32:08 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses In-Reply-To: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> References: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011013093208.D13113@zork.net> begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > I was looking for an elise or kath or somebody else Nick knows who > dug Kafka, but the juice was not strong. It was the very artist who owns the crackmonkey image: http://zork.net/~patty/ -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Oct 13 09:38:25 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Does anyone here speak moose? In-Reply-To: <20011013092634.B13113@zork.net> References: <20011012210149.K21898@zork.net> <20011013092634.B13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011014023825.C1702@perkypants.org> > > Basically, it only says "teleport a taliban" all over. You can > > ignore the other swedish/indian chef stuff. > > YOU may be able to. Just eat your noodles. - Jeff -- I am Jack's smoking gun. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 13 10:11:41 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> References: <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > "Safety systems currently in place?" Monorail is the safest, not > light rail. Monorail is *theoretically* safest. Light rail is *practically* the safest, provided you have adequate grade-separation. > If you want to grade-separate old-fashioned rail, you have to dig > a huge tunnel, build a Chicago-style El and block sunlight from > reaching the sidewalk, or heap up a monstrous mound of earth and > run the occasional street under it. It's only Chicago-style if you're determined to build your system with only 100-year-old materials and technology. Hell, even BART manages to set up elevated trackways without "blocking sunlight" any more than a monorail really would. Contrast Shattuck in Berkeley with 5th in Seattle. Yeah, so you have a three-foot-wide concrete slab instead of a five-foot rail platform. So what? This makes the difference between sunlight and gloom? You're high! You also forgot to mention systems like the S-bahn in Berlin. They actually ran trains right through the middle of buildings in the denser parts of the city. The elevated trackways typically run just as skyways between blocks and as station platforms. > Monorail is designed from the start to be grade-separated. Hahahaha. That's so cute, Don. Oh yeah, so is BART! So's the NYC Subway! So is Web-Slinging Fluid! yaay for INNATE grade separation! My spidey sense is tingling! > Grade-separating regular rail, light or heavy, is like making a pig > walk on its hind legs. Four legs good; two legs bad? Or is it one rail good; two rails bad? > Monorail is "Environment Friendly" > http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/enviro.html > > You're not against the _environment_ are you? Hahaha. 3/4 of that page is all about aesthetics. That's GREAT! Most of the claims of monorail are based on the fact that, since all monorails since the 68 Alweg job in Seattle (and possibly prior) they all use steel-reinforced pylons for support. BIG WHOOP. So does BART for crying out loud. Any modern-day El will give you the advantages of monorail. The only real safety claim that monorail folks can make is that the hugging-the-rail makes derailments less likely. Has ANYONE here ever heard of a light rail derailment? No? I'll tell you why! It's because the reason that HEAVY FREIGHT trains derail is because the payload:tare weight ratio is much higher than a commuter car, and because the center of gravity is so high. Ever look at those car-carrying trains as they go by? They have three stories of automotive death sitting in the things! A standard commuter train only has the one deck, so all the weight is concentrated on the floor of the thing, and maybe a space one meter off the floor for people sitting, leaning their asses against the car walls, etc. Okay, so BART managed to run a trian off the edge of the Fremont tracks in the 1970s. So what? A monorail won't save you there! What will save you is not relying on untested computer control systems, but that's another story entirely. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 10:14:47 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (via crackmonkey) Message-ID: <20011013101447.F13113@zork.net> http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=57501 -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Sat Oct 13 10:18:48 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (via crackmonkey) In-Reply-To: <20011013101447.F13113@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:14:47 -0700") References: <20011013101447.F13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <6usncn1mrr.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=57501 Those comments are hella lame, especially this one: "Please, somebody credit SomethingAwful.com for this!" The goddamn link GOES to somethingawful.com. Why is "credit" required? -- "They are just people, and I'm not afraid." -- Eamon de Valera From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 13 10:20:22 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (via crackmonkey) In-Reply-To: <6usncn1mrr.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011013101447.F13113@zork.net> <6usncn1mrr.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013102022.G13113@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > The goddamn link GOES to somethingawful.com. Why is "credit" > required? Someone else says "You should just link to the SA front page so that people have a chance to donate." hahahaha. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From bryanf at samurai.com Sat Oct 13 10:21:06 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (via crackmonkey) In-Reply-To: <6usncn1mrr.fsf@zork.zork.net>; from sneakums@zork.net on Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 06:18:48PM +0100 References: <20011013101447.F13113@zork.net> <6usncn1mrr.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013132106.D99192@samurai.com> On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 06:18:48PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > Those comments are hella Your access is hereby terminated. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 13 12:15:06 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> References: <20011009105250.S21898@zork.net> <20011009181707.B13547@zgp.org> <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> Message-ID: <87r8s773np.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DM" == Don Marti writes: > Monorail is the _safest_ form of transportation in the world. > http://monorail.org/faq.html I think the safest form of transportation is Air Force One. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 13 12:18:49 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "RM" == Rick Moen writes: RM> I'm willing to bet that he _was_ here, but he just suffered an RM> accidental reboot, and it took that long for his kernel to run RM> "init=/usr/bin/emacs". Oh, har de har har. We all know I run "init=/usr/bin/yes", for security reasons. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 11:46:08 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [owen@ditherati.com: D I T H E R A T I for 12 October 2001] Message-ID: <20011013114608.J13113@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily CRYPTOGRAPHY WANTS TO BE FREE "There aren't that many companies making a lot of money in the security business right now." Pretty Good Privacy inventor Phil Zimmermann, on learning that his privacy product, purchased by Network Associates in 1997, is being put on the block, Wired News, 12 October 2001 http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,47551,00.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Sat Oct 13 11:48:37 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr. Bad's message of "13 Oct 2001 12:18:49 -0700") References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <6ulmif1im2.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Mr Bad Is Now Available In All Fifty States quotation: >>>>> "RM" == Rick Moen writes: RM> I'm willing to bet that he _was_ here, but he just suffered an RM> accidental reboot, and it took that long for his kernel to run RM> "init=/usr/bin/emacs". > Oh, har de har har. We all know I run "init=/usr/bin/yes", for > security reasons. You must be running that freaky BSD variant that can read files from filesystems without mounting them. Killer feature! -- "Nuclear weapons will wipe out all life on Earth, if used properly." -- Eamon de Valera From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 16:57:27 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] PERVERSION OF SCIENCE == TASTIER BACON Message-ID: <20011013165727.M13113@zork.net> http://www.sky.com/skynews/storytemplate/storytoppic/0,,31500-1032139,00.html -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Sat Oct 13 17:08:28 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] PERVERSION OF SCIENCE == TASTIER BACON In-Reply-To: <20011013165727.M13113@zork.net> References: <20011013165727.M13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011014010828.I23069@ummagumma> * Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) wrote: > http://www.sky.com/skynews/storytemplate/storytoppic/0,,31500-1032139,00.html That's just cruel. A glowing yellow pig! How mean. All the other pigs will laugh at him. They could have at least tried to coordinate. Pink and yellow is SO last summer... Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 17:10:45 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Welcome to the land of freedom, now shut up. Message-ID: <20011013171045.N13113@zork.net> http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/13/rec.attacks.academic.ap/index.html -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Sat Oct 13 18:26:13 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> References: <20011009182503.X21898@zork.net> <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 10:11:41AM -0700: > It's only Chicago-style if you're determined to build your > system with only 100-year-old materials and technology. _You're_ the one who has the antique railway fetish, not me. http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q3/023247.html > Yeah, so you have a three-foot-wide concrete slab instead of a > five-foot rail platform. So what? This makes the difference between > sunlight and gloom? You're high! If people complain when you charge a $5 fare instead of a $3 fare, why shouldn't they complain when two-rail troglodytes take away two-thirds more sunlight for no reason? But it's worse -- you're comparing the _rail gauge- of BART to the _actual width_ of the monorail beam. The BART extension to San Francisco airport is using a deck with a _minimum_ width of 18 feet. http://www.sanbrunobart.com/Bart2sfo/News/010726-1.shtml > You also forgot to mention systems like the S-bahn in Berlin. > They actually ran trains right through the middle of buildings in the > denser parts of the city. The Sydney monorail runs through buildings too. > Four legs good; two legs bad? Or is it one rail good; two > rails bad? Two rails is better than none. But your whole argument is that light rail is almost as good as monorail. Why settle for second-best? > Has ANYONE here ever heard of a light rail derailment? No? Yes. http://www.lightrail.com/terminology.htm#Derailment And if light rail trains don't derail, how come they make these? http://www.akrailroad.com/rerailers.html (see bottom of page) -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 13 18:46:21 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> References: <20011009183206.C13547@zgp.org> <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > _You're_ the one who has the antique railway fetish, not me. > http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q3/023247.html Proven and tested, not antique. Existing electric rail technology does the job cheaper and safer, and has the benefit of a century of refinement. Monorails haven't progressed much beyond the 1960s. YOU, sir, are the one with the antique railway fetish. > But it's worse -- you're comparing the _rail gauge- of BART to the > _actual width_ of the monorail beam. I'm not. I'm assuming a standard 4'8.5" gauge with minimal margins on either side. > The BART extension to San Francisco airport is using a deck with a > _minimum_ width of 18 feet. > http://www.sanbrunobart.com/Bart2sfo/News/010726-1.shtml Yes, and BART is another monorailesque boondoggle designed by people with no experience whatsoever in the construction of urban rail systems. But that aside, you're comparing the width of two rail platforms spaced apart by a significant margin. You were talking about sunlight, and now you're conveniently ignoring any gap between the two tracks. An El system can also use rails separated by ties, while the turgid central rail of a monorail is a solid block. Remember, a monorail is typically just a standard track with the rails on the side of the bridge instead of the top. > > Four legs good; two legs bad? Or is it one rail good; two > > rails bad? > > Two rails is better than none. > > But your whole argument is that light rail is almost as good as > monorail. Why settle for second-best? Simple. Monorail is NOT YET as good as light rail. It could be, and does show a few nice improvements over standard light rail provided you throw hundreds of millions of dollars at R&D. You could finish the Muni Metro system with that kind of money, or build an El system with commodity parts. Also, that commodity parts system would have proven safety mechanisms. > > Has ANYONE here ever heard of a light rail derailment? No? > > Yes. > http://www.lightrail.com/terminology.htm#Derailment Ah yes, pipe-dream monorails and dictionary derailments. No, really, show me a light rail car that hopped sideways off its tracks in a manner that a monorail could not have. > And if light rail trains don't derail, how come they make these? > http://www.akrailroad.com/rerailers.html > (see bottom of page) Federal regulations, damaged rails, running off the end of a trackway, and other situations that being a monorail wouldn't solve. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Sat Oct 13 19:45:38 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses In-Reply-To: <6uy9mf1v1h.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> <6uy9mf1v1h.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011014124538.A1101@anu.edu.au> On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 03:20:10PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > begin Edward C Lang quotation: > > [snipped] > > When did you turn into such a prat? Was it just that you used to take > the trouble to hide it? > You lose. Regards, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us Sat Oct 13 21:02:41 2001 From: evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us (Evan Prodromou) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <6ulmif1im2.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ulmif1im2.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87elo627j2.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> You must be running that freaky BSD variant that can read SN> files from filesystems without mounting them. Killer feature! You must be eating handfuls of LFPs with both hands, and chewing them wildly with a big bug-eyed expression as bits and pieces fly out of your mouth. "Momph momph momph! You spelledph 'fuckhead' wrongph!" ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou evan@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Sat Oct 13 20:39:30 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] On the paperknife's edge Message-ID: <20011014133930.A2048@anu.edu.au> http://www0.mercurycenter.com/local/center/sjplane1014.htm -- Edward C. Lang: edward.lang@anu.edu.au | ___ ___ _ ___ | Programmer at the Centre for Bioinformation Science | / __| _ |_) __| | Telephone: 0419 415 850 (GSM) +61 2 6125 4717 | | (__| _ \ \__ \ | Postal: JCSMR, GPO Box 334 Canberra ACT 2601 | \___|___/_|___/ | From bryanf at samurai.com Sat Oct 13 21:53:51 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses In-Reply-To: <20011014124538.A1101@anu.edu.au>; from Edward.Lang@anu.edu.au on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 12:45:38PM +1000 References: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> <6uy9mf1v1h.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011014124538.A1101@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011014005351.F99192@samurai.com> On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 12:45:38PM +1000, "Edward C. Lang" wrote: > You lose. ITYM "YHL". Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From bob at ruptured-duck.com Sat Oct 13 23:08:18 2001 From: bob at ruptured-duck.com (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Theo DeRaadt vs DJB. Content vs. Form In-Reply-To: <20011011225524.A2545@linuxmafia.com>; from rick@linuxmafia.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 10:55:24PM -0700 References: <20011011115530.A21898@zork.net> <20011011225524.A2545@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011014020818.A9509@robert.ruptured-duck.org> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 10:55:24PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Funny how often Theo, as unpopular as he is, has tended to be absolutely > right, lately. And, unlike some of our other standard-bearers, he has had the good common sense not to spout off about 9/11, Vietnam, or anything else that could only be placed under the rubric "Morally Bankrupt Left Wing Propaganda." -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, R.I., USA From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 23:27:56 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Why do they hate the merkins Message-ID: <20011013232756.U13113@zork.net> http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/09/23/stiusausa01024.html? > In fairness, the stupidity charge is partly fuelled by one of the > odder forms of anti-Americanism: American anti-Americanism. There > has always been, within the US, cultivated East and West Coast > elites who take the charge of stupidity seriously and feel they have > to apologise for the embarrassment of the unsophisticated masses of > the Midwest or deep South. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 23:38:32 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Sour Cream & Onion 12db Wireless Ethernet Message-ID: <20011013233832.V13113@zork.net> $6 of parts can get YOU in hot water with the FTC as well! ----- Forwarded message from "Jerry A. Shenk" ----- Well, my Pringles can antenna works - I can get up to a 10-12 db gain at times but other times, the gain is 2db. There is a consistent gain when using it though. I did very little testing and the testing I did do was going up-hill, away from the house with the AP in the basement....hardly an ideal location! There's also a definite pattern - The signal is strongest out the 'horn' of the antenna and weakest when faced the other way. That's pretty much the same pattern that the PCMCIA card has when docked in my laptop but it's somewhat more pronounces when using the external antenna. I have a document and a link to some pictures at http://jerryslinux.dyndns.org/jas/pringles.html. -------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry A. Shenk - MCNE, CCNA, GCIA (GIAC Certified Intrusion Analyst) GCIH (GIAC Certified Intrusion Handler) Sr. Systems Engineer - Computer Networking Services D&E Networks, Inc. jshenk@decommunications.com (also jas@decns.com) 1-877-433-8632 Fax via efax: (253) 323-5149 (new number 6/9/01) my website: http://jerryslinux.dyndns.org/jas - PGP sig. file on this site -- general wireless list, a bawug thing [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 13 23:43:28 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Tim Pozar lays out FidoNet II -- Wireless Boogaloo Message-ID: <20011013234328.W13113@zork.net> Yay for Tim Pozar! ----- Forwarded message from Tim Pozar ----- I have been playing with some numbers to see how a low cost 802.11(a/b) network could work. You can see some sample spreadsheets at: http://www.lns.com/projects/sunsetwireless/ Of course some features we get are: Symmetric bandwidth Real address space No restrictive AUP Share the resources of other customers. Some assumptions are... A central point such as Sutro Tower for distribution. 1 DS1 per 20 customers. $50 / month service charge. No payroll - yeah right... No office costs - blue sky. No billing costs - I have a bridge... Questions: How does one restrict bandwidth say if a user is really hogging the line? Check into bandwidth shaping on a Cisco 2650. A user could "repeat" the traffic to other non-subscribed users. Do we allow that? How to make this break even or profitable? Need to drop DSL and bandwidth prices. At these expenses we don't see a break even unless the service charge is up to $150/month. Support of more than 2 T1s on cheap Cisco routers. Future support for co-op members. Any comments or ideas out there? Sugardaddies? Tim On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 01:11:21PM -0700, Lile Elam wrote: > >From: "Wu Ming" > >Subject: RE: [BAWUG] MobileStar back up in the sunset... > > >Better yet, a free network would fit everyones budget much nicer. > > Ah, my thoughts exactly. I was thinking that this would help > inspire more free and open wireless access points to show up. > > And that would be great. The more open access there is, the > more wireless will spread and be used. -- Snail: Tim Pozar / LNS / 1978 45th Ave / San Francisco CA 94116 / USA POTS: +1 415 665 3790 Radio: KC6GNJ / KAE6247 "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." - Andrew Jackson "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell, "Skeptical_Essays" -- general wireless list, a bawug thing [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 13 23:54:07 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Sour Cream & Onion 12db Wireless Ethernet In-Reply-To: <20011013233832.V13113@zork.net> References: <20011013233832.V13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011013235407.X13113@zork.net> > ----- Forwarded message from "Jerry A. Shenk" ----- > I have a document and a link to some pictures at > http://jerryslinux.dyndns.org/jas/pringles.html. The links unroll as follows: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448 Rob Flickenger's plans based loosely on http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html Andrew Clapp's original design. (Yeah, I can see why he doesn't go by Andy) -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Oct 14 00:08:43 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (via crackmonkey) In-Reply-To: <6usncn1mrr.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011013101447.F13113@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:14:47 -0700") <20011013101447.F13113@zork.net> Message-ID: At 18.18 +0100 01-10-13, Sean Neakums wrote: >begin Nick Moffitt quotation >> http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=57501 >Those comments are hella lame, especially this one: > "Please, somebody credit SomethingAwful.com for this!" >The goddamn link GOES to somethingawful.com. Why is "credit" >required? I don't know, but now they did something about it: http://www.somethingawful.com/inserts/news/images/10-12-2001-bert-01.jpg _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 14 01:15:24 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay Message-ID: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> It's October 14th! And you all know what that means, right? MR. BAD'S BIRTHDAY. Woo-hooooo! Happy birthday to me! I just turned thirty-three! My hair is all gray-aaaaay, But I still get the chicks! Beaujolais! I'm all old and shit! I'm putting down double or nothing that I make it to 34 without loss of limb or major debilitating kidney injury. The house takes on all comers! Just try me, you bastardos! Anyways, congratulate me, for Jeebus's sakes. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Oct 14 01:17:13 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay In-Reply-To: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011014181713.G1702@perkypants.org> > I'm putting down double or nothing that I make it to 34 without loss of > limb or major debilitating kidney injury. The house takes on all comers! > Just try me, you bastardos! > > Anyways, congratulate me, for Jeebus's sakes. Do you ride a motorcycle? - Jeff -- It's not just a song! It's a document of my life! From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 14 07:12:51 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Swiss Holocaust Money did not Bankroll "Prague Spring II" Message-ID: <20011014071250.Y13113@zork.net> The contributions of holocaust victims to the Swiss economy was allegedly minimal. No holocaust booty has been connected with the invasion of the Czech Republic. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001354387,00.html -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 14 07:14:45 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Carlos The Jackal to be married in heartwarming soft-focus ceremony with flowers and beautiful beautiful music. Message-ID: <20011014071445.Z13113@zork.net> http://news.excite.ca/news/r/011012/07/odd-jackal-dc -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Oct 14 13:00:36 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <87elo627j2.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ulmif1im2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87elo627j2.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011014130036.D20190@zgp.org> begin Evan Prodromou quotation of Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 09:02:41PM -0700: > >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: > > SN> You must be running that freaky BSD variant that can read > SN> files from filesystems without mounting them. Killer feature! > > You must be eating handfuls of LFPs with both hands, and chewing them > wildly with a big bug-eyed expression as bits and pieces fly out of > your mouth. "Momph momph momph! You spelledph 'fuckhead' wrongph!" Or running One Big-Ass ReiserFS Partition(tm) instead of that silly old-fashioned "separate partion for /usr" thing. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Oct 14 13:16:04 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> References: <20011009191753.Y21898@zork.net> <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 06:46:21PM -0700: > Proven and tested, not antique. Existing electric rail > technology does the job cheaper and safer, and has the benefit of a > century of refinement. Monorails haven't progressed much beyond the > 1960s. YOU, sir, are the one with the antique railway fetish. We were talking about Seattle here. They already have in-house monorail expertise. And "cheaper"? The Seattle monorail system is the only urban transportation system in the US that makes a profit. > Monorail is NOT YET as good as light rail. It could be, and > does show a few nice improvements over standard light rail provided > you throw hundreds of millions of dollars at R&D. You could finish > the Muni Metro system with that kind of money, or build an El system > with commodity parts. Even assuming futre R&D is necessary, let the Las Vegas private sector handle it, man. http://www.lvnvmonorail.com/ > Federal regulations, damaged rails, running off the end of a trackway, > and other situations that being a monorail wouldn't solve. The Seattle monorail has never even had to replace a rail. http://www.monorail.org/brochure.html If it works, extend it! -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Oct 14 13:55:03 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay References: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <3BC9FBA7.64A25D40@praxis.com.au> "Mr. Bad" wrote: > Happy birthday to me! > I just turned thirty-three! > My hair is all gray-aaaaay, > But I still get the chicks! But ya still ain't got no rhythm or rhyme. HTH _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Oct 14 14:02:27 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up Message-ID: The infamous Rick Moen - now more net frequency than Ivil Bert: http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/style/0013.html M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Sun Oct 14 14:37:44 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> > The infamous Rick Moen - now more net frequency than Ivil Bert: Only cause they spell his name right more often, so he's easier to count. Interesting to note no mention of AMD in the processor section, but they go ahead and use it anyway at the end :) "You should actually see the monitor you're contemplating before you buy it. A factory flaw like serious edge misconvergence or a tilted yoke is not a happy thing to discover after you've already cut a check." Those poor checkoslovakians! J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com Have you been half-asleep? Have you heard voices? I've heard them calling my name... -Kermit the Frog (Rainbow Connection) From pgl at mini.instinct.org Sun Oct 14 14:35:41 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net>; from thaytan@bigpond.net.au on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 07:37:44AM +1000 References: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20011014233541.A44108@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 14, Jan Schmidt wrote: > Those poor checkoslovakians! itym "checks". the check republic and slovakia split in 1993. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From leklund at tastytronic.net Sun Oct 14 14:48:04 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] occult ether physics Message-ID: <20011014164804.D26224@tastytronic.net> Is there a "Secret Physics" with a different set of rules --- hidden away from us earlier in this century, by a powerful elite who fear the technology based on it will strip away their power and wealth,and loberate us from their grip? Dynamite comes in small packages, and this little stick of scientific dynamite, blows apart pseudo-scientific myths and instills the truth. http://www.nutech2000.com.au/prod75.htm I just want to know how one is loberated. I fear it involves Dennis Hopper and a pair of scissors. -- lukas | SELF-EVIDENT, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Oct 14 15:58:42 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay Message-ID: <20011014165842.A11617@Ivy.NET> our life is so short it stays young, old from first birthday to last cough Tomorrow is Lulu E. Burke's birthday. congradulate her, too! sniff. -- So arbitrary and so foolish. I can only say you are incurable. I feel sad for you, feel sad for your poor judging ability. -- LYWANG on Salon's ``Table Talk'' From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Sun Oct 14 18:10:58 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011014233541.A44108@mini.instinct.org> References: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> <20011014233541.A44108@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <20011015111058.A8879@anu.edu.au> On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 11:35:41PM +0200, Peter Lowe wrote: > On Oct 14, Jan Schmidt wrote: > > Those poor checkoslovakians! > > itym "checks". the check republic and slovakia split in 1993. Where do you get off spelling "cheque" as "check"? And "Chequebequeistan" and "Checkeslovakia"? -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From sneakums at zork.net Mon Oct 15 00:34:40 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <20011014130036.D20190@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:00:36 -0700") References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ulmif1im2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87elo627j2.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011014130036.D20190@zgp.org> Message-ID: <6u4rp11hm7.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Don Marti quotation: > begin Evan Prodromou quotation of Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 09:02:41PM -0700: >> You must be eating handfuls of LFPs with both hands, and chewing >> them wildly with a big bug-eyed expression as bits and pieces fly >> out of your mouth. "Momph momph momph! You spelledph 'fuckhead' >> wrongph!" > > Or running One Big-Ass ReiserFS Partition(tm) instead of that silly > old-fashioned "separate partion for /usr" thing. I don't see how any freedom-loving individual could possibly countenance using a filesystem built with Russian slave labour. -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From pgl at mini.instinct.org Mon Oct 15 01:21:18 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015111058.A8879@anu.edu.au>; from Edward.Lang@anu.edu.au on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 11:10:58AM +1000 References: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> <20011014233541.A44108@mini.instinct.org> <20011015111058.A8879@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011015102118.A45871@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 15, Edward C. Lang wrote: > And "Chequebequeistan" isn't that somewhere in canadia? -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Mon Oct 15 01:56:44 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015102118.A45871@mini.instinct.org> References: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> <20011014233541.A44108@mini.instinct.org> <20011015111058.A8879@anu.edu.au> <20011015102118.A45871@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <20011015185644.A11383@anu.edu.au> On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 10:21:18AM +0200, Peter Lowe wrote: > On Oct 15, Edward C. Lang wrote: > > And "Chequebequeistan" > > isn't that somewhere in canadia? Chequebequeistan unto Canadia is the same as Rooshia unto Kzahacakstan, and its neighbours. And the Lord sayeth, "First, ye shall cast out the damned Canadistas, for they are the spawn of Satan, and speak in a tongue of indefels. Then, ye shall" ... If there is a God, does he drink absinthe? -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Oct 15 02:59:23 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015185644.A11383@anu.edu.au> References: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> <20011014233541.A44108@mini.instinct.org> <20011015111058.A8879@anu.edu.au> <20011015102118.A45871@mini.instinct.org> <20011015185644.A11383@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011015195923.I1082@perkypants.org> begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > If there is a God, does he drink absinthe? Kylie is the absinthe fairy, and God would drink of Kylie. - Jeff -- Interplanetary Pants From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Mon Oct 15 05:18:29 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015195923.I1082@perkypants.org> References: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> <20011014233541.A44108@mini.instinct.org> <20011015111058.A8879@anu.edu.au> <20011015102118.A45871@mini.instinct.org> <20011015185644.A11383@anu.edu.au> <20011015195923.I1082@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011015221829.A12189@anu.edu.au> On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 07:59:23PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > > > If there is a God, does he drink absinthe? > > Kylie is the absinthe fairy, and God would drink of Kylie. Does God have a nose? (The obvious corrolary question to the above statement is: If God was carrying Kylie in the Olympics, and Kylie fa... sheesh. Standards? Wossose? WE AUSTRIANS DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' STANDARDS Regards, and apologies for dragging this thread into the sewer, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Oct 15 05:35:18 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015221829.A12189@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Edward C. Lang wrote: > Does God have a nose? (The obvious corrolary question to the above statement My God has no nose. How does he smell? From sneakums at zork.net Mon Oct 15 05:38:52 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: (Eugene Leitl's message of "Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:35:18 +0200 (MET DST)") References: Message-ID: <6ulmidyt5v.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Eugene Leitl quotation: > On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Edward C. Lang wrote: >> Does God have a nose? (The obvious corrolary question to the above >> statement > > My God has no nose. How does he smell? Awful! -- "Faces pressed against the window: hey, they're just my friends." -- Eamon de Valera From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Mon Oct 15 07:01:21 2001 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <6ulmidyt5v.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6ulmidyt5v.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016000121.A14039@masher.homeip.net> > begin Eugene Leitl quotation: > > > My God has no nose. How does he smell? > > Awful! > Are you sure? Perhaps you should cheque? J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com Homer: "No TV and No Beer make Homer something something" Marge: "Go Crazy?" Homer: "Don't mind if I do! aaaarrrarrgghar!" From sneakums at zork.net Mon Oct 15 07:06:52 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:49 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011016000121.A14039@masher.homeip.net> (Jan Schmidt's message of "Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:01:21 +1000") References: <6ulmidyt5v.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011016000121.A14039@masher.homeip.net> Message-ID: <6uhet1yp37.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jan Schmidt quotation: > >> begin Eugene Leitl quotation: >> > My God has no nose. How does he smell? >> Awful! > > Are you sure? Perhaps you should cheque? I'd rather lob another shrimp on the 'barbie' and crack open a 'tinnie', myself. -- "It saddens me to see the nation I helped create whore itself out to manufacturers of proprietary software." -- Eamon de Valera From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 15 07:20:49 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <6uhet1yp37.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > begin Jan Schmidt quotation: > > > > >> begin Eugene Leitl quotation: > >> > My God has no nose. How does he smell? > >> Awful! > > > > Are you sure? Perhaps you should cheque? > > I'd rather lob another shrimp on the 'barbie' and crack open a > 'tinnie', myself. I'm sure you'll eventually see the Eire of your ways. - James -- James Morris From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Oct 15 07:28:49 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] PERVERSION OF SCIENCE == TASTIER BACON In-Reply-To: <20011014010828.I23069@ummagumma> References: <20011013165727.M13113@zork.net> <20011014010828.I23069@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011015092848.T13426@tastytronic.net> Quoting Tom Gilbert: > That's just cruel. A glowing yellow pig! How mean. Hey Ed, In your cruelty free commonwealth, is it illegal to have those french bulldogs that are so grotesquely bred that they can't even bear their own young? It probably should be. pedro PS: http://www.dog.nu/adoreabull/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Oct 15 07:30:10 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Why do they hate the merkins In-Reply-To: <20011013232756.U13113@zork.net> References: <20011013232756.U13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011015093010.U13426@tastytronic.net> Quoting Nick Moffitt: > > In fairness, the stupidity charge is partly fuelled by one of the > > odder forms of anti-Americanism: American anti-Americanism. There > > has always been, within the US, cultivated East and West Coast > > elites who take the charge of stupidity seriously and feel they have > > to apologise for the embarrassment of the unsophisticated masses of > > the Midwest or deep South. ggggggGGGRGRGRGRGRRGRGAGAGAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH~!!!!!!!!!!11!!!! aa;lsdjv;laskvhanxlvbzxcvbf asd2[0y4t2409ygvczx zx cv From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Oct 15 07:32:21 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay In-Reply-To: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011015093221.V13426@tastytronic.net> Quoting Mr. Bad: > It's October 14th! And you all know what that means, right? MR. BAD'S > BIRTHDAY. Woo-hooooo! I'll oblige you: Happy Birthday! Crackmonkey and I were thinking about writing a fanboy biography of you, just after we finish writing our top sekrit video game. pedro From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 15 07:35:18 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > I'd rather lob another shrimp on the 'barbie' and crack open a Furthermore, nobody in Austria ever says "shrimp" when discussing prawns. During a nauseating international advertising campaign, some pony-tailed chardonnay wanker decided that the Americans were too, uhm, American to deal with it. Tourism is a great industry, by the way. Especially if you have skills as a Croupier, Cocktail Maker, Exotic Dancer or Prostitute. Often, there are less glamourous but equally rewarding roles available for Dish Washers, Pizza Deliverers, Sales Consultants (specializing in T-Shirts and Novelty Gifts) and Taxi Drivers. Having worked in many of these positions, I can say that the biggest factor in a tourism career "trajectory" is your attitude towards the kinds of people who like to go on holidays. Also, the less ugly you are, the better the prospects. So don't be ugly and expect a first class ticket on the tourism gravy train. - James -- James Morris From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Oct 15 07:42:45 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011016004245.K1082@perkypants.org> begin James Morris quotation: > So don't be ugly and expect a first class ticket on the tourism gravy > train. Bitter are we, Jimmy? - Jeff -- Penguinillas Pack GNUzis From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 15 07:47:15 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real goddamnrickmoen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011016004245.K1082@perkypants.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: > begin James Morris quotation: > > > So don't be ugly and expect a first class ticket on the tourism gravy > > train. > > Bitter are we, Jimmy? > Let's just say that the exotic dancing didn't work out as well as I had expected. - James. -- James Morris From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 15 11:21:21 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HAW HAW HAW SPAM IZ FUNNEE Message-ID: <20011015112121.A13113@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Jenna ----- From: "Jenna" Subject: WARNING: PROTECT YOUR NAME IN CANADA Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:33:52 [BODY OF SPAM INSUFFICENTLY HUMOROUS!] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From scotta at iemedia.ca Mon Oct 15 11:24:32 2001 From: scotta at iemedia.ca (Scott Allan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Visit from 'bin Laden' causes stir at school Message-ID: <20011015142349.O3708-100000@home.samurai.com> http://www.canada.com/winnipeg/story.asp?id={D23A88F6-A642-47DF-AB67-0480BF7E26BC} Visit from 'bin Laden' causes stir at school WINNIPEG (CP) -- It was a case of mistaken identity when children at a Winnipeg elementary school thought the world's most wanted man was visiting. Ben Levin, deputy education minister, was visiting Buchanan School, as part of his mandate to visit all Manitoba schools. When it was announced over the intercom system that Dr. Ben Levin was in the school, several students, over-exposed to stories about terrorists, heard wrong. They thought Dr. Bin Laden was paying them a visit. From davej at suse.de Mon Oct 15 11:28:12 2001 From: davej at suse.de (Dave Jones) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: HAW HAW HAW SPAM IZ FUNNEE In-Reply-To: <20011015112121.A13113@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > From: "Jenna" So you turned down the chance to be nickcanadia@canada.com then ? d. -- | Dave Jones. http://www.codemonkey.org.uk | SuSE Labs From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 15 11:52:31 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011015115231.D13113@zork.net> Goddamn your resume is dull. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- aoneil@q7.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 15 11:52:59 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011015115259.E13113@zork.net> Hooray for Johnny Quest! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- ajze@goquest.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 15 11:53:38 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> Fuck, I'm in Texas right now on a work-induced trip. I'm too exhausted to flame you properly. Please post something stupid and I'll get back to you. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- pt@panix.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 15 11:56:42 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> References: <20011015073743.A7438@masher.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20011015115642.G13113@zork.net> begin Jan Schmidt quotation: > Those poor checkoslovakians! We can only hope that the Swiss will be fair and honest masters. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 15 11:58:00 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011015115800.H13113@zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > Furthermore, nobody in Austria ever says "shrimp" when discussing > prawns. > > During a nauseating international advertising campaign, some > pony-tailed chardonnay wanker decided that the Americans were too, > uhm, American to deal with it. Yeah, well, over here pr0n means something different. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 14 18:27:31 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay In-Reply-To: <20011014181713.G1702@perkypants.org> References: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011014181713.G1702@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <87pu7pd75o.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "JW" == Jeff Waugh writes: Me> I'm putting down double or nothing that I make it to 34 without Me> loss of limb or major debilitating kidney injury. JW> Do you ride a motorcycle? HARDLY. I drive a 72 Citroen DS, with hydraulic suspension and a semi-automatic transmission. Beaujolais! Deathrace 2001! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Oct 15 12:18:59 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay In-Reply-To: <3BC9FBA7.64A25D40@praxis.com.au> References: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <3BC9FBA7.64A25D40@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <87zo6sr9ss.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "RW" == Rick Welykochy writes: >> Happy birthday to me! I just turned thirty-three! My hair is >> all gray-aaaaay, But I still get the chicks! RW> But ya still ain't got no rhythm or rhyme. It's prosody, man. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From neale at woozle.org Mon Oct 15 12:07:41 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> References: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick Moffitt writes: > Fuck, I'm in Texas right now on a work-induced trip. You poor, poor soul. I've been to Texas. Spent a week there one day. From jack at xiph.org Mon Oct 15 12:12:43 2001 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: ; from neale@woozle.org on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 12:07:41PM -0700 References: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011015131243.S19663@i.cantcode.com> > > Fuck, I'm in Texas right now on a work-induced trip. > > You poor, poor soul. > > I've been to Texas. Spent a week there one day. I used to live there! GAK! I also have to travel there in November to visit my family. Texas is a bad place. jack. From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Oct 15 12:18:12 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011015131243.S19663@i.cantcode.com> References: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> <20011015131243.S19663@i.cantcode.com> Message-ID: <20011015121812.J7276@zork.net> Jack Moffitt writes: > > > Fuck, I'm in Texas right now on a work-induced trip. > > > > You poor, poor soul. > > > > I've been to Texas. Spent a week there one day. > > I used to live there! GAK! (turning head) What's this about key escrow? -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From elharaty at zork.net Mon Oct 15 12:15:04 2001 From: elharaty at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011015121504.A812@zork.net> begin Neale Pickett quotation: > Nick Moffitt writes: > > Fuck, I'm in Texas right now on a work-induced trip. > > You poor, poor soul. > > I've been to Texas. Spent a week there one day. > I still live here. :< -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Oct 15 12:52:01 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] From the network that brought you footage of jumpers... Message-ID: <20011015145201.Y13426@tastytronic.net> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20011012/en/cbs_considers_wtc_comedy_1.html -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Oct 15 13:06:52 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Fuck, I'm in Texas right now on a work-induced trip. I'm too You work too hard (if it makes you trip, you work definitely too hard). Take two aspirin and call me in the morning. From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Oct 15 13:53:30 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Birfdays, Were the Worst Days, Now We Drink Champagne When We're Thirs-tay References: <87d73q8web.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <3BC9FBA7.64A25D40@praxis.com.au> <87zo6sr9ss.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <3BCB4CCA.F58F482@praxis.com.au> "Mr. Bad" wrote: > > RW> But ya still ain't got no rhythm or rhyme. > > It's prosody, man. That's spelled proctology, Benny. