[free-sklyarov] Another ebook "processor"

Thu Aug 16 09:47:51 PDT 2001

hi sonja,

even if it was a troll - all of us benefit from your
reminder that the focus is on the public benefit, a
principle seemingly subsumed in the national market
economics of intellectual property - ignore the trolls
and keep writing:)

--- "Sonja V. Tideman" <sonjat at cs.unm.edu> wrote:
> I am going to assume this is not a troll (I am sort
> of naive that way).
> 
> First of all, the opposition against laws such as
> the DMCA has nothing to
> do with opposition to copyright in general. 
> Although many may hold strong
> beliefs against copyright, one does not have to hold
> these beliefs to be
> strongly opposed to the DMCA.  Copyright is a
> delicate bargain.  The
> government creates a temporary artificial monopoly
> on a creative work to
> allow the creator to gain a profit.  In return, the
> public gets the
> benefit of using, and eventually gaining, that piece
> of work.  The key
> part of copyright, the nasty truth that everyone
> seems so ready to forget,
> is that it is for the benefit of the public.  It is
> NOT for the benefit of
> business, or even for the creators.  It, of course,
> hopes to enable the
> creators to profit from their work, but, if
> copyright ceases to benefit
> society as a whole, that the constitutional basis of
> copyright is
> ruined.  If the damage to society in the support of
> copyright is greater
> than the benefit, constitutional copyright is again
> ruined.  I personally
> feel that the DMCA destroys any notion of the
> balance.  It takes away all
> concepts of fair use.  You may mock fair use, but if
> society does not have
> certain guarantees as to how they may use a
> copyrighted work, how has
> society benefited from it?  The DMCA nullifies
> copyright limits, and
> allows the creators to control every access, every
> use.  Any benefit to
> society is dramatically limited.  Add to this the
> fact that the DMCA takes
> away our freedom of speech, and the harm to society
> has outweighed the
> benefit.  There is no more balance; there is only
> corporate greed.
> 
> I also find it slightly comical that you suggest
> that Russia's economic
> troubles stem from weak copyright laws, ignoring
> every single fact and
> analysis of Russia I have ever seen.  Russia has a
> lot of troubles, and I
> don't think very many of them can be traced back to
> pirated software.
> 
> Sonja
> 
> 
>  On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, y s wrote:
> 
> > Do you really believe in trolls, Rabbi Sassaman? I
> am very real, even if you 
> > don't like my opinion.
> > The fact that somebody else posted from my
> computer (and I think I know who 
> > it was), does not change the validity of my point.
> > Yes, I am "still here", and I plan to post more
> when I have time, partially 
> > because I have some experience most of you don't
> have: I used to live in 
> > Russia for the most of my life. When I saw
> protestors waving Russian flags, 
> > I was saddened. It reminded me of David Duke who
> went there for support (and 
> > found it, BTW).
> > Russia now is struggling to enforce very basic
> laws, put aside the  
> > copyright protection. Do you know that in Russia
> pirate software is sold 
> > everywhere almost openly, and you can buy any
> software for a couple of bucks 
> > (and most people do)? I am pretty sure your hero
> Dmitry didn't even know 
> > about Fair Use until he was jailed. There is no
> need for it in Russia, the 
> > idea itself sounds ridiculous. (Fortunately, you
> people enlightened him.) Is 
> > this the ideal situation most of you want to see
> in this country?
> > Many years of Communist rule destroyed respect for
> private property in the 
> > former Soviet Union. This is one of the reasons
> why Russia, with all its 
> > tremendous natural resources an great human
> potential, is now among the 
> > poorest countries in the world, while the United
> States is still one of the 
> > richest. Seems like many of you guys here don't
> like it.
> > Yes, you should see more of my disagreement with
> you here. If you don't see 
> > my messages, it most likely means I am blocked
> from this list. It would be 
> > really funny, considering you strong position on
> free speech...
> > 
> > >From: Len Sassaman <rabbi at quickie.net>
> > 
> > >Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] Another ebook
> "processor"
> > >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:23:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Why are you still here, "y s"? You've already
> been exposed as a troll.
> > >Enough is enough.
> > >
> > >On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, y s wrote:
> > >
> > > > Of course, you need it to exercise your right
> of Fair Use.
> > > > However, why don't _YOU_ write one? You would
> be pretty safe in New 
> > >Zealand
> > > > (Unless you come with presentation to DefCon.)
> > > > What, not enough gray matter? That's bad, you
> may need some...
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Daniel Richards"
> <kyhwana at world-net.co.nz>
> > > > >To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
> > > > >Subject: [free-sklyarov] Another ebook
> "processor"
> > > > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:32:27 +1200
> > > > >
> > > > >Short and simple.
> > > > >Has anyone written another program that will
> "process" adobe's
> > > > >ebooks into pdf/html/txt/etc?
> > > > >Is anyone writing one?
> > > > >(you'd probably want to publish it
> anonymously, heh)
> > > > >If anyone knows or is doing such a thing,
> could you please email
> > > > >me (Off list, use PGP)
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.freesklyarov.org - Free Dmitry!
> > > > >PGP Pub key:
> > > >
>
>http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~kyhwana/DanielRPubKey.asc
> > > > >Fingerprint: 416D 4027 D635 AF51 F2BF  60DF
> 4D94 F7A0 9893 2848
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Len Sassaman
> > >
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> > >
> > 
> > 
> >
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