[free-sklyarov] Compromise? Balance?

[Jon O .]

What about all the Union Workers that protested in Seattle? There is wide
ranging support for these issues and if we can coordinate the action
I think change will occur.

The first step to this goal is a simple statement which explains how all
the issues relate. I've made attempts with the DMCA FAQ, but that was
ad hoc and written quite quickly. 

I think we need a statement of concerns and also something to present
as a "shared support" system.

Any ideas?




On 28-Jul-2001, proclus at iname.com wrote:
> I'm in full agreement with this, and sorry I didn't add the
> antiglobalists to my earlier list.  Bringing them in would make us much
> stronger IMHO, with a much broader base.  
> 
> Regards,
> proclus
> http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
> 
> On 28 Jul, Paul Gowder wrote:
> > I'll add my own two centimes to this one.  Such commentary basically being: 
> > that's why we're on the march.  The new anti-corporate activism is the 
> > opposing force to this "total control" universe, and the geektavists in the 
> > world need to get with the program.
> > 
> > It's not just the internet that creates the power 
> > structure.  Fundamentally, the total informational control over the 
> > internet is just a new dimension to the total economic control (ie. 
> > globalism, with capital being mobile and labor being forced to stay in one 
> > place by immigration laws, with the expected monopolistic effects), the 
> > total political control (of bought politicians) and the total environmental 
> > control (again, capital is mobile.  Nature is not.  if capital were 
> > prohibited from flocking to nations with no environmental protections, 
> > maybe the people of the several nations would have some power.) that 
> > corporations presently have.  The Sklyarov affair is archetypal.  Capital, 
> > a corporation, reached across international boundaries to pluck out the eye 
> > that offended it.  It did so using its political control to enforce its 
> > economic and informational control.  All Adobe didn't do was chop down an 
> > old-growth forest.
> > 
> > It's all the same problem.  It's all the same solution -- weaken corporate 
> > power, increase democratic power.  Hence the people in Genoa protesting the 
> > G-8 are working for exactly the same thing as the people in San Jose 
> > protesting the arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov.
> > 
> > The internet is Not Special.
> > 
> >          -Paul
> > 
> > ps.  Love the e-mail address Eric.
> > 
> > At 04:03 PM 7/28/01, Eric C. Grimm wrote:
> >>William Ahern says:
> >>
> >>But, the internet gives power to the people. The internet is the great
> >>equalizer, and that's why all of those lusers out in dot.com land are so
> >>frustrated rent seeking.
> >>
> >>But, in order to keep it that way, and to keep the capacity for change in
> >>OUR hands, we need to keep it open. (that means fighting things like the
> >>DMCA and and also more subtle things like data-differentiation on  the
> >>network, like what the big backbone providers are pushing for (think about
> >>the ATM craze)).
> >>
> >>So, on-the-whole things are probably brighter than what one could
> >>superficially take from your piece  . . .
> >>
> >>__________________________
> >>
> >>I certainly agree with you, at least to a point, William.  The Interent
> >>certainly CAN be (or, more acurately, can become again) the "great
> >>equalizer."  But certainly, no particular future is foreordained or
> >>inevitable.
> >>
> >>The Internet is what we (collectively) make of it.  And, if we are not
> >>careful, the Internet and information technology generally it is at least
> >>equally likely to become -- as professor Lessig puts it -- "the instrument
> >>of perfect control" as it is to enhance freedom.  Based on observing both
> >>technological and legislative developments for some time, I hate to say that
> >>I must put myself squarely in the camp of the "pessimists" along with
> >>Lawrence Lessig -- and perhaps our own resident editorialist / "journalist"
> >>/ kibitzer from Wired.
> >>
> >>At least if the arrow of legislation over the past several years points in
> >>the general direction of where we are headed (and we can look to other signs
> >>like software licenses or frequency of surreptitious insertion of data
> >>collection mechanisms into both Interenet content and "client" software
> >>code), then I have to say the day of "perfect control" may be much closer at
> >>hand than the dawn of "perfect freedom."  But again, that will be so only if
> >>people make it so.
> >>
> >>What say you?
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 	-Paul Gowder
> > 
> > "It's because they're stupid. That's why everyone does everything."
> >      - Homer Simpson
> > 
> > 	<paul at paultopia.net>
> > 
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