From sethf at sethf.com Mon Oct 1 00:12:08 2001 From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:55 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Events? In-Reply-To: <20010930160104.H10371@zork.net>; from schoen@loyalty.org on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 04:01:04PM -0700 References: <20010930160104.H10371@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011001031208.A28587@sethf.com> Seth David Schoen wrote, on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 04:01:04PM -0700: > ... -- it would be great if there could be actual > Sklyarov-relevant things continuing in the meantime. > > Does anyone have any plans? In the era BS11 (Before-September-11), I was having some discussions about doing a slightly edgy anticensorware report, tied into the DMCA. I was going to discuss legal issues again, and use the Sklyarov case as the poster-child for how much the DMCA legal risks had escalated (e.g. civil to criminal). It's hard for people to say that talk of jail is a hyperbolic "parade of horribles" when there's a bona-fide criminal case in the works. See the previous DMCA discussion, in my report "SmartFilter - I've Got A Little List" http://sethf.com/anticensorware/smartfilter/gotalist.php But in the era AS11 (After-September-11), I think my plans there are just too risky. There won't be many people listening. And the legal climate continues to get worse and worse. What can I tell you, chilling effects work :-(. -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com http://archive.nytimes.com/2001/07/19/technology/circuits/19HACK.html BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/loophole.php BESS vs Google: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php From dank at ihug.com.au Mon Oct 1 05:58:09 2001 From: dank at ihug.com.au (dan) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:55 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] W3C standards / patents References: Message-ID: <3BB86861.7090504@ihug.com.au> Just a note to those emailing the feedback address for the W3C - don't just stop there. The authors of the RAND proposal are Microsoft, HP, Philips, Apple, and a couple of assorted w3c people. Email them all! Dan From Robloch at aol.com Tue Oct 2 22:03:43 2001 From: Robloch at aol.com (Robloch@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:55 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] RIAA plans to combat file sharing. Message-ID: My editor got hold of an internal memo that reveal the Recording Industry Association of America's strategy and findings in its soon to be waged war against FastTrack's KaZaA, MusicCity's Morpheus and Grokster. The memos reveal the association's litigation strategy, how FastTrack may work with RIAA and how the situation differs from the Napster debacle. The RIAA response was quite funny when he asked them for a quote: 'We are not confirming whether these are real emails. But if anyone thinks that the music community is sitting idly by while these services threaten our industry and our technology partners they are wrong.' www.dotcomscoop.com/riaa1003.html I found it odd that they seem willing to use such an approach. I suppose that they are just desperate. We need to all get the word out on this, there are potentially huge implications. The next few months could prove telling. robert From jono at microshaft.org Wed Oct 3 17:00:27 2001 From: jono at microshaft.org (Jon O .) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:55 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] FC: Leaked documents allegedly reveal RIAA assault on peer-to-peer Message-ID: <20011003170027.B47564@networkcommand.com> ----- Forwarded message ----- To: dmca_discuss@lists.microshaft.org Subject: [DMCA_discuss] FC: Leaked documents allegedly reveal RIAA assault on peer-to-peer Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:35:05 -0700 ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- X-Sender: declan@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:05:22 -0400 To: politech@politechbot.com From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Leaked documents allegedly reveal RIAA assault on peer-to-peer Precedence: bulk Reply-To: declan@well.com X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ X-Author: Declan McCullagh is at http://www.mccullagh.org/ X-News-Site: Cluebot is at http://www.cluebot.com/ ******* From: "james alexander" To: declan@well.com Subject: News Article, RIAA internal document. (for distribution on politech) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 07:33:14 +0000 Hi, This article: http://www.dotcomscoop.com/riaa1003.html discusses an 'Internal Memos Outline RIAA's Strategy To Launch Offensive Against Peer-To-Peer Networks' obtained by dotcomscoop. Memo: http://www.dotcomscoop.com/riaamemo.html The memo concludes: 'Thus, we recommend (1) filing claims against FastTrack, MusicCity, and Grockster, (2) immediately thereafter initiating discussions with FastTrack about resolving our claims in a way that will provide us with useful information and testimony against MusicCity, and if possible obtain FastTrack's cooperation in shutting down or converting MusicCity and Grokster, and (4) continue forward with litigation against MusicCity, Grokster, and potentially Timberline Venture Partners.' I thought that it was worthy of your attention. 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Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:55 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] FW: USENIX -- Proposed Legislation Significantly Affecting Computer Profession Message-ID: <20011003170631.G47564@networkcommand.com> ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: board-enotify@usenix.org [mailto:board-enotify@usenix.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:38 PM The USENIX Board of Directors has decided to alert our membership that bills pending before the U.S. Congress or in committee appear to have a detrimental impact on computer professionals. We are most concerned about aspects of two proposed bills, the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) and the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA), and how they interact with existing legislation such as the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The ATA redefines virtually all computer crime as terrorism, enlarges the maximum penalty to life in prison without parole, allows broad pre-conviction seizures, and, furthermore, does this retroactively, removing the existing statute of limitations. The SSSCA essentially mandates copyright protection in all digital consumer devices and makes disabling or avoidance of copyright mechanisms a felony offense. More information about these and related issues can be found at: http://www.usenix.org/whatsnew/legislation.html Similar legislation is being considered in other jurisdictions including Canada and some states. If you believe that provisions of these or similar acts are inappropriate, we strongly encourage you to contact your elected representatives as soon as possible and register your opinions. Sincerely, The USENIX Board of Directors http://www.usenix.org/directory/board.html ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- _______________________________________________ ------------------------ http://www.anti-dmca.org ------------------------ DMCA_discuss mailing list DMCA_discuss@lists.microshaft.org http://lists.microshaft.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Wed Oct 3 23:51:34 2001 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:55 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] B&N.com delays release of e-books Message-ID: <1392327210.20011004105134@elcomsoft.com> http://click.email-publisher.com/maaadBtaaQoXpa9mcXIb/ Rollout changed after terrorist attacks. /Vladimir ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. http://www.elcomsoft.com mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com From jono at microshaft.org Thu Oct 4 00:18:31 2001 From: jono at microshaft.org (Jon O .) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:55 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) Message-ID: <20011004001831.A48941@networkcommand.com> Yes, your telephone is now a circumvention device: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/2001/10/04/FFX0PGT0CSC.html Copyright: your number's up By FERGUS SHIEL Thursday 4 October 2001 Listen up, they've got your number. Australian composers Nigel Helyer, aka Dr Sonique, and Jon Drummond have copyrighted 100,000,000,000 telephone tone sequences. ... If business can claim ownership over the elemental building blocks of human life, the composers say it's only fitting that artists lay claim to the "DNA" of business and are paid for it. "We're saying to (big business), 'Okay guys, the boot is on the other foot. If you really believe in copyright, you've got to pay'," Helyer says. http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/2001/10/04/FFX0PGT0CSC.html From kmself at ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 4 02:32:17 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011004001831.A48941@networkcommand.com>; from jono@microshaft.org on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:18:31AM -0700 References: <20011004001831.A48941@networkcommand.com> Message-ID: <20011004023216.A24673@navel.introspect> on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:18:31AM -0700, Jon O . (jono@microshaft.org) wrote: > > Yes, your telephone is now a circumvention device: Cute, but as pointed out at Slashdot: independent creation of a work is noninfringing under copyright. Too, the phone company can probably claim authorship of your number. Tree: short works, phrases, numbers, and functional expression are not protected by copyright. But it's a good gag. > http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/2001/10/04/FFX0PGT0CSC.html -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011004/a8a279c2/attachment.pgp From wiljan at pobox.com Thu Oct 4 09:00:19 2001 From: wiljan at pobox.com (Will Janoschka) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) Message-ID: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:32:17 Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com said: >Tree: short works, phrases, numbers, and functional expression are not >protected by copyright. Why is it then that the FBI and DoJ think that e-books are subject to copyright? The e-book is just a number, as is anything in your computer, on a CD, or on a DVD. They are long numbers indeed, but numbers, hence the name digital. -will- From debug at centras.lt Thu Oct 4 08:44:08 2001 From: debug at centras.lt (DeBug) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> References: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> Message-ID: <12830190286.20011004174408@centras.lt> WJ> >Tree: short works, phrases, numbers, and functional expression are not WJ> >protected by copyright. WJ> Why is it then that the FBI and DoJ think that e-books are subject to WJ> copyright? The e-book is just a number, as is anything in your computer, WJ> on a CD, or on a DVD. They are long numbers indeed, but numbers, hence WJ> the name digital. -will- :) Only short numbers are not protected by copyright, for example 1000^1000 ( ^ stands for power ) is short :) -- Best regards, DeBug mailto:debug@centras.lt From debug at centras.lt Thu Oct 4 08:46:30 2001 From: debug at centras.lt (DeBug) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> References: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> Message-ID: <3530331844.20011004174630@centras.lt> WJ> Why is it then that the FBI and DoJ think that e-books are subject to WJ> copyright? The e-book is just a number, as is anything in your computer, WJ> on a CD, or on a DVD. They are long numbers indeed, but numbers, hence WJ> the name digital. -will- >:) >Only short numbers are not protected by copyright, for example >1000^1000 ( ^ stands for power ) is short :) By the way the program may be copyright-protected but its zipped vertion may appear to be too short to be copyright-protected -- Best regards, DeBug mailto:debug@centras.lt From wiljan at pobox.com Thu Oct 4 10:24:36 2001 From: wiljan at pobox.com (Will Janoschka) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) Message-ID: <200110041635.LAA000.41@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:44:08 DeBug debug said: > Only short numbers are not protected by copyright, for example > 1000^1000 ( ^ stands for power ) is short :) I think I will register my copyright on all primes, and (2 factor) odd composites over 3000 decimal digits. Could bring serious money to my grankids over the next 100 years. -will- From seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org Thu Oct 4 10:52:05 2001 From: seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] NY Fair Use Anti-DMCA Canvassing Results Message-ID: Cumulative Results, 9/9 - Present: Total Prospective Volunteers: 53 Total Petition Signatures: 125 Cumulative Denominators (Extrapolated for 9/9 Tactic): People Who Stopped: 310 People Approached: 462 Doors Knocked on: 610 Volunteer Parity Rates (Cumulative): Prospects per Stops: 17.1% Prospects per Approaches: 11.5% Prospects per Doors Knocked: 8.7% Petition Parity Rates (Cumulative): Signatures per Stops: 40.3% Signatures per Approaches: 27.1% Signatures per Doors Knocked: 20.5% (Individual Tactic Results at bottom of this post) Once again, our canvassers are showing that we can win this fight. What we're seeing is that a methodical practice can achieve our goals. These rates show us that people in the area we targetted are genuinely concerned about the DMCA and its effect on libraries. We have to complete the task and bring Congressmen Weiner and Schumer to our side. From there it's a matter of deploying the support of those in Congress who come to our side, to bring down the DMCA (and get Dmitry out from under the constraint of his ridiculous prosecution). We need to consistently pitch for more volunteers, since it's people who build the strength of the organization and increase the scope, magnitude and gravity of our campaign. We now have a team of organizers, equipped with the leadership skills and tools we need to expand our effort in a predictable, effective fashion. We now know exactly what it takes to get specific results. Let's bring it in! Seth Johnson Individual Tactics Results: Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/30/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 67 People Approached: 118 Doors Knocked on: 192 Signatures per stops: 61.2% Signatures per approaches: 34.7% Signatures per doors knocked: 21.4% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/23/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 103 People Approached: 135 Doors Knocked on: 142 Signatures per stops: 39.8% Signatures per approaches: 30.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 28.9% Canvassing Results for 9/23 + 9/30: Petition Signatures: 82 People Who Stopped: 170 People Approached: 253 Doors Knocked on: 334 Signatures per stops: 48.2% Signatures per approaches: 32.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 24.5% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/9/01: Petition Signatures: 43 Doors Knocked on: 276 Parity Rate per doors knocked: 15.6% From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Oct 4 10:57:57 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [fairuse] NY Fair Use Anti-DMCA Canvassing Results In-Reply-To: ; from seth.johnson@RealMeasures.dyndns.org on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 13:52:05 -0400 References: Message-ID: <20011004135757.C4213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> That's the best news I've heard all day.... On 2001.10.04 13:52:05 -0400 Seth Johnson wrote: Cumulative Results, 9/9 - Present: Total Prospective Volunteers: 53 Total Petition Signatures: 125 Cumulative Denominators (Extrapolated for 9/9 Tactic): People Who Stopped: 310 People Approached: 462 Doors Knocked on: 610 Volunteer Parity Rates (Cumulative): Prospects per Stops: 17.1% Prospects per Approaches: 11.5% Prospects per Doors Knocked: 8.7% Petition Parity Rates (Cumulative): Signatures per Stops: 40.3% Signatures per Approaches: 27.1% Signatures per Doors Knocked: 20.5% (Individual Tactic Results at bottom of this post) Once again, our canvassers are showing that we can win this fight. What we're seeing is that a methodical practice can achieve our goals. These rates show us that people in the area we targetted are genuinely concerned about the DMCA and its effect on libraries. We have to complete the task and bring Congressmen Weiner and Schumer to our side. From there it's a matter of deploying the support of those in Congress who come to our side, to bring down the DMCA (and get Dmitry out from under the constraint of his ridiculous prosecution). We need to consistently pitch for more volunteers, since it's people who build the strength of the organization and increase the scope, magnitude and gravity of our campaign. We now have a team of organizers, equipped with the leadership skills and tools we need to expand our effort in a predictable, effective fashion. We now know exactly what it takes to get specific results. Let's bring it in! Seth Johnson Individual Tactics Results: Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/30/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 67 People Approached: 118 Doors Knocked on: 192 Signatures per stops: 61.2% Signatures per approaches: 34.7% Signatures per doors knocked: 21.4% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/23/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 103 People Approached: 135 Doors Knocked on: 142 Signatures per stops: 39.8% Signatures per approaches: 30.