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Oct 15 15:03:23 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Papa Nofembir Message-ID: <20011015170323.Z13426@tastytronic.net> ----- Forwarded message from John Young ----- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:29:18 -0700 To: spooks@qth.net From: John Young Subject: [Spooks] UK Numbers Radio Station Silenced Sorry if this has been noted already (from "I" on the UK Crypto list). Radio Espionage Publication Silenced by UK "D" Notice System October 15, 9:00 a.m. 2001 GMT LONDON -- Newspaper articles about Shortwave espionage have been pulled by the UK "D" notice system. This system exists to silence discussion of any subject that might jeopardize the defense (hence the "D") of the United Kingdom. "Its totally understandable; spies operating abroad must be protected." says Akin Fernandez, director of the company that publishes "The Conet Project", an encyclopedic book and quadruple CD which describes the operation and catalogues the sounds of espionage "Numbers Stations". These obscure shortwave radio stations are believed to be used by intelligence agencies world wide to communicate with agents in the field. "If details of the way that Numbers Stations are publicized at this delicate moment, anyone carrying or listening to a portable shortwave radio would be suspect" he said. This is true, but would clearly work in reverse, spreading mistrust within the ranks of the Taliban, who will without doubt be listening to international news reports via shortwave radio. There has been speculation about hidden messages in pornographic images, and the video messages that have been coming out of the secret camp of Usama Bin Laden have also been rumored to contain encoded messages for "sleepers"; operatives planted in target countries waiting for the command to carry out more suicide attacks. "Its more likely that the Taleban are using low tech to deliver their messages" says Fernandez, "It is a simple matter to transmit a 100% secure message via Shortwave Numbers Station, to any city in the world, for anonymous reception by an operative". Asked if there were any ways to decrypt the messages Fernandez said, "The consensus is that these messages are unbreakable without the recipients code book. Once you have that, you have entry into all of the messages". Numbers Stations are transmitted in a staggering number of languages and formats. The voices of men women and children are used to deliver the messages, which are composed of strings of letters or digits. The stations are often preceded by music, from folk tunes such as "The Lincolnshire Poacher" and "The Swedish Rhapsody" to "Don't Cry for me Argentina". There is a station that transmits in Arabic, but its origin is unknown. Numbers Stations are a powerful method of anonymous and secure communication. They can be received by anyone with a simple inexpensive pocket radio that can be bought anywhere in the world. No special equipment is needed to unscramble the messages other than a pencil and a piece of paper. "It is astounding when you first hear that Shortwave is still being used in this way, but when you think about it, the way that it works is so perfect there is no reason to change the system at all". When questioned about how he knew that the "D" notice had been applied to The Conet Project Fernandez replied, "We were informed by someone that I can only describe as a Blue Beaked Canary". http://www.dnotice.org.uk/dan3.htm http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/conet.htm --- Be sure to visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ Submissions should be sent to spooks@qth.net To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe spooks" to majordomo@qth.net ----- End forwarded message ----- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 15 16:04:57 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011015121504.A812@zork.net> References: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> <20011015121504.A812@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011015160457.B28492@zgp.org> begin Emad El-Haraty quotation of Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 12:15:04PM -0700: > I still live here. :< Coming to SXSW 2002? (For those who don't know, it's this monster music/movie/web/beer/Freenet festival that costs like $40 for 9 days.) -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Mon Oct 15 16:21:55 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] PERVERSION OF SCIENCE == TASTIER BACON In-Reply-To: <20011015092848.T13426@tastytronic.net> References: <20011013165727.M13113@zork.net> <20011014010828.I23069@ummagumma> <20011015092848.T13426@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011016092155.A15330@anu.edu.au> On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 09:28:49AM -0500, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > Quoting Tom Gilbert: > > That's just cruel. A glowing yellow pig! How mean. > > Hey Ed, > > In your cruelty free commonwealth, is it illegal to have those french > bulldogs that are so grotesquely bred that they can't even bear their > own young? It probably should be. Um... I dunno. I've never had dogs, so I don't know that much about them. Except: 1) Border Collies are the One True SuperIntelligent Dog, according to my mother, whose family owned a bigass sheep property. My mother things border collie pups are just the cutest things. 2) Yapping Fluffballs (aka Maltese Terriers) deserve everything they get. Regards, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Oct 15 22:30:21 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011015223020.N4669@linuxmafia.com> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > The infamous Rick Moen - now more net frequency than Ivil Bert: > http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/style/0013.html Ask about franchise opportunities in _your_ area. (But the so-called "unabridged" version at the above URL -- isn't. The real, complete article can be found here: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/ultimate-linux-box/ -- Cheers, "Reality is not optional." Rick Moen -- Thomas Sowell rick@linuxmafia.com From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 16 04:24:53 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oi!!! Message-ID: <6u669fzv22.fsf@zork.zork.net> What the fuck is this? How did I get on this list? Why do I have over seven thousand unread messages? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? -- "Love and understanding are the ultimate crimes." -- Eamon de Valera From pawal at blipp.com Tue Oct 16 04:41:25 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oi!!! In-Reply-To: <6u669fzv22.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > What the fuck is this? How did I get on this list? Why do I have > over seven thousand unread messages? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? Don't you know the secret handshake? From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 16 05:18:39 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oi!!! In-Reply-To: (Patrik Wallstrom's message of "Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:41:25 +0200 (CEST)") References: Message-ID: <6u1yk3zskg.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: >> What the fuck is this? How did I get on this list? Why do I have >> over seven thousand unread messages? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? > > Don't you know the secret handshake? Sure I do: FLA -> NPX -> FLA NPX -- "Faces pressed against the window: hey, they're just my friends." -- Eamon de Valera From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 16 06:43:17 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Freudian slop Message-ID: <6uvghfya2y.fsf@zork.zork.net> Intending to type 'scp', I typed 'sco'. Is it just that I am a bad typist, or does it indicate a deep yearning to suffer under the yoke of proprietary Unix? In short, Doc, am I sick? -- "Ron Sweeney is the one. Fear his noisy keyboard!" -- Eamon de Valera From jaq at spacepants.org Tue Oct 16 06:56:45 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Freudian slop In-Reply-To: <6uvghfya2y.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6uvghfya2y.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016235645.A12289@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Sean Neakums wrote: >Intending to type 'scp', I typed 'sco'. Is it just that I am a bad >typist, or does it indicate a deep yearning to suffer under the yoke >of proprietary Unix? In short, Doc, am I sick? Freud would have said, "Big Fucking Whoopee." -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From jmorris at intercode.com.au Tue Oct 16 07:52:25 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Reuters: Woman Enigma Cracker Ignored (fwd) Message-ID: Why is this a "women" story? The story itself actually says that the reason for the dismissal of the idea was that they didn't think the Dutchlanders were that stupid. Tired: Synthetic Polemic. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:06:12 +0100 From: Owen Blacker Reply-To: ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk To: UK Crypto list Subject: Reuters: Woman Enigma Cracker Ignored -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.wired.com/news/women/0,1540,47560,00.html | Woman Enigma Cracker Was Dissed | Reuters | | 6:42 a.m. Oct. 15, 2001 PDT | | LONDON -- A British woman cracked a key component of Germany's top-secret | Enigma encoding machine before World War II began, but her supervisors | dismissed her theory as too simple, according to a new book published on | Monday. | | British newspapers ran excerpts of the book, Action This Day, which | claims that discoveries made by a female codebreaker known only as "Mrs | BB" could have opened the secrets of the encoding machine and shortened | the war. | | Codebreakers including Alan Turing, the father of the modern computer, | were trying in the late 1930s to break the Enigma cypher, the key to | Germany's communication system. | | But they could not figure how the keys of the Enigma machine were wired | up. | | The book's editors, Michael Smith and Ralph Erskine, said that "Mrs BB" | suggested the Germans wired the A key to the A rotor, B to B and so on | through the alphabet -- a theory dismissed as too simplistic, but one | that proved correct. | | "Surprisingly, one cryptanalyst, a 'Mrs BB,' had seriously contemplated | that the wiring was indeed an identity (A to A etc)," historian Erskine | wrote. | | But one of Mrs BB's senior colleagues discounted her theory "probably | because he could not believe that the Germans had been so stupid," he | wrote. | | The full Enigma code was finally cracked by a team of thousands of men | and women, including chess masters, civil servants and mathematics | geniuses, laying bare German troop and submarine movements. | | The book also contains chapters written by former codebreakers. Its | royalties will be donated to the Bletchley Trust at Bletchley Park, the | site of a house in north London where codebreakers laboured before and | during the war. | | Copyright (c) 2001 Reuters Limited. - -- Owen Blacker Senior Software Developer / InfoSec Consultant Wheel: Clerkenwell See http://www.owens-place.org.uk/pgp.html -- more about my PGP keys Sig 0x3e2056b9 | 18cd 92aa 32aa 81b9 f5e8 c520 6475 6239 3e20 56b9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 Comment: Due to RIP, pls check for revocation before using this key! iQA/AwUBO8wF2WR1Yjk+IFa5EQIgIACfU3UbQ8udzN3qSD2gk/CyZQ2tBjkAoJ+3 BcSRB/Y4COevpLEj/KZTDk9j =VKa6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 16 07:58:54 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] PERVERSION OF SCIENCE == TASTIER BACON In-Reply-To: <20011016092155.A15330@anu.edu.au> References: <20011013165727.M13113@zork.net> <20011014010828.I23069@ummagumma> <20011015092848.T13426@tastytronic.net> <20011016092155.A15330@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011016075853.K13113@zork.net> begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > 1) Border Collies are the One True SuperIntelligent Dog, according > to my mother, whose family owned a bigass sheep property. My mother > things border collie pups are just the cutest things. My mother lived on a farm in Sonoma, and she gave me the same impression. She would sometimes guffaw at Lassie because they did things that "no border collie would be dumb enough to do". She once told me of a birthday party she took my younger brother to where the parents left 15 screaming kids alone unsupervised save for the dog. That collie herded them expertly and kept them out of danger. Good nanny dog. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 16 08:00:51 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Freudian slop In-Reply-To: <20011016235645.A12289@willow.spacepants.org> (Jamie Wilkinson's message of "Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:56:45 +1000") References: <6uvghfya2y.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011016235645.A12289@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <6ur8s3y6ho.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jamie Wilkinson quotation: > This one time, at band camp, Sean Neakums wrote: >> Intending to type 'scp', I typed 'sco'. Is it just that I am a bad >> typist, or does it indicate a deep yearning to suffer under the >> yoke of proprietary Unix? In short, Doc, am I sick? > > Freud would have said, "Big Fucking Whoopee." Freud would have gotten into the swing of things and ground up some fresh GAR for the slavering masses. -- "You don't drink, you don't get high; so make sure you take your medicine, boy." -- Eamon de Valera From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 16 08:08:55 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Papa Nofembir In-Reply-To: <20011015170323.Z13426@tastytronic.net> References: <20011015170323.Z13426@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011016080855.L13113@zork.net> begin Papa November quotation: > "Its totally understandable; spies operating abroad must be > protected." says Akin Fernandez, director of the company that > publishes "The Conet Project", an encyclopedic book and quadruple CD > which describes the operation and catalogues the sounds of espionage > "Numbers Stations". So I went into Aquarius Records a couple weeks ago, and they have a chart up showing how many of those CDs they've sold. It was something like 350 last I checked. They were excited when they sold like six of the things last year (about when I bought mine). Turns out that some guy is buying up all of the CDs at triple the retail price. The Conet People, being strapped for cash, are recalling and re-selling them to this guy. So Aquarius has about 25 (at least, they did two weeks ago) in stock. Go grab your copy today! Aquarius rocks, because they print out little reviews of most of the albums in the store and adhere them to the display copies. That's how I found out about Godspeed You Black Emperor and was able to pick relatively successfully from the bizarre Japurneez bands. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 16 08:09:07 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011016080907.M13113@zork.net> NorthWest of WHAT. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- ryan@nwgeeks.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 16 08:11:55 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Reuters: Woman Enigma Cracker Ignored (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011016081155.N13113@zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > http://www.wired.com/news/women/0,1540,47560,00.html > > "Surprisingly, one cryptanalyst, a 'Mrs BB,' had seriously > > contemplated that the wiring was indeed an identity (A to A etc)," > > historian Erskine wrote. No! That was Ayn Rand! YOU FOOLS! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 16 08:13:22 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011016080907.M13113@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:09:07 -0700") References: <20011016080907.M13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <6un12ry5wt.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > NorthWest of WHAT. Whatever it is, I'll take eleven to ten that it's a lot like ass. > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > ryan@nwgeeks.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "What good is respect without the moolah to back it up? Everywhere I go I see teachers driving Ferraris, research scientists drinking champagne. I tried to drink a Coke on the bus, and they took away my pass!" -- Emad El-Haraty From mdillon at standmed.com Tue Oct 16 08:25:17 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Freudian slop In-Reply-To: <6ur8s3y6ho.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6uvghfya2y.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011016235645.A12289@willow.spacepants.org> <6ur8s3y6ho.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016082516.A23646@prometheus.embody.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > Freud would have gotten into the swing of things and ground up some > fresh GAR for the slavering masses. then, he'd perk up a vein an inject that shit! "WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHAAAAAAAAA!!! I'M CRAAAAAZY SIGGMUNDD!!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! NEE'ME S'MORE O'THAT SHIT!" -md From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 16 08:51:08 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Does anyone here speak moose? In-Reply-To: References: <20011012210149.K21898@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016085108.R13113@zork.net> begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > Basically, it only says "teleport a taliban" all over. You can > ignore the other swedish/indian chef stuff. http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d00lada/hissen/disclaimer.html -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Tue Oct 16 09:03:55 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Official Ayn Rand Simulator Message-ID: Version 1.0 of the Official Ayn Rand Simulator is now available at: http://www.intercode.com.au/jmorris/misc/aynrand-1.0.tar.gz - James -- James Morris From pawal at blipp.com Tue Oct 16 09:08:18 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Does anyone here speak moose? In-Reply-To: <20011016085108.R13113@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > > Basically, it only says "teleport a taliban" all over. You can > > ignore the other swedish/indian chef stuff. > > http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d00lada/hissen/disclaimer.html Now, imagine a Shaggy reggae dancehall cover of this, with Evil Bert making noises. Hmm, http://www.algonet.se/~zyron/barn/sesam.html The swedish voice of Bert was Carl Billquist. There must be a very good connection to bin Laden there somewhere. The C64 connection is obvious. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 16 09:59:02 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA Message-ID: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> So first Hawking says that we must alter our DNA to defeat the Robot Masters, but now he proposes that we colonize space to combat the superviruses that will undoubtedly be created by this process! http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011015/sc/science_britain_hawking_dc_1.html -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 16 09:59:29 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Reuters: Woman Enigma Cracker Ignored (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20011016081155.N13113@zork.net> References: <20011016081155.N13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016095929.B12682@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 08:11:55AM -0700: > begin James Morris quotation: > > http://www.wired.com/news/women/0,1540,47560,00.html > > > "Surprisingly, one cryptanalyst, a 'Mrs BB,' had seriously > > > contemplated that the wiring was indeed an identity (A to A etc)," > > > historian Erskine wrote. > > No! That was Ayn Rand! YOU FOOLS! Rosalind Franklin will kick your sorry ass. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From ryan at nwgeeks.com Tue Oct 16 10:19:35 2001 From: ryan at nwgeeks.com (Ryan Ordway) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:50 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011016080907.M13113@zork.net> Message-ID: Northwest of.... the southeast? -- ryan@nwgeeks.com HELO... my name is root... you have SIGKILLed my father... prepare to vi! On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > NorthWest of WHAT. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > ryan@nwgeeks.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 16 11:24:01 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011015160457.B28492@zgp.org> References: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> <20011015121504.A812@zork.net> <20011015160457.B28492@zgp.org> Message-ID: <87elo3h29q.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DM" == Don Marti writes: DM> Coming to SXSW 2002? (For those who don't know, it's this DM> monster music/movie/web/beer/Freenet festival that costs like DM> $40 for 9 days.) Hey, so, when the hell _is_ SXSW? I've never been, want to try and drop in. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 16 11:25:08 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oi!!! In-Reply-To: <6u669fzv22.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6u669fzv22.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87adyrh27v.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> What the fuck is this? How did I get on this list? Why do I SN> have over seven thousand unread messages? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? I'm your worst nightmare, Neakums. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 16 11:31:21 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Reuters: Woman Enigma Cracker Ignored (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87669fh1xi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "JM" == James James Morrison Morrison Weatherby George Dupree writes: JM> Why is this a "women" story? The story itself actually says JM> that the reason for the dismissal of the idea was that they JM> didn't think the Dutchlanders were that stupid. I think there's an object lesson in exact estimation of the Dutch somewhere in this. Despite that it's a story about the early "demo scene" in the Reichsland, I sense that the Dutch have something to do with this whole mess. Anywho, I believe this is all covered in the FAQ. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From neale at woozle.org Tue Oct 16 10:29:18 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> References: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick Moffitt writes: > So first Hawking says that we must alter our DNA to defeat the Robot > Masters, but now he proposes that we colonize space to combat the > superviruses that will undoubtedly be created by this process! These articles sure make it sound like Hawking is off his rocker. But maybe he's using his position of respect to subtly toy with common fears for the progression of science. You know, like saying "oh, yeah, we'll be goners within 1000 years unless we start sending manned flights to the moon again." If politicians listen to him, the space program might start to noticeably twitch again. Or maybe he just finished reading "The Caves of Steel" and got a little carried away. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Oct 16 10:32:11 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oi!!! In-Reply-To: <87adyrh27v.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: On 16 Oct 2001, Mr. Bad wrote: > I'm your worst nightmare, Neakums. Apparently snookums's dreams are infested with javurpowered vegemetarian lemon-driving tourist guy look-alikes. nefarious ones at that. -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 16 10:34:56 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> References: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016103456.B18927@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 09:59:02AM -0700: > So first Hawking says that we must alter our DNA to defeat the Robot > Masters, but now he proposes that we colonize space to combat the > superviruses that will undoubtedly be created by this process! And since we can't freeze people to survive the interstellar journey, we need to build super-intelligent robots to grow humans from frozen embryos, then raise and train them, when the spaceship reaches a suitable planet. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 16 10:56:58 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <87elo3h29q.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011015115338.F13113@zork.net> <20011015121504.A812@zork.net> <20011015160457.B28492@zgp.org> <87elo3h29q.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011016105658.C18927@zgp.org> begin Mr. Bad quotation of Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:24:01AM -0700: > Hey, so, when the hell _is_ SXSW? I've never been, want to try and > drop in. March 8-17, 2002. See you there. http://www.sxsw.com/ -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 16 11:07:31 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> References: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016130731.H13426@tastytronic.net> Quoting Nick Moffitt: > So first Hawking says that we must alter our DNA to defeat the Robot > Masters, but now he proposes that we colonize space to combat the > superviruses that will undoubtedly be created by this process! ---- A Star Trek-style ``warp drive'' might be one way to relieve the tedium of lengthy journeys between stars in spacecraft traveling below the speed of light, Hawking said. ---- "I'm giving her all she's got, and I can't see a darn thing through this banana clip on my face!" -- Ben Franklin pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Oct 16 12:39:52 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Circuses In-Reply-To: <20011013093208.D13113@zork.net> References: <20011013234026.A10547@anu.edu.au> <20011013093208.D13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016123952.Z7276@zork.net> Monkey Master writes: > begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > > I was looking for an elise or kath or somebody else Nick knows who > > dug Kafka, but the juice was not strong. > > It was the very artist who owns the crackmonkey image: > http://zork.net/~patty/ "Pol-i-cy not prop-er-ty! Pol-i-cy not prop-er-ty!" -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 16 13:06:28 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011015223020.N4669@linuxmafia.com> References: Message-ID: At 22.30 -0700 01-10-15, Rick Moen wrote: >begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: >> The infamous Rick Moen - now more net frequency than Ivil Bert: >> http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/style/0013.html >Ask about franchise opportunities in _your_ area. You must have been picking my brain again. I was just considering opening a Rick Moen of my own. What do you think of the corner of Sveavagen and Kungsgatan? Or is that just to obvious? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From pawal at blipp.com Tue Oct 16 13:07:09 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > >> The infamous Rick Moen - now more net frequency than Ivil Bert: > >> http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/style/0013.html > >Ask about franchise opportunities in _your_ area. > > You must have been picking my brain again. I was just considering opening a > Rick Moen of my own. What do you think of the corner of Sveavagen and > Kungsgatan? Or is that just to obvious? Hey, that location has four corners! -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 16 13:13:41 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 22.07 +0200 01-10-16, Patrik Wallstrom wrote: >> >> The infamous Rick Moen - now more net frequency than Ivil Bert: >> >> http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/style/0013.html >> >Ask about franchise opportunities in _your_ area. >> You must have been picking my brain again. I was just considering opening a >> Rick Moen of my own. What do you think of the corner of Sveavagen and >> Kungsgatan? Or is that just to obvious? >Hey, that location has four corners! Yes, that is indeed a problem with crossings. m _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 16 14:41:01 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> References: <20011009211935.B16261@zgp.org> <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > We were talking about Seattle here. They already have in-house > monorail expertise. They have a small shop devoted to maintaining two trains that run a line of about one mile in either direction. That is *not* expertise. The Alweg corporation that built the things has long gone, or moved on to paperclips or something. > And "cheaper"? The Seattle monorail system is the only urban > transportation system in the US that makes a profit. Largely because it is *not* a transportation system. It's just another ride at Seattle Center. > Even assuming futre R&D is necessary, let the Las Vegas private > sector handle it, man. > > http://www.lvnvmonorail.com/ Yes! They can develop EVEN MORE tiny tracks that don't go anywhere! > The Seattle monorail has never even had to replace a rail. > http://www.monorail.org/brochure.html > > If it works, extend it! Taken from the above URL: > It's pollution-free, quiet, and because it's elevated, won't get > stuck in traffic or get into accidents. It's fast - the current > Monorail covers one mile in ninety seconds. Gosh! That's almost 45 miles per hour! What a SPEED DEMON! And it's *pollution-free*! That means they must use solar power! HOW ADVANCED! I know! Let's extend the TEACUP RIDE to a fully-fledged transportation system! It works, you know! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 16 14:43:18 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> References: <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016144318.W13113@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > Taken from the above URL: > > It's pollution-free, quiet, and because it's elevated, won't get > > stuck in traffic or get into accidents. It's fast - the current > > Monorail covers one mile in ninety seconds. Another good one: > This proposed Monorail system will have no operators (like > Vancouver's Skytrain); there is nothing to run into, so you don't > need drivers. Drivers are 80% of the cost of any system. The > Monorail will make money. Yeah, no drivers! Just like BART! Oh wait, that didn't work.. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 16 15:57:44 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011016155744.Y13113@zork.net> HAHAHAHA. I suppose "daemonrift" was TAKEN? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- deamonrift@yahoo.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 16 16:29:40 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: ; from ryan@nwgeeks.com on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 05:19:35PM +0000 References: <20011016080907.M13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016182940.C1828@magic.umn.edu> You know, it's bad enough when people put their reply above the quoted text, but when they put their .signature above their quoted reply, that's just wrong. -- Brian Hicks "Crush the lesser races! Conquer the PGP: 0xADDD1F16 galaxy! Incredible power, unlimited rice pudding, et cetera, et cetera." -- The Doctor From jaq at spacepants.org Tue Oct 16 17:57:30 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Official Ayn Rand Simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011017105730.A18306@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, James Morris wrote: >Version 1.0 of the Official Ayn Rand Simulator is now available at: > >http://www.intercode.com.au/jmorris/misc/aynrand-1.0.tar.gz In the time-honoured spacepants tradition of packaging up junk for Debian, binary packages for i386 and source for aynrand is now available at deb http://spacepants.org/debian ./ -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 16 18:02:43 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011016155744.Y13113@zork.net> References: <20011016155744.Y13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016200243.N13426@tastytronic.net> Quoting Nick Moffitt: > HAHAHAHA. > > I suppose "daemonrift" was TAKEN? Nono, his name is "D. Eamon Rift". He's british. pedro From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 16 18:56:59 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] markets are conversations Message-ID: <20011016185659.A2100@zgp.org> Microsoft uses qmail to send blank mail. Do you? ----- Forwarded message from bCentral Bulletin ----- Return-Path: Delivered-To: electriclichen@zgp.org Received: from barley.electriclichen.com (ip-216-73-169-226.hqglobal.net [216.73.169.226]) by capsicum.zgp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772283FC04 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lbrout16.listbuilder.com ([204.71.191.6]) by barley.electriclichen.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA03104 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:38:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 77632 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2001 21:52:52 -0000 Date: 16 Oct 2001 21:52:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1003269172.37232.qmail@ech> To: List Member Reply-To: bcentral_bulletin-feedback-585@lb.bcentral.com From: "bCentral Bulletin" Subject: Microsoft bCentral Bulletin for Oct. 16, 2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_alistboundary123" Content-Length: 68787 Lines: 1703 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=11582&subid=C2EB620D5E0CABE7&msgnum=585 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 16 19:21:18 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> References: <20011009213815.A21898@zork.net> <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 02:41:01PM -0700: > They have a small shop devoted to maintaining two trains that > run a line of about one mile in either direction. That is *not* > expertise. The Alweg corporation that built the things has long gone, > or moved on to paperclips or something. Maintaining something in the absence of the original vendor doesn't count as expertise? Any Certified Light Rail Mechanic can pick up a current service manual and part catalog; forging monorail parts in a "small shop" with just an anvil and tongs, that's expertise. > Largely because it is *not* a transportation system. It's > just another ride at Seattle Center. Aha! Now I get it! Monorails are too _fun_, too Tomorrowland for you -- in order to have a serious metropolitan reputation, Seattle needs boring Gap-khakis-wearing serious Light Rail, not some propeller-beanie wearing amusement park ride. So what are these safety advantages of Light Rail that monorail doesn't have, anyway? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 16 22:35:35 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] imperialists vs. technoliberarians cage bout! Message-ID: <20011016223535.C5855@zgp.org> Woo hoo! Go git im! ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:46:42 -0700 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Duncan Frissell replies to NYT column bashing Silicon Valley To: politech@politechbot.com Cc: frissell@panix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Sender: owner-politech@politechbot.com Reply-To: declan@well.com X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ X-Author: Declan McCullagh is at http://www.mccullagh.org/ X-News-Site: Cluebot is at http://www.cluebot.com/ [Below Duncan replies to Thomas Friedman's column paragraph-by-paragraph. The formatting is a little tricky to follow, with the NYT excerpts bracketed by tags, but consistent. --Declan] ********* Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:42:54 -0400 To: declan@well.com From: Duncan Frissell Subject: How many Divisions does Silicon Valley Have? A few weeks ago in the New York Times, the foreign affairs columnist Thomas L. Friedman attacked Techno-Libertarians for their lack of a sufficiently bellicose foreign policy. April 18, 1998, Saturday Section: Editorial Desk Techno-Nothings By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN I don't think I like Silicon Valley. That's all right, Silicon Valley doesn't like you either. Here's why: I'm as impressed as anyone with the technologies that Silicon Valley is producing and the way they are changing how we must think about economic power and how nations interact. But what is so striking about Silicon Valley is that it has become so enamored of its innovative and profit-making prowess that it has completely lost sight of the overall context within which this is taking place. It has not "lost sight of the ... context" so much as it sees the context all too well and has rejected it utterly. There is a disturbing complacency here toward Washington, government and even the nation. There is no geography in Silicon Valley, or geopolitics. There are only stock options and electrons. I wouldn't call it "complacency" so much as "rejection." Techno-libertarians (the true targets of this piece) are quite aggressive in rejecting Washington. When I asked an all-too-typical tech-exec here when was the last time he talked about Iraq or Russia or foreign wars, he answered: "Not more than once a year. We don't even care about Washington. Money is extracted from Silicon Valley and then wasted by Washington. I want to talk about people who create wealth and jobs. I don't want to talk about unhealthy and unproductive people. If I don't care enough about the wealth-destroyers in my own country, why would I care about the wealth- destroyers in another country?" Sounds like a perfectly straight-forward political position to me. Libertarians have always been anti-war and anti "entangling alliances.", even back during WWII. Leftists used to be anti-war as well but some of them have strayed from that position. Someone has to keep it up. What's wrong with this picture is that all the technologies Silicon Valley is designing to carry digital voices, videos and data farther and faster around the world, all the trade and financial integration it is promoting through its innovations, and all the wealth it is generating, is happening in a world stabilized by a benign superpower called the United States of America, with its capital in Washington D.C. Armed neutrality is a perfectly acceptable foreign policy. Super power and nation state politics have murdered 170 million human beings in this century alone (http://www.laissezfaire.org/pl7366.html). Until an alternative racked up that quantity of dead, we'd be well ahead of the game. Some people just don't like super powers -- however benign. The hidden hand of the global market would never work without the hidden fist. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley's technologies to flourish is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps (with the help, incidentally, of global institutions like the U.N. and the International Monetary Fund). And those fighting forces and institutions are paid for by all the tax dollars that Washington is "wasting" every year. The *UN* and the *IMF* give me a break. There is little evidence that if those two disappeared anyone would notice save those who would miss a paycheck. As for the U.S. armed forces, there is no doubt that it is very convenient to have well-trained and equipped troops available from time to time but that says nothing about the organizational form that produces such forces. The U.S. military is impressive but it is also inefficient and expensive. A few years ago, the Economist (in one of its "Survey's of Defence" proposed an international regiment to suppress insurgency. Such an institution could be public or corporate. A mercenary regiment independent of national bureaucracies could produce a very effective force that could suppress "commerce raiding" without the high costs and risks involved government armed forces. A private "82nd Airborne", equipped with off-the-shelf technology, which would focus on the bottom line both in terms of money and men, could give everyone the protection they need without the high cost and high death rate associated with government armed forces. An armed civilian population in any country that would trust its subjects with arms would make any attack even more costly. Because of the intense competition here among companies, and the continuous flood of new products, there is a saying in Silicon Valley that "loyalty is just one mouse-click away." But you can take that too far. Execs here say things like: "We are not an American company. We are I.B.M. U.S., I.B.M. Canada, I.B.M. Australia, I.B.M. China." Oh yeah? Well, the next time you get in trouble in China, then call Li Peng for help. And the next time Congress closes another military base in Asia -- and you don't care because you don't care about Washington -- call Microsoft's navy to secure the sea lanes of Asia. And the next time the freshmen Republicans want to close more U.S. embassies, call America Online when you lose your passport. The techno-libertarians of Silicon Valley don't believe in passports. They are working to eliminate such inefficiencies. If government or private piracy picks up again on the "sea lanes to Asia", a simple restoration of licensed privateers could end that problem. Maybe Russia's Northern Fleet could find something more useful to do as privateers than they are now sitting around drinking, contemplating suicide, and juggling Russia's largest cache of nukes. Note that US Naval vessels can't sail these days without civilian electronics techs (contractors) to maintain and operate the intelligence and weapons systems. Privatizing the rest of the system is not as big a step as most people think. Mercenaries and privateers have a long history and can be easily put back to work. Note too that in spite of their reputation, mercenaries and privateers have (by any measure) killed fewer civilians and overthrown fewer governments than have military forces consisting of government employees. Harry Saal, a successful Silicon Valley engineer, venture capitalist and community activist -- an exception to the norm -- remarked to me: "If you ask people here what their affiliation is, they will name their company. Many live and work on a company campus. The leaders of these companies don't have any real understanding of how a society operates and how education and social services get provided for. People here are not involved in Washington policy because they think the future will be set by technology and market forces alone and eventually there will be a new world order based on electrons and information." The denizens of the Valley are well aware of how "education and social services" *fail* to "get provided for". They have to try and hire the illiterate output. Arguing the domestic policy success of government is even rougher than arguing its foreign policy success. They're exactly half right. I've had a running debate with a neo-Reaganite foreign-policy writer, Robert Kagan, from the Carnegie Endowment, about the impact of economic integration and technology on geopolitics. He says I overestimate its stabilizing effects; I say he underestimates it. We finally agreed that unless you look at both geotechnology and geopolitics you can't explain (or sustain) this relatively stable moment in world history. But Silicon Valley's tech-heads have become so obsessed with bandwidth they've forgotten balance of power. They've forgotten that without America on duty there will be no America Online. "The people in Silicon Valley think it's a virtue not to think about history because everything for them is about the future," argued Mr. Kagan. "But their ignorance of history leads them to ignore that this explosion of commerce and trade rests on a secure international system, which rests on those who have the power and the desire to see that system preserved." This is a fascinating historical debate but it can't have much to say about future security policy. We know that periods dominated by markets (the mid-19th century for example) have fewer wars while periods dominated by governments (most of the 20th century) have more wars. The record of nation states in managing conflict is not one designed to make us confident of future peace. Alternative methods of social organization have at least as great a chance at keeping the murder rate in the 21st Century a bit lower than the murder rate during this past Century of Blood. DCF "God fights on the side with the heaviest artillery. These days, adhocracies have the heaviest artillery." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From sneakums at zork.net Wed Oct 17 00:37:01 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011016130731.H13426@tastytronic.net> ("Peter A. Peterson II"'s message of "Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:07:31 -0500") References: <20011016095902.S13113@zork.net> <20011016130731.H13426@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Peter A Peterson quotation: > > Quoting Nick Moffitt: >> So first Hawking says that we must alter our DNA to defeat the Robot >> Masters, but now he proposes that we colonize space to combat the >> superviruses that will undoubtedly be created by this process! > > [Comrade Pedrovich quoting the same article] > A Star Trek-style ``warp drive'' might be one way to relieve the > tedium of lengthy journeys between stars in spacecraft traveling > below the speed of light, Hawking said. Interesting. The "warp drive" is suppposedly a faster-than-light transporation enabler; since such a device cannot work, how will it relieve the tedium? Hours of endless fun as tearful Star Trackers try to convince the other travellers that it really DID work on the show? -- "A cavalry would be a waste of time. Guys on bikes, that's the ticket!" -- Eamon de Valera From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 17 01:00:28 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > Interesting. The "warp drive" is suppposedly a faster-than-light > transporation enabler; since such a device cannot work, how will it > relieve the tedium? Hours of endless fun as tearful Star Trackers try > to convince the other travellers that it really DID work on the show? I wonder if Hawking is SO smart, if he can explain how the Tardis seems so much bigger from the inside. They've stolen this in Star Track with the Hollerdecks, and still nobody knows how it works. - James -- James Morris From sneakums at zork.net Wed Oct 17 01:03:14 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: (James Morris's message of "Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:00:28 +1000 (EST)") References: Message-ID: <6u669ey9q5.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: >> Interesting. The "warp drive" is suppposedly a faster-than-light >> transporation enabler; since such a device cannot work, how will it >> relieve the tedium? Hours of endless fun as tearful Star Trackers >> try to convince the other travellers that it really DID work on the >> show? > > I wonder if Hawking is SO smart, if he can explain how the Tardis > seems so much bigger from the inside. They've stolen this in Star > Track with the Hollerdecks, and still nobody knows how it works. The Tardis is fine British engineering; the Hollerdeck is just Las Vegas on the small. -- "Ah, the SCSL. The 'All your changes are belong to Sun' license". -- Eamon de Valera From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 17 03:14:48 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011017031448.S4669@linuxmafia.com> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > You must have been picking my brain again. I was just considering > opening a Rick Moen of my own. What do you think of the corner of > Sveavagen and Kungsgatan? Or is that just too obvious? Right underneath the "svampen" would be perfect. You could jack it right into the telephone cluster. -- Cheers, The Viking's Reminder: Rick Moen Pillage first, _then_ burn. rick@linuxmafia.com From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Oct 17 03:44:23 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011017031448.S4669@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011017031448.S4669@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011017204423.G17028@perkypants.org> > > I was just considering opening a Rick Moen of my own. > > Right underneath the "svampen" would be perfect. You could jack it right > into the telephone cluster. ^ a beowulf cluster of Ricks. Ricksy. - Jeff -- "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Oct 17 04:25:48 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Canadian Socialist Terrorism Message-ID: <20011017212548.I17028@perkypants.org> 'Kandahar, the citadel of Taliban power' Are they religious freaks, or desktop environment bigots? - Jeff -- Markets are what you sell bubbly health drinks, flourescent blow up furniture and mobile phone ring melodies to. From sneakums at zork.net Wed Oct 17 04:29:44 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Canadian Socialist Terrorism In-Reply-To: <20011017212548.I17028@perkypants.org> (Jeff Waugh's message of "Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:25:48 +1000") References: <20011017212548.I17028@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <6u1yk2y05z.