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 28.9% Canvassing Results for 9/23 + 9/30: Petition Signatures: 82 People Who Stopped: 170 People Approached: 253 Doors Knocked on: 334 Signatures per stops: 48.2% Signatures per approaches: 32.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 24.5% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/9/01: Petition Signatures: 43 Doors Knocked on: 276 Parity Rate per doors knocked: 15.6% ____________________________ New Yorkers for Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com 1-718-382-5752 Rock The Casba From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Oct 4 11:02:06 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [fairuse] NY Fair Use Anti-DMCA Canvassing Results In-Reply-To: ; from seth.johnson@RealMeasures.dyndns.org on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 13:52:05 -0400 References: Message-ID: <20011004140206.G4213@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Best News I've heard all day. Can we get Pie Charts? gnuplot? Ruben On 2001.10.04 13:52:05 -0400 Seth Johnson wrote: Cumulative Results, 9/9 - Present: Total Prospective Volunteers: 53 Total Petition Signatures: 125 Cumulative Denominators (Extrapolated for 9/9 Tactic): People Who Stopped: 310 People Approached: 462 Doors Knocked on: 610 Volunteer Parity Rates (Cumulative): Prospects per Stops: 17.1% Prospects per Approaches: 11.5% Prospects per Doors Knocked: 8.7% Petition Parity Rates (Cumulative): Signatures per Stops: 40.3% Signatures per Approaches: 27.1% Signatures per Doors Knocked: 20.5% (Individual Tactic Results at bottom of this post) Once again, our canvassers are showing that we can win this fight. What we're seeing is that a methodical practice can achieve our goals. These rates show us that people in the area we targetted are genuinely concerned about the DMCA and its effect on libraries. We have to complete the task and bring Congressmen Weiner and Schumer to our side. From there it's a matter of deploying the support of those in Congress who come to our side, to bring down the DMCA (and get Dmitry out from under the constraint of his ridiculous prosecution). We need to consistently pitch for more volunteers, since it's people who build the strength of the organization and increase the scope, magnitude and gravity of our campaign. We now have a team of organizers, equipped with the leadership skills and tools we need to expand our effort in a predictable, effective fashion. We now know exactly what it takes to get specific results. Let's bring it in! Seth Johnson Individual Tactics Results: Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/30/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 67 People Approached: 118 Doors Knocked on: 192 Signatures per stops: 61.2% Signatures per approaches: 34.7% Signatures per doors knocked: 21.4% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/23/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 103 People Approached: 135 Doors Knocked on: 142 Signatures per stops: 39.8% Signatures per approaches: 30.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 28.9% Canvassing Results for 9/23 + 9/30: Petition Signatures: 82 People Who Stopped: 170 People Approached: 253 Doors Knocked on: 334 Signatures per stops: 48.2% Signatures per approaches: 32.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 24.5% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/9/01: Petition Signatures: 43 Doors Knocked on: 276 Parity Rate per doors knocked: 15.6% ____________________________ New Yorkers for Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com 1-718-382-5752 Rock The Casba From kmself at ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 4 11:56:15 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net>; from wiljan@pobox.com on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:00:19AM -0600 References: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> Message-ID: <20011004115615.B31767@navel.introspect> on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:00:19AM -0600, Will Janoschka (wiljan@pobox.com) wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 02:32:17 Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com said: > >Tree: short works, phrases, numbers, and functional expression are not > >protected by copyright. > > Why is it then that the FBI and DoJ think that e-books are subject to > copyright? The e-book is just a number, as is anything in your computer, > on a CD, or on a DVD. They are long numbers indeed, but numbers, hence > the name digital. -will- If the number can be taken to represent an original work of authorship, fixed in tangible medium it can be copyrighted. Parse the above to be "short works, short phrases, and short numbers". Phone numbers fail under functional expression as well, see particulary Sega v. Accolade and Sony v. Connectix. In the 1940s or 1950s, IIRC, a book consisting of intentionally random (or pseudorandom) sequences was published, and successfully defended under copyright. It was original, and consisted of authorship. A quick Google search doesn't turn up a reference, but I'll dig harder if asked. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could bring serious money > to my grankids over the next 100 years. -will- Algorithmic derivation is not original authorship. IANAL, TINLA. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011004/dc83141f/attachment.pgp From schoen at loyalty.org Thu Oct 4 12:12:07 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:56 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011004115615.B31767@navel.introspect> References: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> <20011004115615.B31767@navel.introspect> Message-ID: <20011004121207.X1050@zork.net> Karsten M. Self writes: > In the 1940s or 1950s, IIRC, a book consisting of intentionally random > (or pseudorandom) sequences was published, and successfully defended > under copyright. It was original, and consisted of authorship. A quick > Google search doesn't turn up a reference, but I'll dig harder if asked. The famous such book is _A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates_, published by the RAND Corporation. It took a lot of technical development work to generate so many strongly random numbers at that time. Today, you can get this publication on the web. http://www.rand.org/publications/classics/randomdigits/ It sells for $50-$100 used nowadays. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From kmself at ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 4 12:30:53 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:57 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011004121207.X1050@zork.net>; from schoen@loyalty.org on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:12:07PM -0700 References: <200110041513.KAA000.40@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> <20011004115615.B31767@navel.introspect> <20011004121207.X1050@zork.net> Message-ID: <20011004123053.D491@navel.introspect> on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:12:07PM -0700, Seth David Schoen (schoen@loyalty.org) wrote: > Karsten M. Self writes: > > > In the 1940s or 1950s, IIRC, a book consisting of intentionally random > > (or pseudorandom) sequences was published, and successfully defended > > under copyright. It was original, and consisted of authorship. A quick > > Google search doesn't turn up a reference, but I'll dig harder if asked. > > The famous such book is _A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal > Deviates_, published by the RAND Corporation. It took a lot of > technical development work to generate so many strongly random numbers > at that time. Which implies a sweat-of-the-brow, not an original-work-of-authorship, argument for copyright. I'm still not finding the legal cites I had in mind, but suspect the curious can with the data available. Thanks, Seth. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011004/4db0569a/attachment.pgp From sacraver at EE.Princeton.EDU Thu Oct 4 12:48:47 2001 From: sacraver at EE.Princeton.EDU (Xcott Craver) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:57 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011004123053.D491@navel.introspect> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:12:07PM -0700, Seth David Schoen (schoen@loyalty.org) wrote: > > > > The famous such book is _A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal > > Deviates_, published by the RAND Corporation. It took a lot of > > technical development work to generate so many strongly random numbers > > at that time. > > Which implies a sweat-of-the-brow, not an original-work-of-authorship, > argument for copyright. Well, I know this is not a legal argument, but a million truly random digits is a wicked huge amount of information, in terms of Kolmogorov complexity. Meanwhile, a million *pseudo* random digits, or 100,000,000,000 phone numbers, is very little information in terms of Kolmogorov complexity, because a small computer program can generate them. Ditto with the difference between 1000^10000, and a number representing a novel. The latter is a lot of information, whereas the former is just a lot of digits. -Xcott From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Thu Oct 4 15:53:37 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:57 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Revised Canvassing Results for NY Fair Use Anti-DMCA Campaign Message-ID: <3BBCE871.E07FA9B4@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Cumulative Results, 9/9 - Present: Total Prospective Volunteers: 53 Total Petition Signatures: 149 Cumulative Denominators (Extrapolated for 9/9 Tactic): People Who Stopped: 310 People Approached: 462 Doors Knocked on: 610 Volunteer Parity Rates (Cumulative): Prospects per Stops: 17.1% Prospects per Approaches: 11.5% Prospects per Doors Knocked: 8.7% Petition Parity Rates (Cumulative): Signatures per Stops: 48.1% Signatures per Approaches: 32.3% Signatures per Doors Knocked: 24.4% (Individual Tactic Results at bottom of this post) Once again, our canvassers are showing that we can win this fight. What we're seeing is that a methodical practice can achieve our goals. These rates show us that people in the area we targetted are genuinely concerned about the DMCA and its effect on libraries. We have to complete the task and bring Congressmen Weiner and Schumer to our side. From there it's a matter of deploying the support of those in Congress who come to our side, to bring down the DMCA (and get Dmitry out from under the constraint of his ridiculous prosecution). We need to consistently pitch for more volunteers, since it's people who build the strength of the organization and increase the scope, magnitude and gravity of our campaign. We now have a team of organizers, equipped with the leadership skills and tools we need to expand our effort in a predictable, effective fashion. We now know exactly what it takes to get specific results. Let's bring it in! Seth Johnson Individual Tactics Results: Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/30/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 67 People Approached: 118 Doors Knocked on: 192 Signatures per stops: 61.2% Signatures per approaches: 34.7% Signatures per doors knocked: 21.4% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/23/01: Petition Signatures: 41 People Who Stopped: 103 People Approached: 135 Doors Knocked on: 142 Signatures per stops: 39.8% Signatures per approaches: 30.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 28.9% Canvassing Results for 9/23 + 9/30: Petition Signatures: 82 People Who Stopped: 170 People Approached: 253 Doors Knocked on: 334 Signatures per stops: 48.2% Signatures per approaches: 32.4% Signatures per doors knocked: 24.5% Results for Canvassing Tactic, 9/9/01: Petition Signatures: 67 Doors Knocked on: 276 Parity Rate per doors knocked: 24.3% From xeni at xeni.net Thu Oct 4 21:06:46 2001 From: xeni at xeni.net (Xeni Jardin) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:57 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Dmitry gets new, high-profile defense lawyer: John Keker Message-ID: Didn't see this posted here yet -- apologies if I missed it. John Keker will represent Sklyarov henceforth. Keker's courtroom history includes serving as chief prosecutor in United States v. Oliver North, 1987-1989. From his bio: "In 2001, California Lawyer Magazine identified him as most named by other lawyers as the person they would hire if trouble strikes." XJ ------------------------------------------------ Russian Programmer Dmitry Sklyarov Gains High-Profile Defense Lawyer Substitution adds twist to cyber-cause cel?bre Shannon Lafferty The Recorder October 1, 2001 Renowned San Francisco defense attorney John Keker has agreed to represent indicted Russian computer programmer Dmitry Sklyarov on a pro bono basis. Keker's decision to represent Sklyarov, believed to be one of the first to be criminally charged under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, could put an end to speculation that a plea deal is in the works. Keker of Keker & Van Nest won't say whether any plea offers are on the table but said he wasn't brought aboard to cut a deal. "They are always welcome to dismiss the case, but we didn't come in to make a plea deal," Keker said Thursday. "We are here to deal with the defense of the case and to win it." Sklyarov, 26, is accused of writing a program for his Russian employer ElcomSoft that allows people using Adobe Systems Inc. eBook software to copy and print digital books, transfer them to other computers and have the text read aloud by the computer. Keker, whose past cases include the prosecution of Lt. Col. Oliver North in the Iran-Contra scandal, said he was approached to take Sklyarov's case but did not elaborate further. Keker said he took the case pro bono because he felt Sklyarov was unfairly targeted. "I think he is being unjustly accused and that's the kind of case I like to do," Keker said Thursday. Defense attorney Joseph Burton was initially retained to represent Sklyarov but is withdrawing to represent co-defendant ElcomSoft. Since Sklyarov was arrested in July at a convention in Las Vegas, programmers and technology companies have publicly criticized the prosecution. The alleged victim, San Jose, Calif.-based Adobe Systems, which initially reported Sklyarov and his Russian employer to the U.S. Attorney's office, has said it no longer supports prosecution. Both sides are currently conducting discovery. Keker said he and his team will be working "to understand Adobe's role and determine whether or not it's proper." Colleen Pouliot, Adobe senior vice president and general counsel, did not return calls. Former prosecutors have said that Adobe's decision to distance itself from the case makes it tougher for the U.S. Attorney's office. "Unlike traditional crimes, where you have an individual or an institution as the victim, tech crimes enter into a new area because all the government has to rely on is the expertise of the company," said Stephen Freccero, a former prosecutor now with Morrison & Foerster's San Francisco office. "Generally, they are the kinds of cases the government wouldn't even know about if they hadn't been contacted by the victim," Freccero added in a recent interview. Groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which promotes cyber-rights, have been critical of the prosecution from the start, saying the DMCA wasn't intended to criminalize software like Sklyarov's. Meanwhile, observers have said Adobe's about-face has put the U.S. Attorney's office in a tough situation. If it drops the charges, the office may seem ill-equipped to handle the high-tech, white-collar crimes it has vowed to go after. If it goes ahead with an unpopular prosecution, it could alienate high-tech companies whose assistance it needs to develop other cases. Sklyarov, who is out on bail, will appear in San Jose federal court Nov. 26 for a pretrial hearing. If convicted, he could face five years in prison and a $500,000 fine. From debug at centras.lt Fri Oct 5 01:11:08 2001 From: debug at centras.lt (DeBug) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:57 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493148198.20011005101108@centras.lt> XC> Ditto with the difference between 1000^10000, and a number XC> representing a novel. The latter is a lot of information, XC> whereas the former is just a lot of digits. The amount of information depends on receiver, from that point of view novel text in forein language can be less imformative than 1000^10000 To say true i am not going to engage in information theory discussion at the present moment but i feel those who create regulations know little about this theory if anything at all -- Best regards, DeBug mailto:debug@centras.lt From crumley at mail.com Fri Oct 5 12:46:21 2001 From: crumley at mail.com (Jim Crumley) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:57 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] DMCA Lecture by Dan Burk Message-ID: <20011005144621.A555@gordo.space.umn.edu> Last night's lecture sponsored by the Minnesota anti-DMCA groups given by Professor Dan Burk of the University of Minnesota Law School was a great success. Professor Burk, who has filed briefs in several of the DMCA cases including the Corley case, gave a talk describing the background of copyright law in the US and how the DMCA (and potentially the SSSCA) extend this to absurd lengths, of which Dmitry's case is a prime example. The talk added a lot of useful context and information about copyright for those of us working to free Dmitry and get the DMCA repealed. The talk lasted over 2 hours and included a lot questions and feedback from the audience. The audience numbered about 30, and included many people that hadn't been active in our anti-DMCA groups. Letters to be sent to US Senators and Representatives were passed around and signed by 21 of the people present. The lecture was taped and we hope to soon post the video on the web. Though this lecture was a success, we hope to build off it and get a larger turn-out for the later talks in our lecture series (see underwhelm.org for more info). I'd encourage other local groups to consider similar events, if relevant speakers are available. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From jono at microshaft.org Fri Oct 5 16:18:08 2001 From: jono at microshaft.org (Jon O .) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:57 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] The Reg: Digital right lobbyists picket UK record stores Message-ID: <20011005161807.C60201@networkcommand.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/22074.html Digital right lobbyists picket UK record stores By Kieren McCarthy Posted: 05/10/2001 at 15:15 GMT The Campaign for Digital Rights (CDR) is planning a "day of action" tomorrow against record stores all over the country to complain about copy-protected CDs. Protestors plan to hand out leaflets against the technology outside HMV and Virgin stores in Birmingham, Brighton, Cambridge, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds, London, Newcastle and Rugby. The message apparently is: "The paying public are not your guinea pigs." http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/22074.html From kfoss at planetpdf.com Fri Oct 5 21:22:13 2001 From: kfoss at planetpdf.com (Kurt Foss) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Dmitry gets new, high-profile defense lawyer: John Keker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:06 PM -0700 10/4/01, Xeni Jardin wrote: >Didn't see this posted here yet -- apologies if I missed it. We posted an item on this a short time back --> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:31:26 -0500 Court hearings for ElcomSoft Co. Ltd. and Dmitry Sklyarov, indicted on five counts of violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, have been postponed until Nov. 26. In an expansion of the legal defense team, John W. Keker, selected in a recent survey as the most-often named California 'lawyer other lawyers would hire' and former Iran-Contra special prosecutor of Oliver North, is now representing Sklyarov. Joseph Burton continues to represent ElcomSoft. http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=1662 rgds ~ Kurt ____________________ Kurt Foss - Editor _______________________ Planet PDF - A world of Acrobat/PDF news, tips, tools and forums mailto:kfoss@binarything.com | mailto:kfoss@planetpdf.com http://www.binarything.com/ | http://www.planetpdf.com/ BinaryThing.com - The ePublishing Network -- From tompoe at renonevada.net Sat Oct 6 23:25:30 2001 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: EFFector 14.29: ALERT Web Standards & Patents; more... In-Reply-To: <200110050210.f952A5027607@owl.eff.org> References: <200110050210.f952A5027607@owl.eff.org> Message-ID: <01100623253000.14957@aether> On Thursday 04 October 2001 19:10, Stanton McCandlish wrote: > Adam Warner's criticisms of the policy, and archive of related > information: > http://www.openphd.net/W3C_Patent_Policy/ > Hello: I visited this site, and found some very substantive comments offered by Dr. K. Lenz, Professor (German Law and European Law), University Aoyama Gakuin, Tokyo, Japan. The text can be found at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/2001Oct/1136.html This was dated 10/7/2001, and so it was not available at the time of your post, Standish. Dr. Lenz recommends some adjustments to the W3C.org's posture, and provides extremely valuable insight to the improper and manipulative efforts of some of the Members of the W3C.org at this time. I want to thank Dr. Lenz, personally, and on behalf of the entire world community for his comments. As of the moment the Members of W3C.org received his email, the issues of RF and RAND patent policy as they stood, became a nonissue!!! I would hope that everyone reads his comments and makes suggestions on how those comments might be turned into a working document for not only the W3C.org group, but for related matters such as the Dmitry fiasco, and DMCA, and SSSCA. There is real power available to those of us who believe in Open Source that Dr. Lenz has so exquisitely identified. My applause to you, Dr. Lenz. Brilliante!!!! Tom From schoen at loyalty.org Sun Oct 7 00:39:51 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: EFFector 14.29: ALERT Web Standards & Patents; more... In-Reply-To: <01100623253000.14957@aether> References: <200110050210.f952A5027607@owl.eff.org> <01100623253000.14957@aether> Message-ID: <20011007003951.L4842@zork.net> tom poe writes: > On Thursday 04 October 2001 19:10, Stanton McCandlish wrote: > > > Adam Warner's criticisms of the policy, and archive of related > > information: > > http://www.openphd.net/W3C_Patent_Policy/ > > > > Hello: I visited this site, and found some very substantive comments offered > by Dr. K. Lenz, Professor (German Law and European Law), University Aoyama > Gakuin, Tokyo, Japan. > > The text can be found at: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/2001Oct/1136.html > > This was dated 10/7/2001, and so it was not available at the time of your > post, Standish. Much as I, as the author of the EFF alert you quote from, appreciate the additional publicity and information, I do think the W3C patent policy is off-topic for free-sklyarov. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From jays at panix.com Sun Oct 7 07:44:08 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Technical: Mail to calendar@freesklyarov.org does not go through Message-ID: Below is the error message. The same error is returned for mail to tech@freesklyarov.org. The same error message is returned when mailing from sexpot@zork.net. oo--JS. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:50:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery System To: jays@panix.com Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the Postfix program at host mail1.panix.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program : host smtp.newmediagroup.com[216.40.238.8] said: 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied. Please check your mail first. From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Sun Oct 7 22:31:45 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Open Source Broadcaster Calls for Political Action and Community-wide Boycott of Disney Corporation Message-ID: <3BC13A41.C592C3A0@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> (Forwarded from FairUse-Discuss@MrBrklyn.com list) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:57:09 -0400 From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO http://www.thelinuxshow.com/disneyboycott.html -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011008/2e1d84e4/disneyboycott.html From jim at media.mit.edu Mon Oct 8 05:41:53 2001 From: jim at media.mit.edu (Jim Youll) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: free-sklyarov digest, Vol 1 #250 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <200110081241.f98CftG25399@new.agentzero.com> There was some accidental downtime when transitioning everything to a new, better-connected server. Mail and all other services should be working properly now, or shortly if your dns has old data for some reason. If this is not the case from various outside points, please let me know! freesklyarov.org still needs writers and programming help. Please contact me if you want to help and can actually commit to doing something productive. >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 10:44:08 -0400 (EDT) >From: Jay Sulzberger >To: >Cc: Jay Sulzberger >Subject: [free-sklyarov] Technical: Mail to calendar@freesklyarov.org does not go through > >Below is the error message. The same error is returned for mail to >tech@freesklyarov.org. The same error message is returned when mailing >from sexpot@zork.net. > >oo--JS. > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:50:28 -0400 (EDT) >From: Mail Delivery System >To: jays@panix.com >Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender > >This is the Postfix program at host mail1.panix.com. > >I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned >below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > >For further assistance, please send mail to > >If you do so, please include this problem report. You can >delete your own text from the message returned below. > > The Postfix program > >: host smtp.newmediagroup.com[216.40.238.8] said: > 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied. Please check > your mail first. > From jays at panix.com Mon Oct 8 10:02:48 2001 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:58 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: free-sklyarov digest, Vol 1 #250 - 3 msgs In-Reply-To: <200110081241.f98CftG25399@new.agentzero.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Jim Youll wrote: > There was some accidental downtime when transitioning everything to a > new, better-connected server. Mail and all other services should be > working properly now, or shortly if your dns has old data for some > reason. If this is not the case from various outside points, please > let me know! > > freesklyarov.org still needs writers and programming help. Please > contact me if you want to help and can actually commit to doing > something productive. Thanks, Jim! oo--JS. From kmself at ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 8 15:10:22 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:59 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Register: RIAA/Music industry call for stronger content control measures Message-ID: <20011008151021.K16661@navel.introspect> Of interest as background on recording and media industries intentions WRT copy prevention, fair use elimination, and closing of open standards for media formats. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/22087.html Music biz wants tougher DMCA, CPRM 2 to protect copyright By [6]Tony Smith Posted: 08/10/2001 at 11:08 GMT The music industry and its hired muscle, the Recording Industry Ass. of America, plans to step up its war against MP3 file sharing and CD ripping with campaigns targeting legal, technological and Internet access fronts, The Register has learned. Last week, the RIAA hosted a secret meeting in Washington DC with the heads of major record labels and technology companies, plus leaders of other trade bodies and even members of the US senate. Present, we are told by sources close to the RIAA, were Intel's Andy Grove; IBM's Lou Gerstner; Disney's Michael Eisner; Jack Valenti, head of the Motion Picture Ass. of America; International Federation of the Phonographic Industry chief Jay Berman; Vivendi Universal's Edgar Bronfman; AOL Time-Warner's Gerald Levin; EMI's Ken Berry; Sony's Steve Heckler; and from Bertelsmann, Strauss Zelnick. Also present were the CEOs of Matsushita and Toshiba, and senators Fritz Hollings and Ted Stevens. The meeting's keynote was made by RIAA head Hillary Rosen. The drop in CD sales can be directly attributed to "the new generation of file sapping services", she said, and promised that her organisation would pursue the companies behind them vigorously. <...> Register readers will recall the RIAA's attempts to prevent content distribution directly at the hard drive level through its Copyright Protection for Removable Media (CPRM) initiative, brought to light by The Register [7]late last year. Such was the level of (entirely justifiable) anger at the prospect of the music industry saying what users can and can't store on their own hard drives, that the plan was dropped, seemingly for good. But not so. "The failure of the CPRM specification to be applied to computer hard drives was a giant step back for the publishing, music and entertainment industry," said Rosen, and promised to "develop a new specification that accomplishes what CPRM would have done." In the meantime, the RIAA will be lobbying "our friends in Washington" for tougher laws that target "the hackers and file-sharers themselves", so clearly if you thought the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) was harsh enough already, think again. Indeed, the RIAA wants legislators to block any loophole in that law which can allow file-sharers to continue to distribute copyright material. For example, Rosen wants the protection granted by the DMCA to ISPs from the infringing actions of their subscribers to be removed. If the RIAA gets its way, ISPs will be as guilty of copyright violation as their subscribers. "Because of the magnitude of the problem, ISPs can no longer be shielded from the wrath of the law," shrieked Rosen righteously. Of course, Internet companies will have an even harder job of policing copyright infringement than the music industry has, undoubtedly leading to mass blocking of file-sharing software, preventing those applications' legitimate usage as much as their illegal usage. Worryingly, legislation designed to protect computer users' privacy are likely to be tackled too. Disney chief Michael Eisner pointed out after Rosen's keynote that "privacy laws are our biggest impediment to us obtaining our objectives". So too is the ongoing ease with which music recorded on today's CDs can be ripped onto listeners' hard drives. Rosen pointed out that trials of anti-rip technologies, such as Midbar's Cactus and Macrovision's SafeAudio have been "extremely successful", though we're not as confident as she is of the claim that "no one has been able to circumvent them". <...> We'll leave the last, chilling word to Sony Music Entertainment's Steve Heckler: "Once consumers can no longer get free music, they will have to buy the music in the formats we choose to put out." You have been warned. ? Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011008/f6e5d138/attachment.pgp From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Mon Oct 8 18:50:20 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:59 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fair Use is a Balance? Message-ID: <3BC257DC.CFAC03A3@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> (Some fine analysis from dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu list) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott A Crosby On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Bryan Taylor wrote: > Because fair use is the balancing of copyright vs first amendment > rights, it isn't simply a policy decision. Broadcasting's public > Actually, reading this again this time, this sentance twigged me. Is 'Fair use' a 'balance' at all? Isn't Fair use is the doctrine that keeps the copyright act constitutional, without that doctrine, the copyright act would violate the first amendment and be unconstitutional? That would mean that any erosion of fair use must automatically infringe the first amendment... IMHO, we need to be cautious about the debate luring us toward quicksand of their choosing. Once the argument goes from 'Digital control will let us obtain the most money and extract the greatest control over the users of the works we own' to 'Digital rights management will allow us to manage, digitally, the same rights we've always enjoyed', we've lost the battle. Noone will accept with the first, but I would have once accepted the second. Scott From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Mon Oct 8 18:51:44 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:59 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: Fair Use is a Balance? Message-ID: <3BC25830.74D00C51@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> (More good analysis from dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu list) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:52:17 From: Michael.A.Rolenz@aero.org Quite right. The issue is not how digital rights managment allows them to keep the same rights but without the proper safeguards (as John Z, and Jeme and a few others have pointed out) allows them capabilities outside those rights (repudiation). I think Prof. Litman has the right idea. The issue here is not how to keep what we have. the issue is now what do we need to go back to striking a balance between the technology we have and the copyright system. Creating a technological totalitarian state dedicated to the preservation of intellectual property rights is one way to go happily into extinction but not one that I would recommend. Scott A Crosby Sent by: owner-dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu 09/24/01 08:31 PM Please respond to dvd-discuss To: Bryan Taylor cc: Subject: [dvd-discuss] Fair use is a balance? On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Bryan Taylor wrote: Actually, reading this again this time, this sentance twigged me. Is 'Fair use' a 'balance' at all? From kmself at ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 8 22:29:13 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:59 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Strategy: Starve the RIAA, slam the majors Message-ID: <20011008222912.A28196@navel.introspect> At a meeting in September which included a few of the people on this list, the issue of the RIAA came up. My advice: deny them publicity. Deny the recording industry shelter. From an Oct, 2000 interview with That Bitch: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,39108,00.html Wired News: Obviously, three, four, five years ago, the scrutiny on you was different than it is today. Is that fair? Hilary Rosen: Our profile was pretty low, deliberately so. Our constituents were a relatively small audience. What is new I think for us is recognizing that everything we are doing is on the cutting edge of so many different industries and so many different interests. So the scrutiny is a lot brighter. We're out there in the sunshine, and it feels fine. WN: Is it better for this industry for you to be out in the forefront with all of the reporters tracking down Hilary Rosen and the RIAA? HR: It's definitely all part of the game. ...the RIAA is a front, intended to take flack. They look bad, the recording industry dodges the heat. The RIAA itself calls That Bitch a "lightning rod" for controversy. But who's the RIAA? Oh, about 806 bullying cowards, starting with "the five majors": Sony, EMI, Warner, BMG, and Universal, from which the RIAA gets its primary funding[1]. http://www.riaa.org/About-Members-1.cfm Aggregating the various lables claimed by the majors, that's about 760 labels, with a fair bit of corporate redundancy. They want to be able to muscle their own customers, without looking like they're muscling their own customers. But, of course, the RIAA represents the artists, don't they? I mean, they keep telling us that all of this enforcement of copyrights is for The Artists? Well, what's their own page have to say on the subject: http://www.riaa.org/Ask_the_RIAA_QA.cfm#2 Our members range from very large record labels (the five so-called majors) to much smaller independents. RIAA does not represent artists. So, what should the strategy be? - Deny the RIAA its publicity. They aren't the target, they're the decoy. Pay attention to their shenanigans. But make all efforts to pierce the veil, or better, avoid it altogether. - Call the majors to task: EMI, Warner, BMG, Universal. And the others in the crowd: A&M, Arista, Atlantic, Blue Note, Bon Jovi, Capitol, Chrysalis, Columbia, Decca, Disney, Dreamworks, Elektra, Epic, Geffen, Island, London, Mercury, Motown, Nonesuch, RCA, Reprise, Telarc, Virgin, and, lord that must've been some bad acid, Woodstock. The RIAA is their hired fall guy. Show them they wasted their dough. - Let 'em know how you feel. Loudly. Boycotts on Diz, Sony, Virgin. Boycott in front of your local Tower Records, Sam Goodey, naming the culprits. We're in for a long, cold retail winter, out-of-work programmers parading in the streets aren't going to make the retailers any happier. Show 'em season's greetings.... Get the truth out. The quotes above are taken from the RIAA's own website, and interviews with Rosen. Let people know the truth: this is an industry group with an emphasis on the five largest firms, which *does not represent the artists*. Peace. ---------------------------------------- Notes: 1. Source: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,40359,00.html -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Noone > will accept with the first, but I would have once accepted the second. Well, it's the truth. But it ain't the _whole_ truth. What they don't tell you is that its impossible to do this without infringing _our_ rights. Dave -- David Haworth Baiersdorf, Germany david.haworth@altavista.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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CPRM was never intended to be applied to computer hard drives. It was for removable media. The reason it was added to the spec in question was for support of Compact Flash drives, which are accessed via the ATA hard disk spec but which are removable. There was considerable debate about this point at the time the accusations were made that it was part of a conspiracy. IMO the defense won. There were a lot of technical people involved in that committee who were not the conspiratorial type and they had a good explanation of what was involved. The purpose of the CPRM spec was to allow writing the data encrypted on one drive and reading it back on a different drive which lacked the same encryption keys. This is a technical complication which CPRM was designed to solve. There is no need for this complexity if the data is being written and read on the same drive, as the accusers suggested, since the same keys would be available for both steps. See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/16300.html for a "response" article and you will see that the specific accusations about CPRM have been dropped altogether in favor of a general set of complaints about copy protection. Hence it is highly unlikely that Rosen would say that CPRM was intended for computer hard drives, but it feeds exactly the fears of the conspiracy theorists at whom this document is apparently aimed. > "Once we stem piracy, we will be able to raise prices in order to > regain lost profits from piracy." Again this is a highly improbable quote. In the first place it is too obvious, everyone there would already have such thoughts in mind. In the second place it can only hurt the group in the event that it was leaked out. And in the third place it assumes that piracy is forcing them to keep prices down, which seems unlikely (although not impossible). > Sony's Heckler stated that, "Once consumers can no longer get free > music, they will have to buy the music in the formats we choose to put > out." Again, an unlikely thing to say unless the intention is to get consumers riled up. > Gerald Levin stated, "There has been an unconfirmed break in the DVD > audio encryption scheme in Russia. We cannot ignore this threat, as DVD > Audio represents the future of this company. We will have to be > vigilant, and prosecute anyone who posts a program or source code to > defeat CPPM in an extremely expeditious manner." I'm not familiar with this. What is DVD audio? Are they distributing songs on DVD disks now? And what about the well known decss DVD encryption breaking algorithm? Doesn't that already retrive the audio stream? Levin represented AOL Time Warner. Do they really think that DVD audio is "the future of this company"? It's a pretty big company to be betting its future on one unproven technology. > Paul England stated, "By tweaking hardware slightly, we can stem > content piracy by making software attacks a thing of the past." This seems technically unlikely and in a group like this which has been burned so often by broken copy protection schemes, it would seem strange that someone would make such a bald claim. These people are not idiots and they would be highly skeptical that any such technological fixes could work. > One particularly disturbing fact is that Codex Data System's DIRT > software is supposed to be restricted to law enforcement agencies, yet > the RIAA, MPAA, and IFPI have all purchased it, and use it routinely to > monitor servers which are suspected of infringing content, yet are > password protected such as servers which require one to sign up for a > password account like hotline servers that have no guest download. I don't know much about this but I'm skeptical that there is automated software to break into hotline servers. Besides, those which have no guest downloads are used by only small groups, typically no more than a few dozen users, and are unlikely to be a significant threat to the RIAA. They don't care that much about small scale piracy, it is the big systems which they want to shut down. All in all it looks like at least some of these quote have been manufactured or enhanced for political purposes. Hal Finney _______________________________________________ p2p-legal mailing list p2p-legal@dtype.org http://dtype.org/mailman/listinfo/p2p-legal From kmself at ix.netcom.com Tue Oct 9 12:55:19 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:59 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: Smell Test for a Certain Unconfirmed Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <200110091817.LAA21954@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net>; from seth.johnson@realmeasures.dyndns.org on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:16:20PM -0400 References: <200110091817.LAA21954@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20011009125519.B9746@navel.introspect> on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:16:20PM -0400, Seth Johnson (seth.johnson@realmeasures.dyndns.org) wrote: > > (Forwarded from p2p-legal list) > > -----Original Message----- > From: hal@finney.org > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:38:05 -0700 > > This report fails the "smell test". It sounds like the quotes have at > least been doctored to provide red meat to the opposition. I disagree. > > "The failure of the CPRM specification to be applied to computer > > hard drives was a giant step back for the publishing, music, and > > entertainment industry, and we will work to develop a new > > specification that accomplishes what CPRM would have done." > > CPRM was never intended to be applied to computer hard drives. It was > for removable media. The reason it was added to the spec in question > was for support of Compact Flash drives, which are accessed via the > ATA hard disk spec but which are removable. I can't speak to this directly but have forwarded your comments to those who can. My understanding is that CPRM included specific requirements that pertain only to onboard, permanent, fixed, drives. More data when available. There *was* a comment from one of the primary CPRM authors, an IBM researcher, who stated that the technology would *always* be circumventable via software means. That is, unless the process was sealed away in hardware (or encumbered by legislation), software circ would be an avenue for bypass. > Hence it is highly unlikely that Rosen would say that CPRM was > intended for computer hard drives, but it feeds exactly the fears of > the conspiracy theorists at whom this document is apparently aimed. This is readily refutable. I will wait for the refutation from the other side rather than providing it ourselves. > > "Once we stem piracy, we will be able to raise prices in order to > > regain lost profits from piracy." > > Again this is a highly improbable quote. In the first place it is too > obvious, everyone there would already have such thoughts in mind. In > the second place it can only hurt the group in the event that it was > leaked out. And in the third place it assumes that piracy is forcing > them to keep prices down, which seems unlikely (although not > impossible). However, it makes perfect economic sense. Let's make this perfectly clear: Piracy of goods results in LOWER prices, due to market forces. This is because the unauthorized production stream competes in the same (or markedly similar) market with the authorized product, but faces lower production costs. For the longer demonstration of the same statement, see my article on software piracy at: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/piracy.html > > Sony's Heckler stated that, "Once consumers can no longer get free > > music, they will have to buy the music in the formats we choose to > > put out." > > Again, an unlikely thing to say unless the intention is to get > consumers riled up. Possibly missing context, but an essential truth. In a world in which standards are being hijacked by corporate interests, closed standards are a threat to both public access and free software. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011009/1e38460b/attachment.pgp From sacraver at EE.Princeton.EDU Tue Oct 9 15:22:28 2001 From: sacraver at EE.Princeton.EDU (Xcott Craver) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:08:59 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: Smell Test for a Certain Unconfirmed Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20011009125519.B9746@navel.introspect> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:16:20PM -0400, Seth Johnson (seth.johnson@realmeasures.dyndns.org) wrote: > > (Forwarded from p2p-legal list) > > From: hal@finney.org > > > > This report fails the "smell test". It sounds like the quotes have at > > least been doctored to provide red meat to the opposition. > > I disagree. I dunno, I'm tending toward Mr. Finney's assessment. OT1H, if this was a closed-door meeting of the industry's faithful, then I can imagine them being more bold, and more angry, than when talking to the public. I never underestimate their (a) extremist views and (b) gawd-awful PR. OT2H, some of these comments really are over the top. Also, who was it that collected these quotes from the meeting? I was especially suspicious about the claim that they had acquired snooping software to get into password-protected sites. That is very likely to be a federal crime. In fact, the US is || THIS close to making it punishable by life without parole. I'd also like to add: the fact that the industry was burned before (DVD-hack, etc) does not mean they are at all skeptical of DRM technology. In fact, it seems pretty clear that they still believe it exists; and that any attempt to expose a DRM technology as fake and ineffective, is just viewed as a "hacker" "attacking" their imaginary security technology. Xcott From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Tue Oct 9 20:27:22 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:00 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: Fair Use is a Balance? References: <3BC25830.74D00C51@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> <3BC31F0B.FE7E39B0@ia.nsc.com> Message-ID: <3BC3C01A.6FCA1E2F@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Thanks, John, for this very helpful set of definitions. Seth Johnson Committee for Independent Technology John Zulauf wrote: > > I think the observer that highlighted the need to keep the war of words > off the enemies ground is quite important. > > "Fair use" == (1) "a safety valve allowing the copyright clause to > remain just barely constitutional in light of the first amendment which > allow for 'no restrictions'" (2) "the effect of the primacy of > amendments over the body of the constitution such that to the extent > that the copyright clause would interfere with freedom of speech, press, > or religion it is invalidated" > "copyright" == (1) "the least set of restrictions over property rights > and free speech needed to promote progress by encouraging authors and > inventors" (2) "a limited monopoly over the production of copies or the > manufacture of an invention granted by constitutional expression, and > not natural law" > "limited times" == (1) "a phrase interpreted by the authors to include > only a small portion of a human lifespan -- 14-28 years" (2) "a > limitation allowing works to return to the public domain while still > relevant -- thus works known from childhood would be free for use by > adults within there lifespan" (3) "a motivation for successful authors > to continue creating works throughout their careers, preventing a > 'one-hit sinecure' from demotivating the most valued authors and > inventors -- see 'sword of