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > 'Kandahar, the citadel of Taliban power' > Are they religious freaks, or desktop environment bigots? The concept of a 'desktop environment' is a typically decadent Western concept, and only one of many fat white worm-grubs munching through the festering gut of the infidel hemisphere. -- "Ah, the SCSL. The 'All your changes are belong to Sun' license". -- Eamon de Valera From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Oct 17 06:58:09 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, James Morris wrote: >On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > >> Interesting. The "warp drive" is suppposedly a faster-than-light >> transporation enabler; since such a device cannot work, how will it >> relieve the tedium? Hours of endless fun as tearful Star Trackers try >> to convince the other travellers that it really DID work on the show? > >I wonder if Hawking is SO smart, if he can explain how the Tardis seems >so much bigger from the inside. They've stolen this in Star Track with >the Hollerdecks, and still nobody knows how it works. This was explained in one of the Tom Baker episodes. "It's all to do with perspective." Get yourself a big cube and a small cube. Place the big cube far away, and the small cube close to your eye. See how the big cube can now be covered completely by the small cube -- the big cube can fit inside the small cube. Simple, huh? -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 17 07:02:57 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > Get yourself a big cube and a small cube. Place the big cube far away, and > the small cube close to your eye. See how the big cube can now be covered > completely by the small cube -- the big cube can fit inside the small cube. > Simple, huh? Ok then. Why does the moon appear to be larger at the horizon than when overhead? - James -- James Morris From j.wender at science-computing.de Wed Oct 17 07:09:03 2001 From: j.wender at science-computing.de (Jan Wender) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: References: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011017160903.A19593@leo.science-computing.de> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:02:57AM +1000, James Morris wrote: > Ok then. Why does the moon appear to be larger at the horizon than > when overhead? Because the horizon is nearer to the eye than overhead. Cheerio, -- J.Wender@science-computing.de - Fon +4970719457-257 Fax-211 science+computing ag - Hagellocher Weg 71-75 - 72070 T?bingen Enemies make the most interesting friends. (Sheryl Crow) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 16 19:05:04 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oi!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <877ktvf2cv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SM" == Sean Moffitt writes: SM> Apparently snookums's dreams are infested with javurpowered SM> vegemetarian lemon-driving tourist guy look-alikes. nefarious SM> ones at that. I should have killed you when I had the chance. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Yeah, yeah, yeah!" -- Roosevelt Franklin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sneakums at zork.net Wed Oct 17 07:31:44 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Oi!!! In-Reply-To: <877ktvf2cv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr. Bad's message of "16 Oct 2001 19:05:04 -0700") References: <877ktvf2cv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <6uvghewd67.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Bad quotation: >>>>> "SM" == Sean Moffitt writes: SM> Apparently snookums's dreams are infested with javurpowered SM> vegemetarian lemon-driving tourist guy look-alikes. nefarious SM> ones at that. > > I should have killed you when I had the chance. Don't worry, there's always the sequel. -- > "In the movies, when the president says, 'It's war,' that usually > means the good part is just about to begin," said hardware-store > owner Thom Garner of Cedar Rapids, IA. "Why doesn't it feel that > way now? It doesn't feel like the good part is about to begin at > all. It feels there's never going to be another good part again." -- The Onion From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 07:53:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> References: <20011009232136.T2545@linuxmafia.com> <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Maintaining something in the absence of the original vendor doesn't > count as expertise? Any Certified Light Rail Mechanic can pick up a > current service manual and part catalog; forging monorail parts in a > "small shop" with just an anvil and tongs, that's expertise. Yes, please. Let's all have a transit system forged in small shops by native craftsmen who take pride in their work. The rustic appeal of the rough-hewn parts will far outweigh the feeling of safety brought about by precision-engineered equipment. The two alweg cars never leave the track, and they never have to face a switch or stockyard. They're serviced at the Seattle Center station, even. This is not realistic experience for a proper transit system. > > Largely because it is *not* a transportation system. It's > > just another ride at Seattle Center. > > Aha! Now I get it! Monorails are too _fun_, too Tomorrowland > for you -- in order to have a serious metropolitan reputation, > Seattle needs boring Gap-khakis-wearing serious Light Rail, not > some propeller-beanie wearing amusement park ride. Exactly. They're ridden as a form of entertainment, and the expectations of service are different as a result. They never have to make a complicated multi-stop schedule, deal with switches, side tracks, or rush-hour crowds keeping the doors open and preventing them from leaving. They never have to offer monthly passes, appease city plutocrats, or pay for the right-of-way on new tracks. They go around in a circle, and are there for their own sake. > So what are these safety advantages of Light Rail that monorail > doesn't have, anyway? For one, the switching systems have been refined over a process of 150 years' work. Railway switches have been refined to prevent derailings and to switch in a minimum of time with no chance of a middle-position switch. Monorail switches will have to shove a huge middle rail over! On standard rail, a middle-position switch will usually be repaired by the weight of the front car's wheels. On a monorail, the side of the train will face a head-on collision with the exposed bit of central rail. The problems of braking systems on long metal-wheel-on-metal-rail trains were worked out ages ago, as well. the Key Transit system would engage the brakes if you passed through a single red and were approaching a double-red signal, as well as drop your speed to keep a safe distance from a car ahead of you. All this was done in the 1940s, without the complexity of computers. Systems such as these would have to be reengineered for monorail. We've seen total chaos trying to retrofit modern safety systems into older, non-standard rail stock. The Boeing Muni Metro cars are constantly wreaking havoc with the computer control system, while the Breda cars work like a charm. Boeing tried to reinvent the railway wheel at every turn (both in their BART and Metro contracts), while Breda is an experienced transit company. Off-the-shelf is the safest way to go. Track records speak for themselves. The Alweg monorail has had an impressive track record, but it has not had to perform the tasks of a proper transit system in the whole history of its existence. It has always been a glorified merry-go-round. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Oct 17 07:54:07 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org>; from jaq@spacepants.org on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 09:58:09 -0400 References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> And where does the Borg Cube go? Ruben <> nkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 17 08:14:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Weird comic Message-ID: <20011017081434.D13113@zork.net> http://www.e-sheep.com/spiders/ Ummm.... I'm not sure whether to be amused or apalled. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 08:16:24 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Weird comic In-Reply-To: <20011017081434.D13113@zork.net> References: <20011017081434.D13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017081624.E13113@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.e-sheep.com/spiders/ Interestingly enough, this is the same guy who did the excellent comics "The Guy I Almost Was" and "The Jain's Death". Both worth a read. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Oct 17 08:57:58 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011018015758.A21839@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: >And where does the Borg Cube go? Above the quoted text, as is the norm. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 17 09:12:07 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> References: <20011011214757.A10787@zgp.org> <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 07:53:15AM -0700: > Yes, please. Let's all have a transit system forged in small > shops by native craftsmen who take pride in their work. The rustic > appeal of the rough-hewn parts will far outweigh the feeling of safety > brought about by precision-engineered equipment. If the customer can fix it himself if he has to, he's less likely to get talked into an unfair service contract. > Monorail switches will have to shove a huge middle rail over! And they do, every day. http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/switch.html > The Alweg monorail has had an impressive track > record, but it has not had to perform the tasks of a proper transit > system in the whole history of its existence. So they should have built a longer one. The Tokyo-Haneda line, a 1964 ALWEG, has 10 stations and serves 200,000 passengers/day http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/TokyoH.html Put that in your pipe and smoke it. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 09:24:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> References: <20011011224507.I21898@zork.net> <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 07:53:15AM -0700: > > Yes, please. Let's all have a transit system forged in small > > shops by native craftsmen who take pride in their work. The > > rustic appeal of the rough-hewn parts will far outweigh the > > feeling of safety brought about by precision-engineered equipment. > > If the customer can fix it himself if he has to, he's less likely to > get talked into an unfair service contract. And using commodity rail parts allows one to start bidding wars on service contracts, while using proven technology. > > Monorail switches will have to shove a huge middle rail over! > > And they do, every day. > http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/switch.html Hooray for TWELVE SECOND SWITCH TIMES! That's almost as cool as the 45 MILES PER HOUR that the monorails travel at! What SPEED DEMONS! > > The Alweg monorail has had an impressive track record, but it has > > not had to perform the tasks of a proper transit system in the > > whole history of its existence. > > So they should have built a longer one. The Tokyo-Haneda line, a > 1964 ALWEG, has 10 stations and serves 200,000 passengers/day > http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/TokyoH.html Put that in your pipe > and smoke it. Ah, but you were not talking about the track record of the Haneda airport monorail. You were talking about the Seattle Center monorail. Does this system make a profit? Does it travel a mile in a miniscule one and a half minutes? Does it have the same rails it had in 1964? Has Elvis ever ridden it while making a movie? -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 17 10:02:52 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] fine and glorious patents Message-ID: <20011017100252.J13113@zork.net> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=10&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ft00&s1=HTML&OS=HTML&RS=HTML > A software tool is provided for use with a computer system for > simplifying the creation of Web sites. The tool comprises a > plurality of pre-stored templates, comprising HTML formatting code, > text, fields and formulas. The templates preferably correspond to > different types of Web pages and other features commonly found on or > available to Web sites. Each feature may have various options. To > create a web site, a Web site creator (the person using the tool to > create a web site) is prompted by the tool through a series of views > stored in the tool to select the features and options desired for > the Web site. Based on these selections, the tool prompts the web > site creator to supply data to populate fields of the templates > determined by the tool to correspond to the selected features and > options. Based on the identified templates and supplied data, the > tool generates the customized Web site without the web site creator > writing any HTML or other programming code. Based on roles-based, > multi-level security, certain users of the web site may have access > to certain information and others may not. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ryan at nwgeeks.com Wed Oct 17 10:05:43 2001 From: ryan at nwgeeks.com (Ryan Ordway) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:51 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, James Morris wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > > Get yourself a big cube and a small cube. Place the big cube far away, and > > the small cube close to your eye. See how the big cube can now be covered > > completely by the small cube -- the big cube can fit inside the small cube. > > Simple, huh? > > Ok then. Why does the moon appear to be larger at the horizon than > when overhead? As the moon rises from the horizon, it slowly shrinks as the atmosphere becomes thinner, that's why planes at cruising altitude look so tiny. Of course, the thinner atmosphere distorts your sight when at high altitudes, which is why when you're flying ground features don't look gargantuan. Simple physics. -- ryan@nwgeeks.com HELO... my name is root... you have SIGKILLed my father... prepare to vi! From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Oct 17 10:10:59 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011018015758.A21839@willow.spacepants.org>; from jaq@spacepants.org on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:57:58 -0400 References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011018015758.A21839@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011017131059.A16794@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Where it religiously belongs.... On 2001.10.17 11:57:58 -0400 Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: >And where does the Borg Cube go? Above the quoted text, as is the norm. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Oct 17 10:18:13 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Tourist Guy is Really Mr. Bad In-Reply-To: <877ktvf2cv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: On 16 Oct 2001, Mr. Bad wrote: > I should have killed you when I had the chance. You're just upset because I've let the world know that the TRUE IDENTITY OF THE TOURIST GUY IS EVAN PRODROMOU aka Mr. Bad. prepare the google juice. -- "I didn't say all the things I said." -- Ben Franklin From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Oct 17 10:39:06 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Tourist Guy is Really Mr. Bad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Sean Moffitt wrote: > You're just upset because I've let the world know that the TRUE IDENTITY > OF THE TOURIST GUY IS EVAN PRODROMOU aka Mr. Bad. wow, this is really true. It figures that the tourist guy photo would be a pigdog prank. http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q4/023819.html -- "gooooooooooooooooooooooogle" -- Ben Franklin From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 17 11:30:44 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87bsj6qfu3.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "JM" == James Morris writes: JM> Ok then. Why does the moon appear to be larger at the horizon JM> than when overhead? Optical illusion. The moon takes up the same area on the "sky globe" at the horizon as at its zenith. However, at the horizon, you have "earth things" to compare the moon with. Your vision system -- a fairly complex brain-and-eye collaboration -- uses the comparison to give the moon a relative size. Against the blankness of space, without a comparison, it seems smaller. There are interesting atmospheric effects that will affect the color, but not the size, of the moon at the horizon. ~Mr. Bad P.S. The name for the effect -- which I just looked up -- is the Ponzo Illusion. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Wed Oct 17 11:42:40 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011016200243.N13426@tastytronic.net> References: <20011016155744.Y13113@zork.net> <20011016200243.N13426@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011017194240.R20351@ummagumma> * Peter A. Peterson II (pedro@tastytronic.net) wrote: > Quoting Nick Moffitt: > > HAHAHAHA. > > > > I suppose "daemonrift" was TAKEN? > > Nono, his name is "D. Eamon Rift". He's british. I resemble that remark. Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From holo at ob1.beadpainter.org Wed Oct 17 11:45:52 2001 From: holo at ob1.beadpainter.org (ronnie) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <87bsj6qfu3.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>; from mr.bad@pigdog.org on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:30:44AM -0700 References: <87bsj6qfu3.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011017124552.A6846@ob1.beadpainter.org> http://www.unmuseum.org/exmoon.htm On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:30:44AM -0700, Mr . Bad wrote: > ~Mr. Bad > > P.S. The name for the effect -- which I just looked up -- is the Ponzo > Illusion. > From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Wed Oct 17 11:46:52 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: References: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011017194652.S20351@ummagumma> * James Morris (jmorris@intercode.com.au) wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > > Get yourself a big cube and a small cube. Place the big cube far away, and > > the small cube close to your eye. See how the big cube can now be covered > > completely by the small cube -- the big cube can fit inside the small cube. > > Simple, huh? > > Ok then. Why does the moon appear to be larger at the horizon than > when overhead? When it's on the horizon, the light has to pass through much more atmosphere to reach you, it's diffused, and so appears bigger. I feel bad for finishing this email without having offended anybody, so I'm going to throw in a quip about how that doesn't explain the size of your momma. Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 17 11:51:08 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> References: <20011012180357.A30978@zgp.org> <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 09:24:15AM -0700: > And using commodity rail parts allows one to start bidding > wars on service contracts, while using proven technology. Seattle owns the blueprints for every part of their monorail system, and they can have new parts or entire trains made locally. Actual photos of Seattle monorail manager with blueprints: http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Seattlepix6.html > Hooray for TWELVE SECOND SWITCH TIMES! Where the hell is that train? I've been waiting a whole 11 seconds! If only we had Light Rail instead of a monorail, they could run more frequently! -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Oct 17 11:56:51 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org>; from dmarti@zgp.org on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:51:08AM -0700 References: <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017145651.W16206@samurai.com> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:51:08AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Seattlepix6.html Stop spamming me with this monorail crap. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 17 12:22:54 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017145651.W16206@samurai.com> References: <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017145651.W16206@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011017122254.A27854@zgp.org> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 02:56:51PM -0400: > Stop spamming me with this monorail crap. Your mother rides light rail. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 17 12:33:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011017123334.K13113@zork.net> One wonders how all the yahoo weenies even find this place. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- cswarren@yahoo.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 12:35:18 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> References: <20011013101141.E13113@zork.net> <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Seattlepix6.html > > Copies have been made of the many ALWEG prints and they are still > > referred to for maintenance on the original trains. Glenn really > > made my eyebrows raise when he suggested that new trains could > > EASILY be fabricated and an entire system could be built from > > these blueprints. He notes that Seattle has many capable > > industries that would be able to it. I think this of great > > importance to anyone planning this type of monorail. Planners DO > > NOT necessarily need to be locked into using current suppliers of > > monorail trains. Look, if Monorail Malaysia can do it with a bus > > manufacturer...others can do it too. Monorail Malaysia is saving > > Kuala Lumpur millions of dollars doing it this way. Glenn says he > > knows where to get the parts! Hooray! Contract out to Boeing! They know nothing about trains, too! > > Hooray for TWELVE SECOND SWITCH TIMES! > > Where the hell is that train? I've been waiting a whole 11 seconds! > If only we had Light Rail instead of a monorail, they could run > more frequently! Or they wouldn't have to slow down to wait for high-latency switches. Oh wait, I forgot, they only go 45MPH. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 12:37:24 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017124552.A6846@ob1.beadpainter.org> References: <87bsj6qfu3.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011017124552.A6846@ob1.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <20011017123724.M13113@zork.net> begin ronnie quotation: > http://www.unmuseum.org/exmoon.htm Yay for oculomotor micropsia! -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 12:37:52 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017194652.S20351@ummagumma> References: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017194652.S20351@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011017123752.N13113@zork.net> begin Tom Giblet quotation: > I feel bad for finishing this email without having offended anybody, > so I'm going to throw in a quip about how that doesn't explain the > size of your momma. Maybe you could shrink your penguin again. I'd let you inflate it again later. -- "The only thing is certain: Russian petty computer hooligans are very slovenly, while FBI agents are very persistent in hunting them." --Pravda 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 17 12:43:11 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011017031448.S4669@linuxmafia.com> References: Message-ID: At 03.14 -0700 01-10-17, Rick Moen wrote: >> You must have been picking my brain again. I was just considering >> opening a Rick Moen of my own. What do you think of the corner of >> Sveavagen and Kungsgatan? Or is that just too obvious? >Right underneath the "svampen" would be perfect. You could jack it >right into the telephone cluster. I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Wed Oct 17 12:45:09 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017123752.N13113@zork.net> References: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017194652.S20351@ummagumma> <20011017123752.N13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017204509.T20351@ummagumma> * Monkey Master (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org) wrote: > begin Tom Giblet quotation: > > I feel bad for finishing this email without having offended anybody, > > so I'm going to throw in a quip about how that doesn't explain the > > size of your momma. > > Maybe you could shrink your penguin again. I'd let you > inflate it again later. How very freudian... * Monkey Master (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org) wrote: > Sorry Giblet, the correct response is "Gross. No." Gross. No. Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 12:46:53 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011017124653.O13113@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners. Brilliant! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 17 12:57:29 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> References: <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 12:35:18PM -0700: > Hooray! Contract out to Boeing! They know nothing about > trains, too! Boeing isn't the only company in Seattle. And do you want truly generic parts or just "anybody but Boeing"? > Or they wouldn't have to slow down to wait for high-latency > switches. Oh wait, I forgot, they only go 45MPH. Build a system with trains that run every 11 seconds and I'll ride it. Otherwise I'll watch the switch do its thing while I wait for the train. How fast does Light Rail go, in a real urban system? The Seattle ALWEG can go up to 60mph, it just doesn't get up to that speed on the current short route: http://www.alweg.com/page521418.htm And monorails are a force for _peace_. http://www.alweg.com/page424727.htm Don't you like peace? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 13:04:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> References: <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017130412.Q13113@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Boeing isn't the only company in Seattle. And do you want truly > generic parts or just "anybody but Boeing"? You're right. There's Adobe and Microsoft, too! They know nothing about trains as well! > How fast does Light Rail go, in a real urban system? BART, which is a boondoggle of a system, goes 80MPH through the transbay tube, and is rated to go much faster. That's nearly twice your fancy little monorail, and it's a poorly-engineered system to boot. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Oct 17 13:16:17 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017131059.A16794@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 01:10:59PM -0400 References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011018015758.A21839@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017131059.A16794@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011017131617.O8949@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 01:10:59PM -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > Where it religiously belongs.... > Don't make me cut you. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Oct 17 13:20:05 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> References: <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 12:35:18PM -0700: > > > Hooray! Contract out to Boeing! They know nothing about > > trains, too! > > Boeing isn't the only company in Seattle. And do you want truly > generic parts or just "anybody but Boeing"? > > > Or they wouldn't have to slow down to wait for high-latency > > switches. Oh wait, I forgot, they only go 45MPH. > > Build a system with trains that run every 11 seconds and I'll > ride it. Otherwise I'll watch the switch do its thing while I wait > for the train. > > How fast does Light Rail go, in a real urban system? The Seattle > ALWEG can go up to 60mph, it just doesn't get up to that speed on > the current short route: http://www.alweg.com/page521418.htm > > And monorails are a force for _peace_. > http://www.alweg.com/page424727.htm > > Don't you like peace? By shrinking time and distance, improved transportation facilities will bring the peoples of the world closer together in ways of living, customs and language. Thus they will be a force for peace. Mass-minded understanding of each other's problems, needs and anticipations will tend to encourage the erasure of the barriers of nationalism and substitute therefore an environment of peaceful endeavor among men. The Internet was supposed to do that too, but al Qaeda didn't get net access fast enough, or they got it too quickly, or something. I think exchanges of students are probably more effective at promoting world peace than are monorails. In my high school, I remember that a Pakistani and an Indian (South Asian) student were roommates in my dorm. Rather than killing one another in the hills of Kashmir, they were friends and helped each other order pizzas. Aside from the financial difficulties of sending everybody on exchange programs, the families which would be willing to send their kids to study in a particular place are probably already extremely pro-that place, so that Shayan's parents were probably _not_ particularly anti-American to start. Certainly the Korean kids' parents were extremely pro-American, and had been since the missionaries first made contact with their grandparents in the late 1800s. This is part of the problem with the idea that better travel and communications will lead to peace: the people who want to travel somewhere are rarely the people who wanted to fight a war against that place to begin with. The overwhelming majority of tourism is to "friendly" and "safe" corners of the world, with cultural and often political and racial affinities to the tourist's home country. And largely that's also what happens with telecommunications. It seems to me that just talking about religious and cultural differences with people is not enough to prevent you from wanting to kill them (even though it feels as though it _should_ be). Lots of interreligious dialogue on the Internet is proselytizing, apologetics, polemics, propaganda, and so on, which I think are great, but not always a force for peace. However, going for pizza with other people _is_ a more substantive force for peace, because it leads inexorably to the realization that your pizza-sharer is a real person like yourself. Don, surely you remember the Goliard Scholarship? http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~goliard/ This, I think, is the sort of thing we need more of in order to promote peace. Maybe monorails can help by keeping Goliard students' costs down. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From jack at xiph.org Wed Oct 17 13:27:19 2001 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017130412.Q13113@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 01:04:12PM -0700 References: <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> <20011017130412.Q13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017142719.L10106@i.cantcode.com> > You're right. There's Adobe and Microsoft, too! They know > nothing about trains as well! Ahem. Microsoft Train Simulator. jack. From pawal at blipp.com Wed Oct 17 13:30:49 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017142719.L10106@i.cantcode.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > You're right. There's Adobe and Microsoft, too! They know > > nothing about trains as well! > > Ahem. Microsoft Train Simulator. That's only theory. But on the other hand, all trains will be virtual in the future. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 17 13:37:47 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> References: <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017133747.R13113@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > This, I think, is the sort of thing we need more of in order to > promote peace. Maybe monorails can help by keeping Goliard > students' costs down. I spit on your well-reasoned arguments, and demand increased invective! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Oct 17 13:39:17 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017133747.R13113@zork.net> References: <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> <20011017133747.R13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017133917.S27704@zork.net> Monkey Master writes: > begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > > This, I think, is the sort of thing we need more of in order to > > promote peace. Maybe monorails can help by keeping Goliard > > students' costs down. > > I spit on your well-reasoned arguments, and demand increased > invective! Wafna! Wafna! Wafna! -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Oct 17 13:47:08 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011017134708.T27704@zork.net> Mr. Bad writes: > >>>>> "RM" == Rick Moen writes: > > RM> I'm willing to bet that he _was_ here, but he just suffered an > RM> accidental reboot, and it took that long for his kernel to run > RM> "init=/usr/bin/emacs". > > Oh, har de har har. We all know I run "init=/usr/bin/yes", for > security reasons. I think that's a security risk, because "yes" doesn't prompt you for any authentication. You ought to run "sh -c read" for better security: the system will then wait for a password, guaranteeing that users can't obtain access without the proper credentials, and then your init program will exit, guaranteeing that users can't obtain access with the proper credentials. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 17 14:04:58 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> References: <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017140458.Z4669@linuxmafia.com> begin Don Marti Uses GIFs on the Sly quotation: > Boeing isn't the only company in Seattle. And do you want truly > generic parts or just "anybody but Boeing"? "Anybody but Boeing" looks mighty fine, from my perspective. Make them disgorge McDonnell Douglas and die, I say. -- Cheers, My pid is Inigo Montoya. You kill -9 Rick Moen my parent process. Prepare to vi. rick@linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 17 14:10:12 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: CrackMonkey digest, Vol 1 #1150 - 19 msgs In-Reply-To: <20011017134708.T27704@zork.net> References: <20011012165634.C21898@zork.net> <87sncofc5e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011012232411.I8949@dasbistro.com> <20011012235152.B2545@linuxmafia.com> <87n12v73hi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20011017134708.T27704@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017141012.A4669@linuxmafia.com> begin Seth David Schoen quotation: > I think that's a security risk, because "yes" doesn't prompt you for > any authentication. Yes. At a minimum, run "init=/usr/bin/yes" as a non-privileged user in a chroot jail. -- Cheers, "Not using Microsoft products is like being a non-smoker Rick Moen 40 or 50 years ago: You can choose not to smoke, yourself, rick@linuxmafia.com but it's hard to avoid second-hand smoke." -- M. Tiemann From jope at jope.net Wed Oct 17 15:16:42 2001 From: jope at jope.net (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Seth David Schoen wrote: > However, going for pizza with other people _is_ a more substantive > force for peace, because it leads inexorably to the realization that > your pizza-sharer is a real person like yourself. Unless there's only one piece left. Then it's every man for himself! From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 17 15:15:50 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> References: <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017151550.C2154@zgp.org> begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 01:20:05PM -0700: > I think exchanges of students are probably more effective at promoting > world peace than are monorails. In my high school, I remember that a > Pakistani and an Indian (South Asian) student were roommates in my > dorm. Rather than killing one another in the hills of Kashmir, they > were friends and helped each other order pizzas. Beef or pork? > This is part of the problem with the idea that better travel and > communications will lead to peace: the people who want to travel > somewhere are rarely the people who wanted to fight a war against that > place to begin with. The overwhelming majority of tourism is to > "friendly" and "safe" corners of the world, with cultural and often > political and racial affinities to the tourist's home country. And > largely that's also what happens with telecommunications. No match for "MANDATORYRANDOMTRAVELFORPEACE.ORG". > This, I think, is the sort of thing we need more of in order to > promote peace. Maybe monorails can help by keeping Goliard students' > costs down. An electric bus system is the best tool for a combined travel/pizza infastructure. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From aaronl at vitelus.com Wed Oct 17 15:40:33 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> References: <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011017154033.A26635@vitelus.com> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 12:35:18PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > Hooray! Contract out to Boeing! They know nothing about > trains, too! No. They made a 707 that was KNOWN DEFECTIVE before it left the factory!!!!! From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Oct 17 15:52:02 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017151550.C2154@zgp.org> References: <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017125729.C28410@zgp.org> <20011017132005.Q27704@zork.net> <20011017151550.C2154@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011017155202.V27704@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 01:20:05PM -0700: > > > I think exchanges of students are probably more effective at promoting > > world peace than are monorails. In my high school, I remember that a > > Pakistani and an Indian (South Asian) student were roommates in my > > dorm. Rather than killing one another in the hills of Kashmir, they > > were friends and helped each other order pizzas. > > Beef or pork? Pork, if I remember correctly, from Domino's. > No match for "MANDATORYRANDOMTRAVELFORPEACE.ORG". Lewis Thomas suggests in one of his books that the way to avoid nuclear war is to station many U.S. soldiers on Russian trains and many Russian soldiers on U.S. trains, and let them travel constantly throughout the countryside. Then if you made a first strike, you would probably kill many of your own soldiers. This brings us back to the use of trains for peace. No match for "TRAINSFORPEACE.ORG". -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From rillian at telus.net Wed Oct 17 18:15:06 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <90D0EF96-C365-11D5-9F08-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> On Wednesday, October 17, 2001, at 12:37 , Sean Neakums wrote: > Interesting. The "warp drive" is suppposedly a faster-than-light > transporation enabler; since such a device cannot work, how will it > relieve the tedium? Hours of endless fun as tearful Star Trackers try > to convince the other travellers that it really DID work on the show? What rock have you been under for the last 7 seasons? Do try to keep up. -r From jaq at spacepants.org Wed Oct 17 18:59:49 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: References: <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011018115949.A27068@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, James Morris wrote: >On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > >> Get yourself a big cube and a small cube. Place the big cube far away, and >> the small cube close to your eye. See how the big cube can now be covered >> completely by the small cube -- the big cube can fit inside the small cube. >> Simple, huh? > >Ok then. Why does the moon appear to be larger at the horizon than >when overhead? By Sheer Coincidence[1], this question appeared on the Dr Karl segment on JJJ today. You can read some contributed answers at: http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/guestlst/guestbook.pl Sift through the cruft about the carbos and eye colour. [1] Not a guarantee. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 17 19:13:16 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011018115949.A27068@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > By Sheer Coincidence[1], this question appeared on the Dr Karl segment on > JJJ today. You can read some contributed answers at: > http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/guestlst/guestbook.pl > Sift through the cruft about the carbos and eye colour. > > [1] Not a guarantee. > It is coincidence, this time. Although, someone asked him the question years ago, and he was stumped. The guestbook looks a bit fucked. Message to the Creator of this page Header file missing: Please ensure that a file called gbkhead.tpl is located in your guestbk directory There are no entries in the GuestBook. I don't listen to JJJ anymore, it's for children. Eventually one grows up and listens to Radio National. - James -- James Morris From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 17 22:05:30 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] apt-get install anarchism Message-ID: <20011017220530.A9970@zgp.org> ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:52:01 -0700 From: Owen Thomas Subject: D I T H E R A T I for 17 October 2001 To: ditherati@lists.ditherati.com Sender: ditherati-admin@lists.ditherati.com Reply-To: ditheratilist@ditherati.com D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily ANARCHY IN THE OS "Much of the security community handles [security vulnerabilities] in a way that fairly guarantees their use, by following a practice that's best described as information anarchy." Microsoft security manager Scott Culp, on his company's preference for information monarchy, Microsoft TechNet, 17 October 2001 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/columns/security/noarch.asp Ditherati appears daily on weekdays. An archive is online at http://www.ditherati.com/archive/ Quotes of note? Send 'em to . Want to advertise in Ditherati? Write to . Want off the list? Unsubscribe here: http://lists.ditherati.com/mailman/listinfo/ditherati/ Not able to use the Web form? Send email to: ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 18 00:34:54 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: (El JoPe Magnifico's message of "Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:16:42 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <6ur8s1wgdd.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin El JoPe Magnifico quotation: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Seth David Schoen wrote: >> However, going for pizza with other people _is_ a more substantive >> force for peace, because it leads inexorably to the realization >> that your pizza-sharer is a real person like yourself. > > Unless there's only one piece left. Then it's every man for himself! You are *so* 20th Century. Here in the future, we simply order another pizza. -- "It saddens me to see the nation I helped create whore itself out to manufacturers of proprietary software." -- Eamon de Valera From sharkey at zoic.org Thu Oct 18 03:28:10 2001 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Weird comic In-Reply-To: <20011017081624.E13113@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 08:16:24AM -0700 References: <20011017081434.D13113@zork.net> <20011017081624.E13113@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011018202810.B16640@dwerryhouse.com.au> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 08:16:24AM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > > http://www.e-sheep.com/spiders/ Realist? Topical? Dialog? That's, like, so IPv4. http://www.demian5.com/ Okay, so a little hard on the animated .gifs though. > Interestingly enough, this is the same guy who did the > excellent comics "The Guy I Almost Was" and "The Jain's Death". Both > worth a read. ... but no horny camels or pictographic conversations. -----sharks From jaq at spacepants.org Thu Oct 18 06:18:47 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: References: <20011018115949.A27068@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011018231847.B28160@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, James Morris wrote: >I don't listen to JJJ anymore, it's for children. Eventually one grows up >and listens to Radio National. Oh, I call it XMMS. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Oct 18 07:43:53 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011017131617.O8949@dasbistro.com>; from sam@dasbistro.com on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 16:16:17 -0400 References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011018015758.A21839@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017131059.A16794@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011017131617.O8949@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011018104353.C24492@www2.mrbrklyn.com> For every cutt is a paste..... <> -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 18 07:45:29 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017154033.A26635@vitelus.com> References: <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017123518.L13113@zork.net> <20011017154033.A26635@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011018074528.B9581@zork.net> begin Aaron Lehmann quotation: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 12:35:18PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > > Hooray! Contract out to Boeing! They know nothing about > > trains, too! > > No. They made a 707 that was KNOWN DEFECTIVE before it left the > factory!!!!! They also made BART! And it sucked for 15 years! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jope-crackmonkey at demonmonkey.com Thu Oct 18 08:44:26 2001 From: jope-crackmonkey at demonmonkey.com (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <6ur8s1wgdd.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > begin El JoPe Magnifico quotation: >> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Seth David Schoen wrote: >>> However, going for pizza with other people _is_ a more substantive >>> force for peace, because it leads inexorably to the realization >>> that your pizza-sharer is a real person like yourself. >> >> Unless there's only one piece left. Then it's every man for himself! > > You are *so* 20th Century. Here in the future, we simply order > another pizza. In the future, pizza is delivered by monorail. Which means there is an 11-minute track-switching lag during which primal hunter-gather instincts are likely to override rational thought. You may live in the future, but even then we'll still be savage troglodytes at heart. From aaronl at vitelus.com Thu Oct 18 09:14:23 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011018104353.C24492@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011018015758.A21839@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017131059.A16794@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011017131617.O8949@dasbistro.com> <20011018104353.C24492@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011018091422.B6533@vitelus.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:43:53AM -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 Fair use. Huh huh. From ryan at nwgeeks.com Thu Oct 18 09:20:33 2001 From: ryan at nwgeeks.com (Ryan Ordway) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:52 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, El JoPe Magnifico wrote: > > You are *so* 20th Century. Here in the future, we simply order > > another pizza. > > In the future, pizza is delivered by monorail. Which means there is > an 11-minute track-switching lag during which primal hunter-gather > instincts are likely to override rational thought. You may live in > the future, but even then we'll still be savage troglodytes at heart. Moo -- ryan@nwgeeks.com HELO... my name is root... you have SIGKILLed my father... prepare to vi! From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Oct 18 10:03:38 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: <20011018091422.B6533@vitelus.com>; from aaronl@vitelus.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:14:23 -0400 References: <6uelo2yaxu.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011017235809.A20915@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017105407.A15564@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011018015758.A21839@willow.spacepants.org> <20011017131059.A16794@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011017131617.O8949@dasbistro.com> <20011018104353.C24492@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011018091422.B6533@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011018130338.A25469@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Definetely..... On 2001.10.18 12:14:23 -0400 Aaron Lehmann wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:43:53AM -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 Fair use. Huh huh. _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 18 10:18:43 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: References: <6ur8s1wgdd.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011018101843.D24050@zgp.org> begin El JoPe Magnifico quotation of Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:44:26AM -0700: > In the future, pizza is delivered by monorail. Which means there is > an 11-minute track-switching lag during which primal hunter-gather > instincts are likely to override rational thought. You may live in > the future, but even then we'll still be savage troglodytes at heart. 11 minutes my ass. Monorail switches cycle in 12 _seconds_. If you schedule the trains right, a train will never need to wait for a switch, whether or not it carries pizza. Transportation and preparation time have already been the subject of much R&D; the big time lag that hasn't been addressed lies between the formation of a desire for pizza and the actual placing of the order. Permission-based predictive pizza pre-ordering will result in hot pizza -- pizza you wanted but hadn't verbalized your desire for -- arriving _before_ you think to make the call. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From jope-crackmonkey at demonmonkey.com Thu Oct 18 10:51:12 2001 From: jope-crackmonkey at demonmonkey.com (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011018101843.D24050@zgp.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Don Marti wrote: > begin El JoPe Magnifico quotation of Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:44:26AM -0700: >> In the future, pizza is delivered by monorail. Which means there is >> an 11-minute track-switching lag during which primal hunter-gather >> instincts are likely to override rational thought. You may live in >> the future, but even then we'll still be savage troglodytes at heart. > > 11 minutes my ass. Monorail switches cycle in 12 _seconds_. Minutes. Seconds. Whatever. =) Won't make much difference, since the pizza place is straight up the projected line from me, and based on the meeting last night, it sounds like a station is going to be in my friggin' back yard. As such, delivery time to me should be, oh, thirty seconds or less. > Permission-based predictive pizza pre-ordering will result in hot > pizza -- pizza you wanted but hadn't verbalized your desire for -- > arriving _before_ you think to make the call. Unfortunately, this does not take into account the Bad Andy Effect, which could wreak untold havoc on the JIT production system's responsiveness. From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 18 11:02:33 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Teasing an addict.] Message-ID: <20011018110233.D9581@zork.net> Goddamn Cringely! I'll poke his fucking eyes out! ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: Mike Karels ======================================================== ROBERT X. CRINGELY(R): "Notes from the Field" InfoWorld.com ======================================================== Monday, October 15, 2001 ... Life after the slammer I'm flooded daily with press releases, all of which get trashed. The rare exception was this one, although it also deserved that treatment. You remember famed hacker Kevin Mitnick, who emerged on probation from the slammer in January 2000? He's landed a gig on the new show Alias, airing Oct. 28 on ABC-TV (check your local listings). Now he's CIA agent Burnett, a computer expert. Yes, it's ironic, but the funny thing is that show's creators have "worked with probation officers to ensure they use only prop computers." Talk about teasing an addict. ... Copyright 2001 InfoWorld Media Group Inc. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From schoen at loyalty.org Thu Oct 18 13:47:12 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011018101843.D24050@zgp.org> References: <6ur8s1wgdd.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011018101843.D24050@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011018134712.F27704@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > Transportation and preparation time have already been the subject > of much R&D; the big time lag that hasn't been addressed lies > between the formation of a desire for pizza and the actual placing > of the order. > > Permission-based predictive pizza pre-ordering will result in hot > pizza -- pizza you wanted but hadn't verbalized your desire for -- > arriving _before_ you think to make the call. Study those Markov processes and Bayesian inference well, kids -- there may be a spot for _you_ in the predictive pizza pre-ordering process! -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 18 14:16:44 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Weird comic In-Reply-To: <20011018202810.B16640@dwerryhouse.com.au> References: <20011017081434.D13113@zork.net> <20011017081624.E13113@zork.net> <20011018202810.B16640@dwerryhouse.com.au> Message-ID: <20011018141644.E9581@zork.net> begin Nick 'Sharkey' Moore quotation: > http://www.demian5.com/ > > Okay, so a little hard on the animated .gifs though. Lameass proprietary Unisys format or no, that's the best damn comic on the exturnet! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 18 14:20:28 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Che! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 18 15:12:53 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011018134712.F27704@zork.net> References: <6ur8s1wgdd.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011018101843.D24050@zgp.org> <20011018134712.F27704@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011018151253.A27010@zgp.org> begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:47:12PM -0700: > Study those Markov processes and Bayesian inference well, kids -- > there may be a spot for _you_ in the predictive pizza pre-ordering > process! Seth, there's somebody at the door. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From schoen at loyalty.org Thu Oct 18 15:13:45 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011018151345.M27704@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > Che! > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu has been successfully subscribed to That domain is positively _rife_ with anagrams. wordplay sage.che.pitt.edu | tail -7 19690. TAUT SPICE HEDGE 19691. TAUT SPEC EDGE HI 19692. TAUT SPEC HEDGE I 19693. TAUT SPEC DIG HEE 19694. TAUT SPEC HID GEE 19695. TAUT CHI SEED PEG 19696. TAUT CHI SPED GEE -- Seth David Schoen | And do not say, I will study when I Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | have leisure; for perhaps you will down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | not have leisure. -- Pirke Avot 2:5 From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Oct 18 15:28:16 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... |Che! actually it's ChE chemical engineering. does mama's lil baby like the cramps too? -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 18 15:48:14 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011018154814.G9581@zork.net> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > actually it's ChE chemical engineering. REVOLUCION! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 18 15:52:55 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011018155255.B3007@zgp.org> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation of Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:28:16PM -0400: > actually it's ChE chemical engineering. So what's your opionion about the "degrease the steel wool in the crack pipe or not" flame war currently raging in the letters column of "Crack Aficionado" magazine? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Oct 18 16:25:53 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011018155255.B3007@zgp.org> Message-ID: Sometime in October Don Marti assaulted keyboard and produced... |begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation of Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:28:16PM -0400: | |> actually it's ChE chemical engineering. | |So what's your opionion about the "degrease the steel wool in the |crack pipe or not" flame war currently raging in the letters column |of "Crack Aficionado" magazine? the decrease in steel wool is probably a health measure. you would probably be better off using a carbon matrix in place of the steel wool. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 18 16:57:50 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20011018155255.B3007@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011018165750.B4811@zgp.org> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation of Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:25:53PM -0400: > the decrease in steel wool is probably a health measure. you would probably be > better off using a carbon matrix in place of the steel wool. A carbon matrix? Do you know how quickly that would burn up in a propane torch flame? Are you on...oh, never mind. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Oct 18 17:26:06 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011018165750.B4811@zgp.org> Message-ID: Sometime in October Don Marti assaulted keyboard and produced... |begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation of Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:25:53PM -0400: | |> the decrease in steel wool is probably a health measure. you would probably be |> better off using a carbon matrix in place of the steel wool. | |A carbon matrix? Do you know how quickly that would burn up in a |propane torch flame? Are you on...oh, never mind. carbon matricies are used as catalyst supports which operate at thousands of degrees. you just have to get the right structure. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From neale at woozle.org Thu Oct 18 17:31:03 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: harrold writes: > carbon matricies are used as catalyst supports which operate at > thousands of degrees. you just have to get the right structure. WORD! You wanna mess wid da ChemE? Step on up! Youze playin' in CHE.PITT territory now, fool*. * Gratuitous Mister T reference intentional From jaq at spacepants.org Thu Oct 18 19:42:27 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: References: <6ur8s1wgdd.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011019124227.A516@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, El JoPe Magnifico wrote: >In the future, pizza is delivered by monorail. ITYM "the Mafia, in under 20 minutes guaranteed." -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From jaq at spacepants.org Thu Oct 18 19:45:05 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011018154814.G9581@zork.net> References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> <20011018154814.G9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011019124505.B516@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: >> actually it's ChE chemical engineering. > > REVOLUCION! You need to cut down on the Moronic Acid in your diet. http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/MOTM/silly/sillymols.htm -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From carlos at laviola.org Thu Oct 18 20:50:13 2001 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011017194240.R20351@ummagumma> References: <20011016155744.Y13113@zork.net> <20011016200243.N13426@tastytronic.net> <20011017194240.R20351@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011019015013.C6093@ajato.com.br> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 07:42:40PM +0100, Tom Gilbert wrote: > * Peter A. Peterson II (pedro@tastytronic.net) wrote: > > Quoting Nick Moffitt: > > > HAHAHAHA. > > > > > > I suppose "daemonrift" was TAKEN? > > > > Nono, his name is "D. Eamon Rift". He's british. > > I resemble that remark. But you're ukranian. I'm the British. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ Who controls the past, controls the future. (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Who controls the present, controls the past. http://laviola.org icq #981913 -- George Orwell, "1984" From jmorris at intercode.com.au Thu Oct 18 21:45:22 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] British scientists in major mad cow test blunder Message-ID: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/19/world/world104.html " British scientists trying to find out if mad cow disease has infected the country's sheep have made a major blunder by testing the brains of cows instead of sheep, the government said today. The admission by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs that the five-years tests are faulty means that British consumers are no closer to knowing whether it is safe to eat lamb. [...] " -- James Morris From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Oct 18 22:33:48 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011019124505.B516@willow.spacepants.org>; from jaq@spacepants.org on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 22:45:05 -0400 References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> <20011018154814.G9581@zork.net> <20011019124505.B516@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011019013348.A31663@www2.mrbrklyn.com> When I was in Pharmacy School, we over dosed on Double Binary interlocking Aromatic Benzene Rings estherized onto Moronic Acid! It tastes JUST LIKE CHICKEN Ruben ________________ On 2001.10.18 22:45:05 -0400 Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Monkey Master wrote: >begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: >> actually it's ChE chemical engineering. > > REVOLUCION! You need to cut down on the Moronic Acid in your diet. http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/MOTM/silly/sillymols.htm -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From sam at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 19 01:30:09 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011019124227.A516@willow.spacepants.org>; from jaq@spacepants.org on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 12:42:27PM +1000 References: <6ur8s1wgdd.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011019124227.A516@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: <20011019013009.B12549@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 12:42:27PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, El JoPe Magnifico wrote: > >In the future, pizza is delivered by monorail. > > ITYM "the Mafia, in under 20 minutes guaranteed." > ... and then Hiro kicked Worf's Klingon butt, and Frodo and Chewbacca Morris danced. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Fri Oct 19 03:01:23 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] Message-ID: <20011019200122.A30342@anu.edu.au> ... ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:16:29 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh To: politech@politechbot.com Subject: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml Novel Security Measures A local man was kept off a recent flight because of a book he was carrying. by Gwen Shaffer Everyone knows it is a bad idea to try and board a plane carrying a box cutter, a flight manual written in Arabic, or a sack full of mysterious white powder. But with ultra-tightened airport security, a book could also prevent you from boarding that plane. No kidding. It happened just last week in Philadelphia. Neil Godfrey arrived at Philadelphia International Airport around 9:30 a.m. on Wed., Oct. 10. His brother's girlfriend dropped him off with plenty of time to spare before his 11:40 a.m. United Airlines flight. Godfrey was on his way to Phoenix, where his father lives. From there, the family was planning to head out for a vacation at Disneyland. It is fair to say that Godfrey -- brother of City Paper webmaster Ryan Godfrey -- doesn't look unusual for a 22-year-old kid living in Center City. His outfit that day was typical: black Dockers, a T-shirt with a logo for the now-defunct Phoenix Gazette newspaper and New Balance running shoes. He has a medium build, recently dyed jet-black hair and a quiet demeanor. When Godfrey stepped up to the ticket counter, the United clerk informed him he had been selected for a random baggage search. "No problem," he replied, going through the usual motions of checking his bag and getting a boarding pass. Now toting nothing but a novel and the most recent copy of The Nation magazine, Godfrey hiked through the concourse toward his boarding gate. As he passed through the metal detector, an airport security guard furrowed his brow at Godfrey's reading selections as they disappeared through the conveyor belt. On the cover of the book, Hayduke Lives! by Edward Abbey, is an illustration of a man's hand holding several sticks of dynamite. The 1991 novel is about a radical environmentalist, George Washington Hayduke III, who blows up bridges, burns tractors and sabotages other projects he believes are destroying the beautiful Southwest landscape. "For the first time, it occurred to me the book may be a problem," Godfrey recalls. He proceeded through the security checkpoint and sat down to read near his boarding gate. About 10 minutes had passed when a National Guardsman approached Godfrey. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Edward C. Lang: edward.lang@anu.edu.au | ___ ___ _ ___ | Programmer at the Centre for Bioinformation Science | / __| _ |_) __| | Telephone: 0419 415 850 (GSM) +61 2 6125 4717 | | (__| _ \ \__ \ | Postal: JCSMR, GPO Box 334 Canberra ACT 2601 | \___|___/_|___/ | From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 03:16:09 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011019200122.A30342@anu.edu.au> ("Edward C. Lang"'s message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:01:23 +1000") References: <20011019200122.A30342@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <6ubsj4vst2.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Edward C Lang Syne quotation: > ... Translation: it wouldn't happen in Austria because we burn evil books like those. -- "What they should do is try to get a whole nest of artificially intelligent kernels like ants or bees: ``Stop the hacker! He's going for the queen!'' And like a bunch of them start shutting down various systems ... it'd be like Death Star except without the explosions." -- Emad El-Haraty, on OS design. From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Fri Oct 19 03:53:05 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <6ubsj4vst2.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20011019200122.A30342@anu.edu.au> <6ubsj4vst2.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:16:09AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > begin Edward C Lang Syne quotation: > > > ... > > Translation: it wouldn't happen in Austria because we burn evil books > like those. > Response: Australia doesn't have n+1 guys who can legally bust your ass for doing something legal. Australia has this wonderful concept of "guilty until proven innocent." I suggest you and your fellow Merkins follow the lead of the Canooks in this particular area. At least the Canadians had the decency to be conquored by the English. Regards, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Fri Oct 19 04:00:25 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> References: <20011019200122.A30342@anu.edu.au> <6ubsj4vst2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011019210025.A30664@anu.edu.au> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:53:05PM +1000, Edward C. Lang wrote: > doing something legal. Australia has this wonderful concept of "guilty until > proven innocent." Uh... fuck. It seems I have dyslexia that strikes at the most inoppertune times. "innocent until proven guilty" "innocent until proven guilty" "innocent until proven guilty" "innocent until proven guilty" *beats head against desk* -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 04:02:38 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> ("Edward C. Lang"'s message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:53:05 +1000") References: <20011019200122.A30342@anu.edu.au> <6ubsj4vst2.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <6u7ktrx581.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Edward C Lang quotation: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:16:09AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: >> begin Edward C Lang Syne quotation: >> >> > ... >> >> Translation: it wouldn't happen in Austria because we burn evil books >> like those. > > Response: Australia doesn't have n+1 guys who can legally bust your > ass for doing something legal. Australia has this wonderful concept > of "guilty until proven innocent." As has been so ably demonstrated by its treatment of asylum-seekers. -- "Windows NT is 'case-distinguishing', but not 'case-preserving'. Translation: it's a lot like ass." -- Eamon de Valera From jmorris at intercode.com.au Fri Oct 19 05:05:01 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <6u7ktrx581.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Sean Neakums wrote: > > As has been so ably demonstrated by its treatment of asylum-seekers. > Or "queue jumpers" or "illegals" as the multitude of disaffected rednecks tend to call them, even though there is no such thing as a queue for asylum, or anything illegal about seeking asylum. Pity those who seek freedom in a country about to have an election. - James -- James Morris From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 05:52:00 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Sometime in October Edward C. Lang assaulted keyboard and produced... |On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:16:09AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: |> begin Edward C Lang Syne quotation: |> |> > ... |> |> Translation: it wouldn't happen in Austria because we burn evil books |> like those. |> | |Response: Australia doesn't have n+1 guys who can legally bust your ass for |doing something legal. Australia has this wonderful concept of "guilty until |proven innocent." I suggest you and your fellow Merkins follow the lead of the |Canooks in this particular area. | |At least the Canadians had the decency to be conquored by the English. | i dont know about the airline industry in au, but here they are not a part of the government. they are just regulated by the government. for this reason you dont have the same "rights" as you do with public services. this type of thing is self regulating. if they start treating enough people like this people will stop flying on that airline. saying we need to take a lesson from the floppy heads or a country founded by prisioners with bad teeth is silly. every country has issues similar to these. reguardless, us here 'merkins know we have the free'st country in the universe. you are simple pointing to incidents like these to make yourself feel better about the oppression that goes on in your country. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 06:01:52 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011019210025.A30664@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Sometime in October Edward C. Lang assaulted keyboard and produced... |On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:53:05PM +1000, Edward C. Lang wrote: |> doing something legal. Australia has this wonderful concept of "guilty until |> proven innocent." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^napoleanic code. |"innocent until proven guilty" we merikns have this too. it's just that corporations are _more_ innocent or _less_ guilty if you prefer. saying you have a concept and demonstrating it's use can be completely independent. i must profess ignorace to the legal history of australia, but i'm sure the above satement has been violated at least once in the past. i would also hazard to say that it will be violated in the future in both of our countries. i truely hope that in the future everyone will be considered innocent until proven guilty, but realistically i dont believe this will be the case. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 06:03:32 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:52:00 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: <6u1yjzwzmj.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin harrold quotation: > reguardless, us here 'merkins know we have the free'st country in > the universe Ah, common knowlege, the source of all truth. -- "Windows NT is 'case-preserving', but not 'case-distinguishing'. Translation: it's a lot like ass." -- Eamon de Valera From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 06:05:04 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:01:52 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: <6uwv1rvkzj.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin harrold quotation: > i truely hope that in the future everyone will be considered > innocent until proven guilty, but realistically i dont believe this > will be the case. It's certainly not true in the present: just look at Osama bin Laden's "trial by Dubya". -- "I don't care what you say. I'm right and you're wrong." -- Eamon de Valera From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 06:23:25 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <6uwv1rvkzj.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in October Sean Neakums assaulted keyboard and produced... |begin harrold quotation: | |> i truely hope that in the future everyone will be considered |> innocent until proven guilty, but realistically i dont believe this |> will be the case. | |It's certainly not true in the present: just look at Osama bin Laden's |"trial by Dubya". ahh... see he's not a citizen so we do not afford him the same rights. you will find that there are quite a few us citizens who do not agree with the bombing. just because the corporate controlled media doesnt show there are a few of us who do object to the methods involved. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 19 06:32:06 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: References: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011019233206.S17028@perkypants.org> > reguardless, us here 'merkins know we have the free'st country in the > universe Ha ha-ha! You lot need a document to tell you how you can be free. We don't have one of these. We are free until we agree to limit our freedom for the benefit of our society as a whole. I suppose you're one of those smarmy, self-loving libburtarians. - Jeff -- "World domination is a community responsibility." - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 06:29:11 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:23:25 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: <6usncfvjvc.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin harrold quotation: > Sometime in October Sean Neakums assaulted keyboard and produced... > |begin harrold quotation: > |> i truely hope that in the future everyone will be considered > |> innocent until proven guilty, but realistically i dont believe this > |> will be the case. > |It's certainly not true in the present: just look at Osama bin > |Laden's "trial by Dubya". > > ahh... see he's not a citizen so we do not afford him the same > rights. If you saw fit to train and fund him in the 80s, surely you can see fit to treat him as justly as any citizen believed to have committed a crime? I guess not. -- "Ah, the SCSL. The 'All your changes are belong to Sun' license". -- Eamon de Valera From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 19 07:17:14 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011019233206.S17028@perkypants.org> References: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> <20011019233206.S17028@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011019071714.N24944@linuxmafia.com> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > Ha ha-ha! > > You lot need a document to tell you how you can be free. Well, it got us cheap bandwidth, didn't it? -- Cheers, "Java is COBOL 2.0." Rick Moen -- Deirdre Saoirse Moen rick@linuxmafia.com From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 19 07:37:23 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: References: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011019073723.H9581@zork.net> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > saying we need to take a lesson from the floppy heads or a country > founded by prisioners with bad teeth is silly. every country has > issues similar to these. What, you mean the state of Georgia? -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 19 07:47:01 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011019071714.N24944@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> <20011019233206.S17028@perkypants.org> <20011019071714.N24944@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011020004701.V17028@perkypants.org> > > You lot need a document to tell you how you can be free. > > Well, it got us cheap bandwidth, didn't it? Is it Free? - Jeff -- ... *bounce*bounce*bounce* From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 19 07:54:54 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <20011020004701.V17028@perkypants.org> References: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> <20011019233206.S17028@perkypants.org> <20011019071714.N24944@linuxmafia.com> <20011020004701.V17028@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011019075454.J9581@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > > Well, it got us cheap bandwidth, didn't it? > > Is it Free? Yep. Just ask Peter Shipley. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Fri Oct 19 08:34:48 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: References: <20011019205305.A30562@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011019083447.A26920@prometheus.embody.org> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > saying we need to take a lesson from the floppy heads or a country > founded by prisioners with bad teeth is silly. every country has > issues similar to these. [ from Zinn's _A People's History of the United States_, pp 83-84: ] > One would look, in examining the Revolution's effect of class > relations, at what happened to land confiscated from fleeing > Loyalists. It was distributed in such a way as to give a double > opportunity to the Revolutnionary leaders: to enrich themselves and > their friends, and to parcel out some land to small farmers to create > a broad base of support for the new government. Indeed, this became > characteristic of the new nation: finding itself possessed of enormous > wealth, it could create the richest ruling class in history, and still > have enough for the middle classes to act as a buffer between the rich > and the dispossessed. > > The huge landholdings of the Loyalists had been one of the great > incentives to Revolution. Lord Fairfax in Virginia had more than 5 > million acres encompassing twenty-one counties. Lord Baltimore's > income from his Maryland holdings exceeded 30,000 pounds a year. After > the Revolution, Lord Fairfax was protected; he was a friend of George > Washington. But other Loyalist holders of great estates, especially > those who were absentees, had their land confiscated. In New York, the > number of freeholding small farmers increased after the Revolution, > and there were fewer tenant farmers, who had created so much trouble > in the pre-Revolution years. > > Although the numbers of independent farmers grew, according to Rowland > Berthoff and John Murrin, "the class structure did not change > radically." The ruling group went through personnel changes as "the > rising merchant families of Boston, New York or Philadelphia . . . > slipped quite credibly into the social status--and sometimes to very > houses of those who failed in business or suffered confiscation and > exile for loyalty to the crown." > > Edmund Morgan sums up the class nature of the Revolution this way: > "The fact that the lower ranks were involved in the contest should not > obscure the fact that the contest itself was generally a struggle for > office and power between members of an upper class: the new against > the established." Looking at the situation after the Revolution, > Richard Morris comments: "Everywhere one find inequality." He finds > "the people" of "We the people of the United States" (a phrase coined > by the very rich Gouverneur Morris) did not mean Indians or blacks or > women or white servants. In fact, there were more indentured servants > than ever, and the Revolution "did nothing to end and little to > ameliorate white bondage." > > Carl Deger says (_Out of Our Past_): "No new social class came to > power through the door of the American revolution. The men who > engineered the revolt were largely members of the colonial ruling > class." George Washington was the richest man in America. John Hancock > was a prosperous Boston merchant. Benjamin Franklin was a wealthy > printer. And so on. > > On the other hand, town mechanics, laborers, and seamen, as well as > small farmers, were swept into "the people" by the rhetoric of the > Revolution, by the camaraderie of military service, by the > distribution of some land. Thus was created a substantial body of > support, a national consensus, something that, even with the exclusion > of ignored and oppressed people, could be called "America." (sorry, but i just couldn't stop quoting) -md From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 10:21:21 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: <6usncfvjvc.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: Sometime in October Sean Neakums assaulted keyboard and produced... |begin harrold quotation: | |> Sometime in October Sean Neakums assaulted keyboard and produced... |> |begin harrold quotation: |> |> i truely hope that in the future everyone will be considered |> |> innocent until proven guilty, but realistically i dont believe this |> |> will be the case. |> |It's certainly not true in the present: just look at Osama bin |> |Laden's "trial by Dubya". |> |> ahh... see he's not a citizen so we do not afford him the same |> rights. | |If you saw fit to train and fund him in the 80s, surely you can see |fit to treat him as justly as any citizen believed to have committed a |crime? | |I guess not. this looks like you're saying he's part of our military, and he should be disciplined as such. i dont think our military would hesitate to hunt down one of their soldiers they thought had stopped following orders. being in the military is a step up from prision (or a step down depending on the prision) when rights are concerned. people in the military who commit crimes are tried under military courts, not civil ones. also the procedures are vastly different. look at ruby ridge and waco for those thought to have commited a crime and refused to come to trial. in that respect he is being treated just as any citizen. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Fri Oct 19 10:51:54 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:53 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] British scientists in major mad cow test blunder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011019185154.B20351@ummagumma> * James Morris (jmorris@intercode.com.au) wrote: > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/19/world/world104.html > > " British scientists trying to find out if mad cow disease has infected > the country's sheep have made a major blunder by testing the brains of > cows instead of sheep, the government said today. > > The admission by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs > that the five-years tests are faulty means that British consumers are > no closer to knowing whether it is safe to eat lamb. [...] " I love the excuse they are using: "Someone rubbed the B off the jar marked 'Bovine brain matter'" Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From schoen at loyalty.org Fri Oct 19 10:59:28 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] British scientists in major mad cow test blunder In-Reply-To: <20011019185154.B20351@ummagumma> References: <20011019185154.B20351@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011019105928.H2235@zork.net> Tom Gilbert writes: > * James Morris (jmorris@intercode.com.au) wrote: > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/19/world/world104.html > > > > " British scientists trying to find out if mad cow disease has infected > > the country's sheep have made a major blunder by testing the brains of > > cows instead of sheep, the government said today. > > > > The admission by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs > > that the five-years tests are faulty means that British consumers are > > no closer to knowing whether it is safe to eat lamb. [...] " > > I love the excuse they are using: > > "Someone rubbed the B off the jar marked 'Bovine brain matter'" "Inter oves locum praesta, Et ab haedis me sequestra..." -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 11:12:23 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:21:21 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: <6uitdbv6rc.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin harrold quotation: > Sometime in October Sean Neakums assaulted keyboard and produced... > |If you saw fit to train and fund him in the 80s, surely you can see > |fit to treat him as justly as any citizen believed to have > |committed a crime? > | > |I guess not. > > this looks like you're saying he's part of our military, and he > should be disciplined as such Burn, baby, burn! -- "Snap into position; bounce 'til you ache!" -- Eamon de Valera From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Fri Oct 19 11:16:45 2001 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] British scientists in major mad cow test blunder In-Reply-To: <20011019105928.H2235@zork.net> References: <20011019185154.B20351@ummagumma> <20011019105928.H2235@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011019191645.C20351@ummagumma> * Seth David Schoen (schoen@loyalty.org) wrote: > Tom Gilbert writes: > > > * James Morris (jmorris@intercode.com.au) wrote: > > > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/19/world/world104.html > > > > > > " British scientists trying to find out if mad cow disease has infected > > > the country's sheep have made a major blunder by testing the brains of > > > cows instead of sheep, the government said today. > > > > > > The admission by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs > > > that the five-years tests are faulty means that British consumers are > > > no closer to knowing whether it is safe to eat lamb. [...] " > > > > I love the excuse they are using: > > > > "Someone rubbed the B off the jar marked 'Bovine brain matter'" > > "Inter oves locum praesta, > Et ab haedis me sequestra..." Ah, Verdi. You think he's saying it's safe to eat Agnus dei? Tom. -- ,GAR .-------------------------------------------------------. .. | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /()\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 19 11:20:39 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [declan@well.com: FC: Phila. man hassled, detained, barred from flight because of book] In-Reply-To: References: <6usncfvjvc.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011019112039.K9581@zork.net> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > this looks like you're saying he's part of our military, and he > should be disciplined as such. i dont think our military would > hesitate to hunt down one of their soldiers they thought had stopped > following orders. being in the military is a step up from prision > (or a step down depending on the prision) when rights are concerned. > people in the military who commit crimes are tried under military > courts, not civil ones. also the procedures are vastly different. The military is a fairly effective recreation of the Soviet Union. The only way to beat the commies was to become them. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 11:21:19 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] British scientists in major mad cow test blunder In-Reply-To: <20011019191645.C20351@ummagumma> (Tom Gilbert's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:16:45 +0100") References: <20011019185154.B20351@ummagumma> <20011019105928.H2235@zork.net> <20011019191645.C20351@ummagumma> Message-ID: <6uadynv6cg.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin Tom Giblet quotation: > * Seth David Schoen (schoen@loyalty.org) wrote: >> "Inter oves locum praesta, >> Et ab haedis me sequestra..." > > Ah, Verdi. You think he's saying it's safe to eat Agnus dei? Only if you like copper poisoning. -- "WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHAAAAAAAAA!!! I'M CRAAAAAZY SIGGMUNDD!!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! GAR!!! NEE'ME S'MORE O'THAT SHIT!" -- mike dillon From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 19 11:24:20 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Penguin Computing fall down go *squish* Message-ID: <20011019112420.M9581@zork.net> Oh man... > Client Server News > October 22-26 - Issue 422 > > Many an America Dream > > An exec who walked out of Penguin Computing amid the implosion going > on there tells a story at the expense of Penguin's kid founder Sam > Ockman. "Apparently," he says, "someone that Sam fired told him that > 'You can't just piss on people....Somebody will piss back.' Sam > laughed and said, 'Nobody pisses on me.' So the > soon-to-be-ex-employee opened up his zipper and relieved himself all > over Sam's office. The folks outside the office cheered." -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 19 13:17:30 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] British scientists in major mad cow test blunder In-Reply-To: <20011019185154.B20351@ummagumma> References: <20011019185154.B20351@ummagumma> Message-ID: <20011019131729.P24944@linuxmafia.com> begin Tom Gilbert quotation: > I love the excuse they are using: > "Someone rubbed the B off the jar marked 'Bovine brain matter'" Bovine rain matter? -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 15:35:48 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Rick Moen Catch 22 Message-ID: Dear Mr Crackmonkey, I got my new Rick Moen in the mail from Amazon.com today. However, it turned out to be a bluetooth Rick Moen instead of a 802.11 Rick Moen, thus not possible to connect to my WLAN in the four corners. What should I do about this? I don't think I will be able to exchange my Rick Moen for the proper version of Rick Moen on Ebay. I mean - who want's a bluetooth Rick Moen? Still, I need it to get going today. Should I just order a new one with express delivery and will I have to pay for the customs again? Or should I just forget about it and jack a T1 cable into the Rick? Do not forget the time difference when delivering your subtle answer. Yours Truly Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 15:40:25 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Penguin Computing fall down go *squish* In-Reply-To: <20011019112420.M9581@zork.net> Message-ID: At 11.24 -0700 01-10-19, Nick Moffitt wrote: >> An exec who walked out of Penguin Computing amid the implosion going >> on there tells a story at the expense of Penguin's kid founder Sam >> Ockman. "Apparently," he says, "someone that Sam fired told him that >> 'You can't just piss on people....Somebody will piss back.' Sam >> laughed and said, 'Nobody pisses on me.' So the >> soon-to-be-ex-employee opened up his zipper and relieved himself all >> over Sam's office. The folks outside the office cheered." Bah - Hoax! No one working on Penguin Computing wore pants. At least not pants with zippers. Have you ever seen a bird with pants? Thinking of it, I haven't even seen a Rick Moen with pants. Hmm - that'sa thought I really do not wish to pursue... Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 15:43:42 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Message-ID: At 18.28 -0400 01-10-18, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: >Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... >|Che! >actually it's ChE chemical engineering. So what does "pitt" stand for? Mikael /Yeah, this is only funny for me and perhaps the ultra lurker Magnus Bodin/ _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Oct 19 13:36:41 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] beware high-pressure crackpipes! In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:25:53 -0400 (EDT)") References: <20011018155255.B3007@zgp.org> <20011018165750.B4811@zgp.org> Message-ID: harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu writes: > the decrease in steel wool is probably a health measure. you would > probably be better off using a carbon matrix in place of the steel > wool. > carbon matricies are used as catalyst supports which operate at > thousands of degrees. you just have to get the right structure. ahhh, Chea-boy, that's very clever of you. But isn't there rather a large difference between a sticky high-temperature substrate and a porous crackfilter? A difference, for example, in one's _ability to smoke crack through it_? Fellow cracksmokers, do not listen to this man! He is planning to coerce us with FUD about ``health'' into irrevocably modifying our crackpipes to incorporate carbon substrate. The substrate will pass crack only at an exceedingly high pressure differential, thus rendering the pipes USELESS! We can develop high-pressure paraphanalia, but the crack does *NOT* taste the same, I repeat, high-pressure crack does *NOT* taste the same! Almost as catastrophic, we will be forced to buy consumable compressed air cartridges to power the pipes. This is part of ``Chia Boy's'' long-term plan to establish a lee-gul monopoly on miniature high-pressure canisters such as the ones used in _Thunderball_. If he succeeds, he will have the entire cracksmoking community in the palm of his hand. I have encountered this ``harrold'' before, in Nicaragua, Chile, and Brazil. He is not to be trusted and bears no love for the cracksmoker. It is imperative that we all demonstrate solidarity NOW, in resisting his ``carbon substrate'' con artistry, or we will be unable to smoke crack like the crack-impoverished peoples of South America. The only reasonable alternative is a REGULARLY DEGREASED steel wool. We must act now. Please forward this message to as many people as possible. -- CRCS Chapter 17 PO Box 737741 Boulder, CO 80306-7741 From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 15:46:36 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sometime in October Mikael Pawlo assaulted keyboard and produced... |At 18.28 -0400 01-10-18, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: |>Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... |>|Che! |>actually it's ChE chemical engineering. | |So what does "pitt" stand for? | |Mikael |/Yeah, this is only funny for me and perhaps the ultra lurker Magnus Bodin/ | university of pittsburgh. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 15:58:15 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 18.46 -0400 01-10-19, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: >|>Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... >|>|Che! >|>actually it's ChE chemical engineering. >|So what does "pitt" stand for? >university of pittsburgh. That is boring on so many levels. M From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 16:11:43 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] beware high-pressure crackpipes! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sometime in October Miles Nordin assaulted keyboard and produced... |harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu writes: | | |ahhh, Chea-boy, that's very clever of you. But isn't there rather a |large difference between a sticky high-temperature substrate and a |porous crackfilter? A difference, for example, in one's _ability to |smoke crack through it_? bagh. you speak like an ignorant child, what are your hidden motives. | |Fellow cracksmokers, do not listen to this man! He is planning to |coerce us with FUD about ``health'' into irrevocably modifying our |crackpipes to incorporate carbon substrate. The substrate will pass |crack only at an exceedingly high pressure differential, thus |rendering the pipes USELESS! We can develop high-pressure |paraphanalia, but the crack does *NOT* taste the same, I repeat, |high-pressure crack does *NOT* taste the same! Almost as |catastrophic, we will be forced to buy consumable compressed air |cartridges to power the pipes. This is part of ``Chia Boy's'' |long-term plan to establish a lee-gul monopoly on miniature |high-pressure canisters such as the ones used in _Thunderball_. If he |succeeds, he will have the entire cracksmoking community in the palm |of his hand. hear now my fud. the pressure gradient across your catalytic converter is minimal at best and it is close to a foot long. it contains a porous matrix suitable for smoking crack through. the noble metals help to reduce the impurities. sure the "taste" is different, just like there is a difference in taste when you use a bong. you also increase the concentration of the active ingredient by reducing the concentration of the impurities. the health effects i spoke of refer to memory loss and lung disease. those crackheads lucky enought to live to maturity will not realize it because the will slowly loose their memory. there are plenty of crack heads in south america-they simply have forgotten their heritage. i must question the motive of this miles nordin, if that is in fact your real name. if your were that familar with nicaragua, chile, and brazil, you would acknowledge that the surname 'harrold' is as common as 'li' in china. the harrold you speak of is 'chavez harrold', and yes he is trying to bring down the capitalistic government of the united states. i am in no way related to this harrold you speak of. i warn you to be weary of somone who gives you only _one_ alternative. is it really an alternative at this point? i have given you _an_ alternative, of which others exsist. sadly enough volcanic rock is not readily available in pissburgh or i would run some tests to work out my current theories. | |I have encountered this ``harrold'' before, in Nicaragua, Chile, and |Brazil. He is not to be trusted and bears no love for the |cracksmoker. It is imperative that we all demonstrate solidarity NOW, |in resisting his ``carbon substrate'' con artistry, or we will be |unable to smoke crack like the crack-impoverished peoples of South |America. The only reasonable alternative is a REGULARLY DEGREASED |steel wool. We must act now. Please forward this message to as many |people as possible. | | -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 16:13:07 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sometime in October Mikael Pawlo assaulted keyboard and produced... |At 18.46 -0400 01-10-19, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: |>|>Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... |>|>|Che! |>|>actually it's ChE chemical engineering. |>|So what does "pitt" stand for? |>university of pittsburgh. | |That is boring on so many levels. | |M yes that is correct. boring people usually dont draw attention to themselves. this allows them to carry out their experiments in an unmoderated fashion. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Oct 19 16:52:25 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Rick Moen Catch 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011019165225.C1666@zgp.org> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation of Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 12:35:48AM +0200: > I got my new Rick Moen in the mail from Amazon.com today. You buy from software patenteers, therefore you suck. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Oct 19 17:02:01 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Hawking proposes space colonies to avoid virus created by altering our own DNA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, James Morris wrote: > Ok then. Why does the moon appear to be larger at the horizon than > when overhead? An illusion induced by the fact you can visually compare the size of the moon near the horizon with earthbound objects (trees, buildings) whereas no such comparison can be done way "up there". I'm not surprised I have to tell you this. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From jmorris at intercode.com.au Fri Oct 19 17:07:57 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: > yes that is correct. boring people usually dont draw attention to themselves. > this allows them to carry out their experiments in an unmoderated fashion. This trend of not using capital letters is really annoying. You are illiterate. Go back to grade school and GTFOML. - James -- James Morris From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 19 17:18:06 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011020101806.F17028@perkypants.org> > Go back to grade school ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ UNAUSTRIAN! - Jeff -- Perl - The Movie Starring 'Weird' Al Yankovic From pawal at blipp.com Fri Oct 19 17:24:43 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: > |That is boring on so many levels. > > yes that is correct. boring people usually dont draw attention to themselves. > this allows them to carry out their experiments in an unmoderated fashion. What, no explosions? What's the use? -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Fri Oct 19 18:22:25 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sometime in October Patrik Wallstrom assaulted keyboard and produced... |On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: | |> |That is boring on so many levels. |> |> yes that is correct. boring people usually dont draw attention to themselves. |> this allows them to carry out their experiments in an unmoderated fashion. | |What, no explosions? What's the use? | my mom may have been a crackwhore, but that doesnt mean i'm a crack baby. you can only discuss so much on a public list. -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 19 18:53:03 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:22:25 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: <6u669bulfk.fsf@zork.zork.net> begin harrold quotation: > Sometime in October Patrik Wallstrom assaulted keyboard and produced... > |On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: > |> yes that is correct. boring people usually dont draw attention to themselves. > |> this allows them to carry out their experiments in an unmoderated fashion. > |What, no explosions? What's the use? > | > my mom may have been a crackwhore, but that doesnt mean i'm a crack > baby. you can only discuss so much on a public list. Do not generalize your failings to the list population at large, sir. We leave such exercises to the Pigdogs. -- "What they should do is try to get a whole nest of artificially intelligent kernels like ants or bees: ``Stop the hacker! He's going for the queen!'' And like a bunch of them start shutting down various systems ... it'd be like Death Star except without the explosions." -- Emad El-Haraty, on OS design. From jays at panix.com Fri Oct 19 19:22:59 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Re: [wwwac] Rotoscoping - was RE: [wwwac] WOW! (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:45:34 -0400 From: Martin T. Focazio To: Michael Pinto , WWWAC Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rotoscoping - was RE: [wwwac] WOW! I used to work in a place called Broadcast Arts (632 Broadway, 2nd floor), where they did thousands of hours of Rotoscoping work on a thing called an "Oxberry Stand". This guy, Glen Claybrook, was a master of this huge machine. The Oxberry Stand must have been 12 feet tall and weighed about 3,000 lbs. It was a complicated and obstinate piece of machinery, connected to an equally obstinate and utterly user-hostile computer called the IMC (or Interactive Motion Control). Many people used to work long hours "at the stand". The way it works is you have two loads of film, one you project down onto a animation drawing surface, the other is recording film. You project the image down through the lens of the camera onto the surface. Then you draw on your surface (an animation cell, usually, not always) over the image as you need/want to do. Turn off the projection, turn on top or bottom lighting, or both, Take a picture of your artwork, advance the projection one frame, start again. At 24 frames per second in typical film work, you are looking at LOTS of work. You can do cool things like move or zoom the camera during an exposure, do multiple exposures on the film and about a billion other neat effects that took hours, days and weeks to accomplish. But that was a long time ago (like 1989-90 or so). I wonder if they even bother to use the film-based rigs anymore? They were becoming obsolete even then. At 5:32 PM -0700 10-19-2001, Michael Pinto wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >>From: mike dizon >>wow is right. what did they use to create that? >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: >>> http://www.wakinglifemovie.com/trailer.html > >They are using a technique called ROTOSCOPING, it was invented in >NYC by the Fleischer Studios in >1915 (yes 85 years ago). Their Superman cartoons in the early 40's >show off the technique: > >Complete Superman Cartoons >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6305943389/fanboy-20 > >Of course it was perfected by Disney in Snow White (see the Evil Queen scene): > >Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00003CXCQ/fanboy-20 > >My current favorite use of the technique are the opening titles of >Cowboy Bebop: > >Cowboy Bebop - The Perfect Sessions... >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QCW4/fanboy-20 > >It's funny but more and more I'm thinking about OLD media. Maybe the >best artwork is created after >the revolution is over? > >Michael > > >===== >M I C H A E L J A M E S P I N T O >------------------------------------------------------------ >Support My Reading Habit: http://www.fanboy.com >Where I Work: http://www.vm.com >More About Me: http://www.michaelpinto.com >My Favorite Music: http://www.thefall.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > > >## * Resource links & other information are now on the WWWAC web site * ## >## The World Wide Web Artists' Consortium --- http://www.wwwac.org/ ## >## To Unsubscribe, send an e-mail to: wwwac-unsubscribe@lists.wwwac.org ## ## * Resource links & other information are now on the WWWAC web site * ## ## The World Wide Web Artists' Consortium --- http://www.wwwac.org/ ## ## To Unsubscribe, send an e-mail to: wwwac-unsubscribe@lists.wwwac.org ## From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Oct 19 20:46:21 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] more Fine Art of Trolling Message-ID: <20011019204621.B5179@zgp.org> Don't you people have anything better to do than get yahoo.com accounts and taunt the Freenet lists? ----- Forwarded message from martin chao ----- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: martin chao Subject: [freenet-chat] anarchists in america To: chat@freenetproject.org Sender: chat-admin@freenetproject.org Reply-To: chat@freenetproject.org Hello everyone. I'm writing a peer to peer paper for school. This assignment has brought me to freenet. Luckily our professor has allowed us a lot of leeway with this assignment. Some of us are focusing on the technologies, others are focusing on the social and legal impact of the technologies. I began my paper with a purely technical perspective, but after studying freenet I've decided to change the focus to political. I've spent a lot of time reading your email archives. I must say, so far the freenet philosophy and some of your people appear to be quite pathetic. Your form of democracy appears to be anarchy. This group appears to be a bunch of closet socialists / communists who hate the american dream and any form of authority, yet you represent democracy. You people actually believe the constitution gives you the right to distribute porn and other people's software. To quote you: "copyrights are a violation of free speech." Yet you only offer a one paragraph solution which states that fair use is your ideal replacement. To say that copyrights should be abolished, then to only specify a 1 paragraph replacement, is a prime example of the ignorance of this group. For a group whose goal is to respect and uphold freedom of speech, you appear to actively discriminate against those who don't share your twisted views. Hipocricy, again. Yet Ian Clarke has started a company with the intent to release commercial software. Wait a minute, I thought open source was the right way? Another example of hypocrisy. What are you going to do when your commercial software is posted on freenet or gnutella, and you can't pay the salaries of your programmers? This philosophy appears to support the distribution of kiddie porn as a form of free speech. Perhaps when you teenagers are old enough to have kids, and one of them gets raped on camera, the film posted on the internet, you will learn what type of reality we live in. >From what I see, detailed instructions on how to hijack airliners or conduct biological warfare is protected under your "freedom of speech" philosophy. I have never seen such a glaring example of hypocrisy and ignorant idealism in my life, and I can't wait to see the courts shut down your warez/porn distribution net. Perhaps you all can enlighten me by explaining the merits of your three page philosophy to me in detail, and please begin by explaining how fair use is the ideal replacement. Thank you very much. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Chat mailing list Chat@freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free Dmitry: http://eff.org/ dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs: http://burnallgifs.org/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 23:33:26 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Rick Moen Catch 22 In-Reply-To: <20011019165225.C1666@zgp.org> References: Message-ID: At 16.52 -0700 01-10-19, Don Marti wrote: >> I got my new Rick Moen in the mail from Amazon.com today. >You buy from software patenteers, therefore you suck. You're right, but I don't think it matter that much, while the bluetooth Rick Moen was released under the Apache Server License agreement. I think it's a pretty good license for my wireless Rick Moen application, except for the obvious drawback of always stating that my Rick Moen "includes software developed by the Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/)." Naturally, I have to include the license agreement in all four corners of Sveavagen and Kungsgatan and the shop keepers didn't appreciate me covering their store windows with my Rick Moen license agreement. But then again, you can't win them all! Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 23:34:42 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 19.13 -0400 01-10-19, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: >|>|>Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... >|>|>|Che! >|>|>actually it's ChE chemical engineering. >|>|So what does "pitt" stand for? >|>university of pittsburgh. >|That is boring on so many levels. >yes that is correct. boring people usually dont draw attention to themselves. >this allows them to carry out their experiments in an unmoderated fashion. Boring people are like the color black. They absorbe all the light and all the fun. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 23:37:41 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <1003533669.6629.20.camel@malleus> References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Message-ID: At 17.20 -0600 01-10-19, Joakim Ziegler wrote: >> >Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... >> >|Che! >> >actually it's ChE chemical engineering. >> So what does "pitt" stand for? >Beware, there might be Norwegian expats on this list, who also get the >joke. You wily Swedes should not feel too secure in the use of your >strange tongue. The Norweigans might understand the words, but hardly the context. In that respect they remind you a lot of the Australians. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Oct 19 23:41:53 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 02.24 +0200 01-10-20, Patrik Wallstrom wrote: >> |That is boring on so many levels. >> yes that is correct. boring people usually dont draw attention to >>themselves. >> this allows them to carry out their experiments in an unmoderated fashion >What, no explosions? What's the use? He's obviously pulling your leg. You can't study chemistry without the explosions. That would be like practicing medicine without killing people. Or running a Rick Moen without a WLAN. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 19 23:49:06 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Rick Moen Catch 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011019234906.V24944@linuxmafia.com> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > You're right, but I don't think it matter that much, while the > bluetooth Rick Moen was released under the Apache Server License > agreement. I think it's a pretty good license for my wireless Rick > Moen application, except for the obvious drawback of always stating > that my Rick Moen "includes software developed by the Apache Software > Foundation (http://www.apache.org/)." It's not _truly_ Rick Moen unless it incorporates at least one obnoxious advertising clause. > Naturally, I have to include the license agreement in all four corners > of Sveavagen and Kungsgatan and the shop keepers didn't appreciate me > covering their store windows with my Rick Moen license agreement. But, at least you seem in keeping with the necessary spirit. -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. From mikael at pawlo.com Sat Oct 20 01:47:20 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Rick Moen Catch 22 In-Reply-To: <20011019234906.V24944@linuxmafia.com> References: Message-ID: At 23.49 -0700 01-10-19, Rick Moen wrote: >> You're right, but I don't think it matter that much, while the >> bluetooth Rick Moen was released under the Apache Server License >> agreement. I think it's a pretty good license for my wireless Rick >> Moen application, except for the obvious drawback of always stating >> that my Rick Moen "includes software developed by the Apache Software >> Foundation (http://www.apache.org/)." >It's not _truly_ Rick Moen unless it incorporates at least one obnoxious >advertising clause. I'm sad to report that the license terms are not important anymore. My Rick Moen broke down this morning. I tried to solve a mathematical problem with it ("1+1") when smoke started pouring out of it's ears and all of sudden the Rick Moen caught fire. I had to through it into the shower not to burn the entire place down. Of course, I should have known better and kept it in the four courners. You should never bring a Rick Moen to your apartment, which is pretty obvious. I am thinking of getting myself a Nick Moffitt instead, but I'm not sure I will be able to find a converter for it in Europe. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From pawal at blipp.com Sat Oct 20 03:40:11 2001 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Rick Moen Catch 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > I am thinking of getting myself a Nick Moffitt instead, but I'm not sure I > will be able to find a converter for it in Europe. Also, I think there are some serious import restrictions on Moffits. Just take a look at this: http://www.tullverket.se/en/start/archive/0110/05/minister.asp "This sports shoe did not meet the requirements that entitle a sports shoe to a lower duty rate." It's hard to imagine what kind of inspection they would make of Nick Moffit. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-706355528 From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 21 17:09:48 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011021170948.Q9581@zork.net> You fool. You've steped into the den of those who hold chaos' reins! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- darxus@chaosreigns.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 21 17:12:54 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The Rick Moen Catch 22 In-Reply-To: <20011019234906.V24944@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011019234906.V24944@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011021171254.R9581@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > It's not _truly_ Rick Moen unless it incorporates at least one obnoxious > advertising clause. Yeah, so now all my e-mails have to contain the appropriate From: header. GAR! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 21 17:13:57 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011021171357.S9581@zork.net> Get out. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- rob@terizla.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 21 17:16:12 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] more Fine Art of Trolling In-Reply-To: <20011019204621.B5179@zgp.org> References: <20011019204621.B5179@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011021171612.T9581@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > ----- Forwarded message from martin chao ----- > You people actually believe the constitution gives you the right to > distribute porn Excellent troll! 7.5! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 21 17:17:13 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011021171713.U9581@zork.net> Yeah, whatever. Like we'll miss him. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- dincht@qwest.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 21 18:26:44 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit Message-ID: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=100635 I just heard someone from the CDC say that "99.9% of americans aren't going to get Anthrax". Assuming a population of about 300,000,000 , that would mean that they predict 300,000 people *will*. Or maybe they're just a bunch of innumerate fuckwits like the folks who are afraid of flying (In 2001, 5000 americans died due to terrorist attacks, mere dozens of whom were actually on the airplanes. in 1996, nearly 50,000 died in automobile accidents.) -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 21 18:36:21 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] This just in: Bert is officially evil again. Sorry for the mixup. Message-ID: <20011021183621.B9581@zork.net> http://www.bringmenews.com/Messages/National_Security/Alerts/Alert_003.htm > Interpretation: The yellow mask-like character symbolizes > biological attack. Message represents signal to attack on previously > specified date, possibly in the latter part of October, maybe in the > Halloween time period. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From aaronl at vitelus.com Sun Oct 21 18:38:52 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021183852.A15122@vitelus.com> On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:26:44PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=100635 > > I just heard someone from the CDC say that "99.9% of americans aren't > going to get Anthrax". > > Assuming a population of about 300,000,000 , that would mean that they > predict 300,000 people *will*. [snip] > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments oh, never mind. From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 21 18:50:22 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] What's the Frequency, Kenneth? Message-ID: <20011021185022.C9581@zork.net> http://www.ratherbiased.com/bizarre.htm#kenneth Yeah, REM. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun Oct 21 20:08:10 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] This just in: Bert is officially evil again. Sorry for the mixup. In-Reply-To: <20011021183621.B9581@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:36:21PM -0700 References: <20011021183621.B9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021220810.A11263@magic.umn.edu> On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:36:21PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://www.bringmenews.com/Messages/National_Security/Alerts/Alert_003.htm > > Interpretation: The yellow mask-like character symbolizes > > biological attack. Message represents signal to attack on previously > > specified date, possibly in the latter part of October, maybe in the > > Halloween time period. I find the analysis of "Downfall" to be very interesting. Not only did they add a building next to the smokestack in the enlargement to make it appear that you have 2 towers (not even twin towers, mind you!), but they also mucked around with various other bits of the image. The bridge across the river is missing in the enlargement, for example. As well as the much clearer sky towards the horizion in the enlargment which is most definately missing. The lack of smoke in front of the "pentagon" which looks like example of classical archetecture could be explained away under the guise of "image enhancement" if you wish, I suppose, but the lack of the building with the stepped angle roof behind smokestack cannot. And the appearance of the whitehouse is pure fakery. I'm a little dissapointed that they didn't even bother to use a shrunken down copy of their enlargment in the place of the original, because I'm much too lazy to search down the appearance of the original if hadn't been on that page. -- Brian Hicks "Crush the lesser races! Conquer the PGP: 0xADDD1F16 galaxy! Incredible power, unlimited rice pudding, et cetera, et cetera." -- The Doctor From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Oct 21 20:35:18 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:54 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021203518.D26961@linuxmafia.com> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > I just heard someone from the CDC say that "99.9% of americans aren't > going to get Anthrax". 99.9% is a time-honoured figure with which to either (1) lie or (2) be incompetent in public. Watch out for the base-rate fallacy: http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0109a.html#3 -- Cheers, "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us Rick Moen in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." rick@linuxmafia.com -- Artemus Ward (1834-67), U.S. journalist From schoen at loyalty.org Sun Oct 21 21:00:02 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=100635 > > I just heard someone from the CDC say that "99.9% of americans aren't > going to get Anthrax". > > Assuming a population of about 300,000,000 , that would mean that they > predict 300,000 people *will*. > > Or maybe they're just a bunch of innumerate fuckwits like the folks > who are afraid of flying (In 2001, 5000 americans died due to > terrorist attacks, mere dozens of whom were actually on the airplanes. > in 1996, nearly 50,000 died in automobile accidents.) Total deaths per year is not a fair indication of safety when more people drive than fly (and drive greater distances, in larger number of hours, in more trips). The usual "fair" comparison is fatalities per passenger mile, although you can certainly argue that that's not a perfect comparison. (Other comparisons are per mile, per passenger, per hour, per passenger hour, or per trip. Part of the difficulty in making a fair comparison is that people's travel habits are different. You, for example, have a much higher ratio of air travel to car travel than a commuter who lives in the suburbs and drives into the city every day.) I found lots of statistics on the web and in the _Statistical Abstract of the United States_ for fatalities, injuries, and accidents by mode -- but not by passenger mile. Who's got some per-passenger-mile numbers? I haven't seen them for years. I know planes are still way ahead of cars for safety when measured that way, but it's not quite as dramatic as the tens-of-thousands versus dozens. Planes are more frightening to me than cars for several reasons, even though their statistics are better: (1) Plane accidents are typically fatal* where car accidents are typically not. Anecdotally, I know people who have been in two plane crashes and (at least) two car crashes; all of the people who were in plane crashes died, and all who were in car crashes survived. (2) People who are going to die in plane crashes often know for minutes to hours beforehand; people who are going to die in car crashes sometimes know for as long as several seconds. (I think this is the most frightening part of death by air travel, that it can come _so slowly_.) (3) Any given "scare" aboard a plane is probably much more frightening and potentially serious than a "scare" in a car -- a mechanical or navigation failure in a car would rarely kill you. Tying back to (2), this means that the probability of death _given information that something has gone wrong_ is higher aboard a plane than in a car, even though things go wrong less often aboard planes. There are other interesting psychological factors, such as the level of control enjoyed by air travellers who are not pilots, and the level of spectacle involved in an air crash. I suspect I may have seen more plane crashes than car crashes in movies, even though car crashes are more common, because plane crashes fit better with the desires of directors and special effects houses working on action films. * This is actually not true, because what gets reported to NTSB as an "accident" is much different from what gets reported on TV as an accident. So it depends whether we use the NTSB definition or the media definition. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Oct 21 21:34:53 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] What's the Frequency, Kenneth? In-Reply-To: <20011021185022.C9581@zork.net> References: <20011021185022.C9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021213453.A3855@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:50:22PM -0700: > http://www.ratherbiased.com/bizarre.htm#kenneth > > Yeah, REM. Wow, _free_ _heroin_ in Houston! (Now we know why people on this list go to Texas, or move there, or whatever.) -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free the web, burn all GIFs. burnallgifs.org is switching registrars. http://198.144.202.250/ for now. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 21 21:51:14 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] What's the Frequency, Kenneth? In-Reply-To: <20011021213453.A3855@zgp.org> References: <20011021185022.C9581@zork.net> <20011021213453.A3855@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011021215113.F9581@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > (Now we know why people on this list go to Texas, or move there, or > whatever.) Nono. Jack Moffitt moved OUT of Texas. He's in Santo Diablo de los Avernos, AZ or something now. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 21 21:57:25 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] What's the Frequency, Kenneth? In-Reply-To: <20011021185022.C9581@zork.net> References: <20011021185022.C9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021215725.G9581@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.ratherbiased.com/bizarre.htm#kenneth "Dan's a girl...Dan has the enthusiasm of a girl. There's a girl's soul lurking in him." --CBS News campaign producer Susan Zirinsky in the March 23, 1996 TV Guide. haw haw. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Oct 21 22:01:25 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] What's the Frequency, Kenneth? In-Reply-To: <20011021215725.G9581@zork.net> References: <20011021185022.C9581@zork.net> <20011021215725.G9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021220125.A4330@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:57:25PM -0700: > "Dan's a girl...Dan has the enthusiasm of a girl. There's a girl's > soul lurking in him." > --CBS News campaign producer > Susan Zirinsky in the March > 23, 1996 TV Guide. A girl on heroin, maybe. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free the web, burn all GIFs. burnallgifs.org is switching registrars. http://198.144.202.250/ for now. From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Oct 21 23:00:20 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011021230020.I26961@linuxmafia.com> begin Seth David Schoen quotation: > Planes are more frightening to me than cars for several reasons, even > though their statistics are better: > > (1) Plane accidents are typically fatal* where car accidents are > typically not. Anecdotally, I know people who have been in > two plane crashes and (at least) two car crashes; all of the people > who were in plane crashes died, and all who were in car crashes > survived. Whereas, I know four people killed in airplane crashes (three of those being commercial airliners), and none in automobile crashes. Yet, I really do think commercial airlines are quite safe. On the whole. (I've favoured the term "crash" over "accident" concerning airline disasters ever since a Boeing Company lawyer, one Mr. Faulkner, grilled my mother for a couple of hours in 1973 over what she might have been implying through her use of that term, during defendent's deposition session. I kept checking the obituary's column for a couple of decades, hoping that, some wonderful spring day, he might show up there.) -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. From jays at panix.com Mon Oct 22 01:23:46 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [lvlug] zork (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Krux Reply-To: lvlug@lvlug.org To: lvlug@thcnet.net Subject: [lvlug] zork I decided to play around and create an interactive 404 error.. In case you didn't know, my 404 error message displayed the opening text of the all time classic text adventure game zork. "You are in an open field west of a big white house with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here." I always thought it would be really cool to make it interactive, where you could actually play the text adventure. The initial thought was a PHP conversion of the code. The problem was that Zork had gone many conversions over the years. It was originally programmed in MDL, then translated to Fortran, and then translated to C. The translation to pure PHP code, was a little daunting, so I didn't make much progress. I think the fact that wasn't actually GOOD at programming C, let alone trying to understand the muddled mess of multiple source conversions into C, may have had something to do with it. So today I had the idea, why not just pipe the input and output? After a couple tweaks to the original code, I had something that I could interface to PHP. The problem was that certain random events would cause problems. The game has several NPC characters which you may or may not run into, all of them hostile. Since I'm using piped input and output, I just keep a stream of commands and just pipe that to the program each time and read the new output. But since the NPCs are random the results change each time the sequence is run.. And if you happen to die, the program asks if you wish to respawn, requiring additional input. Since there is no way for the PHP program to know that more input is needed, it ends up creating a runaway process. I figured out how to turn off the NPC characters, as well as the ability to die, so that should eliminate those occurances. and as an added precaution I check the execution time on the program and kill it off if it runs more than five seconds. Not a bad little hack in all. you can see it by going to my 404 error page... http://thcnet.net/error/404.php the source is here if you want to check it out. http://thcnet.net/zork/zork-php.tgz I have not really looked to see if this is totally secure or not yet.. probably is, unless there is some command to break out of zork and execute something via a piped input. I already disallow quit, save, and restore. Probably could add a check in there for characters other than letters and numbers. - k -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaos is not Anarchy. Chaos is mathematical order beyond human perception. Anarchy is a bunch of assholes fire bombing city hall. _______________________________________________ lvlug mailing list lvlug@thcnet.net http://thcnet.net/mailman/listinfo/lvlug From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 22 08:03:15 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021230020.I26961@linuxmafia.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011021230020.I26961@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20011022080315.H9581@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Whereas, I know four people killed in airplane crashes (three of > those being commercial airliners), and none in automobile crashes. > Yet, I really do think commercial airlines are quite safe. On the > whole. That's great. I knew seven or eight people killed in automobile crashes, and none in airplane crashes. And the survivability rate is low for large jets. Smaller prop planes often serve as passable gliders when the engines fail. Thus, many crashes are described as "emergency landings" for these planes. My dad had a pilot friend who was alcoholic. People would tell him "Don't fly with him when he drinks!", to which my dad would respond "I'd be more worried about flying when he's jonesing!". The other admonition was "He's been in 12 plane crashes! Don't fly with him! He's dangerous!" The man WALKED AWAY from 12 plane crashes. This is the man you want with you in a pinch! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 22 09:28:42 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011022092842.L9581@zork.net> Too many laviolae ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- claviola@alternex.com.br has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From claviola at alternex.com.br Mon Oct 22 09:31:14 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011022092842.L9581@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:28:42AM -0700 References: <20011022092842.L9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022143114.A22252@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:28:42AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Too many laviolae Bah, admit it, you can't get enough of me. > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > claviola@alternex.com.br has been successfully subscribed to > CrackMonkey. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Carlos Laviola From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 22 11:29:35 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [lvlug] zork (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011022112935.N9581@zork.net> http://thcnet.net/pipermail/lvlug/2001-October/004082.html Man, maybe we can create infinite google juice by constantly linking back and forth to each others' mailman archives! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 22 11:40:37 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [lvlug] zork (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20011022112935.N9581@zork.net> References: <20011022112935.N9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022114037.E27320@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:29:35AM -0700: > Man, maybe we can create infinite google juice by constantly linking > back and forth to each others' mailman archives! Why write When you can write ? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti Free the web, burn all GIFs. burnallgifs.org is switching registrars. http://198.144.202.250/ for now. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 12:49:36 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [lvlug] zork (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from jays@panix.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 04:23:46 -0400 References: Message-ID: <20011022154936.Y5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Jay It was a great day for a protest... On 2001.10.22 04:23:46 -0400 Jay Sulzberger wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Krux Reply-To: lvlug@lvlug.org To: lvlug@thcnet.net Subject: [lvlug] zork I decided to play around and create an interactive 404 error.. In case you didn't know, my 404 error message displayed the opening text of the all time classic text adventure game zork. "You are in an open field west of a big white house with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here." I always thought it would be really cool to make it interactive, where you could actually play the text adventure. The initial thought was a PHP conversion of the code. The problem was that Zork had gone many conversions over the years. It was originally programmed in MDL, then translated to Fortran, and then translated to C. The translation to pure PHP code, was a little daunting, so I didn't make much progress. I think the fact that wasn't actually GOOD at programming C, let alone trying to understand the muddled mess of multiple source conversions into C, may have had something to do with it. So today I had the idea, why not just pipe the input and output? After a couple tweaks to the original code, I had something that I could interface to PHP. The problem was that certain random events would cause problems. The game has several NPC characters which you may or may not run into, all of them hostile. Since I'm using piped input and output, I just keep a stream of commands and just pipe that to the program each time and read the new output. But since the NPCs are random the results change each time the sequence is run.. And if you happen to die, the program asks if you wish to respawn, requiring additional input. Since there is no way for the PHP program to know that more input is needed, it ends up creating a runaway process. I figured out how to turn off the NPC characters, as well as the ability to die, so that should eliminate those occurances. and as an added precaution I check the execution time on the program and kill it off if it runs more than five seconds. Not a bad little hack in all. you can see it by going to my 404 error page... http://thcnet.net/error/404.php the source is here if you want to check it out. http://thcnet.net/zork/zork-php.tgz I have not really looked to see if this is totally secure or not yet.. probably is, unless there is some command to break out of zork and execute something via a piped input. I already disallow quit, save, and restore. Probably could add a check in there for characters other than letters and numbers. - k -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaos is not Anarchy. Chaos is mathematical order beyond human perception. Anarchy is a bunch of assholes fire bombing city hall. _______________________________________________ lvlug mailing list lvlug@thcnet.net http://thcnet.net/mailman/listinfo/lvlug _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 12:58:56 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net>; from schoen@loyalty.org on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 00:00:02 -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <> YES 100% of the Passangers die when falling without a parchute 1 mile in altitude from an Airplane. On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq destroying the root of these facist societies in these countries, then loose, what I consider inevitable, 300,000 or 3,000,000 people in the City of NY to Nuclear or Biological weapons. I would certain be willing to repeal all the emergency Terror laws passed and being bpassed in the next few day, and instead kill 3,000,000 citizens of facists nations out of an estimated billion of them, to obtain the same goal. Or even 30,000,000 or even 300,000,000 of them, or as many as it takes to prevent an attack on the US or to protect the political system. Ruben -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Oct 22 13:15:41 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Oct 2001, Neale Pickett wrote: > harrold writes: > > > carbon matricies are used as catalyst supports which operate at > > thousands of degrees. you just have to get the right structure. Thousands of degrees of Oechsle, no less. As to structure: absence of oxidants. Seems not to be the typical conditions in the crack pipe. If you want filtering, use a glass frit, but I thought the point was inhaling free base aerosol, which will be caught in the frit, and close it in not time at all. Please no glass frits in my pipe. > WORD! > > You wanna mess wid da ChemE? Step on up! Youze playin' in CHE.PITT > territory now, fool*. > > * Gratuitous Mister T reference intentional From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 22 13:21:49 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022132149.O9581@zork.net> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > I would certain be willing to [...] kill 3,000,000 citizens Hooray for Brooklyn! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Mon Oct 22 13:25:19 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 03:58:56PM -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022132518.A9786@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 soldiers in Afghanistan > and Iraq destroying the root of these facist societies in these > countries, then loose, what I consider inevitable, 300,000 or > 3,000,000 people in the City of NY to Nuclear or Biological weapons. > > I would certain be willing to repeal all the emergency Terror laws > passed and being bpassed in the next few day, and instead kill > 3,000,000 citizens of facists nations out of an estimated billion of > them, to obtain the same goal. > > Or even 30,000,000 or even 300,000,000 of them, or as many as it takes > to prevent an attack on the US or to protect the political system. Mr. CEO, you, sir, are a puling fuckwit. -md From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Oct 22 13:30:29 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022132149.O9581@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > I would certain be willing to [...] kill 3,000,000 citizens > > Hooray for Brooklyn! This is Brooklyn Bounce. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Oct 22 13:37:36 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022132518.A9786@lxbox3.standmed.int> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, mike dillon wrote: > Mr. CEO, you, sir, are a puling fuckwit. Not Blaylock's Pule? From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Oct 22 13:41:01 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022134101.F2235@zork.net> Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO writes: > 100% of the Passangers die when falling without a parchute 1 mile in > altitude from an Airplane. Like cats, people no doubt need to fall from _higher_ altitudes in order to improve their survival rate. http://www.google.com/search?q=Vesna+Vulovic http://www.google.com/search?q=Nicholas+Alkemade -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Oct 22 13:47:23 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022134101.F2235@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Like cats, people no doubt need to fall from _higher_ altitudes in > order to improve their survival rate. IIRC, you achive minimum 180 km/h (spreadeagled) and maximum 210 km/h (head down). (Stratospheric jumps excluded, these can be supersonic). These velocities are achieved very soon after free fall, so the actual altitude is very soon irrelevant, as the impact speed is the same. (Of course, you can asphyxiate or freeze to death if you exit too high, and much fun ensues if you eject at slightly subsonic or even supersonic speeds). From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 22 13:56:39 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: QOTD: Anthrax] Message-ID: <20011022135639.P9581@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: "Harry I. Rubin" "Anthrax. The cattleman's nemesis. Death on the frontier. The end of the American Dream. "That must be it -- the shock value of the word itself. I mean really: Here we have a country whose urban population happily inhales a bewildering cocktail of combustion fumes on a daily basis; 12 per cent of whose male population under the age of 35 will die prematurely as a result of smoking tobacco (a more unpleasant death than anthrax, which is mostly shock); not to mention that anthrax is harder to contract than lung cancer, with both a cure and a vaccine. Yet, let one man in Florida die of that obscure ailment and suddenly war-surplus stores are selling out of Israeli gas masks at 110 bucks a pop. Fear Grows as Anthrax Cases Increase shrieks my local daily -- a self-fulfilling proclamation if ever there was one." - John MacLachlan Gray, Globe and Mail, October 17, 2001. Submitted by: Terry Labach Oct. 19, 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------- Send quotation submissions to quotationoftheday@yahoo.ca Send list changes or requests to quotationoftheday_request@yahoo.ca ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 22 14:08:59 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: QOTD: Anthrax] In-Reply-To: <20011022135639.P9581@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:56:39PM -0700 References: <20011022135639.P9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022160859.B11263@magic.umn.edu> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:56:39PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- > Forwarded-by: Nev Dull > Forwarded-by: "Harry I. Rubin" > > "Anthrax. The cattleman's nemesis. Death on the frontier. The end > of the American Dream. > > "That must be it -- the shock value of the word itself. I mean > really: Here we have a country whose urban population happily inhales > a bewildering cocktail of combustion fumes on a daily basis; 12 per > cent of whose male population under the age of 35 will die > prematurely as a result of smoking tobacco (a more unpleasant death > than anthrax, which is mostly shock); not to mention that anthrax is > harder to contract than lung cancer, with both a cure and a vaccine. > Yet, let one man in Florida die of that obscure ailment and suddenly > war-surplus stores are selling out of Israeli gas masks at 110 bucks > a pop. Fear Grows as Anthrax Cases Increase shrieks my local daily > -- a self-fulfilling proclamation if ever there was one." Actually, they were selling out of gas masks much earlier than the first reported anthrax case. Of course, I can still get my hands on some ex-soviet gas masks which are being sold for "entertainment value only". -- Brian Hicks "Crush the lesser races! Conquer the PGP: 0xADDD1F16 galaxy! Incredible power, unlimited rice pudding, et cetera, et cetera." -- The Doctor From elharaty at zork.net Mon Oct 22 15:00:16 2001 From: elharaty at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > > > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and > Iraq destroying the root of these facist societies in these countries, then > loose, what I consider inevitable, 300,000 or 3,000,000 people in the City > of NY to Nuclear or Biological weapons. > > I would certain be willing to repeal all the emergency Terror laws passed > and being bpassed in the next few day, and instead kill 3,000,000 citizens > of facists nations out of an estimated billion of them, to obtain the same > goal. > > Or even 30,000,000 or even 300,000,000 of them, or as many as it takes to > prevent an attack on the US or to protect the political system. > > So let me get this straight, you are mad at the US about some stuff that could be solved politically, but instead feel that killing citizens of the country you are displeased with is a better way? Frankly, I'm disgusted. Your political views concerning the middle east do not justify the actions of Sept 11th, which you obviously support. I mean. come on. I've seen people take a whole range of views on recent horrible events, but the only informed people I've seen commending it are horrible people like You, Saddam, and Bin Laden. Dude, that's sick. I mean, I understand your concern about the hundreds of thousands of kids dying in Iraq and the big problem in Israel/Palestine but that does not justify the killing 5000 innocent people. But now you want to kill 3-300 million MORE american citizens in the hopes that it will make all problems go away? I think you've been watching too many Bin Laden videos. -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 22 15:33:22 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022153322.R9581@zork.net> (from the headers in the previous mail) > X-Contains: White Powder Get 'im! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 22 15:34:52 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] AOL/TW/People's Glorious Liberation Television In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011022153452.A3132@zgp.org> AOL Time Warner to bring Chinese state television to US: Global Copyright Cartel Revealed as Marxist Front http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011022/bs/china_us_television_3.html Failed search of the day: No match for "PELTIERBONG.COM". http://www.google.com/search?query=%22peltier+bong%22&num=40 Your search - "peltier bong" - did not match any documents. Suggestions: * Make sure all words are spelled correctly. * Try different keywords. * Try more general keywords. * Figure out how to build it yourself, you lazy ass. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 22 15:37:18 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] AOL/TW/People's Glorious Liberation Television In-Reply-To: <20011022153452.A3132@zgp.org> References: <20011022153452.A3132@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011022153718.S9581@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > AOL Time Warner to bring Chinese state television to US: Global > Copyright Cartel Revealed as Marxist Front > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011022/bs/china_us_television_3.html http://www.google.com/search?q=turner+nomenclatura -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 22 15:44:59 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Flying Shoes Message-ID: <20011022154459.T9581@zork.net> http://wemadeoutinatreeandthisoldguysatandwatchedus.com/flyingshoes.html -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 22 16:35:36 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011022163535.V9581@zork.net> The CEO of Brooklyn threatened to kill this poor twit! He's running away! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- ix555@yahoo.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 16:42:21 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net>; from elharaty@zork.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 18:00:16 -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On 2001.10.22 18:00:16 -0400 Emad El-Haraty wrote: begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > > > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 soldiers in Afghanistan On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 AMERICAN soldiers in Afghanistan- _________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 22 16:47:49 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022164749.W9581@zork.net> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 AMERICAN soldiers in > Afghanistan- The CEO of Brooklyn is not an equal opportunity employer! He will not hire your French soldiers, so don't ask! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 16:49:23 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022164749.W9581@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 19:47:49 -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022164749.W9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022194923.C9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <> Iraq has outbid us for our their services.... -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From elharaty at zork.net Mon Oct 22 16:53:01 2001 From: elharaty at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022165301.C6301@zork.net> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > On 2001.10.22 18:00:16 -0400 Emad El-Haraty wrote: > begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > > > > > > > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 soldiers in Afghanistan > > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 AMERICAN soldiers in > Afghanistan- > Uhm. ok so now you want to kill somewhere between 3-300 million american citizens AND an additional 300k of american soldiers, just so you can save a few saudi citizens? Why is killing americans your answer to everything? -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 16:55:32 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022194923.C9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 19:49:23 -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022164749.W9581@zork.net> <20011022194923.C9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022195532.G9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On 2001.10.22 19:49:23 -0400 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: <> <> That is their services. The French Foriegn Legion has already been purchased by Iraq. our/their is already suffering from Anthrax..... -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From solitaire at tygger.net Mon Oct 22 17:11:21 2001 From: solitaire at tygger.net (solitaire) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022165301.C6301@zork.net>; from elharaty@zork.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 04:53:01PM -0700 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022165301.C6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011023101121.A80994@lioness.tygger.net> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 04:53:01PM -0700, Emad El-Haraty wrote: > begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > > > On 2001.10.22 18:00:16 -0400 Emad El-Haraty wrote: > > begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > > > > > > > > > > > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 soldiers in Afghanistan > > > > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 AMERICAN soldiers in > > Afghanistan- > > > > Uhm. ok so now you want to kill somewhere between 3-300 million > american citizens AND an additional 300k of american soldiers, just > so you can save a few saudi citizens? Why is killing americans your > answer to everything? > Don't be silly. It's obviously not the answer to *everything*. But the CEO and us austrians evidently agree that it'd be a damn good start. sol. . -- "That's what I like in the morning, a little stimulation." -- Sofi From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 17:01:28 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net>; from elharaty@zork.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 18:00:16 -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <> I can not help you get this straight. I think it's either YOUR mad cows disease, my poor grammer, or Sadaam's Anthrax preventing this cryptography from being decrypted. -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From elharaty at zork.net Mon Oct 22 17:51:02 2001 From: elharaty at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > > <> > > > I can not help you get this straight. I think it's either YOUR mad cows > disease, my poor grammer, or Sadaam's Anthrax preventing this cryptography > from being decrypted. > > oh! silly me! I totally misunderstood what you were saying! See, I thought you said it was OK to kill hundreds of millions of american/western people who have little to do with certain problems just because very small factions within that particular group of people may pose a threat. Which is what Bin Laden & Co believe. Boy was I wrong!!! What you really said was: it is OK to kill hundreds of millions of non american people who have little to do with certain problems just because very small factions within that particular group of people may pose a threat. Which is what a healthy sane person believes. I feel like such a fool. -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 22 17:54:58 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022195532.G9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:55:32PM -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022164749.W9581@zork.net> <20011022194923.C9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022195532.G9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022205458.I33640@samurai.com> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:55:32PM -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > our/their is already suffering from Anthrax..... I hear they rock in concert. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 22 18:08:13 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:42:21PM -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022210813.J33640@samurai.com> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:42:21PM -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > > On a serious note, I would rather have 300,000 AMERICAN soldiers in > Afghanistan- I agree, I'd feel safer with them on another continent too. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 18:14:04 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net>; from elharaty@zork.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 20:51:02 -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <> To protect American Freedom and hundreds of thousands of Americans... Yes It's a no brainer... << who have little to do with certain problems >> This is not substantiated, nor is it true. Ben Ladin is a NATURE product of a greater society which supports him. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/international/asia/22STAN.html <> This is ALSO incorrect.... See Iran - 1979 If it's one thing which is clear, it is that Ben Laden has popular support. Not that we REALLY have a choice. We didn't cry over the German population when fighting the Nazi's under the false assumption that the German people didn't support them and therefor, can not be made victems of American Firepower. What ever true victems emerge from war, it is a tragic thing. But not as tragic as living in a police state, or seeing the ENTIRE city of NY go up in a Nuclear holocaust because we failed to understand our enemies have declared war on us, and have the ability to carry out that war. Given the choice of living Free in NYC with the country secure and at peace, or live the rest of our lives in fear and in a police state because we are afraid to declare war, only to see massive casualties ANYWAY, then the choice is WAR. In ancient civilizations, they built cities with walls to defend them, and it ALWAYS failed. It was not until it was relized that the protection of cities depended on armies with overwhelming ability to retaliate upon attack, that cities stopped being walled in. Defeat your enemy, and you live secure at home. Build a security wall around your city, and live in fear and in a police state...and still suffer attack in the end. Ruben -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Mon Oct 22 18:23:24 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022205458.I33640@samurai.com>; from bryanf@samurai.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 20:54:58 -0400 References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022164749.W9581@zork.net> <20011022194923.C9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022195532.G9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022205458.I33640@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011022212324.C10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On 2001.10.22 20:54:58 -0400 Bryan Fullerton wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:55:32PM -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > our/their is already suffering from Anthrax..... <> That was the Clash -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From decklin at red-bean.com Mon Oct 22 18:35:45 2001 From: decklin at red-bean.com (Decklin Foster) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022213544.A18149@decklin.2y.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > I just heard someone from the CDC say that "99.9% of americans aren't > going to get Anthrax". Technically, that statement says nothing about the other 0.1%. They may get anthrax, they may not. It would also be truthful to say that 50% of Americans will not get anthrax; it just wouldn't be very informative. -- things change. decklin@red-bean.com From elharaty at zork.net Mon Oct 22 19:03:08 2001 From: elharaty at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011022190308.E6301@zork.net> begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > < of millions of non american people>> > > > To protect American Freedom and hundreds of thousands of Americans... > > Yes > Ok. I'm glad we both agree that 1 human life is worth more than another, with White anglos being the plantinum of life. I'm willing to bet Bin laden agrees with you. Except he feels 1 muslim life is worth more than an americans. He may also feel that killing enough americans will save Islam and millions of Americans. You're rehetoric is the same as the terrorist you denounce. > It's a no brainer... > That is evident from the your From: header. > > << who have little to do with certain > problems >> > > This is not substantiated, nor is it true. Ben Ladin is a NATURE product > of a > greater society which supports him. Likewise, the commonly held notion that serial killers are a natural product of society. Just because society happens to breed a specific type of criminal does not mean it favors the actions of that criminal. Surely you don't agree with the views held by white supremacists, yet they are a by product of our society. We'll need to also ignore the fact that well before 9/11/2001 he was exiled from his own country and disowned by his family. Hence the reasonable belief that both his country and his family found his views so abrasive and unorthodox that they wanted not relation with him. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/international/asia/22STAN.html > This is a link to an article discussing the various suggestions made on a political level by heads of state and countries near afghanistan. This does not support your argument that the wholesale murder of a collective body from a particular race or religion would alleviate the problem in a reasonable fashion. Instead it teaches against your belief. It shows that there are quite a few people who are willing to negotiate thing diplomatically. > <> > > > This is ALSO incorrect.... > > See Iran - 1979 > > If it's one thing which is clear, it is that Ben Laden has popular support. > It's clear he does not have popular support. Please note the recent meeting of 50-60 Islamic Nations condeming Bin Laden and publically stating that the act of killing civilians is forbiddin Islamically. Likewise, Bin Laden and the Taliban's attempt to declare a holy war against the International coalition has failed to generate any sort of meaningful support. Minority protests in Pakistan are just that, minority protests, not military movements. Is protesting a crime punishable by death now? > Not that we REALLY have a choice. We didn't cry over the German population > when > fighting the Nazi's under the false assumption that the German people > didn't support them and therefor, can not be made victems of American > Firepower. First, you cant draw a parallel between Nazi Germany and the current state of affairs. In one case there was a full scale war, in this case it is a group of identified radicals who carried out an attack on the US and are currently confined to a single country. Bin Laden is rogue rather than a head of state. You're reference to "1 billion" people alludes to your belief that this mass murder of 300 million should be among muslims. This is like saying, "Columbia poses a threat due to their drug trade. We should kill everyone in there as well as other people in South America" If you are refering to just Afghanistan civilians, using your reasoning we would have bombed concentration camps and people in them. > > What ever true victems emerge from war, it is a tragic thing. > > But not as tragic as living in a police state, or seeing the ENTIRE city of > NY go up in a Nuclear holocaust because we failed to understand our enemies > have declared war on us, and have the ability to carry out that war. > Yet you turn a blind eye to the idea that US use our highly touted special forces to coordinate the eradication of Bin Laden & Co. This would solve the immediate problem. With regard to the notion that more terrorists will spring up, our job will be to alleviate the political tensions that have created a situation that breeds terrorism. To pretend that the United States and its foreign policy has no bearing on this situation is a wholly stupid thing to do. To believe that the US is pure of all wrong doing is wholly stupid. Why are people so willing to believe that certain parties within the government want to get rid of civil liberties and encryption, yet find it impossible to think that the US may not have pure idealistic rules regarding foriegn policy. > > > In ancient civilizations, they built cities with walls to defend them, and > it ALWAYS failed. It was not until it was relized that the protection of > cities depended on armies with overwhelming ability to retaliate upon > attack, that cities stopped being walled in. > > Defeat your enemy, and you live secure at home. Build a security wall > around your city, and live in fear and in a police state...and still suffer > attack in the end. > Cut down one weed in field and do nothing more weeds will just grow. Cut down one weed in a field and distrubute an agent that supresses the growth of weeds but promotes the growth of flowers. -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 22 20:19:03 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022190308.E6301@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022190308.E6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011022201902.A4316@zork.net> begin Emad El-Haraty quotation: > begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > Not that we REALLY have a choice. We didn't cry over the German > > population when fighting the Nazi's under the false assumption > > that the German people didn't support them and therefor, can not > > be made victems of American Firepower. > > First, you cant draw a parallel between Nazi Germany and the > current state of affairs. Boy, Emad. You sure haven't been on the Innurnet long, have you? You need to read up on the DOD RFC #7242: "Transmission of political rhetoric over Nazi analogy in heterogeneous computer networks." -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jaq at spacepants.org Mon Oct 22 20:26:07 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022195532.G9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022194221.A9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022164749.W9581@zork.net> <20011022194923.C9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022195532.G9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011023132607.B6588@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: [snip the CEO correcting itself twice] I think you need to spend more time proofreading your mail before you hit the HAPPY-SEND button. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From jack at xiph.org Mon Oct 22 23:20:43 2001 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:55 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Ogg Traffic and Ogg BBC Broadcasts Message-ID: <20011023002043.Z1312@i.cantcode.com> http://www.vorbis.com/ot/ Check out the test BBC broadcasts with icecast :) jack. From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Oct 23 00:20:05 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > To protect American Freedom and hundreds of thousands of Americans... > > Yes Ah, yes. American Freedom ... to use NAFTA to drain Canadia's natural and Mehiko's human resources to pollute other countries cuz the EPA prevents multinationals doing it at home to gobble up 80% of the worlds energy resources to abscond from every major eco-saving initiative in the past decade to abuse free trade for its own benefit for Union Carbide to kill and maim 6000 in Bopal without paying damages for its multinationals to carve up Indonesia and kill 10^6 for pure profit to train and lead Tibetans to battle with les Chinois and then abandon them to install dictatorships in the 3rd world and exploit the politics of poverty to create monsters like Bin Ladin and Hussein and Mcvey to profit from arms sales to all sides in all wars ... where does it end? > It's a no brainer... You said it. All America has to do is a little foreign policy navel gazing to see why others hate them. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From jmorris at intercode.com.au Tue Oct 23 00:58:03 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Rick Welykochy wrote: > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > > > To protect American Freedom and hundreds of thousands of Americans... > > > > Yes > > Ah, yes. > > > American Freedom ... > > > to gobble up 80% of the worlds energy resources > This might have something to do with generating 80% of the world's economy. - James -- James Morris From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Oct 23 01:19:55 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, James Morris wrote: > > to gobble up 80% of the worlds energy resources > > This might have something to do with generating 80% of the world's economy. It really really could, James. Let's hope so. That will make things so much better for all of us. Beaujolais! I will pray for all our sorry arses. Next week on "Why We Do It": why Austrians, Canucks, Slopeheads, Wetbacks, Pollacks, Ruskies, Kikes, Niggers, Rednecks, Pooves, Dykes, Transgenders, Abos, Females, Users, Lusers, Abusers and Suckers are hated. Stay tuned, kiddies. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Oct 23 01:52:10 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, James Morris wrote: > This might have something to do with generating 80% of the world's economy. You've got your numbers upside down. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Oct 23 02:01:14 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011023132607.B6588@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > I think you need to spend more time proofreading your mail before you hit > the HAPPY-SEND button. DO NOT TAUNT THE HAPPY FUN SEND BUTTON. From doug at pigeonhold.com Tue Oct 23 02:25:15 2001 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, James Morris wrote: > > > This might have something to do with generating 80% of the world's economy. > > You've got your numbers upside down. Total World GDP, 2000AD, 41 trillion USD [1] USA GDP, 2000AD, 10 trillion USD [2] Therefore I can conclude that approx 25% of world GDP is generated in the US. The second largest economy, Japan, has a 2000 GDP of 3.15 trillion USD [3] or 7.7% of world GDP. Good old Blighty has a 2000 GDP of 1.36 trillion USD [4], or almost 5% of world GDP. I could go on forever. doug. [1] http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/TCEH/1998_Draft/World_GDP/Estimating_World_GDP.html [2] http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html [3] http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html [4] http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html -- but Keptin, isn't this where the newclear wessles are kept? From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Oct 23 03:00:12 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: (Rick Welykochy's message of "Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:20:05 +1000 (EST)") References: <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: Rick Welykochy writes: > for its multinationals to carve up Indonesia and kill 10^6 for pure > profit ahh, yes. Those Evil American Multinationals. -- So arbitrary and so foolish. I can only say you are incurable. I feel sad for you, feel sad for your poor judging ability. -- LYWANG on Salon's ``Table Talk'' From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Oct 23 03:00:57 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Doug Winter wrote: > Therefore I can conclude that approx 25% of world GDP is generated in the > US. Nice, I'd thought it was 20%. So, the numbers were quite exactly upside down. More important than absolute numbers is the trend, though. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Tue Oct 23 03:59:05 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: ; from rick@praxis.com.au on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 04:19:55 -0400 References: Message-ID: <20011023065905.C14256@www2.mrbrklyn.com> There is also the matter of feed 80% of the worlds population.. On 2001.10.23 04:19:55 -0400 Rick Welykochy wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, James Morris wrote: > > to gobble up 80% of the worlds energy resources > > This might have something to do with generating 80% of the world's economy. It really really could, James. Let's hope so. That will make things so much better for all of us. Beaujolais! I will pray for all our sorry arses. Next week on "Why We Do It": why Austrians, Canucks, Slopeheads, Wetbacks, Pollacks, Ruskies, Kikes, Niggers, Rednecks, Pooves, Dykes, Transgenders, Abos, Females, Users, Lusers, Abusers and Suckers are hated. Stay tuned, kiddies. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From doug at pigeonhold.com Tue Oct 23 05:23:53 2001 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011023065905.C14256@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ruben Safir wrote: > There is also the matter of feed 80% of the worlds population.. The juice was not strong, but: World Total Grain Output 1999/00 1,871.22 Million Tonnes US Total Grain Output 1999/00 332.24 Million Tonnes Therefore the US produces 17.7% of the worlds grain supply. Of the US total, 88.85M Tonnes are exported against the World Export total of 281.81M Tonnes, providing 31.5% of the world grain export market. All figures from the US Department of Agriculture "World Agricultural Supply and Demand Estimates 12 Oct 2001" http://www.usda.gov/oce/waob/wasde/latest.pdf doug. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Oct 23 07:02:00 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: <20011018154814.G9581@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > REVOLUCION! No pasaran. From elharaty at zork.net Tue Oct 23 07:08:51 2001 From: elharaty at zork.net (Emad El-Haraty) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022201902.A4316@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022190308.E6301@zork.net> <20011022201902.A4316@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011023070851.F6301@zork.net> begin Monkey Master quotation: > begin Emad El-Haraty quotation: > > begin Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO quotation: > > > Not that we REALLY have a choice. We didn't cry over the German > > > population when fighting the Nazi's under the false assumption > > > that the German people didn't support them and therefor, can not > > > be made victems of American Firepower. > > > > First, you cant draw a parallel between Nazi Germany and the > > current state of affairs. > > > Boy, Emad. You sure haven't been on the Innurnet long, have you? > > > > You need to read up on the DOD RFC #7242: "Transmission of > political rhetoric over Nazi analogy in heterogeneous computer > networks." > > What reference did people use before WWII when they were losing an argument and needed to make an analogy? -- Emad El-Haraty If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. From jaq at spacepants.org Tue Oct 23 07:46:09 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011023070851.F6301@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022190308.E6301@zork.net> <20011022201902.A4316@zork.net> <20011023070851.F6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011024004609.A13675@willow.spacepants.org> begin Monkey Master quotation: > Boy, Emad. You sure haven't been on the Innurnet long, have you? This one time, at band camp, Emad El-Haraty wrote: >What reference did people use before WWII when they were losing an >argument and needed to make an analogy? Shit, he's been on the interweb longer than anyone! -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From neale at woozle.org Tue Oct 23 07:56:19 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug Winter writes: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ruben Safir wrote: >> There is also the matter of feed 80% of the worlds population.. > Of the US total, 88.85M Tonnes are exported against the World Export > total of 281.81M Tonnes, providing 31.5% of the world grain export > market. He just said "feed", he didn't say "grain export". Obviously, he is also taking into consideration the amount of Lik-Em-Aid and McNuggets that we so generously share with the rest of the world. From jmorris at intercode.com.au Tue Oct 23 08:07:14 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Doug Winter wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, James Morris wrote: > > > > > This might have something to do with generating 80% of the world's economy. > > > > You've got your numbers upside down. > > Total World GDP, 2000AD, 41 trillion USD [1] > > USA GDP, 2000AD, 10 trillion USD [2] > > Therefore I can conclude that approx 25% of world GDP is generated in the > US. Well of course, if you want to use mathematics, you'll get those kinds of numbers. - James -- James Morris From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 23 09:39:55 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011023070851.F6301@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022190308.E6301@zork.net> <20011022201902.A4316@zork.net> <20011023070851.F6301@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011023093955.B4316@zork.net> begin Emad El-Haraty quotation: > What reference did people use before WWII when they were losing an > argument and needed to make an analogy? Usually the Aeneid. Why? -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 23 09:42:16 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011023065905.C14256@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011023065905.C14256@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20011023094216.C4316@zork.net> begin Ruben Safir quotation: > There is also the matter of feed 80% of the worlds population.. So everyone but PRC, then? -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From claviola at alternex.com.br Tue Oct 23 10:32:26 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscriptionnotification] In-Reply-To: ; from Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 04:02:00PM +0200 References: <20011018154814.G9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011023153226.B15008@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 04:02:00PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > > > REVOLUCION! > > No pasaran. ?Ay caramba! -- Carlos Laviola From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 23 11:11:56 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011023111156.G4316@zork.net> You are a mouth-breathing yahoo user, and will not be allowed to post. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- vonbratty@yahoo.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Oct 23 11:12:40 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Next week on "Why We Do It": why Austrians, Canucks, Slopeheads, Wetbacks, > Pollacks, Ruskies, Kikes, Niggers, Rednecks, Pooves, Dykes, Transgenders, > Abos, Females, Users, Lusers, Abusers and Suckers are hated. Its because they all have orange dicks. -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Tue Oct 23 11:21:09 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sometime in October Eugene Leitl assaulted keyboard and produced... |Nice, I'd thought it was 20%. So, the numbers were quite exactly upside |down. | |More important than absolute numbers is the trend, though. the inverse of .8 is 1.25 -- john -dirt it's what we die for. From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 23 11:23:48 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] San Francisco to be Strafed by ISS Message-ID: <20011023112348.H4316@zork.net> Thanks to Seth for this one. ----- Forwarded message from David Farber ----- >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:12:00 -0700 >To: David Farber >From: "Joseph C. Pistritto" >Subject: Not Anthrax: - Californians can see the Space Station tonight! > >In case you've never seen a satellite before from the ground, or live >in a big city, now's your chance if you live on the west coast. The >pass will go directly overhead San Francisco and then basically down >highway 5 past San Diego and into Baja California. So almost anyone >in California should be able to see it clearly. ISS is bright enough >that if you can see the sky, you can even see it in San Francisco or >LA for the most part. > >Look straight up at 7:09 PM Pacific tonight. It wont be completely >dark then, but ISS is bright enough. You'll probably think you're >seeing an airplane. > >It will appear about 7:07 near the end of the "handle" of the big >Dipper and progress to a point straight over head (85 degrees up) at >7:09:40. I observed the pass last night which wasn't as good and it >was right on time. Watch it when its approaching overhead, you'll >see it brighten dramatically a couple of times. Those are sun glints >off the solar arrays. They were very bright last night, almost >doubling the brightness of the object. > >A description of the pass is at: >http://platec.gsoc.dlr.de/ion/ion-p.exe?page=iss%5Cissobs.ion&lo=-122.3086&la=37.5083&t=24%2DOct%2D2001+01%3A49%3A42&zone=-7.00 > >www.heavens-above.com is a great site for figuring out what you can >see from your location. Its run by the German Space Operations >Agency. > >ISS is now the brightest of all the satellites and the easiest to >view. Tonight there will be a Soyuz capsule from the recent launch >from Russia with a French cosmonaut on board. You will be looking at >the home of the only 6 people living off the surface of the earth. >(ISS normally has a crew of 3 but the other 3 are visiting to >exchange Soyuz capsules at the station. The new group of 3 arrived >today and will be leaving next week). > > > >Joseph C. Pistritto Cell: 650 464 4859 >jcp@jcphome.com Web: www.jcphome.com > For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 23 11:25:22 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011023112522.I4316@zork.net> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > Sometime in October Eugene Leitl assaulted keyboard and produced... > |Nice, I'd thought it was 20%. So, the numbers were quite exactly > |upside down. > > the inverse of .8 is 1.25 Score one for the revolutionary communist chemists! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Oct 23 13:12:42 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011023065905.C14256@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ruben Safir wrote: > There is also the matter of feed 80% of the worlds population.. Whattssa mattah wit dat, monkey troll? _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Oct 23 14:14:51 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Agenda Computing releases 56k modem! Message-ID: wow, I was just on the http://www.agendacomputing.com/ to check if they'd released a keyboard yet, which might make it worthwhile to attempt the recently-become-legendary init=/usr/bin/emacs trick on it. They haven't. They've done something even BETTER! I nearly wet my pants when I discovered they had released a 56k modem! Coupled with Agenda Computing's unrivaled plethora of open-source mindtools, I can now use Agenda's email, fax, and browser applications (released since April 2001, and now in their second generation I assume) while on-the-go, without being tethered to bulky traditional modems. Wired-line modems fit so well with mobile computing that I'm going to go buy one, right away, so that I can add m-email to the on-the-go Linux-based lifestyle that I am developing. -- So arbitrary and so foolish. I can only say you are incurable. I feel sad for you, feel sad for your poor judging ability. -- LYWANG on Salon's ``Table Talk'' From miker at bootyhouse.org Tue Oct 23 15:04:26 2001 From: miker at bootyhouse.org (Mike Robinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Agenda Computing releases 56k modem! Message-ID: <200110232204.f9NM4Qi09185@beef.bootyhouse.org> >on-the-go Linux-based lifestyle that I am developing. Because, of course, back on the desktop you'll be synching to Outlook. (or somefin else that runs on... what'd they say... Windows 95/98/2000/me or NT4.0) gotta love it. m. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 23 15:54:14 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Agenda Computing releases 56k modem! In-Reply-To: <200110232204.f9NM4Qi09185@beef.bootyhouse.org> References: <200110232204.f9NM4Qi09185@beef.bootyhouse.org> Message-ID: <20011023155414.K4316@zork.net> begin Mike Robinson quotation: > gotta love it. Your machine was named "beef.bootyhouse.org". You rock. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 23 20:18:14 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] entertain me! Message-ID: <20011023201814.A26430@zork.net> You all disgust me. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From phorst at ointment.org Tue Oct 23 20:34:32 2001 From: phorst at ointment.org (Peter Horst) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] entertain me! In-Reply-To: <20011023201814.A26430@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:18:14PM -0700 References: <20011023201814.A26430@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011023223432.H27678@pozzo.ointment.org> On Oct23, 20:18PM, Nick Moffitt wrote: > You all disgust me. > > -- > "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." > -- Mikael Pawlo > 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! > ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > Could be worse. You could be on the Deleuze/Guattari list: >From owner-deleuze-guattari@lists.village.virginia.edu Tue Oct 23 21:39:16 2001 From: guillame debord Subject: Re: fucking shit To: deleuze-guattari@lists.village.virginia.edu helpU S IN THE NAME OF FOUCAULT GOD HELPD US --- fq wrote: > jesus christ this list is pathetic > -- "You have no chance of turning in anything tomorrow. Go out and have a beer or something." --osmium on c.l.c++ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 23 20:38:18 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] entertain me! In-Reply-To: <20011023223432.H27678@pozzo.ointment.org> References: <20011023201814.A26430@zork.net> <20011023223432.H27678@pozzo.ointment.org> Message-ID: <20011023203818.A26682@zork.net> begin Peter Horst quotation: > Could be worse. You could be on the Deleuze/Guattari list: I repent! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Oct 24 07:20:20 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit References: Message-ID: <3BD6CE24.F16323B4@praxis.com.au> harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: > the inverse of .8 is 1.25 crap. the inverse of .8 is -.8 _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From zen at zork.net Tue Oct 23 21:28:47 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <3BD6CE24.F16323B4@praxis.com.au> References: <3BD6CE24.F16323B4@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20011023212847.A30000@zork.net> begin Rick Welykochy quotation: > > the inverse of .8 is 1.25 > > crap. > > the inverse of .8 is -.8 No. That's the OPPOSITE. .8 = 8/10. .8^-1 = 10/8 = 5/4 = 1.25. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Oct 24 07:38:37 2001 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit References: <3BD6CE24.F16323B4@praxis.com.au> <20011023212847.A30000@zork.net> Message-ID: <3BD6D26D.3BC8E503@praxis.com.au> George Moffitt wrote: > begin Rick Welykochy quotation: > > the inverse of .8 is -.8 > > No. That's the OPPOSITE. > .8 = 8/10. .8^-1 = 10/8 = 5/4 = 1.25. There is no arihtmetic operator called OPPOSITE. The additive inverse of .8 is -.8 The multiplicative inverse of .8 is 1.25 I am not in the least even phased that I really must tell you this again and again and again and even again. Next. _____________________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited Maybe you well excitement when you read the mail. Maybe you well consider that the E-mail is borbage. Internet be ahead one thousand dollar for one month. GoingPlatinum----hard-won hap From 1paul at optushome.com.au Wed Oct 24 06:16:37 2001 From: 1paul at optushome.com.au (Paul Cameron) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011023212847.A30000@zork.net> References: <3BD6CE24.F16323B4@praxis.com.au> <20011023212847.A30000@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011024231637.A18983@optushome.com.au> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 09:28:47PM -0700, George Moffitt wrote: > begin Rick Welykochy quotation: > > > the inverse of .8 is 1.25 > > > > crap. > > > > the inverse of .8 is -.8 > > No. That's the OPPOSITE. > .8 = 8/10. .8^-1 = 10/8 = 5/4 = 1.25. ^^^^^ I tried this by doing a bitwise xor on the floating point representations of those numbers on my Mobile Pentium II stepping 10, but the answer was nonsensical (stupid ieee floating point crappe). Subsequently, here are the 64 bits I could access: 1000000000011001100110011001100110011001100110011001100110011010 I hope that makes some sort of sense to you. Paul. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 24 09:52:55 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <3BD6D26D.3BC8E503@praxis.com.au> References: <3BD6CE24.F16323B4@praxis.com.au> <20011023212847.A30000@zork.net> <3BD6D26D.3BC8E503@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <871yjt7zfc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "RW" == Rick Welykochy writes: RW> I am not in the least even phased that I really must tell you RW> this again and again and again and even again. RW> Next. OK, I'll take my shot. Unless you're talking about getting shot by Star Track guns, I think you mean "fazed." ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 24 10:58:44 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mr.bad@pigdog.org: Re: [Pigdog] Humans Doomed] Message-ID: <20011024105844.B26682@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from "Mr. Bad" ----- >>>>> "TM" == Tjames Madison writes: TM> His apocalyse ideas have generally been loudly ridiculed by TM> the scientific community as a whole. You know, it's entirely possible that someone has hacked into his on-board computer and he didn't really say _any_ of that shit. Times headline: "Hawking says, 'U have bn 0wn3d, Gr33tz to LowM4n, Free Dmitry!'; Scientific Community Baffled" ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 24 12:25:56 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: [Pigdog] Pot legal in England?] Message-ID: <20011024122556.C26682@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001370532,00.html -- El Destino Pigdog British Marijuana Law correspondent http://www.pigdog.org/categories/Bush_Family_Hi_Jinx.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From joakim at ximian.com Wed Oct 24 13:11:36 2001 From: joakim at ximian.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <1003954299.1150.2.camel@malleus> On Sat, 2001-10-20 at 00:37, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > At 17.20 -0600 01-10-19, Joakim Ziegler wrote: >>>>Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... >>>>|Che! >>>>actually it's ChE chemical engineering. >>> So what does "pitt" stand for? >>Beware, there might be Norwegian expats on this list, who also get the >>joke. You wily Swedes should not feel too secure in the use of your >>strange tongue. > The Norweigans might understand the words, but hardly the context. In that > respect they remind you a lot of the Australians. Actually, I know what "pitt" means in Swedish. I was trained by the Norwegian government to be an undercover operative in Sweden by being forced to watch "Sesam Sesam" and "Fem myror aer fler en fyra elefanter" when I was young. Luckily, I escaped to Mexico before I was to be deployed. -- Joakim Ziegler - Ximian Engineer - joakim@ximian.com - Radagast@IRC FIX sysop - Free Software Coder - Writer - FIDEL & Conglomerate hacker http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.ximian.com/ From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Oct 24 14:54:40 2001 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] entertain me! In-Reply-To: <20011023223432.H27678@pozzo.ointment.org>; from phorst@ointment.org on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:34:32PM -0500 References: <20011023201814.A26430@zork.net> <20011023223432.H27678@pozzo.ointment.org> Message-ID: <20011024145440.G12549@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:34:32PM -0500, Peter Horst wrote: > On Oct23, 20:18PM, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > You all disgust me. > > > > -- > > "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." > > -- Mikael Pawlo > > 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! > > ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) But what about the sheer amazement! -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From dtype at dtype.org Wed Oct 24 15:11:37 2001 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! Message-ID: <20011024221137.O8723@dtype.org> Well, I finally got hooked on the worlds greatest game. Just because I can't find a good public server to collect scores on, I started one myself. * telnet to port 4000 of dtype.org To answer your questions... yes, it is chrooted. yes, it is non-privileged, etc, etc. Also, I'm still working out term issues, but for now the "DECgraphics" option plus the color option produces the best result for me. I'll be putting up high score display web pages soon, as well as working out a rudimentary login system better than the "what is your name?" currently used. This would allow you to lock in a name for use/savegames. Please let me know if you have any problems or suggestions. Damn this addictive game. Damn it to hell. -drew -- M. Drew Streib | http://dtype.org/ FSG | Linux International freedb | SourceForge From pedro at tastytronic.net Wed Oct 24 15:15:05 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011017145651.W16206@samurai.com> References: <20011013182613.B9192@zgp.org> <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017145651.W16206@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011024171505.T12343@tastytronic.net> Quoting Bryan Fullerton: > > http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Seattlepix6.html Nice TERMINATOR 2 Font the MONORAIL SOCIETY has. Is the monorail pilot a liquid metal cyborg? pedro From mikael at pawlo.com Wed Oct 24 15:32:17 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Will the real Rick Moen please stand up In-Reply-To: <20011017031448.S4669@linuxmafia.com> References: Message-ID: At 03.14 -0700 01-10-17, Rick Moen wrote: >> You must have been picking my brain again. I was just considering >> opening a Rick Moen of my own. What do you think of the corner of >> Sveavagen and Kungsgatan? Or is that just too obvious? >Right underneath the "svampen" would be perfect. You could jack it >right into the telephone cluster. I have given up on my wireless Rick Moen plans, but I want to grasp this opportunity to educate you all in some Stockholm trivia. This is by no means news to Rick Moen. If you are Rick Moen or one of his wireless clones, you should stop reading now. Svampen is actually the Swedish equivalent of the World Trade Center Twin Towers. This is where the financial elite meet at lunch hour to use their cell phones and to show off their new pin stripe suits. Svampen is a giant mushroom built of procelain or maybe out of concrete. It's base is white and the head is read. It looks very much like this, only bigger (the girl is not included in the standard Svampen package): http://www.tateknik.se/products/svamp/svamp.htm sdrageR leakiM _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From joakim at ximian.com Wed Oct 24 15:30:44 2001 From: joakim at ximian.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1003962647.1271.38.camel@malleus> On Mon, 2001-10-22 at 14:37, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, mike dillon wrote: >> Mr. CEO, you, sir, are a puling fuckwit. > Not Blaylock's Pule? Of course, you should know what "pule" means in Norwegian. -- Joakim Ziegler - Ximian Engineer - joakim@ximian.com - Radagast@IRC FIX sysop - Free Software Coder - Writer - FIDEL & Conglomerate hacker http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.ximian.com/ From joakim at ximian.com Wed Oct 24 15:32:15 2001 From: joakim at ximian.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1003962737.1150.41.camel@malleus> On Mon, 2001-10-22 at 14:47, Eugene Leitl wrote: > IIRC, you achive minimum 180 km/h (spreadeagled) and maximum 210 km/h > (head down). (Stratospheric jumps excluded, these can be supersonic). > These velocities are achieved very soon after free fall, so the actual > altitude is very soon irrelevant, as the impact speed is the same. (Of > course, you can asphyxiate or freeze to death if you exit too high, and > much fun ensues if you eject at slightly subsonic or even supersonic > speeds). You make that sound like so much fun that I'm really curious about what exactly happens under these circumstances. Care to elaborate? -- Joakim Ziegler - Ximian Engineer - joakim@ximian.com - Radagast@IRC FIX sysop - Free Software Coder - Writer - FIDEL & Conglomerate hacker http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.ximian.com/ From joakim at ximian.com Wed Oct 24 15:36:43 2001 From: joakim at ximian.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> <20011022155856.A5290@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022150016.B6301@zork.net> <20011022200128.I9964@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20011022175102.D6301@zork.net> <20011022211404.A10695@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <1003963005.1558.43.camel@malleus> On Mon, 2001-10-22 at 19:14, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote: > Not that we REALLY have a choice. We didn't cry over the German population > when > fighting the Nazi's under the false assumption that the German people > didn't support them and therefor, can not be made victems of American > Firepower. Godwin's Law. You lose. -- Joakim Ziegler - Ximian Engineer - joakim@ximian.com - Radagast@IRC FIX sysop - Free Software Coder - Writer - FIDEL & Conglomerate hacker http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.ximian.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 24 15:44:10 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] entertain me! In-Reply-To: <20011024145440.G12549@dasbistro.com> References: <20011023201814.A26430@zork.net> <20011023223432.H27678@pozzo.ointment.org> <20011024145440.G12549@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20011024154410.F26682@zork.net> begin Sam Phillips quotation: > > On Oct23, 20:18PM, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! > > > ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) > > But what about the sheer amazement! Fantastico! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 24 15:48:22 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:56 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024221137.O8723@dtype.org> References: <20011024221137.O8723@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011024154822.G26682@zork.net> begin M. Drew Streib quotation: > Well, I finally got hooked on the worlds greatest game. [...] > * telnet to port 4000 of dtype.org Sorry, man. I telnetted there, but your TradeWars 2002 server seems to have been replaced with nethack! I eagerly await your restoring the world's greatest game to the public sphere! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dtype at dtype.org Wed Oct 24 15:54:51 2001 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024154822.G26682@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011024225451.Q8723@dtype.org> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 03:48:22PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > Sorry, man. I telnetted there, but your TradeWars 2002 server > seems to have been replaced with nethack! I eagerly await your > restoring the world's greatest game to the public sphere! Ok, I'll grant that TW2002 is the world's greatest _multi_player game, while nethack is the world's greatest _single_player game. /me goes to look at the state of TW2002 source, and notes that there are many other free ports on the server. -drew -- M. Drew Streib | http://dtype.org/ FSG | Linux International freedb | SourceForge From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 24 16:04:38 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] entertain me! In-Reply-To: <20011024154410.F26682@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 03:44:10PM -0700 References: <20011023201814.A26430@zork.net> <20011023223432.H27678@pozzo.ointment.org> <20011024145440.G12549@dasbistro.com> <20011024154410.F26682@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011024180437.D11263@magic.umn.edu> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 03:44:10PM -0700, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Sam Phillips quotation: > > > On Oct23, 20:18PM, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > > 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! > > > > ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) > > > > But what about the sheer amazement! > > Fantastico! Awww... I bwoke it... -- Brian Hicks "Crush the lesser races! Conquer the PGP: 0xADDD1F16 galaxy! Incredible power, unlimited rice pudding, et cetera, et cetera." -- The Doctor From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 24 16:06:42 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024225451.Q8723@dtype.org> References: <20011024154822.G26682@zork.net> <20011024225451.Q8723@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011024160642.I26682@zork.net> begin M. Drew Streib quotation: > Ok, I'll grant that TW2002 is the world's greatest _multi_player game, > while nethack is the world's greatest _single_player game. Aha, I see. > /me goes to look at the state of TW2002 source, and notes that there > are many other free ports on the server. Well, I bugged them about tw2002 a few times, and the response was always "Well, it's really horrible looking TurboPascal with a bunch of old shit left over from the GWBASIC days. You really don't want to use this code. Besides, we're writing a new version." So I've played the new version, and it sucks. Why does it suck? because it's REAL-TIME. If I wanted to play "who has the quickest fingers" I'd go buy some proprietary shit-game with 3-d skin or whatever. I was on their server, and I was exploring in my merchant cruiser, and suddenly I hit a couple of toll fighters. I fumble for a bit to pay the 16 credit fee or whatever, and in the meantime some fuqr in a T'Khasi Orion transwarps in, blasts me, and transwarps out again. Pow. No, we need to resurrect teh wide beta 8 of tradewars. I'd bug them again for the code just to get the algorithms and equations that were used to model the ports and the bad guys and everything. I'd make a Blake's Seven universe instead of a star track one, and then I'd rule the world. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From zen at zork.net Wed Oct 24 16:07:45 2001 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024225451.Q8723@dtype.org> References: <20011024154822.G26682@zork.net> <20011024225451.Q8723@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011024160745.A16209@zork.net> begin M. Drew Streib quotation: > Ok, I'll grant that TW2002 is the world's greatest _multi_player game, > while nethack is the world's greatest _single_player game. I'm sorry, but yet another distinction must be made. The greatest multi-player game of all time is Joust, whereas TW2002 is the greatest MASS-multiplayer game of all time. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 24 17:43:34 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: New Leisuretown] Message-ID: <20011024174334.K26682@zork.net> This was sent to my inbox. ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- Leisuretown has a new -- er, interface. There's probably a whole lot of new stuff up there, too -- I'm just not sure where to look. It's like a giant gameboard for Chutes and Ladders. --- El Destino Pigdog Lame Interface Game Metaphors correspondent http://www.pigdog.org/categories/Bush_Family_Hi_Jinx.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 24 18:35:10 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: New Leisuretown] In-Reply-To: <20011024174334.K26682@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: > It's like a giant gameboard for Chutes and Ladders. It's better as Snakes and Ladders. Here's some history: http://www.yesterdayland.com/popopedia/shows/toys/ty1008.php [...] Chutes and Ladders began, believe it or not, in ancient India, where it was used to teach Hindu children about right and wrong. The bases of the ladders stood on squares that symbolized different types of good, and then there were slippery snakes (that's right-it was snakes back then, not chutes) that snuck out from squares representing various types of evil. The good vs. bad literalness caught Victorian England's fancy, and in the late nineteenth century, it began to be played throughout the U.K. It was called Snakes and Ladders, and very Victorian virtues like penitence, thrift and industry were what shot a player up the ladders. The Chutes and Ladders we know today was copyrighted in 1870, and came to the U.S. thereafter. A player's progress up and through the tiers was determined by his or her turn at the plastic 'spinner.' The spinner was flicked or tapped into motion, and a player moved accordingly, arriving at squares that contained examples of good or bad deeds. Save a cat from a tree, climb a ladder. Eat too much candy or engage in scary bicycle antics, get ready to plummet. When the most severe chute was a disastrous 63-space plunge, you knew this game was no pushover. First player to the finish line won. There was no strategy here, no way to cheat, no way to outsmart opponents with slippery head games or a convincing poker face-which was all as it should be, since psychological warfare and morality-teaching don't usually mix [1]. Because the results of the spinning arrow were completely random, progress through the tiers was luck-based, evening the odds for everyone. The only safe thing to bet on was that the lessons would keep coming and coming. [...] But the juice starts flowing here: http://www.levity.com/figment/ladders.html [...] Snakes and Ladders My favorite analogy for my own somewhat schizophrenic spiritual explorations is the kid's game Snakes and Ladders (known more antiseptically as Chutes and Ladders). In the game, you begin at the bottom row of the board and advance towards the top row. If you land on a square that contains the bottom rung of a ladder you can climb straight up, skipping rows. If you land on a square that has the upper end of a snake on it you have to slide back down. Of course, "getting to the end" is already a component of the linear and transcendent drive towards a goal, and the game is in the ladder's camp from the get-go. The ladder is a human artifact, a tool defined by the right angles which we discover in their "pure" Platonic form in our minds rather than the sinewy forms of nature. The ladder describes a linear vector, and embodies a hierarchy of rungs. As with a pyramid, the "higher" heavenly powers rule over the lower powers of the earth. Laid on its side, the ladder describes an evolutionary movement through time, both the "great chain of being" that places man as the leader of the pack, and the millennial historical movement of towards a teleological end that exceeds the order of nature. But the serpent slips in and upsets all this order. The snake is an endless curve, a living beast that hugs the horizontal earth or coils into the Ouroboros, the primary image of cycles and return. The snake doesn't step-it flows, and never in a straight line. It's wet tongue whispers of Pagan mysteries, of chthonic and sexual powers, of the immanence of embodied spiritual experience. In one common Central American Christian icon, a snake coils at the base of a ladder set beside the crucified Christ. The snake is the "base"-the deepest instinctive life-force, the beginning, the original sin. Hindu yogis make their bodies into pyramids and force the creature coiled at the base of their spines up the ladder of their chakras. But others let the serpent lead them, through confusion and resplendent darkness, deep into the cool crevices of earth. [...] Now, pray tell, how do you get all of that with Chutes? - James -- James Morris References: [1] cf. http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/18/ret.flyers/index.html From carton at Ivy.NET Wed Oct 24 18:53:33 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <871yjt7zfc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr.Bad's message of "24 Oct 2001 09:52:55 -0700") References: <3BD6CE24.F16323B4@praxis.com.au> <20011023212847.A30000@zork.net> <3BD6D26D.3BC8E503@praxis.com.au> <871yjt7zfc.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: Mr. Bad writes: > Star Track guns, I think you mean "fazed." The correct terminology is ``phased''. Your deliberate misspellings are not a viable source of amusement. -- I am in the middle of relocating from Manhattan to a less target-rich environment for the winter - hence the disruption of the Media Watch campaign. -- Ivo Skoric From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Oct 24 19:13:37 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] HERMAPHRODITIC BULL In-Reply-To: <20011024171505.T12343@tastytronic.net>; from pedro@tastytronic.net on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:15:05PM -0500 References: <20011013184621.T13113@zork.net> <20011014131604.E20190@zgp.org> <20011016144101.V13113@zork.net> <20011016192118.B2100@zgp.org> <20011017075315.C13113@zork.net> <20011017091207.B20847@zgp.org> <20011017092415.I13113@zork.net> <20011017115108.C25700@zgp.org> <20011017145651.W16206@samurai.com> <20011024171505.T12343@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011024221337.W55836@samurai.com> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:15:05PM -0500, "Peter A. Peterson II" wrote: > Quoting Bryan Fullerton: > > > http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Seattlepix6.html I didn't say that, YOU BASTARD. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From greg at kroah.com Wed Oct 24 21:08:07 2001 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024221137.O8723@dtype.org> References: <20011024221137.O8723@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011024210807.B19298@kroah.com> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 10:11:37PM +0000, M. Drew Streib wrote: > Well, I finally got hooked on the worlds greatest game. > > Just because I can't find a good public server to collect scores on, > I started one myself. > > * telnet to port 4000 of dtype.org Wee, now to give those IT people who are sniffing the network traffic something new to wonder about. This is too much fun, thanks for doing this :) greg k-h From dtype at dtype.org Wed Oct 24 21:16:15 2001 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024210807.B19298@kroah.com> Message-ID: <20011025041615.S8723@dtype.org> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:08:07PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > * telnet to port 4000 of dtype.org > > Wee, now to give those IT people who are sniffing the network traffic > something new to wonder about. Heh, must be illegal file sharing... ;) Actually, if this is a problem at all, I have several IPs free and could just open up standard telnet port on some new IP nethack.dtype.org... Let me know if this is actually a concern at all. I wouldn't want to have anything keep people from playing at work! -drew -- M. Drew Streib | http://dtype.org/ FSG | Linux International freedb | SourceForge From aaronl at vitelus.com Wed Oct 24 21:40:13 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011025041615.S8723@dtype.org> References: <20011024210807.B19298@kroah.com> <20011025041615.S8723@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 04:16:15AM +0000, M. Drew Streib wrote: > Heh, must be illegal file sharing... ;) > > Actually, if this is a problem at all, I have several IPs free and could > just open up standard telnet port on some new IP nethack.dtype.org... > Let me know if this is actually a concern at all. I wouldn't want to have > anything keep people from playing at work! Could you open it on port 443 on one IP? The reason that I ask is that I sometimes exist within environments that filter some ports and proxy others and block the rest. In my circumstance, 80 and 23 are proxied, 22 and 443 are open, as are a few more, and the rest are blocked (OUTGOING). I don't remember about port 21. I could always tunnel through another host but that would increase latency (and your box is better connected than any of mine). It would be nice to telnet to another port and see high scores. Right now I have to start a game and quit just to see 1 11852 aaronl-Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu died in Sokoban on level 8 [max 12]. Killed by a Woodland-elf, while helpless. - [104] :) A highscore CGI would work fine too. From dtype at dtype.org Wed Oct 24 21:48:32 2001 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011025044832.T8723@dtype.org> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:40:13PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > It would be nice to telnet to another port and see high scores. Right > now I have to start a game and quit just to see OK, for now: http://dtype.org/nethackrecord.txt > A highscore CGI would work fine too. I'll be putting up a page soon with explanations, links, etc, including high scores, game stats, etc... -drew -- M. Drew Streib | http://dtype.org/ FSG | Linux International freedb | SourceForge From schoen at loyalty.org Thu Oct 25 01:01:07 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> References: <20011024210807.B19298@kroah.com> <20011025041615.S8723@dtype.org> <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011025010107.Q9020@zork.net> Aaron Lehmann writes: > 1 11852 aaronl-Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu died in Sokoban on level 8 > [max 12]. Killed by a Woodland-elf, while helpless. - [104] I beat your high score. I had an 11th level Valkyrie in the Gnomish mine town, with slow digestion (wow, that's handy), Mjollnir, Cleaver, and a rusty Vorpal Blade. AC -6, which was better before the rust monster; lots of identify scrolls. An owlbear crushed me as I was bringing a heavy corpse to sacrifice. That could be an interesting bones level. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From neale at woozle.org Thu Oct 25 07:46:58 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> References: <20011024210807.B19298@kroah.com> <20011025041615.S8723@dtype.org> <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> Message-ID: Aaron Lehmann writes: > Could you open it on port 443 on one IP? The reason that I ask is > that I sometimes exist within environments that filter some ports and > proxy others and block the rest. In my circumstance, 80 and 23 are > proxied, 22 and 443 are open, as are a few more, and the rest are > blocked (OUTGOING). I hate to point out the obvious, but couldn't you just create a dummy account whose shell is nethack (or your chrooted suid wrapper), and let people ssh in to that account? This is what I've done for my interactive fiction server ("ssh if@woozle.org" password "if"). It has the added advantage of making it difficult for employers to detect that you're goofing off playing games at work :-) Neale From aaronl at vitelus.com Thu Oct 25 08:19:05 2001 From: aaronl at vitelus.com (Aaron Lehmann) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011025010107.Q9020@zork.net> References: <20011024210807.B19298@kroah.com> <20011025041615.S8723@dtype.org> <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> <20011025010107.Q9020@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011025081905.A7542@vitelus.com> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 01:01:07AM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I beat your high score. I had an 11th level Valkyrie in the Gnomish > mine town, with slow digestion (wow, that's handy), Mjollnir, Cleaver, > and a rusty Vorpal Blade. AC -6, which was better before the rust > monster; lots of identify scrolls. An owlbear crushed me as I was > bringing a heavy corpse to sacrifice. That could be an interesting > bones level. I only had a short time to grab the lead, and didn't happen to have particularly good games. Just WAIT until this afternoon. From claviola at alternex.com.br Thu Oct 25 09:38:06 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <1003954299.1150.2.camel@malleus>; from joakim@ximian.com on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:11:36PM -0600 References: <20011018142028.F9581@zork.net> <1003954299.1150.2.camel@malleus> Message-ID: <20011025143806.A29306@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:11:36PM -0600, Joakim Ziegler wrote: > On Sat, 2001-10-20 at 00:37, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > > At 17.20 -0600 01-10-19, Joakim Ziegler wrote: > > >>>>Sometime in October Nick Moffitt assaulted keyboard and produced... > >>>>|Che! > >>>>actually it's ChE chemical engineering. > > >>> So what does "pitt" stand for? > > >>Beware, there might be Norwegian expats on this list, who also get the > >>joke. You wily Swedes should not feel too secure in the use of your > >>strange tongue. > > > The Norweigans might understand the words, but hardly the context. In that > > respect they remind you a lot of the Australians. > > Actually, I know what "pitt" means in Swedish. I was trained by the > Norwegian government to be an undercover operative in Sweden by being > forced to watch "Sesam Sesam" and "Fem myror aer fler en fyra elefanter" > when I was young. Luckily, I escaped to Mexico before I was to be > deployed. Oh, really? So if you're a real spion, what's the name of said operative? Who was your kommandantileder? -- Carlos Laviola From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 25 09:50:50 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] mmm, batty. Message-ID: <20011025095050.C26352@zork.net> http://www.slapass.net/images/batgun.jpg -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 25 10:25:32 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Canadian Socialist Terrorism In-Reply-To: <20011017212548.I17028@perkypants.org> References: <20011017212548.I17028@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011025122532.B32082@tastytronic.net> Quoting Jeff Waugh: > 'Kandahar, the citadel of Taliban power' > > Are they religious freaks, or desktop environment bigots? They're clearly bbs platform bigots. They should really use a modified mod_virgule instance. pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From leklund at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 25 10:31:49 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Canadian Socialist Terrorism In-Reply-To: <20011025122532.B32082@tastytronic.net> References: <20011017212548.I17028@perkypants.org> <20011025122532.B32082@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011025123149.E26973@tastytronic.net> Quoting Peter A. Peterson II: > They're clearly bbs platform bigots. They should really use a modified > mod_virgule instance. I wonder if the Taleban plays tradewars? -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- PUNITIVE FAITH IN A CABLE GALAXY! +++ From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 25 10:44:25 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011021170948.Q9581@zork.net> References: <20011021170948.Q9581@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011025124425.D32082@tastytronic.net> Quoting Nick Moffitt: > darxus@chaosreigns.com has been successfully subscribed to > CrackMonkey. Oooh, that's my new band name: "Chaos Rains" Or, it's a new show on the Dubya Bee. pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 25 10:46:16 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Merkin right-wing looneys behind anthrax bullshit In-Reply-To: <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> References: <20011021182644.Z9581@zork.net> <20011021210002.K2235@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011025124616.E32082@tastytronic.net> Quoting Seth David Schoen: > Total deaths per year is not a fair indication of safety when more > people drive than fly (and drive greater distances, in larger number > of hours, in more trips). The usual "fair" comparison is fatalities > per passenger mile, although you can certainly argue that that's not a > perfect comparison. Seth, Mr. Bad and I decided that your voice needs a built in reverb. pedro From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 25 10:56:37 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Canadian Socialist Terrorism In-Reply-To: <20011025123149.E26973@tastytronic.net> References: <20011017212548.I17028@perkypants.org> <20011025122532.B32082@tastytronic.net> <20011025123149.E26973@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011025105637.D26352@zork.net> begin Lukas Eklund quotation: > I wonder if the Taleban plays tradewars? This has to be the single, largest man-made object you've ever see. It continues on for miles and contains the factories for all of the amjor brands of Space-going craft. Since the materials wars of 1998 on Earth, all ship builders relocated here. You've heard many strange stories about the people and places here, but you haven't found many of either, yet. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Oct 25 12:36:03 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: ; from neale@woozle.org on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:46:58AM -0700 References: <20011024210807.B19298@kroah.com> <20011025041615.S8723@dtype.org> <20011024214012.A2029@vitelus.com> Message-ID: <20011025213603.A97542@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 25, Neale Pickett wrote: X-Thought: Guns don't kill people. It's those damn bullets. Guns just make them go really really fast. I don't really know very much about guns, but isn't it the propellant inside the bullets that makes them go really fast? -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Oct 25 13:06:36 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011025213603.A97542@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: Sometime in October Peter Lowe assaulted keyboard and produced... |On Oct 25, Neale Pickett wrote: |X-Thought: Guns don't kill people. It's those damn bullets. Guns just make them go really really fast. | |I don't really know very much about guns, but isn't it the propellant |inside the bullets that makes them go really fast? yes, thats it-chemicals kill people. we should ban all chemicals. no more water for you. hey stop breathing dont you know chemical have been banned. hey say aren't you made of chemicals. well you've been banned. time to step up to the vaporizor. -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yasir Arafat From leklund at tastytronic.net Thu Oct 25 13:13:19 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: References: <20011025213603.A97542@mini.instinct.org> Message-ID: <20011025151319.G26973@tastytronic.net> Quoting harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu: > yes, thats it-chemicals kill people. we should ban all chemicals. no more bzert chemicals don't kill people, they make your dick turn orange -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- FRANK FILM IN THE WIRED CYBERSPACE! +++ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Thu Oct 25 13:27:46 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: > yes, thats it-chemicals kill people. we should ban all chemicals. no Chemicals don't kill people, people kill people. > more water for you. hey stop breathing dont you know chemical have > been banned. hey say aren't you made of chemicals. well you've been I'm not made from chemicals. These are not the molecules you're looking for. Move along. > banned. time to step up to the vaporizor. Soylent Green is PEEEEEEEEPLE! From bryanf at samurai.com Thu Oct 25 13:58:12 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: ; from Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:27:46PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20011025165812.N55836@samurai.com> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:27:46PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: > > Chemicals don't kill people, people kill people. And natural causes. I say we ban natural causes. On another note, why are all you people too stupid to trim your fucking CCs? Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Oct 25 14:08:19 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011025165812.N55836@samurai.com> Message-ID: Sometime in October Bryan Fullerton assaulted keyboard and produced... |On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:27:46PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: |> |> Chemicals don't kill people, people kill people. | |And natural causes. I say we ban natural causes. natural causes like heart disease, kidney failure, etc. all asociated with old age which stems from free radicals floating around inside of you, smoking (yet more chemicals), dna (made from chemicals.), why cant you people see it. the bullet it's self is made from a mixture of chemicals. | |On another note, why are all you people too stupid to trim your |fucking CCs? some people learn through repetition, and need to read things several times in order to comprehend the complexities involved. -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yasir Arafat From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Oct 25 14:13:54 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, harold@rosemary.cheGuevara.pit.ettu wrote: > some people learn through repetition, and need to read things several times > in order to comprehend the complexities involved. some people learn through repetition, and need to read things several times in order to comprehend the complexities involved. -- "some people learn through repetition, and need to read things several times in order to comprehend the complexities involved." -- Ben Franklin From bryanf at samurai.com Thu Oct 25 14:22:13 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: ; from harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:08:19PM -0400 References: <20011025165812.N55836@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011025172213.R55836@samurai.com> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:08:19PM -0400, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: > To: Bryan Fullerton > Cc: Bryan Fullerton , > Bryan Fullerton , > Bryan Fullerton , > Bryan Fullerton , > Bryan Fullerton , > Bryan Fullerton , crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org My MTA is smarter than you - not difficult, admittedly - so I only received one copy. Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From pgl at mini.instinct.org Thu Oct 25 14:22:47 2001 From: pgl at mini.instinct.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011025172213.R55836@samurai.com>; from bryanf@samurai.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:22:13PM -0400 References: <20011025165812.N55836@samurai.com> <20011025172213.R55836@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011025232247.A98001@mini.instinct.org> On Oct 25, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > My MTA is smarter than you - not difficult, admittedly - so I only > received one copy. I'm telling djb. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Oct 25 14:36:13 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011025172213.R55836@samurai.com> Message-ID: Sometime in October Bryan Fullerton assaulted keyboard and produced... |On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:08:19PM -0400, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: |> To: Bryan Fullerton |> Cc: Bryan Fullerton , |> Bryan Fullerton , |> Bryan Fullerton , |> Bryan Fullerton , |> Bryan Fullerton , |> Bryan Fullerton , crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org | |My MTA is smarter than you - not difficult, admittedly - so I only |received one copy. | surely you got it twice. once from the list and once from me. now you should get it two more times: Sometime in October Bryan Fullerton assaulted keyboard and produced... |On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:27:46PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: |> |> Chemicals don't kill people, people kill people. | |And natural causes. I say we ban natural causes. natural causes like heart disease, kidney failure, etc. all asociated with old age which stems from free radicals floating around inside of you, smoking (yet more chemicals), dna (made from chemicals.), why cant you people see it. the bullet it's self is made from a mixture of chemicals. | |On another note, why are all you people too stupid to trim your |fucking CCs? some people learn through repetition, and need to read things several times in order to comprehend the complexities involved. -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yasir Arafat -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yasir Arafat From bryanf at samurai.com Thu Oct 25 14:48:37 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: ; from harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:36:13PM -0400 References: <20011025172213.R55836@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011025174837.T55836@samurai.com> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:36:13PM -0400, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: > surely you got it twice. once from the list and once from me. now you should > get it two more times: Ah, you're right, I was lumping the LDA in with the MTA. Next time I'll just say "my mail system is smarter than you". Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Oct 25 15:14:56 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:08:19 -0400 (EDT)") References: <20011025165812.N55836@samurai.com> Message-ID: harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu writes: > old age which stems from free radicals floating > around inside of you, I say, Pah, to your 20th-century squirrelhugging naturehippy nonsense. Old age is caused by poisons exhuded from inefficient mitochondira. -- BigBy sped off, lauging, through a megaphone. From harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu Thu Oct 25 15:51:13 2001 From: harrold at sage.che.pitt.edu (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sometime in October Miles Nordin assaulted keyboard and produced... |harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu writes: | |> old age which stems from free radicals floating |> around inside of you, | |I say, Pah, to your 20th-century squirrelhugging naturehippy nonsense. |Old age is caused by poisons exhuded from inefficient mitochondira. ^^^^^^^ and what might these "poisions" be made of? i think the solution here is clear. for the sake of humanity we need to get rid of all chemicals. -- john (On going to war over religion) "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend --Yasir Arafat From mdillon at standmed.com Thu Oct 25 16:06:53 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: ; from harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 06:51:13PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20011025160653.A20360@lxbox3.standmed.int> begin harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu quotation: > and what might these "poisions" be made of? i think the solution here > is clear. for the sake of humanity we need to get rid of all > chemicals. That may be a little more difficult than we're able to handle, so how about we just have you GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST instead. -md From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 25 16:41:01 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011025164101.E26352@zork.net> begin Sean Moffitt quotation: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, harold@rosemary.cheGuevara.pit.ettu wrote: > > > some people learn through repetition, and need to read things > > several times in order to comprehend the complexities involved. > > some people learn through repetition, and need to read things > several times in order to comprehend the complexities involved. I'm surprised I had to explain this to you. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Oct 25 16:31:07 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: (harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu's message of "Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:51:13 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu writes: > what might these "poisions" be made of? Radicals, I believe. -- BigBy sped off, lauging, through a megaphone. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 17:27:55 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The double life of Bruce Schneier Message-ID: <20011025192755.A1175@magic.umn.edu> Not only does he get an excuse to eat out a lot, he can work on applying the priciples of bistromath to cryptography! http://www.pulsetc.com/General/etye.htm -- Brian Hicks "Crush the lesser races! Conquer the PGP: 0xADDD1F16 galaxy! Incredible power, unlimited rice pudding, et cetera, et cetera." -- The Doctor From jmorris at intercode.com.au Thu Oct 25 18:07:08 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dilbert Random Number Generator (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:41:31 -0700 From: Bill Stewart To: cypherpunks@lne.com Cc: cryptography@wasabisystems.com Subject: Dilbert Random Number Generator Dilbert's been visiting the Trolls In Accounting, who have been spitting all over his data. Now he's on a tour, and the troll is showing him their random number generator. http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2001182781025.gif --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo@wasabisystems.com From jaq at spacepants.org Thu Oct 25 18:50:34 2001 From: jaq at spacepants.org (Jamie Wilkinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011026115034.A10066@willow.spacepants.org> This one time, at band camp, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: >Sometime in October Miles Nordin assaulted keyboard and produced... > >|harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu writes: >| >|> old age which stems from free radicals floating >|> around inside of you, >| >|I say, Pah, to your 20th-century squirrelhugging naturehippy nonsense. >|Old age is caused by poisons exhuded from inefficient mitochondira. > ^^^^^^^ >and what might these "poisions" be made of? i think the solution here is >clear. for the sake of humanity we need to get rid of all chemicals. I get the impression you don't like your job. -- jaq@spacepants.org http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg This port may thing it's fortified, butt I seem to be mounting a pretty good assault From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 25 19:55:48 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dilbert Random Number Generator (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011025195547.I26352@zork.net> And you are forwarding us dilbert because...? -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Thu Oct 25 20:34:05 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dilbert Random Number Generator (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20011025195547.I26352@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Monkey Master wrote: > And you are forwarding us dilbert because...? > Because I care. - James -- James Morris From jays at panix.com Thu Oct 25 21:59:29 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [lvlug] Zork (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:32:22 -0400 From: Kodrik Reply-To: lvlug@lvlug.org To: lvlug@lvlug.org Subject: [lvlug] Zork I said I wouldn't post until my zork is completelly finished. Wel it is, random encounters, dying, multiple saves, player queueing, log, player high scores... And I gave it it's own url too: http://phpzork.com I needed a site to set up on my machine, so this little program was the perfect excuse fot it.I can now work on the email, virtual hosting, dns... using phpzork as a guinea pig; and everyone else can play! _______________________________________________ lvlug mailing list lvlug@thcnet.net http://thcnet.net/mailman/listinfo/lvlug From claviola at alternex.com.br Fri Oct 26 04:14:01 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011024221137.O8723@dtype.org>; from dtype@dtype.org on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 10:11:37PM +0000 References: <20011024221137.O8723@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011026091401.A20796@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 10:11:37PM +0000, M. Drew Streib wrote: > Well, I finally got hooked on the worlds greatest game. > > Just because I can't find a good public server to collect scores on, > I started one myself. > > * telnet to port 4000 of dtype.org Meanwhile, your OpenNap server is still down... Did the RIAA congsilieris advise you to shut it down or something? -- Carlos Laviola From neale at woozle.org Fri Oct 26 08:17:38 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] nethack ho! In-Reply-To: <20011026115034.A10066@willow.spacepants.org> References: <20011026115034.A10066@willow.spacepants.org> Message-ID: Jamie Wilkinson writes: > This one time, at band camp, harrold@sage.che.pitt.edu wrote: >> and what might these "poisions" be made of? i think the solution here is >> clear. for the sake of humanity we need to get rid of all chemicals. > I get the impression you don't like your job. ... or perhaps he likes it *too* much. He writes, in order: 1. A question about poisons Why is *he* asking about poisons? Who's the chemical engineer here? This seems an odd question from a fellow in his field, but keep reading... 2. The solution is clear Here he reveals himself. The poison question was rhetorical: he knows exactly what the poisons are, they're clear solutions. Solutions which he is brewing in his laboratory! 3. We need to get rid of all chemicals And who would be the most cabable of getting rid of these chemicals? Why, chemical engineers! And where do you suppose these chemicals will be disposed? IN HARROLD'S LABORATORY, I'll bet! Clever, harrold, but not clever enough. You'll never get away with it! From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 26 12:03:08 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Operation Eternal Bloodshed now accurately reenacting Vietnam war Message-ID: <20011026120308.L26352@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- [Didn't see this one on CNN...] Forwarded-by: "Colin Burgess" http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=224642&thesection=news&thesubsection=world First US ground attack 'could have ended in disaster' 26.10.2001 By KIM SENGUPTA The much-hyped first American ground attack on Afghanistan ran into fierce unexpected resistance and almost ended in disaster, senior defence sources have disclosed. The public admissions by Donald Rumsfeld, the US Secretary of State for Defence, and US Navy Rear Admiral John Stufflebeem that they were surprised by the toughness of the Taleban gives a glimpse of how badly things could have gone wrong. The attack was meant to be a purely cosmetic exercise for the benefit of the media and the public against a relatively safe and poorly defended target. But there had been a failure of intelligence, and the troops from the elite 75th Rangers Regiment ran into such heavy fire on the ground near Kandahar that they had to beat a hasty retreat. A Chinook helicopter airlifting them out lost its undercarriage and had to make a forced landing. The Pentagon presented the operation as a complete success and evidence that Operation Enduring Freedom was going according to plan. There was blanket and mainly adulatory media coverage on both sides of the Atlantic with the prognosis that the ground war had begun. But, instead, what happened last weekend made US and British planners at central command in Tampa, Florida, reappraise the military campaign, and continue with air strikes rather than carry out any more missions on the ground. Within 24 hours the Pentagon has requested special forces troops from Britain and Australia. And the British government was forced to consider a much larger deployment of ground troops than originally envisaged. The near shambles on the first Afghan ground mission had unhappy memories for the Americans of Somalia where 18 soldiers died when their two Black Hawk helicopters were shot down by militiamen. There, too, intelligence had underestimated the opposition. One senior defence source said yesterday about the Afghan operation; "The intelligence had been quite clear that the target near Kandahar was pretty easy to take out. But what the Rangers discovered was that the Taleban force there fighting back quite hard. The enemy regrouped very well and their counter attack was such that the Rangers made a tactical withdrawl. That's when the Chinook got into difficulties and lost its undercarriage." " Some of us are surprised that such senior US figures are surprised at the tenacity of the Afghans. They had been fighting for the last 20 years." Yesterday, the British chief of defence staff, Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, pointed out that to beat the Taleban in their own lair would need serious long term commitment and not just commando raids. Pointedly, he added " The quick pinprick operation will be valid for certain targets where you have really good intelligence. Sometimes one might have to stay longer to achieve a proper reconnaissance of the area you are looking at." Sir Michael's views were contrary to that of Mr Rumsfeld who had been repeatedly declaring that this was going to be a "new kind of war" of super sophisticated commando operations. The differences between the two men first appeared when Mr Rumsfeld contradicted Sir Michael's view that the campaign could drag on until next year - only to have the embarrassment of his own chief of staff, General Richard Myers, too, talking about operations stretching until next spring. - INDEPENDENT ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sno at heavensgate.org Tue Oct 23 23:44:22 2001 From: sno at heavensgate.org (sno) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (no subject) Message-ID: <20011024064422.A186@entropy.dyndns.dk> unsubscribe sno@heavensgate.org From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Fri Oct 26 12:55:31 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Operation Eternal Bloodshed now accurately reenacting Vietnam war In-Reply-To: <20011026120308.L26352@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 15:03:08 -0400 References: <20011026120308.L26352@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011026155531.I6186@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Not suprising if it is true. It's not tht I don't think we can take them out. I just don't see us having a "New kind of War" which now dates back to Vietnam, as opposed to the "Old Kind of War", like the Civil War, WW1 and WW2. Ruben __________ On 2001.10.26 15:03:08 -0400 Nick Moffitt wrote: ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- [Didn't see this one on CNN...] Forwarded-by: "Colin Burgess" http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=224642&thesection=news&thesubsection=world First US ground attack 'could have ended in disaster' 26.10.2001 By KIM SENGUPTA The much-hyped first American ground attack on Afghanistan ran into fierce unexpected resistance and almost ended in disaster, senior defence sources have disclosed. The public admissions by Donald Rumsfeld, the US Secretary of State for Defence, and US Navy Rear Admiral John Stufflebeem that they were surprised by the toughness of the Taleban gives a glimpse of how badly things could have gone wrong. The attack was meant to be a purely cosmetic exercise for the benefit of the media and the public against a relatively safe and poorly defended target. But there had been a failure of intelligence, and the troops from the elite 75th Rangers Regiment ran into such heavy fire on the ground near Kandahar that they had to beat a hasty retreat. A Chinook helicopter airlifting them out lost its undercarriage and had to make a forced landing. The Pentagon presented the operation as a complete success and evidence that Operation Enduring Freedom was going according to plan. There was blanket and mainly adulatory media coverage on both sides of the Atlantic with the prognosis that the ground war had begun. But, instead, what happened last weekend made US and British planners at central command in Tampa, Florida, reappraise the military campaign, and continue with air strikes rather than carry out any more missions on the ground. Within 24 hours the Pentagon has requested special forces troops from Britain and Australia. And the British government was forced to consider a much larger deployment of ground troops than originally envisaged. The near shambles on the first Afghan ground mission had unhappy memories for the Americans of Somalia where 18 soldiers died when their two Black Hawk helicopters were shot down by militiamen. There, too, intelligence had underestimated the opposition. One senior defence source said yesterday about the Afghan operation; "The intelligence had been quite clear that the target near Kandahar was pretty easy to take out. But what the Rangers discovered was that the Taleban force there fighting back quite hard. The enemy regrouped very well and their counter attack was such that the Rangers made a tactical withdrawl. That's when the Chinook got into difficulties and lost its undercarriage." " Some of us are surprised that such senior US figures are surprised at the tenacity of the Afghans. They had been fighting for the last 20 years." Yesterday, the British chief of defence staff, Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, pointed out that to beat the Taleban in their own lair would need serious long term commitment and not just commando raids. Pointedly, he added " The quick pinprick operation will be valid for certain targets where you have really good intelligence. Sometimes one might have to stay longer to achieve a proper reconnaissance of the area you are looking at." Sir Michael's views were contrary to that of Mr Rumsfeld who had been repeatedly declaring that this was going to be a "new kind of war" of super sophisticated commando operations. The differences between the two men first appeared when Mr Rumsfeld contradicted Sir Michael's view that the campaign could drag on until next year - only to have the embarrassment of his own chief of staff, General Richard Myers, too, talking about operations stretching until next spring. - INDEPENDENT ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) _______________________________________________ CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From adam at looney.com Fri Oct 26 13:55:18 2001 From: adam at looney.com (adam) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011024064422.A186@entropy.dyndns.dk> Message-ID: Didn't you guys all "unsubscribe" together about 4 years ago? On Oct 24 sno wrote: > unsubscribe sno@heavensgate.org > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- /// www.boomshanka.org /// (Do you really want to quit now?) NOTE: While signatures are arguably a blemish, they are a well-understood convention, and conveying the same information in headers exposes it to mangling and makes it rather less conspicuous.... From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 26 14:28:05 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20011024064422.A186@entropy.dyndns.dk> Message-ID: <20011026142805.O26352@zork.net> begin adam quotation: > Didn't you guys all "unsubscribe" together about 4 years ago? Yeah, but that was after the group castration. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 26 14:30:05 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20011024064422.A186@entropy.dyndns.dk> Message-ID: <20011026143005.P26352@zork.net> begin adam quotation: > Didn't you guys all "unsubscribe" together about 4 years ago? > > unsubscribe sno@heavensgate.org What I loved most of all about the heaven's gate fiasco was that all the newsies kept saying "Wow, these heavens gate folks may be cultists, but they're *geniuses*! I mean, look! They have *Web pages*!!!!" -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 26 14:56:31 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20011026145631.Q26352@zork.net> Castration, baby. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- sno@heavensgate.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rillian at telus.net Fri Oct 26 15:12:54 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011026142805.O26352@zork.net> References: <20011024064422.A186@entropy.dyndns.dk> <20011026142805.O26352@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011026151254.733e948b.rillian@telus.net> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:28:05 -0700 Monkey Master wrote: > Yeah, but that was after the group castration. Is that why my dick never turned orange? -r From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 26 15:30:02 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fun with google Message-ID: <20011026153002.S26352@zork.net> Okay, so here's a neat trick. Do a google image search for "1972 citroen dx wagon". You get nothing. So turn off the mature content filter. yeah, baby! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Fri Oct 26 22:25:26 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The SKWUCKY! Message-ID: <20011027152526.A2509@anu.edu.au> http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2036557011016.gif Nick, this is for all those awkward moments. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From magnus at bodin.org Sat Oct 27 00:04:13 2001 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Internet started 1996? Archival started a little late. Message-ID: <20011027090413.H9058@bodin.org> It's a pity someone didn't do this for 1993-1996. Claims to be "the world's largest database. With over 100 terabytes and 10 billion web pages archived from 1996 to the present" Aside from the google archive, this one is actually storing images as well, did someone say it's time to find all those ol' pr0n-sites? /magnus From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Oct 27 11:03:07 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Internet started 1996? Archival started a little late. In-Reply-To: <20011027090413.H9058@bodin.org> References: <20011027090413.H9058@bodin.org> Message-ID: <20011027110307.B23439@linuxmafia.com> begin Magnus Bodin quotation: > Claims to be "the world's largest database. With over 100 terabytes > and 10 billion web pages archived from 1996 to the present" At least it allowed me to retroactively mirror all but one of the vanished CoffeeNet pages. Useful already. > Aside from the google archive, this one is actually storing images as > well... But in some cases, extremely reduced in size. Thus, I couldn't snag the on-line CoffeeNet menu in any useful way. Also: Closed for Maintenance We're sorry, but due to the overwhelming response, the Internet Archive Wayback Machine is temporarily down for maintenance. Access to the past will be available in the future. Please check back with us at 1:00PM Pacific Time. To be notified when we are again available, please enter your e-mail below. We apologize for the inconvenience. -- Cheers, My pid is Inigo Montoya. You kill -9 Rick Moen my parent process. Prepare to vi. rick@linuxmafia.com From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 27 13:47:24 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> Fuck off. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- az@cantanker.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 27 13:48:58 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] The SKWUCKY! In-Reply-To: <20011027152526.A2509@anu.edu.au> References: <20011027152526.A2509@anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20011027134858.V26352@zork.net> begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2036557011016.gif > > Nick, this is for all those awkward moments. [Somewhere in the distance, a Cherrymaster dingles.] -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Oct 27 19:13:37 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> > Fuck off. That was rather cantankerous of you. - Jeff -- "GIMP is the primary tool in my graphics work. It is my gcc and Emacs." - Tuomas Kuosmanen (tigert) From az at cantanker.net Sat Oct 27 19:08:40 2001 From: az at cantanker.net (cr4ckf4iry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011028130840.A535@foscil.cantanker.net> Yeah, yeah, go back to Texas. Wrote Nick Moffitt, on October 28, around 7:47am +1100: > Fuck off. a. -- Cantanker / ---------/------------- / cantanker.net From az at cantanker.net Sat Oct 27 19:29:43 2001 From: az at cantanker.net (cr4ckf4iry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> ----- Forwarded message from ----- From: crackmonkey-admin@crackmonkey.org To: jdub@perkypants.org Your mail to 'CrackMonkey' with the subject: Re: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: "Australian Eastern Daylight Savings Time" is 1 hour ahead, not 1 hour and 6 minutes Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. ----- End forwarded message ----- a. -- Cantanker / ---------/------------- / cantanker.net From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Oct 27 19:39:14 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> Message-ID: <20011028133914.Q3801@perkypants.org> > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. The summer heat must be confusing for this Austrian. Confusing because it's WINTER. - Jeff -- "I tried to make money ass signing, but the bottom fell out of the market." - Liam Quin From az at cantanker.net Sat Oct 27 19:43:55 2001 From: az at cantanker.net (Adrian van den Dries) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028133914.Q3801@perkypants.org> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> <20011028133914.Q3801@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011028134355.A640@foscil.cantanker.net> Wrote Jeff Waugh, on October 28, around 1:39pm +1100: > The summer heat must be confusing for this Austrian. Confusing because it's > WINTER. You're just bitter because you don't have a cool Dutch name. a. -- Cantanker / ---------/------------- / cantanker.net From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Oct 27 22:46:56 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028134355.A640@foscil.cantanker.net> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> <20011028133914.Q3801@perkypants.org> <20011028134355.A640@foscil.cantanker.net> Message-ID: <20011028164656.S3801@perkypants.org> > > The summer heat must be confusing for this Austrian. Confusing because > > it's WINTER. > > You're just bitter because you don't have a cool Dutch name. No? It's Dutch GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST. - Jeff -- "Odd is good by the way. I knew normal in high school and normal hates me." - Mary Gardiner From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 27 23:28:35 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] mmmm, chachi... Message-ID: <20011027232835.Z26352@zork.net> http://www.retrocrush.com/costumes/chachi.jpg -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun Oct 28 09:20:54 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028164656.S3801@perkypants.org> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> <20011028133914.Q3801@perkypants.org> <20011028134355.A640@foscil.cantanker.net> <20011028164656.S3801@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20011028092054.C4490@linuxmafia.com> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > No? It's Dutch GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST. But that would require re-joining. -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick@linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 28 10:25:51 2001 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Geertje Van Der Floeterfloeff) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028134355.A640@foscil.cantanker.net> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> <20011028133914.Q3801@perkypants.org> <20011028134355.A640@foscil.cantanker.net> Message-ID: <87g083tyds.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "AvdD" == Adrian van den Dries writes: AvdD> You're just bitter because you don't have a cool Dutch name. I do! I just made it up myself! dag, ~Mijnher Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free Dmitry! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From leklund at tastytronic.net Sun Oct 28 11:22:38 2001 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028130840.A535@foscil.cantanker.net> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028130840.A535@foscil.cantanker.net> Message-ID: <20011028132238.M26973@tastytronic.net> Quoting cr4ckf4iry: > Yeah, yeah, go back to Texas. 'cr4ckf4iry' is 98.95% lame -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- SCREAMING POPCORN FOR THE ADVERTISING WORLD! +++ From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Oct 28 13:40:55 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] tatataa-ring a copyright infringement Message-ID: I just stumbled across one of the more absurd license schemes I've seen so far: http://www.magnus-opus.com/index1.html "Warning: All of the melodies contained within the Magnus-Opus series are protected by copyright. You may inadvertently be in breach of international copyright law by using a telecommunications device (telephone, mobile telephone, modem and other internet devices) to transmit and perform one of the Magnus-Opus melody series." Do not forget to test if your phone number infringes the copyright of Magnus-Opus: http://www.magnus-opus.com/number_check.html This is ofcourse made with a small twink, but I think it raises important issues on the nature of a work and when a work become a work. Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Oct 28 13:43:37 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Internet started 1996? Archival started a little late. In-Reply-To: <20011027090413.H9058@bodin.org> Message-ID: At 09.04 +0200 01-10-27, Magnus Bodin wrote: >It's a pity someone didn't do this for 1993-1996. > Bah: "We're sorry, but due to the overwhelming response, the Internet Archive Wayback Machine is temporarily down for maintenance. Access to the past will be available in the future. Please check back with us at 1:00PM Pacific Time. To be notified when we are again available, please enter your e-mail below. We apologize for the inconvenience." Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From rillian at telus.net Sun Oct 28 14:21:56 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] tatataa-ring a copyright infringement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011028142156.624f4e36.rillian@telus.net> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:40:55 +0100 Mikael Pawlo wrote: > I just stumbled across one of the more absurd license schemes I've seen so far: > http://www.magnus-opus.com/index1.html I guess we should be happy you don't read slashdot? -r From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Sun Oct 28 15:14:43 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] tatataa-ring a copyright infringement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011029101443.A10904@anu.edu.au> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 10:40:55PM +0100, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > Do not forget to test if your phone number infringes the copyright of > Magnus-Opus: > http://www.magnus-opus.com/number_check.html What bunch of fuckwits use Shockwave for a dialogue box? I'm wondering whether or not to group you with said dingbats by association. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Oct 28 15:26:32 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] tatataa-ring a copyright infringement In-Reply-To: <20011028142156.624f4e36.rillian@telus.net> References: Message-ID: At 14.21 -0800 01-10-28, rillian wrote: >> http://www.magnus-opus.com/index1.html >I guess we should be happy you don't read slashdot? What is Slashdot? Is it something that will make your dick turn orange? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Oct 28 14:41:08 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] tatataa-ring a copyright infringement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011029094108.J1959@perkypants.org> > >I guess we should be happy you don't read slashdot? > > What is Slashdot? Is it something that will make your dick turn orange? ... but not for you. - Jeff -- "Everyone says they like Free Software - not everyone is ready to make the tough choices to make it happen." - Maciej Stachowiak From clavicle at zork.net Sun Oct 28 15:34:50 2001 From: clavicle at zork.net (Charlie L.A. Vicle) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <87g083tyds.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028131337.P3801@perkypants.org> <20011028132943.A603@foscil.cantanker.net> <20011028133914.Q3801@perkypants.org> <20011028134355.A640@foscil.cantanker.net> <87g083tyds.fsf@priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20011028213450.C7159@ajato.com.br> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 10:25:51AM -0800, Geertje Van Der Floeterfloeff wrote: > >>>>> "AvdD" == Adrian van den Dries writes: > > AvdD> You're just bitter because you don't have a cool Dutch name. > > I do! I just made it up myself! Feh. Not as good as my anglo-saxon name. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ Who controls the past, controls the future. (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Who controls the present, controls the past. http://laviola.org icq #981913 -- George Orwell, "1984" From az at cantanker.net Sun Oct 28 16:37:50 2001 From: az at cantanker.net (Adrian van den Dries) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20011028132238.M26973@tastytronic.net> References: <20011027134724.U26352@zork.net> <20011028130840.A535@foscil.cantanker.net> <20011028132238.M26973@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011029113750.A26568@cantanker.net> Wrote Lukas Eklund, on October 29, around 6:22am +1100: > 'cr4ckf4iry' is 98.95% lame I see I over-estimated. a. -- Cantanker / ---------/------------- / cantanker.net From magnus at bodin.org Sun Oct 28 22:50:48 2001 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Internet started 1996? Archival started a little late. In-Reply-To: References: <20011027090413.H9058@bodin.org> Message-ID: <20011029075048.A13779@bodin.org> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 10:43:37PM +0100, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > At 09.04 +0200 01-10-27, Magnus Bodin wrote: > >It's a pity someone didn't do this for 1993-1996. > > > > Bah: > "We're sorry, but due to the overwhelming response, the Internet Archive > Wayback Machine is temporarily down for maintenance. Access to the past > will be available in the future. Please check back with us at 1:00PM > Pacific Time. To be notified when we are again available, please enter your > e-mail below. We apologize for the inconvenience." Take a good note of the fact that they don't specify what date you should check back with them. But hey. It was cool for a little bit of my saturday. Is that nothing to you? I'm try to archive the parts I want to keep anyway. /magnus From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 29 10:07:11 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [destiny@zork.net: [Pigdog] Pot legal in England?] In-Reply-To: <20011024122556.C26682@zork.net> References: <20011024122556.C26682@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011029100711.D14331@zgp.org> begin Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers quotation of Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 12:25:56PM -0700: > ----- Forwarded message from David Cassel ----- > > > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001370532,00.html The IRA got rid of many weapons the same day. _Sun_ headline: PEACE, MAN -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Oct 29 10:23:45 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] All hail Jakob Nielsen Message-ID: <20011029102345.E14331@zgp.org> Regular user wastes half an hour trying to get something to print out right: "goddamnit! piece-a-shit computer!" _Jakob Nielsen_ wastes half an hour trying to get something to print out right: "Poor software quality prevents users from forming a robust conceptual model of their systems, resulting in a loss of control over their own destiny." http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20011028.html That's why they pay him the big bucks. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 29 16:32:39 2001 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] pencams Message-ID: <20011029163239.N461@zork.net> So I went this morning and bought a pencam II: http://www.aiptek.com/Products/PenCams/pencam-2.asp But the only advantage it has over the VGA Pencam Trio: http://www.aiptek.com/Products/PenCams/pencam-trio-vga.asp is that it has a higher resolution in webcam mode or something. And it's much bigger. So I have a VGA model coming in the mail. There was a metafilter discussion about tiny cameras involving lots of the best lomo photographers: http://www.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/11829 And I mailed this woman, because she took pencam pix in my neighborhood: http://www.greenonions.com/caf/pencam/ She's got one of the smaller ones too. She likes it much better than the one I just got. Anyway, so I bought it not actually knowing if it would work. With luck, I found a release of this software that came out just a few days ago: http://personal.clt.bellsouth.net/clt/k/j/kjsisson/ And I mailed the guy, and he's gunna have the webcam software done by like wednesday. I may hack up his program to accept command-line arguments, since his menu is so obnoxious. Fun toys, and they're only like US$70: http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=82&cat=83&scat=&e=11049255 -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Oct 29 17:40:56 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [FC: U.S. to Afghans: Do not confuse food with bombs] Message-ID: <20011029204056.I68700@samurai.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- >For latest unintentionally hilarious tragicomic screwup, you can't beat >this link, which contains text distributed by US govt to Afghans, warning >them not to mistake food rations for bombs and vice-versa: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/monitoring/media_reports/newsid_1624000/1624787.stm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From mdillon at standmed.com Mon Oct 29 18:00:17 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] [FC: U.S. to Afghans: Do not confuse food with bombs] In-Reply-To: <20011029204056.I68700@samurai.com> References: <20011029204056.I68700@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011029180016.B22941@prometheus.embody.org> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- > > >For latest unintentionally hilarious tragicomic screwup, you can't beat > >this link, which contains text distributed by US govt to Afghans, warning > >them not to mistake food rations for bombs and vice-versa: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/monitoring/media_reports/newsid_1624000/1624787.stm I had forwarded this link to a friend of mine earlier today... i used the title "Food(!) not Bombs". As if cluster bombs weren't bad enough in and of themselves. Fucking fucking fuck!!!!!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! -md From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon Oct 29 19:38:52 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Warning: bogus ASCII map of Canadia Message-ID: I found this at http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~limnes/Canadamap.html _ / | O|_| O. ==__ /)_ OO(__\_ (//_| O_ \_\ _-_--_-_/ ) _ / | ) \/\ / o /O ) \ | O / \ \ | \__ / _/|__ \ \\ (_) /_ |_/ \\__________ / /\_o \___ */ \_// / / |/ " The * marks Ottawa, the capital of Canada. The Atlantic Provinces did not fare so well at this scale. The northern islands are remarkably accurate, " I think they just stole the Austrian map, added a few bumps, and passed it off as Canadia. It looks like a dog turd with a stream of errupting poo magma. Well, either that or something that belongs on top of an ambitious icecream cone. And where in God's name is Quebecistan? I'm utterly appalled, but not surprised, given the woeful state of Canadian ASCII art these days. - James -- James Morris From erikb at ob1.beadpainter.org Mon Oct 29 19:46:57 2001 From: erikb at ob1.beadpainter.org (Elite Dark Clown) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:58 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] how nice Message-ID: <20011029204657.B14987@ob1.beadpainter.org> Quote: 'The 28-year-old said she's not as worried about receiving anthrax through the mail as her personal assistant, who opens her fan letters.' http://news.excite.com/news/ap/011029/13/ent-elizabeth-arab-psa edc -- I WAS NOT THE INSPIRATION FOR "KRAMER" --Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 5F18 From miker at bootyhouse.org Mon Oct 29 21:58:27 2001 From: miker at bootyhouse.org (Mike Robinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] kung-fu grip Jesus Message-ID: <200110300558.f9U5wRL17110@beef.bootyhouse.org> For 6.95 plus tax and shipping you can have a kung-fu grip jesus: http://www.trainupachild.com/cgi-bin/shopnow.cgi?ACTION=thispage&thispage=orig-figures.html&ORDER_ID=151372130 (hunt around and you could see dark skin jesus too!) If that wasn't enough how about some sporty jesus action: http://www.brunching.com/features/sportjesus.html Another fine road side attraction of the information superhighway. yep. old but never stops entertaining. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 30 01:18:57 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] pencams In-Reply-To: <20011029163239.N461@zork.net> References: <20011029163239.N461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011030011857.Q461@zork.net> http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-85.html > The Pencam is about the size of a Minox, but it weighs only 59 grams > to the Minox B's 93. It holds 80 shots at a time (320 at the 'Low > Resolution' setting, good for thumbnails), and you can intermix > still, video, high and low resolution shots. That's with the older model, of course. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 30 06:04:51 2001 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] In the city. Message-ID: <6ur8rlnrzw.fsf@zork.zork.net> Sirens shriek pursuit, glassy flashes zipping by: Isn't that our song? -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 30 06:25:53 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] In the city. In-Reply-To: <6ur8rlnrzw.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6ur8rlnrzw.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20011030082553.D358@tastytronic.net> Quoting Sean Neakums: > Sirens shriek pursuit, > glassy flashes zipping by: > Isn't that our song? one balmy june night thirteen squads and a chopper foster avenue From sween at modelm.org Tue Oct 30 07:28:17 2001 From: sween at modelm.org (sween) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] In the city. In-Reply-To: <20011030082553.D358@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > Quoting Sean Neakums: > > Sirens shriek pursuit, > > glassy flashes zipping by: > > Isn't that our song? > > one balmy june night > thirteen squads and a chopper > foster avenue Southbound Late model Oldsmobile > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > > -- --- -sween | M | http://www.modelm.org --- "force feedback computing since 1984." From neale at woozle.org Tue Oct 30 08:16:53 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Combat Diver Association of Canadia Message-ID: Yet another reason why Canadia Ownz J00: They have ARMED WAREZ D00DZ SCUBA-BEAVERZ!!!!1 http://www.donlowconcrete.com/CDAC/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 30 13:36:00 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Fun with google In-Reply-To: <20011026153002.S26352@zork.net> References: <20011026153002.S26352@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011030153559.P358@tastytronic.net> Quoting Nick Moffitt: > So turn off the mature content filter. Bizzarro. pedro From claviola at alternex.com.br Tue Oct 30 13:36:06 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] A thought for you Message-ID: <20011030193606.A17729@vorlon.alternex.com.br> Hey. So, you are watching a movie, and there is this character that is married to another character, and there is the third character, and said character fucks with the first character, and then the second character comes all pissed off saying You SLEPT with the third character! But wait, what if that character and the other character had just screwed around a bit in the middle of the afternoon? On the kitchen table, or in the kids little swimming pool (you know, the plastic one)? Intriguing, isn't it? Anyways, I'm off for night classes. Merde. -- Carlos Laviola From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Oct 30 15:16:30 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] A thought for you In-Reply-To: <20011030193606.A17729@vorlon.alternex.com.br> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Carlos Laviola wrote: > Intriguing, isn't it? no. GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST -- "May your dick turn orange" -- Ben Franklin From jdub at perkypants.org Tue Oct 30 15:37:29 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] A thought for you In-Reply-To: References: <20011030193606.A17729@vorlon.alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <20011031103729.I25919@perkypants.org> > > Intriguing, isn't it? > > no. Yeah, where's Arie(l) when we need him/her/it? > GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before. - Jeff -- "Biology is the only science in which multiplication means the same thing as division." - Greg Leblanc From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 30 18:13:04 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] pencams In-Reply-To: <20011029163239.N461@zork.net> References: <20011029163239.N461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011030181304.T461@zork.net> So I finally found some filters that make my pencam images clearer and prettier: mogrify -format jpeg -normalize -contrast=40 *.ppm This translates all of the ppms (the format as the things come out of the camera) into jpegs, while normalizing the color pallete and upping the contrast by 40 (a hint from pencams.org). WOrks pretty well: http://zork.net/~nick/firstrain/ The jpegs on the left are all run through this, and the pngs on the right are direct copies of the ppm files as they came out of the camera (PNGified for greater browser support). That page can take a while to load, though. I took all of these this morning. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 30 20:00:49 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer Message-ID: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> Here's a example for procmail or mailman or whatever you use to keep from being disturbed by proprietary MUA users: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Anyone using the Reply-By: [last week] trick, or have screenshots of what it does? -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 30 20:30:47 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] pencams In-Reply-To: <20011030181304.T461@zork.net> References: <20011029163239.N461@zork.net> <20011030181304.T461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011030223047.B358@tastytronic.net> Quoting Monkey Master: > http://zork.net/~nick/firstrain/ Many, if not all of these need to go on http://tastytronic.net/ Please do the proper rotation to the applicable images. unclepedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Oct 30 20:31:22 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dinner with Stallman Message-ID: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net> So, I'm having dinner tomorrow night with Richard Stallman. Any advice? pedro -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Tue Oct 30 21:29:22 2001 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dinner with Stallman In-Reply-To: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net> References: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011031162922.A17479@anu.edu.au> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:31:22PM -0600, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > So, I'm having dinner tomorrow night with Richard Stallman. > > Any advice? > * Ask him to remember to wear shoes * Do not ask him to dance, or sing, or make any other unnatural sounds Those were things I remembered when I met him in mid 1999, at a talk he was giving at my university. They may be completely and totally wrong by now. Regards, Edward. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From rillian at telus.net Tue Oct 30 23:13:47 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dinner with Stallman In-Reply-To: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: On Tuesday, October 30, 2001, at 08:31 , Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > So, I'm having dinner tomorrow night with Richard Stallman. DON'T ASK HIM ABOUT CAR COPYING!!! -r From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 30 23:54:22 2001 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dinner with Stallman Message-ID: <517586.1004514862800.JavaMail.root@suntea.tninet.se> Den 31 Okt 2001 skrev rillian: > > So, I'm having dinner tomorrow night with Richard > > Stallman. > DON'T ASK HIM ABOUT CAR COPYING!!! Don't bring a cat. I'm serious. M _________________________________________________________________________ mailto:mikael@pawlo.com http://www.pawlo.com/ From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 31 02:11:47 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dinner with Stallman In-Reply-To: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > So, I'm having dinner tomorrow night with Richard Stallman. > > Any advice? > Play hard to get, especially if it's a first date. - James -- James Morris From claviola at alternex.com.br Wed Oct 31 04:23:40 2001 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dinner with Stallman In-Reply-To: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net>; from pedro@tastytronic.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:31:22PM -0600 References: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011031102340.A21796@vorlon.alternex.com.br> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:31:22PM -0600, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > So, I'm having dinner tomorrow night with Richard Stallman. > > Any advice? Invite Eric S. Raymond. Optionally, wear a "GNU's not for U" t-shirt. -- Carlos Laviola From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 31 06:00:42 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> Message-ID: > > OSDN to End K5 Affiliate Agreement > By rusty, 2001-10-31 04:35:07 > Section: Site News, Topic: Kuro5hin.org > > "Kuro5hin's emphasis has changed since we first started working together. > It is no longer as focused on Linux, Open Source, and Internet tools as > it was a year ago. Kuro5hin is still great, but it is no longer a good > "fit" with other OSDN Web sites," says OSDN Editor-in-Chief Robin > "roblimo" Miller. The advertising affiliate agreement we've had with OSDN > is ending as of January 2002. Read on for the reasons behind OSDN's > decision, and a look at what the future holds for K5. > > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/31/15654/175 > From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 31 08:03:12 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> Message-ID: <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> begin James Morris quotation of Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:00:42AM +1100: > > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/31/15654/175 Our text today is from the book of Revelation, chapter 14. [8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From neale at woozle.org Wed Oct 31 08:14:00 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> Message-ID: So then, Don Marti is all like: > begin James Morris quotation of Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:00:42AM +1100: >> > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/31/15654/175 > Our text today is from the book of Revelation, chapter 14. And going full circle, the book of Revelation was most likely about the Roman empire. Which, I guess, just goes to show that Mr. Santayana was right. From pedro at tastytronic.net Wed Oct 31 09:01:04 2001 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] "We want to scare their pants back on." Message-ID: <20011031110104.K1589@tastytronic.net> http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/parenting/10/31/scary.sex.ap/index.html -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- FREE DMITRY SKLYAROV -- http://www.freesklyarov.org/ From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Oct 31 09:38:25 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Dinner with Stallman In-Reply-To: <20011031102340.A21796@vorlon.alternex.com.br>; from claviola@alternex.com.br on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 07:23:40 -0500 References: <20011030223122.C358@tastytronic.net> <20011031102340.A21796@vorlon.alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <20011031123825.I6267@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Never bring a date... -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 10:05:53 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> begin Neale Pickett quotation: > So then, Don Marti is all like: > > Our text today is from the book of Revelation, chapter 14. > > And going full circle, the book of Revelation was most likely about > the Roman empire. Which, I guess, just goes to show that Mr. > Santayana was right. More specifically, about the persecution of the Christians by Nero Caesar (which, when written in Hebrew, does add up to 666). -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 10:27:08 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] pencams In-Reply-To: <20011030223047.B358@tastytronic.net> References: <20011029163239.N461@zork.net> <20011030181304.T461@zork.net> <20011030223047.B358@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20011031102708.V461@zork.net> begin Uncle Pedro quotation: > Quoting Monkey Master: > > http://zork.net/~nick/firstrain/ > > Many, if not all of these need to go on http://tastytronic.net/ Heh. I got some snap of a hot dog stand at the fremont BART station, but the sun had come out by that point so the exposure is a little off. Overcast days really make for the best photos, provided they're not too dark. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 31 10:44:51 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:05:53AM -0800: > More specifically, about the persecution of the Christians by > Nero Caesar (which, when written in Hebrew, does add up to 666). Ronald Wilson Reagan 6 6 6 -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 11:07:32 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011031110731.W461@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:05:53AM -0800: > > > More specifically, about the persecution of the Christians by > > Nero Caesar (which, when written in Hebrew, does add up to 666). > > Ronald Wilson Reagan > 6 6 6 Ah, you're *counting letters*. I see. I meant that in the Hebrew equivalent of "Roman numerals", Nero Caesar actually *IS* the number 666. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From neale at woozle.org Wed Oct 31 11:43:29 2001 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Don Marti is the Devil (Was: Get the heck off my OSDN.) In-Reply-To: <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> Message-ID: So then, Don Marti is all like: > Ronald Wilson Reagan > 6 6 6 Hmm. How many words are in Don Marti's email address? $ echo "Don Marti " | wc -w 3 What's 3 squared? $ expr 3 \* 3 9 Let's remember that $ remember=9 What's Don Marti's email address with no spaces? $ echo "Don Marti " | sed 's/ //g' DonMarti In all caps? $ echo "DonMarti" | tr a-z A-Z DONMARTI What are the ascii values of the first 9 characters of that? $ echo "DONMARTI" | od -t u1 -N $rememer 0000000 68 79 78 77 65 82 84 73 60 0000011 What's the sum of those numbers? $ guile -c '(display (+ 68 79 78 77 65 82 84 73 60))' 666 Care to explain yourself, Mr. Marti? From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 31 12:00:34 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031110731.W461@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 11:07:32AM -0800 References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> <20011031110731.W461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011031140034.C2047@magic.umn.edu> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 11:07:32AM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:05:53AM -0800: > > > > > More specifically, about the persecution of the Christians by > > > Nero Caesar (which, when written in Hebrew, does add up to 666). > > > > Ronald Wilson Reagan > > 6 6 6 > > Ah, you're *counting letters*. I see. I meant that in the > Hebrew equivalent of "Roman numerals", Nero Caesar actually *IS* the > number 666. Actually, counting numbers like that doesn't work. The number is required to be the sum of 600, 60 and 6. It's all in the faq, which I'd point to, except somebody didn't pay their hosting fees, and managed to not get cached by Google. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 12:59:02 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031140034.C2047@magic.umn.edu> References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> <20011031110731.W461@zork.net> <20011031140034.C2047@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011031125902.Z461@zork.net> begin Brian D . Hicks quotation: > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 11:07:32AM -0800, Monkey Master wrote: > > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > > Ronald Wilson Reagan > > > 6 6 6 > > > > Ah, you're *counting letters*. I see. I meant that in the > > Hebrew equivalent of "Roman numerals", Nero Caesar actually *IS* the > > number 666. > > Actually, counting numbers like that doesn't work. The number is required > to be the sum of 600, 60 and 6. I don't know what you mean by "counting numbers like that". Are you referring to Don's message or mine? I mean to say that just as the string "vi" can be interpreted as the name of a text editor or the number six, so can the name "Nero Caesar" written in the common Hebrew transliteration of the day. I don't have any philology texts to back this up or anything; but I've heard it in a number of places, most notably a talk by Bishop Ware. A simple google search turns up the following explanation: http://hometown.aol.com/abbylm1989/rome.html > The mark of the beast 666 in Revelation 13:18 is probably the best > know Bible Code . This is called gematria meaning "manipulation with > numbers". In both Hebrew and Greek as well as other languages, > letters of the alphabet were used as numbers. So names had a certain > numerical value. "Nero Caesar" transliterated into the Hebrew from > the Greek (Neron Kaiser) adds up to exactly 666 in Hebrew. N=50, > R=200, W=6, N=50 plus Q=100, S=60, R=200 totals 666. This spelling > of Nero Caesar was found in the discovery of an Aramaic document in > Wadi Murabba`at (BASOR 170, 65). The Latin form of "Nero Caesar" > when transliterated into Hebrew adds up to 616. This most likely > explains the textual variant in Revelation 13:18 with the number > 616. It should also be noted that the Greek word for "Beast" when > transliterated back into Hebrew adds up to 666. Ancient writers > referred to Nero as a "beast" (See Philostratus Vit. Apoll. 4.38; > Sib. Or. 5.343; 8.157). While I wouldn't base any argument on an aol.com URL, this seems to jive with what I heard as a young boy: the book of the Revelation is a description of Nero's persecution of the Christians. There are many other pages offering this explanation. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 31 13:36:12 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:52:59 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031125902.Z461@zork.net> References: <20011031134224.5F0131F02A@mail.thock.com> <20011031080312.C17217@zgp.org> <20011031100553.U461@zork.net> <20011031104451.C22644@zgp.org> <20011031110731.W461@zork.net> <20011031140034.C2047@magic.umn.edu> <20011031125902.Z461@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011031133612.B27690@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master quotation of Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:59:02PM -0800: > While I wouldn't base any argument on an aol.com URL, this > seems to jive with what I heard as a young boy: the book of the > Revelation is a description of Nero's persecution of the Christians. > There are many other pages offering this explanation. Well, if it's on the web it must be true. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From carton at Ivy.NET Wed Oct 31 11:23:54 2001 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:00:49 -0800") References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> Message-ID: Don Marti writes: > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) I believe this is Outlook in disguise. It comes pre-installed on iMac's along with IE, as promised by that Jurassic Park math-dude on TeeVee. ``what's this? i don't haaaave an e mail. baaahh. bee-e-e-eeeh.'' -- [Auto-Illustrator] is a playful reference to the 60's Fluxus art practice of dipping insects in ink and letting them draw a path over paper as a way of challenging conventional notions of authorship. -- Saul Albert From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Oct 31 14:49:19 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: ; from carton@Ivy.NET on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:23:54PM -0700 References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011031174919.L68700@samurai.com> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:23:54PM -0700, Miles Nordin wrote: > Don Marti writes: > > > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) > > I believe this is Outlook in disguise. No, it's the MacOS X Mail.app thingmy. Very non-Outlook, but still proprietary (sadly). Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Oct 31 14:56:32 2001 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (Sean Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011031174919.L68700@samurai.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > No, it's the MacOS X Mail.app thingmy. Very non-Outlook, but still > proprietary (sadly). No, its actually a bag of cheetos. -- "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- Ben Franklin From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Oct 31 15:08:34 2001 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: ; from crackdonkey@donkeyshow.org on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 02:56:32PM -0800 References: <20011031174919.L68700@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011031180834.O68700@samurai.com> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 02:56:32PM -0800, Sean Moffitt wrote: > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > > > No, it's the MacOS X Mail.app thingmy. Very non-Outlook, but still > > proprietary (sadly). > > No, its actually a bag of cheetos. ITYM "pork rinds". Bryan -- Bryan Fullerton http://bryanfullerton.com/ Core Competence uunet.ca!gts!cspace!bryanf Samurai Consulting "You disgust me. Stupidity is dangerous." - Sanjuro From rillian at telus.net Wed Oct 31 15:34:11 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011031180834.O68700@samurai.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 03:08 , Bryan Fullerton wrote: >> No, its actually a bag of cheetos. > > ITYM "pork rinds". Well, do they turn your...oh, never mind. -r From ibm at svpal.org Wed Oct 31 17:54:42 2001 From: ibm at svpal.org (Ian Mac Lure) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Don Marti ( who lives in the trunk of Rick Moen's Yugo ) >> More specifically, about the persecution of the Christians by >> Nero Caesar (which, when written in Hebrew, does add up to 666). >Ronald Wilson Reagan >6 6 6 WIlliam h. Gates = 666 From mdillon at standmed.com Wed Oct 31 18:27:10 2001 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011031182709.A24613@prometheus.embody.org> begin Ian Mac Lure quotation: > WIlliam h. Gates = 666 GET THE FUQ OFF MY LIST ^ ^ ^ 6 6 6 -md From dtype at dtype.org Wed Oct 31 18:45:04 2001 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat Message-ID: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> Consider this your virtual knock on the door and trick-or-treat. Gimme candy, else face my virtual trick wrath! -drew -- M. Drew Streib | http://dtype.org/ FSG | Linux International freedb | SourceForge From bob at ruptured-duck.com Wed Oct 31 18:53:20 2001 From: bob at ruptured-duck.com (bob@ruptured-duck.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] A thought for you In-Reply-To: <20011030193606.A17729@vorlon.alternex.com.br> References: <20011030193606.A17729@vorlon.alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <20011031215320.B18461@cx937045-b.lncln1.ri.home.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 07:36:06PM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > table, or in the kids little swimming pool (you know, the plastic one)? > > Intriguing, isn't it? Again, no, but KIDDIE PORN ALERT! -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, R.I., USA From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 31 18:57:30 2001 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011031185730.A1524@zgp.org> begin M. Drew Streib quotation of Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 02:45:04AM +0000: > Gimme candy, else face my virtual trick wrath! YM "I w1ll 0wn j00!!!!" -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org Free the web, burn all GIFs. http://burnallgifs.org/ From greg at kroah.com Wed Oct 31 18:57:29 2001 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011031185728.A29600@kroah.com> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 02:45:04AM +0000, M. Drew Streib wrote: > Consider this your virtual knock on the door and trick-or-treat. > > Gimme candy, else face my virtual trick wrath! Ahh, what a cute little bunny costume. I really like those floppy ears. Here, pick 2 candy from the bowl. Now run along now and have fun tonight. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 19:09:44 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20011031190944.D461@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Anyone using the Reply-By: [last week] trick, or have screenshots of > what it does? I'm using 4 Apr 2001 as my reply-by. I had mail from an irate user saying that he was mad that my mail was being turned red and moved to the top of his inbox. I'm not sure if it only does that for recently expired dates or what. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jmorris at intercode.com.au Wed Oct 31 19:11:50 2001 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: <20011031182709.A24613@prometheus.embody.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, mike dillon wrote: > begin Ian Mac Lure quotation: > > WIlliam h. Gates = 666 > > GET THE FUQ OFF MY LIST > ^ ^ ^ > 6 6 6 > You won't believe this. I encoded the crackmonkey archive using hardware accelerated base64 algorithms, then substitued every Nth character with an eigenvalue derived from a matrix containing the position of every (N^pi mod 26 ) celestial bodies within 7 trillion parsecs, filtered the results through a quadratic sieve and used the CPU power fluctuations to stir the entropy pool of the /dev/coincidence driver. After precisely 3.5 femtoseconds, a 16TeV particle beam was used to deconstruct the memory bus and a series of photonic resonance measurements were taken from any anomolous event horizon phenomena. Following standard screening for quantum residue, this data was decoded with steganographic shareware on a hybrid Sony Playstation 2 / Tivo cluster, and now appears to contain orbital coordinates for the previously lost Mars Deep Space 2 vehicle. I have now entered this data into a proprietary spreadsheet, and am considering printing it all out to a dot-matrix printer via a parallel cable approximately 2m in length (NOT including connectors). - James -- James Morris From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 19:16:29 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] Get the heck off my OSDN. In-Reply-To: References: <20011031182709.A24613@prometheus.embody.org> Message-ID: <20011031191629.E461@zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > You won't believe this. > > I encoded the crackmonkey archive using hardware accelerated base64 > algorithms, then substitued every Nth character with an eigenvalue > derived from a matrix containing the position of every (N^pi mod 26 > ) celestial bodies within 7 trillion parsecs, filtered the results > through a quadratic sieve and used the CPU power fluctuations to > stir the entropy pool of the /dev/coincidence driver. [...] ...and it turned your dick orange. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From az at cantanker.net Wed Oct 31 19:22:20 2001 From: az at cantanker.net (Adrian van den Dries) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011101142220.A11255@cantanker.net> Wrote M. Drew Streib, on November 1, around 1:45pm +1100: ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Gimme candy, else face my virtual trick wrath! Pfft. Halloween is *so* yesterday. a. -- Cantanker / ---------/------------- / cantanker.net From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 19:25:28 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011101142220.A11255@cantanker.net> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> <20011101142220.A11255@cantanker.net> Message-ID: <20011031192527.F461@zork.net> begin Adrian van den Dries quotation: > Wrote M. Drew Streib, on November 1, around 1:45pm +1100: > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Pfft. Halloween is *so* yesterday. Yeah, he's big into UTC. -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Oct 31 19:30:52 2001 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011101142220.A11255@cantanker.net> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> <20011101142220.A11255@cantanker.net> Message-ID: <20011101143052.G12098@perkypants.org> > > Gimme candy, else face my virtual trick wrath! > > Pfft. "Pfft" is such an unattractive thing to say. Pissweak excuse for not having anything seriously cutting or intellectual on hand, too. - Jeff -- "Odd is good by the way. I knew normal in high school and normal hates me." - Mary Gardiner From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 31 19:58:33 2001 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D . Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org>; from dtype@dtype.org on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 02:45:04AM +0000 References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> Message-ID: <20011031215833.D2047@magic.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 02:45:04AM +0000, M. Drew Streib wrote: > Consider this your virtual knock on the door and trick-or-treat. > > Gimme candy, else face my virtual trick wrath! All out of candy, the only thing I've got left are these envelopes filled with white powder. -- Brian Hicks "We did a lot of that, on TNG. The pointing and laughing, I mean." -- Wil Wheaton From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 31 20:17:34 2001 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] trick or treat In-Reply-To: <20011031215833.D2047@magic.umn.edu> References: <20011101024504.I16229@dtype.org> <20011031215833.D2047@magic.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011031201734.G461@zork.net> begin Brian D . Hicks quotation: > All out of candy, the only thing I've got left are these envelopes > filled with white powder. COMEDY! -- "I was thinking of a wireless Rick Moen, hence the four corners." -- Mikael Pawlo 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 31 21:10:34 2001 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011031174919.L68700@samurai.com> References: <20011030200049.A3015@zgp.org> <20011031174919.L68700@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20011031211034.V4490@linuxmafia.com> begin Bryan Fullerton quotation: > No, it's the MacOS X Mail.app thingmy. I prefer to think of it as NeXTStep Mail.app, struggling to get free. -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick@linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From rillian at telus.net Wed Oct 31 21:22:24 2001 From: rillian at telus.net (rillian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:53:00 2005 Subject: [CrackMonkey] YA proprietary mailer In-Reply-To: <20011031211034.V4490@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <6EF5E815-CE88-11D5-A82D-003065C7E9C2@telus.net> On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 09:10 , Rick Moen wrote: > I prefer to think of it as NeXTStep Mail.app, struggling to get free. (still) -r