damacles'" > "circumvention" == (1) "a process required to exercise free speech > through fair use" (2) "the removal of illegal prior restraints on > speech" > "rights of a copyright owner" == "the limited set of exclusive rights > granted to authors for a limited times for the purpose of promoting > progress" > "property rights" == "those rights to use fairly, and dispose of through > resale owned copies of digitial works" > "intellectual property right" == "an extra-constitutional concept of the > absolute, unregulated control over both the idea and expression of the > result of any creative process" > "digital rights managment" == (1) "the ability to assert arbitrary > rights to control use and restrain speech through non-party agreements > and cartels" (2) "copyright abuse" (3) "invasion of privacy" > "technical protective measure (1) "pre-first-sale/pre-first-access: > mechanisms to ensure the equitable exchange of value of rights to fair > use of one copy of a copyrighted work" (2) > "post-first-sale/post-first-access: same as digitial rights management > 1-3" From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Tue Oct 9 20:59:57 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:00 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Events? References: <20010930160104.H10371@zork.net> Message-ID: <3BC3C7BD.F90D0978@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Please support Dmitry Sklyarov's legal campaign. I'll try to keep those parts of my synthetic efforts that I post to Free-Sklyarov, more tailored to Seth Schoen's request, below. No sweat. :-) New Yorkers for Fair Use needs more canvassers to reach people in Congressman Weiner's district in Brooklyn, NY, to sign a petition to repeal the DMCA and oppose the prosecution of Dmitry Sklyarov. Committee for Independent Technology needs more outreach volunteers to help build the C-FIT analysis, in the specific area of content control measures being a dead end to which Dmitry Sklyarov is being unjustly and grievously subjected. Seth Johnson Committee for Independent Technology C-FIT Home: http://RealMeasures.dyndns.org/C-FIT Send "[Un]Subscribe C-FIT_Community" To Listserv@RealMeasures.dyndns.org Seth David Schoen wrote: > > I know there may be a bit of a lull now because there won't be > anything going on in court until November. > > Although it's nice if people would like to fight the DMCA, the SSSCA, > UCITA, software patents, restrictions on cryptography, and so on -- > and I hope you will -- it would be great if there could be actual > Sklyarov-relevant things continuing in the meantime. > > Does anyone have any plans? > > I'll try to get in touch with the new lawyer sometime soon and find > out whether he has any recommendations. From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Tue Oct 9 20:18:28 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:00 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Internet Society Call for Papers Message-ID: <3BC3BE04.32240125@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> (Forwarded from DIGITALDIVIDE@CDINET.COM list) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:01:12 -0400 From: Anne Shroeder The Internet Society has recently launched a new series of papers directed to their members (which include hundreds of large technology corporations around the world). You can see some of the briefings here: http://www.isoc.org/briefings/ These are primarily very technical papers on topics pertinent to the development of the Internet. These are very high visibility papers and are posted both on the web site and emailed to all of our members. We are currently soliciting papers on the following topics: Terrorism and Internet Privacy Censorship New PC Operating Systems and Privacy Cookies Spam Children and the Internet Copyright laws and the Internet Patents Encryption Any digital divide issues If you would be interested in submitting a paper on one of these topics or would like to propose a topic for a paper please email Lance Laack at lance@isoc.org Anne Shroeder anne@language-works.com From debug at centras.lt Wed Oct 10 02:15:03 2001 From: debug at centras.lt (DeBug) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:00 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: Smell Test for a Certain Unconfirmed Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20011009125519.B9746@navel.introspect> References: <200110091817.LAA21954@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <20011009125519.B9746@navel.introspect> Message-ID: <1915904938.20011010111503@centras.lt> KMS> However, it makes perfect economic sense. Let's make this perfectly KMS> clear: KMS> Piracy of goods results in LOWER prices, due to market forces. KMS> This is because the unauthorized production stream competes in the same KMS> (or markedly similar) market with the authorized product, but faces KMS> lower production costs. For the longer demonstration of the same KMS> statement, see my article on software piracy at: unauthorized production stream COMPETES. This is very important. just one example - the harder it will be to get pirated Windows the more people will switch to Unix'es. I feel that Microsoft is trading piracy on purpose. -- Best regards, DeBug mailto:debug@centras.lt From corbet-fs at lwn.net Wed Oct 10 07:01:22 2001 From: corbet-fs at lwn.net (Jonathan Corbet) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:00 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: Smell Test for a Certain Unconfirmed Meeting Report In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:16:20 EDT." <200110091817.LAA21954@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20011010140122.408.qmail@eklektix.com> > This report fails the "smell test". It sounds like the quotes have at > least been doctored to provide red meat to the opposition. In fact, it seems to have been identified as a hoax: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/10/1245203&mode=thread jon Jonathan Corbet Executive editor, LWN.net corbet@lwn.net From dcwornock at home.com Wed Oct 10 09:03:51 2001 From: dcwornock at home.com (D.C. Wornock) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:00 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: free-sklyarov digest, Vol 1 #252 - 8 msgs References: Message-ID: <000d01c151a5$275bb5e0$2d23b518@cc653035a> The following is a reply from my congressman: Thank you for contacting my office to express your views on the case of Dmitry Sklyarov. I appreciate hearing from you. Mr. Sklyarov and his company, Elcomsoft Co. Ltd., were indicted on August 28, 2001 on charges of violating the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA). Although this case has just recently entered the courts, it is widely expected to reach the highest levels of the United States Justice system. At present, Congress has no pending legislation that would amend or repeal the DMCA, but this case will be watched closely in the coming months to assess the impact of this legislation. Again, thank you for contacting me. Sincerely, Vic Snyder Member of Congress From kmself at ix.netcom.com Wed Oct 10 15:55:47 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:01 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: Smell Test for a Certain Unconfirmed Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20011010140122.408.qmail@eklektix.com>; from corbet-fs@lwn.net on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:01:22AM -0600 References: <200110091817.LAA21954@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <20011010140122.408.qmail@eklektix.com> Message-ID: <20011010155547.G3896@navel.introspect> on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:01:22AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet (corbet-fs@lwn.net) wrote: > > This report fails the "smell test". It sounds like the quotes have at > > least been doctored to provide red meat to the opposition. > > In fact, it seems to have been identified as a hoax: > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/10/1245203&mode=thread Not identified as, but strongly suspected. I continue to suspend judgement, it's plausible but unproven, and suspicious, all at the same time. From the Cypherpunks list, John Young (Cryptome's maintainer) writes: We're pursuing the matter though Tony Smith at the Register seems to be washing his hands of it. And we have asked a couple of wizards help check out the source of the messages we have received, now two -- the latest last evening (with a possibility the source is a provocateur of the infotainment industry aiming for sympathy legislation). Here's our latest message to our always trustworthy source: ----- Response to your message last evening: The Register has today recanted its story about the RIAA meeting. How do you want to handle this now? Ready to be named, your full messages published on Cryptome, or do you want to provide substantiation for your messages and keep your identity concealed? Or perhaps another thoughtful approach to loft this story to a higher level. Interest will be high for a few more hours -- or many days if you come through with authentic evidence. Want to talk on the phone, be on TV with a mask, then fax us your meeting notes for one of the prime participants, provide proof of employment with a media corporation. All as easily done as this message. John Tel: 212-873-8700 Fax: 212-787-6102 ----- Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011010/2ddf9fc2/attachment.pgp From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Oct 10 16:51:54 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:01 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [fairuse-discuss] Fair Use is a Balance? In-Reply-To: <3BC257DC.CFAC03A3@RealMeasures.dyndns.org>; from seth.johnson@RealMeasures.dyndns.org on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 21:50:20 -0400 References: <3BC257DC.CFAC03A3@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011010195154.O24730@www2.mrbrklyn.com> This discussion sucks, and I'll tell you why,. Copyright is the exception to Fair Use. Logically, this is obvious if not obscured by gibberish double talk, and is the official position of NY Fair Use. If Copyright is not the exception to Fair Use, then what the hell are those rights which humans have under the 1st and 4th amendments which Copyright infringed on? It's the objective of NY Fair Use to get this phrasiology enacted into law. ALSO - I have no use for the word 'Copyright'. Like other movements, we need to take control of the language used when discussing the issues. 'Copyright' (and intelelctual property) needs to go the way of the word 'nigger' and be replaced with a more civil term like "Cultural Artifacts under limited government franchise to private interests". CAULGF for short. Ruben ____________________________ New Yorkers for Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From dcwornock at home.com Thu Oct 11 14:35:25 2001 From: dcwornock at home.com (D.C. Wornock) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:01 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Letter, Arkansas Senator Message-ID: <002801c1529c$a3ed7ab0$2d23b518@cc653035a> I received the following letter from my senator. Dear Mr. Wornock: Thank you for sharing your concerns about the conviction of Dmitry Sklyarov and copyright protection laws. I am glad that you contacted me. On July 15,2001, Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Apparently, he developed and presented a computer program at a Las Vegas convention that exposed flaws in the Adobe eBook Reader copyright control system. The computer code written by Mr. Sklyarov was legal in Russia, but authorities contend that his software removes important security features that could lead to copyright infringement. I understand your frustration with Mr. Sklyarov's arrest; however the matter of his guilt is for a court to decide. Please know that I will monitor this situation, so that the enforcement of our nation's laws do not violate personal freedoms enjoyed by our citizens. Finally, regarding your opposition to copyright protection legislation, United States Senator Ernest Hollings (SC) is currently developing a bill that would protect intellectual property from pirating on the Internet. If this measure is brought before the Senate, please know that I will keep your views in mind. Tim Hutchinson United States Senator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011011/354bb7db/attachment.html From owlswan at eagle.eff.org Thu Oct 11 14:57:08 2001 From: owlswan at eagle.eff.org (Henry Schwan) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:02 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Letter, Arkansas Senator In-Reply-To: <002801c1529c$a3ed7ab0$2d23b518@cc653035a> Message-ID: This Senator is confused and needs some education. And that last sentence might as well say: If this measure is brought before the Senate, please know that I will keep your views in mind as I vote to strip away the rest of your rights. On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, D.C. Wornock wrote: > I received the following letter from my senator. > > Dear Mr. Wornock: Thank you for sharing your concerns about the > conviction of Dmitry Sklyarov and copyright protection laws. I am glad > that you contacted me. > > On July 15,2001, Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested by the Federal Bureau of > Investigation for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. > Apparently, he developed and presented a computer program at a Las > Vegas convention that exposed flaws in the Adobe eBook Reader > copyright control system. The computer code written by Mr. Sklyarov > was legal in Russia, but authorities contend that his software removes > important security features that could lead to copyright infringement. > I understand your frustration with Mr. Sklyarov's arrest; however the > matter of his guilt is for a court to decide. Please know that I will > monitor this situation, so that the enforcement of our nation's laws > do not violate personal freedoms enjoyed by our citizens. > > Finally, regarding your opposition to copyright protection > legislation, United States Senator Ernest Hollings (SC) is currently > developing a bill that would protect intellectual property from > pirating on the Internet. If this measure is brought before the > Senate, please know that I will keep your views in mind. > > Tim Hutchinson United States Senator > > -- Regards, Henry Schwan Paralegal Electronic Frontier Foundation (415)436-9333 x114 (415)436-9993 (fax) owlswan@eff.org "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." -- James Madison -- Founding Father, US President From owlswan at eagle.eff.org Thu Oct 11 15:09:12 2001 From: owlswan at eagle.eff.org (Henry Schwan) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Letter, Arkansas Senator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From lblunk at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 17:00:27 2001 From: lblunk at yahoo.com (Larry Blunk) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Senate meeting on Oct. 25 about "securing" content Message-ID: <20011012000027.92319.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> The Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee is holding a hearing on Oct. 25 to "examine promoting broadband, focusing on securing content and accelerating transition to digital television." The hearing will be held at 9:30AM in room 253 of the Russell Senate Office Building will seating available on a first come, first serve basis. A list of witnesses has not yet been made available. The Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee is chaired by Senator Hollings, and includes Senator Stevens in its membership. The two primary backers of the SSSCA bill. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From russotto at pond.com Fri Oct 12 10:31:46 2001 From: russotto at pond.com (Matthew T. Russotto) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF Message-ID: <200110121731.NAA04270@pond.com> Check out the EFFs website; there's some fairly recent stuff on the Felten case. The government has submitted a motion asking to be dismissed from the case because it isn't "ripe". Apparently if you aren't behind bars yet, you don't get to challenge the law, in the goverment's view. The motion is worth a read. There's some interesting sophistry -- the govt wants the government to dismiss the claim that the DMCA is invalid on its face, among other reasons, on the grounds that the plaintiff's conduct does not violate the DMCA. But they ALSO (in a footnote) do not want the court to issue the declaratory judgement that the plaintiff's have asked for. Further, while in the main text they claim that there is no problem publishing a paper on circumvention methods, in another footnote they reserve the right to change their mind. And they ask the court to believe that something intended for scientific research can not be covered under the DMCA because it covers only products designed or marketed for circumvention -- despite the fact that the whole controversy over Felten's research is it was specifically designed for circumvention, despite being scientific research. The government REALLY does not want this case to go forward. The plaintiffs are bona-fide scientific researchers, and (despite the sophistry in the govt motion arguing that since they did eventually publish they weren't chilled) they have the smoking gun of the RIAA/SDMI letter to prove they were in fact threatened. Obviously the best case for us is for the DMCA to be declared unconstitutional. Then Dmitry goes home, everyone chilled gets unchilled, and the SSSCA probably goes away too. However, even a judgement that Felten's conduct doesn't violate the DMCA would severely limit the government and the copyright industry's ability to use it as a club. _Their_ best case is to never actually have _any_ case go to a higher court, so they can use the mere threat of prosecution to keep people in line without ever having to actually defend their actions. s From branden+serrfxylnebi at deadbeast.net Fri Oct 12 14:01:40 2001 From: branden+serrfxylnebi at deadbeast.net (Branden Robinson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <200110121731.NAA04270@pond.com> References: <200110121731.NAA04270@pond.com> Message-ID: <20011012160140.B28860@deadbeast.net> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Matthew T. Russotto wrote: > Check out the EFFs website; there's some fairly recent stuff on the Felten > case. The government has submitted a motion asking to be dismissed from > the case because it isn't "ripe". Apparently if you aren't behind > bars yet, you don't get to challenge the law, in the goverment's view. [good stuff snipped] Perhaps you should file an Amicus Brief containing your arguments. :) -- G. Branden Robinson | The software said it required Debian GNU/Linux | Windows 3.1 or better, so I branden@deadbeast.net | installed Linux. http://www.deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011012/941d865e/attachment.pgp From rms at privacyfoundation.org Sat Oct 13 08:21:44 2001 From: rms at privacyfoundation.org (Richard M. Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Reuters: Electronic Publishers, Paper Power Vie at Book Fair In-Reply-To: <200110121731.NAA04270@pond.com> Message-ID: <00ec01c153fa$c47de940$6601a8c0@rms> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011013/tc/arts_books_electronic_dc_1.h tml Electronic Publishers, Paper Power Vie at Book Fair By Emma Thomasson FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Electronic publishing has turned its focus to niche markets at this year's Frankfurt Book Fair as the industry admits most readers would still rather curl up with a book than a bulky, expensive screen. In contrast with the euphoria of last year, when some electronic publishers predicted paper books would become museum pieces within a generation, the industry has scaled back its ambitions since the crisis that struck the New Economy. ``The electronic book has not fulfilled expectations. It has come back down to earth,'' Sabine Kaldonek, a spokeswoman for the world's largest book fair in Frankfurt, said on Friday. ``The technology still needs working on and we need to consider which titles and which content is suited,'' she said. ..... SECURITY CONCERNS Many publishers are still put off converting their copyrighted texts into digital format by concerns they could be copied and passed on for free without proper encryption. Best-selling thriller writer Stephen King abandoned a project to publish his book ``Riding the Bullet'' only on the Internet when many readers stopped paying for installments. Nina Vogel, public relations adviser in Germany to software company Gemstar, which produces the leading hand-held device onto which texts can be downloaded, said both price and security for publishers would determine future demand. ``The future market depends on the device being cheaper and being able to have more titles,'' Vogel said. ``That depends on how the legal situation develops. At the moment the rights to each title have to be negotiated individually which is very time consuming.'' Many of the stands in the electronic media section of the Frankfurt book fair offered specialist technology to allow publishers to encode their texts to prevent piracy. ..... From seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org Sat Oct 13 16:30:56 2001 From: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Info2clear and Adobe Partner for Secure E-Books Message-ID: <3BC8CEB0.20D72207@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> http://www.onlinepublishingnews.com/htm/n20011008.046928.htm Info2clear Partners with Adobe to Provide Secure E-Books 8 October 2001 Excerpt: Info2clear, a leading European player in the digital copyright clearance market, has concluded an agreement with Adobe Systems. Via Info2clear's Digital Rights Management services, publishers and retailers can now distribute Adobe Portable Format (PDF)-based ebooks in a secure way... The partnership enables Info2clear to further expand its get-a-view service to the business environment. Adobe ebooks are based on Adobe PDF and are therefore suitable for business reports and technical texts. Info2clear will integrate Adobe Content Server and Adobe Acrobat eBook Reader into its clearance infrastructure. The Adobe Content Server is an end-to-end software solution that enables publishers, online content distributors and resellers to secure and distribute Adobe PDF-based eBooks. Adobe's solution enables content providers to encrypt their Adobe PDF files for immediate online sales as ebooks. The software works easily with existing IT environments, allowing users to secure intellectual property and tightly control digital rights and distribution. "Publishers are extremely concerned about revenue loss due to illegal copying and clearly fear an analogy to Napster for eBooks", says Jan Spooren, vice president technical developments and executive director at Info2clear. "The Adobe Content Server offers a number of very appealing Digital Rights Management (DRM) features, allowing the publisher to define precisely which kind of access he wishes to grant the end-user." From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sat Oct 13 16:42:05 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [fairuse] Info2clear and Adobe Partner for Secure E-Books In-Reply-To: <3BC8CEB0.20D72207@RealMeasures.dyndns.org>; from seth.johnson@RealMeasures.dyndns.org on Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 19:30:56 -0400 References: <3BC8CEB0.20D72207@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011013194205.G19042@www2.mrbrklyn.com> So does this lay the way for the elimination of European General purpose libraries? What's the importance of this? Ruben ___________________________ On 2001.10.13 19:30:56 -0400 Seth Johnson wrote: http://www.onlinepublishingnews.com/htm/n20011008.046928.htm Info2clear Partners with Adobe to Provide Secure E-Books 8 October 2001 <> ____________________________ New Yorkers for Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/The_Beatles_-_Rocky_Raccoon.mp3 From rew at erebor.com Sun Oct 14 15:04:29 2001 From: rew at erebor.com (Ryan Waldron) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <200110121731.NAA04270@pond.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Matthew T. Russotto wrote: > Obviously the best case > for us is for the DMCA to be declared unconstitutional. Then Dmitry > goes home, everyone chilled gets unchilled, and the SSSCA probably > goes away too. However, even a judgement that Felten's conduct > doesn't violate the DMCA would severely limit the government and the > copyright industry's ability to use it as a club. _Their_ best case > is to never actually have _any_ case go to a higher court, so they can > use the mere threat of prosecution to keep people in line without ever > having to actually defend their actions. Someone explain to me (and yes, I understand that you are not a lawyer, whoever gives me an answer here that I can grasp) why this can't be done. I *assume* that it can't, because it seems an obvious way to get rid of stupid, bad laws like this. But what I don't know is what part of the legal system prevents it. The scenario would be thus: 1) "Friendly" company 1 produces copyrighted and "protected" work. 2) Researcher Bob cirvumvents protected copyright effort by company 1. 3) Company A presses charges/sues Researcher Bob for violating the DMCA. 4) Researcher Bob kicks Company A's corporate butt in court, and along the way gets the DMCA thrown out. 5) Company A, Researcher Bob, and the rest of the community go have their preferred celebratory libations Is it because Company 1 can only press civil charges on its own, and that a judgment in a civil case would not suffice to eliminate the evilDMCA? Or is it because the two parties in a court case cannot be acting in collusion to demonstrate the utter unconstitutionality of a law? I know it should be obvious by now why this can't be done, but if someone explained it before, I missed it (and apologize). I do try to keep up. :) -- Ryan Waldron ||| http://www.erebor.com ||| rew@erebor.com "The web goes ever, ever on, down from the site where it began..." From akatalov at elcomsoft.com Sun Oct 14 17:48:00 2001 From: akatalov at elcomsoft.com (Alex Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:04 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01360744.20011014174800@elcomsoft.com> Dear Ryan, >> Obviously the best case >> for us is for the DMCA to be declared unconstitutional. Then Dmitry >> goes home, everyone chilled gets unchilled, and the SSSCA probably >> goes away too. However, even a judgement that Felten's conduct >> doesn't violate the DMCA would severely limit the government and the >> copyright industry's ability to use it as a club. _Their_ best case >> is to never actually have _any_ case go to a higher court, so they can >> use the mere threat of prosecution to keep people in line without ever >> having to actually defend their actions. RW> Someone explain to me (and yes, I understand that you are not a RW> lawyer, whoever gives me an answer here that I can grasp) why this RW> can't be done. Lets imagine: 1) We (ElcomSoft) make some commercial software which use Prof. Felten's algoritms 2) We sign some contract with Felten, that he donates this algoritm to us for any use for free (i.e. he personally will have not any commercial relations with Elcomsoft at all). 3) Inside the software (according to the Russian's copyright law) we'll write: "(c)Edward Felten, Elcomsoft". 4) Then we put this software for sale from our website. 5) Then Prof. Felten will go to some conference in the USA to have a speach about _his_algoritm_, but uses our software for demonstration. What DoJ will do in this case? -- Best regards, Alex mailto:akatalov@elcomsoft.com From mech at eagle.eff.org Sun Oct 14 18:32:46 2001 From: mech at eagle.eff.org (Stanton McCandlish) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:04 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's because of the collusion aspect. That doesn't mean this sort of thing can't ever happen, but if you were caught, you'd be in serious trouble. From kmself at ix.netcom.com Sun Oct 14 18:41:50 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:04 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: ; from mech@eagle.eff.org on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 06:32:46PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20011014184150.A29795@navel.introspect> on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 06:32:46PM -0700, Stanton McCandlish (mech@eagle.eff.org) wrote: > It's because of the collusion aspect. That doesn't mean this sort of > thing can't ever happen, but if you were caught, you'd be in serious > trouble. 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Check out: http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=233 collusive action n. a lawsuit brought by parties pretending to be adversaries in order to obtain by subterfuge an advisory opinion or precedent-setting decision from the court. If a judge determines the action does not involve a true controversy he/she will dismiss it. http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=345 controversy n. 1) disagreement, argument or quarrel. 2) a dispute, which must be an actual contested issue between parties in order to be heard by a court. The U.S. Supreme Court particularly requires an "actual controversy" and avoids giving "what if" advisory opinions. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com http://archive.nytimes.com/2001/07/19/technology/circuits/19HACK.html BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/loophole.php BESS vs Google: http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php From rew at erebor.com Sun Oct 14 21:20:18 2001 From: rew at erebor.com (Ryan Waldron) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:04 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <20011014221644.A14220@sethf.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > Check out: > > http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=233 > collusive action > n. a lawsuit brought by parties pretending to be adversaries in order etc. Perfect, that's what I was after. That's also a very useful site to those of us uninitiated in the wonders of legal theory and terminology. Thanks for the link. I had a feeling that it was probably illegal in some form, but I didn't know where to find a reference to what MADE it illegal. Thanks, back to lurking and reading for now. -- Ryan Waldron ||| http://www.erebor.com ||| rew@erebor.com "The web goes ever, ever on, down from the site where it began..." From tom at lemuria.org Sun Oct 14 22:19:18 2001 From: tom at lemuria.org (Tom) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:04 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <01360744.20011014174800@elcomsoft.com>; from akatalov@elcomsoft.com on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 05:48:00PM -0700 References: <01360744.20011014174800@elcomsoft.com> Message-ID: <20011015071917.B15385@lemuria.org> On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 05:48:00PM -0700, Alex Katalov wrote: > Lets imagine: > > 1) We (ElcomSoft) make some commercial software which use Prof. > Felten's algoritms > > 2) We sign some contract with Felten, that he donates this algoritm to > us for any use for free (i.e. he personally will have not any > commercial relations with Elcomsoft at all). > > 3) Inside the software (according to the Russian's copyright law) > we'll write: "(c)Edward Felten, Elcomsoft". > > 4) Then we put this software for sale from our website. > > 5) Then Prof. Felten will go to some conference in the USA to have a > speach about _his_algoritm_, but uses our software for demonstration. > > What DoJ will do in this case? argue that you're acting in concert in order to break the law, i.e. conspire, which means this is a conspiracy and everyone knowingly involved, whether or not he himself broke the law or not, will be invited to a 15 year tour of the federal prison system. -- -- http://web.lemuria.org -- From kyhwana at world-net.co.nz Mon Oct 15 03:15:36 2001 From: kyhwana at world-net.co.nz (Daniel Richards) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:04 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <01360744.20011014174800@elcomsoft.com> References: Message-ID: <3BCB6E18.3491.24B8EEB@localhost> On 14 Oct 2001, at 17:48, Alex Katalov wrote: [snip] > Lets imagine: > > 1) We (ElcomSoft) make some commercial software which use Prof. > Felten's algoritms > > 2) We sign some contract with Felten, that he donates this algoritm to > us for any use for free (i.e. he personally will have not any > commercial relations with Elcomsoft at all). > > 3) Inside the software (according to the Russian's copyright law) > we'll write: "(c)Edward Felten, Elcomsoft". > > 4) Then we put this software for sale from our website. > > 5) Then Prof. Felten will go to some conference in the USA to have a > speach about _his_algoritm_, but uses our software for demonstration. > > What DoJ will do in this case? Why, they'd arrest his ass, probably at the urging of whichever company elcomsoft has pissed off today. (Hey, that's a neat catchphrase.. "Elcomsoft, which company do you want to piss off today?!" Hmm, nah, it needs a little work. Maybe "Elcomsoft, pissing off since "(tm, of course) Hmm, will Elcomsoft continue making programs that may be illegal in the US or not? (And just make sure not to visit there, of course) http://www.freesklyarov.org - Free Dmitry! PGP Pub key: http://solfire.com/~kyhwana/shell/DanielRPubKey.asc Fingerprint: 416D 4027 D635 AF51 F2BF 60DF 4D94 F7A0 9893 2848 From akatalov at elcomsoft.com Mon Oct 15 03:32:47 2001 From: akatalov at elcomsoft.com (Alex Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:04 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <3BCB6E18.3491.24B8EEB@localhost> References: <3BCB6E18.3491.24B8EEB@localhost> Message-ID: <13136449576.20011015033247@elcomsoft.com> Dear Daniel, DR> Hmm, will Elcomsoft continue making programs that may be illegal in DR> the US or not? (And just make sure not to visit there, of course) We never make any programs that are illegal in US (if somebody thinks, that we did, this is his problem, but only court can decide this) and we are not going to do such programs in future. All our programs are absolutely legal an lawful!!! And sure - I'm in US now, and I'm going to visit here whenever I want to do this (at least while my 3-years business unlimit visits visais valid). -- Best regards, Alex mailto:akatalov@elcomsoft.com From kmself at ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 15 12:35:58 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:05 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: pho: Wired News :RIAA Wants to Hack Your PC In-Reply-To: <18323576871.20011015185458@web.de>; from janko.roettgers@web.de on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 06:54:58PM +0200 References: <18323576871.20011015185458@web.de> Message-ID: <20011015123557.N6461@navel.introspect> Interesting twist on the USA act and the sudden outrage of the RIAA -- mafia racket for Sony, EMI, Warner, BMG, Universal and 600 other lables to strong-arm their customers -- at discovering they might not be able to counter-hack fair-use practitioners. on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 06:54:58PM +0200, Janko Roettgers (janko.roettgers@web.de) wrote: > > Interesting story. Any suggestions how far the new bill would > interfere with effords to snoop into P2P-networks like Aimster > and such? Is the loss of privacy (someone browses through your > shared folders) already a "damage"? > > ============================================================ > > From Wired News, available online at: > http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,47552,00.html > > RIAA Wants to Hack Your PC > By Declan McCullagh > > 2:00 a.m. Oct. 15, 2001 PDT > > WASHINGTON -- Look out, music pirates: The recording industry wants > the right to hack into your computer and delete your stolen MP3s. > > It's no joke. Lobbyists for the Recording Industry Association of > America (RIAA) tried to glue this hacking-authorization amendment onto > a mammoth anti-terrorism bil l that Congress approved last week. > > A copy of an RIAA-drafted amendment obtained by Wired News would > immunize all copyright holders -- including the movie and e-book > industry -- for any data losses ca used by their hacking efforts or > other computer intrusions "that are reasonably intended to impede or > prevent" electronic piracy. > > In an interview Friday, RIAA lobbyist Mitch Glazier said that his > association has abandoned plans to insert that amendment into > anti-terrorism bills -- and instead i s supporting a revised amendment > that takes a more modest approach. > > "It will not be some special exception for copyright owners," Glazier > said. "It will be a general fix to bring back current law." Glazier is > the RIAA's senior vice presi dent of government relations and a former > House aide. > > The RIAA's interest in the USA Act, an anti-terrorism bill that the > Senate and the House approved last week, grew out of an obscure part > of it called section 815. Call ed the "Deterrence and Prevention of > Cyberterrorism" section, it says that anyone who breaks into c > omputers and causes damage "aggregating at least $5,000 in value" in a > one-year period would be com mitting a crime. > > If the current version of the USA Act becomes law, the RIAA believes, > it could outlaw attempts by copyright holders to break into and > disable pirate FTP or websites or p eer-to-peer networks. Because the > bill covers aggregate damage, it could bar anti-piracy efforts th at > cause little harm to individual users, but meet the $5,000 threshold > when combined. > > "We might try and block somebody," Glazier said. "If we know someone > is operating a server, a pirated music facility, we could try to take > measures to try and prevent t hem from uploading or transmitting > pirated documents." > > The RIAA believes that this kind of technological "self-help" against > online pirates, if done carefully, is legal under current federal law. > But the RIAA is worried abou t the USA Act banning that practice -- > and neither the Senate nor the House versions of that bill i nclude > the RIAA's suggested changes. > > Glazier said that the RIAA was no longer lobbying for the language > provided to Wired News -- "that's completely out" -- but instead > wanted to ensure that current law remains the same. But Glazier said > he could not provide a copy of the revised amendment he hopes to > include. > > Legal scholars say that the original amendment the RIAA had been > shopping around to members of Congress raises privacy and security > concerns. > > "It could lead to some really bad outcomes, like a program > purposefully intended to delete MP3s that misfunctions and erases > everything on a disk -- ooops," s ays Marc Rotenberg, director of the > Electronic Privacy Information Center. "Think a repo man smashi ng > windows and knocking down doors to pull out the 27-inch color TV when > you've missed a couple of payments." > > Peter Swire, a former top privacy official under President Clinton and > now a professor at Ohio State University, says he hopes there would be > public debate on any such pr oposal. > > "On its face, this language would allow a deliberate hack attack by a > copyright owner against the system of someone who is infringing the > copyright," Swire said. > > The draft amendment is overly broad and poorly-written, says Orin > Kerr, a former Justice Department lawyer now at George Washington > University. Says Kerr: "It would deny victims their right to sue > copyright owners and their agents if they engaged in vigilante just > ice by hacking or other means in an effort to block online music > distribution." > > "Another troubling thing is that they appear to be trying to limit > their liability for consequential damages," says R. Polk Wagner, an > assistant professor at the Univ ersity of Pennsylvania's law school. > "What if their efforts caused your hard disk to become fatally > corrupted?" > > An aide on Capitol Hill who had been contacted by the RIAA was even > more blunt, dubbing the amendment the "RIAA's License to Virus" > proposal. > > For its part, the RIAA is still trying to get a copy of its revised > amendment -- that it would not provide a copy of -- included in the > anti-terrorism bill called the USA Act. > > "It didn't make it into the Senate bill," says the RIAA's Glazier. "So > the great work of the Senate staff to fix this unintentional problem > didn't get through. Now we're in the House with the base language that > could have these unintended consequences." > > On Friday, the House voted 339-79 for the USA Act, which eases limits > on wiretapping and Internet monitoring. The Senate approved the bill > on Thursday. > > Because neither the House nor the Senate versions of the USA Act > include either variant of the RIAA's amendment, the association's > lobbyists will focus on a possibl e conference committee, which would > be appointed to work out differences with the Senate. Another p > ossibility is that the Senate could enact the USA Act when senators > return this week, automatically sending the bill to President Bush for > his signature. > > Bush has asked Congress for the additional surveillance and detention > powers as a response to the deadly Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the > World Trade Center and the Pen tagon. > > The text of the original RIAA amendment says that "no action may be > brought under this subsection arising out of any impairment of the > availability of data, a program, a system or information, resulting > from measures taken by an owner of copyright in a work of autho rship, > or any person authorized by such owner to act on its behalf, that are > intended to impede or prevent the infringement of copyright in such > work by wire or electronic communication." > > It also immunizes from liability actions that "are reasonably intended > to impede or prevent the unauthorized transmission" of pirated > materials. > > > ===8<===========End of original message text=========== > > > > -- > Best regards, > Janko mailto:janko.roettgers@web.de > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the pho mailing list, managed by Majordomo 1.94.4. > > To send a message to the list, email pho@onehouse.com. > To send a request to majordomo, email majordomo@onehouse.com and put your > request in the body of the message (use request "help" for help). > To unsubscribe from the list, email majordomo@onehouse.com and put > "unsubscribe pho" in the body of the message. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011015/80123b10/attachment.pgp From tompoe at renonevada.net Mon Oct 15 13:52:58 2001 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:05 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: pho: Wired News :RIAA Wants to Hack Your PC In-Reply-To: <20011015123557.N6461@navel.introspect> References: <18323576871.20011015185458@web.de> <20011015123557.N6461@navel.introspect> Message-ID: <01101513525802.18737@aether> On Monday 15 October 2001 12:35, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > Interesting twist on the USA act and the sudden outrage of the RIAA -- > mafia racket for Sony, EMI, Warner, BMG, Universal and 600 other lables > to strong-arm their customers -- at discovering they might not be able > to counter-hack fair-use practitioners. > Hello: Well, while these guys are wreaking havoc across the globe with their idiocy, I wonder just how many are beginning to move away from media crap. I find myself having tuned the 'ol radio station to something that's tolerable, spending more time listening to classical stations, and ignoring anything being hyped out there. For special pleasure, a trip to the local jazz club, maybe, or concert. Life without the hystrionics of shit-throwers like the RIAA, and music and entertainment industry. Bet there just might be enough of us to discourage the artists trying to make a living. Too bad. I feel sorry for them. The publisher side can either GET WITH IT, or GET OUT, as far as I'm concerned. Maybe opportunity is knocking at the door for a big run on music appreciation classes in our schools. Give the kids alternatives, as the cost is prohibitive in all ways. Just a thought, tom From ath at limm.mgimo.ru Mon Oct 15 09:10:20 2001 From: ath at limm.mgimo.ru (Ilya V. Vasilyev) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:05 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF References: <01360744.20011014174800@elcomsoft.com> <20011015071917.B15385@lemuria.org> Message-ID: <000501c155c2$6bbd29a0$0100a8c0@sharhan> Hi, Tom! > argue that you're acting in concert in order to break the law, i.e. > conspire, which means this is a conspiracy and everyone knowingly > involved, whether or not he himself broke the law or not, will be > invited to a 15 year tour of the federal prison system. Hmm... But "conspiracy" is nothing more, than secret talks. Does this all means, that in US there isn't freedom to talk, even privately? If Mr.X and Mr.Y doesn't like the law Z and want to change it, they must tell Big Brother (DoJ) about it, or it would be "conspiracy"? - - - Ilya V. Vasilyev Civil Hackers' School Moscow Center +7(095)162-4767 http://hscool.org/ From tom at lemuria.org Mon Oct 15 15:01:24 2001 From: tom at lemuria.org (Tom) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:05 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <000501c155c2$6bbd29a0$0100a8c0@sharhan>; from ath@limm.mgimo.ru on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 08:10:20PM +0400 References: <01360744.20011014174800@elcomsoft.com> <20011015071917.B15385@lemuria.org> <000501c155c2$6bbd29a0$0100a8c0@sharhan> Message-ID: <20011016000124.F15890@lemuria.org> On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 08:10:20PM +0400, Ilya V. Vasilyev wrote: > > argue that you're acting in concert in order to break the law, i.e. > > conspire, which means this is a conspiracy and everyone knowingly > > involved, whether or not he himself broke the law or not, will be > > invited to a 15 year tour of the federal prison system. > > Hmm... But "conspiracy" is nothing more, than secret talks. > > Does this all means, that in US there isn't freedom to talk, even privately? that's right. uh, on paper that freedom may still exist. maybe it'll even survive the current terrorism panic. but in fact, for all practical matters, I'd be very surprised to find the US government really honouring it. > If Mr.X and Mr.Y doesn't like the law Z and want to change it, > they must tell Big Brother (DoJ) about it, or it would be "conspiracy"? depends on whether or not .gov a) likes X and Y or b) likes Z. now, according to the LAW, there's not much the .gov can do. but governments increasingly believe themselves to be above the law. -- -- http://web.lemuria.org -- From mlc67 at columbia.edu Mon Oct 15 16:07:11 2001 From: mlc67 at columbia.edu (mike castleman) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:05 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <000501c155c2$6bbd29a0$0100a8c0@sharhan>; from ath@limm.mgimo.ru on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 08:10:20PM +0400 References: <01360744.20011014174800@elcomsoft.com> <20011015071917.B15385@lemuria.org> <000501c155c2$6bbd29a0$0100a8c0@sharhan> Message-ID: <20011015190711.I4293@pinetree.columbia.edu> On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 08:10:20PM +0400, Ilya V. Vasilyev wrote: > Hmm... But "conspiracy" is nothing more, than secret talks. > > Does this all means, that in US there isn't freedom to talk, even privately? > > If Mr.X and Mr.Y doesn't like the law Z and want to change it, > they must tell Big Brother (DoJ) about it, or it would be "conspiracy"? No, there is (in most instances) still freedom to talk privately in the US. To be charged with conspiracy, you must be planning something illegal. For example, if X and Y make plans to murder A, then X can be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, even if Y actually pulls the trigger. [Like almost everyone else, i'm not a lawyer. But i think i've got this right.] mike -- mike castleman, mlc67@columbia.edu, ph: +1 (646) 382-7220 current location: columbia university, new york, ny, us students for an orwellian society: http://www.studentsfororwell.org/ because 2001 is 17 years too late. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While we can currently talk freely in private or even in public about how to create a Molotov cocktail, DMCA style laws could make the actual understanding of the Molotov cocktail illegal. Once we have laws against Owellian thought crimes, then when X and Y discuss it, they are guilty of conspiring. And our much touted freedom of speech is truly dead, rather then floundering like a prize bass in the angler's net. Peace, Edmund A. Hintz **|** "You may say I'm a dreamer, Mac Techie, Unix Geek, * | * But I'm not the only one... Mac/Unix Consultant * /|\ * I hope someday you'll join us, */ | \* And the world will live as one. '78 Westy ***** Imagine." http://www.hintz.org From keith at indierecords.com Mon Oct 15 20:15:15 2001 From: keith at indierecords.com (Keith Handy) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:05 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF References: Message-ID: <3BCBA643.1165@indierecords.com> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 03:32:47 -0700 > From: Alex Katalov > Reply-To: Alex Katalov > Organization: ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. > To: free-sklyarov@zork.net > Subject: Re[4]: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF > > Dear Daniel, > > DR> Hmm, will Elcomsoft continue making programs that may be illegal in > DR> the US or not? (And just make sure not to visit there, of course) > > We never make any programs that are illegal in US (if somebody thinks, > that we did, this is his problem, but only court can decide this) and > we are not going to do such programs in future. All our programs are > absolutely legal an lawful!!! I think I've been following this list pretty consistently, and hadn't heard this said before. My understanding was that everyone here is challenging a new, existing (albeit bad), and yet untested American law which makes your product technically illegal here. I'm only subscribed to the digest, so forgive me if the discussion is already further along than this by now -- but if some of us aren't on the same page here, what are we missing? -Keith From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Mon Oct 15 23:32:14 2001 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:05 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Award made for JABS security Message-ID: <140781890.20011016103214@elcomsoft.com> Hello, http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2001/1008/web-jabs-10-12-01.asp > The Justice Department awarded a $4 million task order to Northrop > Grumman Corp. to help secure a nationwide system for identifying and > booking criminal suspects. > > The Joint Automated Booking System program is designed to > standardize arrest procedures, making sure that law enforcement > officials collect the same information every time they make an > arrest and providing the data necessary to maintain a national > offender database Sincerely yours, Vladimir ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. http://www.elcomsoft.com mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com From lblunk at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 00:12:10 2001 From: lblunk at yahoo.com (Larry Blunk) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:06 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] House Judiciary oversight hearing on "Intellectual Property Litigation" Message-ID: <20011016071210.19519.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> The US House Judiciary subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property is holding an oversight hearing regarding "Intellectual Property Litigation" on Oct. 18 at 10:00 AM. It's not clear whether DMCA cases such as Sklyarov/2600/Felten will be covered or not. There will be a live audio feed of the meeting. See http://www.house.gov/judiciary/schedule.htm for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From wiljan at pobox.com Tue Oct 16 22:02:27 2001 From: wiljan at pobox.com (Will Janoschka) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:06 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF Message-ID: <200110170516.AAA000.53@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:15:15 Keith Handy keith@indierecords.com said: > I think I've been following this list pretty consistently, and hadn't > heard this said before. My understanding was that everyone here is > challenging a new, existing (albeit bad), and yet untested American law > which makes your product technically illegal here. > I'm only subscribed to the digest, so forgive me if the discussion is > already further along than this by now -- but if some of us aren't on > the same page here, what are we missing? > > -Keith Hi Keith, This is not a anti-DMCA list. Although everyone here is against the DMCA, Seth Schoen has demanded that this list is to free Dmitry not to exploit him. When Dmitry is home in Russia then we can rage at the DMCA. Later we will bring rage to the congrescritters and the DoJ that have so insulted the people of the United States of America. -will- From david.haworth at altavista.net Tue Oct 16 23:03:57 2001 From: david.haworth at altavista.net (David Haworth) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:06 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <200110170516.AAA000.53@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net>; from wiljan@pobox.com on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:02:27PM -0600 References: <200110170516.AAA000.53@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> Message-ID: <20011017080357.A2742@3soft.de> On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:02:27PM -0600, Will Janoschka wrote: > Hi Keith, > This is not a anti-DMCA list. Although everyone here is against the DMCA, > Seth Schoen has demanded that this list is to free > Dmitry not to exploit him. When Dmitry is home in Russia then we can rage > at the DMCA. Later we will bring rage to the congrescritters and the DoJ > that have so insulted the people of the United States of America. General DMCA issues are being discussed on the dmca_discuss mailing list. http://lists.anti-dmca.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss Dave -- David Haworth Baiersdorf, Germany david.haworth@altavista.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 228 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011017/ec69623c/attachment.pgp From schoen at loyalty.org Tue Oct 16 23:39:18 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:06 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF In-Reply-To: <20011017080357.A2742@3soft.de> References: <200110170516.AAA000.53@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> <20011017080357.A2742@3soft.de> Message-ID: <20011016233918.F27704@zork.net> David Haworth writes: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:02:27PM -0600, Will Janoschka wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > This is not a anti-DMCA list. Although everyone here is against the DMCA, > > Seth Schoen has demanded that this list is to free > > Dmitry not to exploit him. When Dmitry is home in Russia then we can rage > > at the DMCA. Later we will bring rage to the congrescritters and the DoJ > > that have so insulted the people of the United States of America. > > General DMCA issues are being discussed on the dmca_discuss mailing list. > http://lists.anti-dmca.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss I would certainly encourage people to join other related lists and to try to post things where they are most on-topic. There's a dmca_discuss list and also a dvd-discuss list (for DeCSS/DMCA issues, especially for legal strategy discussion in the New York DeCSS case), and then cni-copyright and cyberia, and the Eldred v. Reno list for people who are interested in copyright term extensions. There are also several lists related to the freedom of cryptographic research and publication, as well as at least one list for discussions of first amendment protection for computer software. Soon there might be a list for free software and the law (not that AEBPR is free software, but many people are concerned about DMCA effects on free software, and have been forwarding related materials here). Oh, and there are several lists related to copyright policy, free speech, and DMCA-like legislative proposals in other countries around the world. If the subscribers of free-sklyarov could help me by finding other lists likely to be of interest to subscribers here, I would be glad to try to publicize all of these. Since we still have almost 1,000 members on our discussion and announcement list, it would be great to help interested people make new connections. Plus, I'd be thrilled if DMCA critics would spread out a bit into the wider civil liberties community. :-) By the way, I know that at least one free-sklyarov subscriber is not against the DMCA. People are certainly welcome to subscribe to this list even if they don't oppose the DMCA. A significant proportion of pro-Sklyarov sentiment comes from the idea that it was wrong to apply a U.S. law to a Russian programmer, rather than the sense that the DMCA itself is a bad policy. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From keith at indierecords.com Wed Oct 17 04:59:07 2001 From: keith at indierecords.com (Keith Handy) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:06 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF References: Message-ID: <3BCD728B.7CE7@indierecords.com> > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 01 23:02:27 CST > From: Will Janoschka > To: free-sklyarov@zork.net > Subject: [free-sklyarov] New stuff up on EFF > Hi Keith, > This is not a anti-DMCA list. Although everyone here is against the DMCA, > Seth Schoen has demanded that this list is to free > Dmitry not to exploit him. My former post wasn't meant to rage against the DMCA, it was to ask to clear up confusion about the software in question "not being illegal in the U.S.". If it must be answered off-list, please email me. -Keith From wiljan at pobox.com Wed Oct 17 06:58:03 2001 From: wiljan at pobox.com (Will Janoschka) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:06 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: New stuff up on EFF Message-ID: <200110171314.IAA000.55@cressida.nereid.ar-digit.net> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:59:07 Keith Handy keith@indierecords.com said: > My former post wasn't meant to rage against the DMCA, it was to ask to > clear up confusion about the software in question "not being illegal in > the U.S.". If it must be answered off-list, please email me. > -Keith I appears that Elcomsoft strongly feels that the software is legal under Title 17 because it has uses other than the dreaded "circumvention". The charges are against the "rights management" portion of the DMCA. -will- From kmself at ix.netcom.com Wed Oct 17 18:45:13 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:06 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe lied Message-ID: <20011017184512.E15005@navel.introspect> The question is, about what. Dan Gillmor, of the San Jose Mercury News, today in his blog: http://web.siliconvalley.com/content/sv/opinion/dgillmor/weblog/ http://web.siliconvalley.com/content/sv/2001/10/17/opinion/dgillmor/weblog/index.htm#truth Truth and Adobe [Permanent link to this item] Another speaker at the Agenda conference was Bruce Chizen, president and chief executive at Adobe Systems. Because what he said to the assembled executives was also off the record, I can't tell you the specifics. But I will tell you that he flagrantly misled the audience on something important to at least some of the people there. When the CEO does that, he diminishes his company. Is anyone familiar with the substance of the comments and/or whether they concerned the company's stance toward Dmitry? Peace. -- Karsten M. 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Send mail to: Cyberia-L-Request@listserv.aol.com ********************************************************************** From tompoe at renonevada.net Wed Oct 17 20:56:35 2001 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe lied In-Reply-To: <20011017184512.E15005@navel.introspect> References: <20011017184512.E15005@navel.introspect> Message-ID: <01101720563500.29855@aether> On Wednesday 17 October 2001 18:45, Karsten M. Self wrote: - - -snip - - - > But I will tell you that he flagrantly misled the audience on > something important to at least some of the people there. When the > CEO does that, he diminishes his company. > > Is anyone familiar with the substance of the comments and/or whether > they concerned the company's stance toward Dmitry? > > Peace. Hello: We would expect nothing less of our CEO's, now, would we? If the audience was not alert enough to recognize the lie, nor interested in calling him out when he did so, then the audience is as guilty of supporting the lie as he was in stating it. If it was case-breaking in nature, Dmitry's attorney will certainly get to it, and this I believe to be truthful. We can thank Dan for alerting everyone, and you, Karsten for passing this along. The case transcripts should make for some really interesting reading, and with stuff like this coming out, should make Dmitry's stay somewhat shorter, eh? Tom From seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org Thu Oct 18 21:40:31 2001 From: seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 Message-ID: <3BCFAEBF.1600A4F8@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> (Forwarded from New Yorkers for Fair Use list, fairuse@mrbrklyn.com) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:25:15 -0400 From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO On 2001.10.18 20:53:34 -0400 Karsten M. Self wrote: Mark Lewis of Webnoize reports that hearings on the SSSCA ("Security Systems Standards and Certification Act") are scheduled for October 25. Public and fair-use interests not invited. Background: The SSSCA is legislation authored by Senators Hollings (D-SC) and Stevens (R-AK) that would mandate copy prevention controls on every piece of electronic hardware, and every computer program, with no exceptions. It was first publicized in early September. Sponsorship appears to come from Disney corporation. The law would make illegal a broad range of hardware, and would effectively render the burgeoning free software movement a criminal movement. The focus on digital television, and language in the statute on "time shifting", also appears to ban such pedestrian activities as recording programs for repeated playing from TV broadcasts. This language has *not been revised*, according to http://news.webnoize.com/item.rs?ID=14477 Hollings Sets Hearing on Copy Control, Explains Need for New Law Executives from Walt Disney, News Corp. and Thomson Multimedia will testify next week on Capitol Hill on the need for a proposed bill that ensures that computers and digital devices prevent individuals from making unauthorized copies of media, whether the content is copyrighted or not. Scheduled for October 25, the Senate Commerce Committee hearing will provide the first congressional forum to probe Disney's and News Corp.'s support for an unintroduced draft bill that would require all hardware manufacturers, networking companies and web sites to use security technologies approved by the federal government. Commerce Committee Chairman Sen. Ernest Hollings (D-SC) drafted the bill, called the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act, at the urging of Disney and News Corp., which have sought new legal guarantees for the protection of digital movies and digital TV broadcasts. A Senate source said it hasn't been determined whether the bill will be introduced in the remaining weeks of this congressional session. The bill's draft language, first reported by Webnoize, hasn't been revised [see 09.7.01 Hollings' Draft Bill Presents Radical Changes to Hardware and Copyright Law, Document Shows]. ... Some computer and electronics attorneys believe their industries might eventually agree to a bill that only establishes copy-control for digital video and requires technology to prevent consumers from distributing digital TV files through the Internet. Closing that loophole is a problem because digital TV is broadcast without any encryption. Some industry attorneys believe that a law is needed to force manufacturers to build sets and recorders that use encryption, because a licensing system to require encryption could run afoul of antitrust law. ... Hollings' letter, which was also sent to lobbying groups the Business Software Alliance and the Consumer Electronics Association, chastised the organizations for offering their leaders to testify at the October 25 hearing, but not senior executives from member companies. Members include 3Com, Apple, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Sony Electronics and hundreds of others. ... Disney and News Corp. secured witness spots for their top executives -- Disney Chairman and CEO Michael Eisner and News Corp. Chief Operating Officer Peter Chernin. Other conglomerates' studios, notably Sony Corp.'s Sony Pictures and AOL Time Warner's Warner Bros., haven't chimed in to support the bill, having already agreed to use encryption co-developed by Matsushita, Sony, Hitachi, Intel and Toshiba for movies delivered over cable and satellite systems. Thomson, the French electronics giant, snagged a witness spot for Jim Meyer, the firm's highest-ranking American and a special advisor to Thomson's chairman. Eager to accelerate its digital TV business and protect its MP3 audio business, Thomson is taking a careful political position on the issue. ... Non-profit public interest groups haven't been invited to the hearing, which has motivated them to take action. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is drafting a letter to Hollings asking that the EFF, librarians or consumer groups be included, according to Fred von Lohmann, senior intellectual property attorney for the EFF. Branding the bill "DMCA 2," after the highly controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the EFF states on its web site that Hollings' bill would eliminate the "preservation or protection of fair use, first sale, the public domain, or any of the other rights reserved for the public by copyright law." "We're also talking to other interested parties, including the Consumer Electronics Association, the Home Recording Rights Coalition, and ACM [Association for Computing Machinery], as well as several technology companies, about the possibility of building a broad coalition to oppose the bill," emailed von Lohmann. The hearing is called "Promoting Broadband: Securing Content and Accelerating the Transition to Digital Television." At press time, the hearing had not been postponed due to a clean-up project to remove anthrax bacteria sent to the office of Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), the Democratic majority leader. For additional background, see: Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (Full Text) http://cryptome.org/sssca.htm Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (Analysis) http://www.politechbot.com/docs/hollings.090701.html EFF Alert: Defeat SSSCA: http://www.eff.org/alerts/20010921_eff_sssca_alert.html USACM letter to Sen. Hollings criticizing draft SSSCA bill http://www.politechbot.com/p-02591.html http://www.acm.org/usacm/SSSCA-letter.html Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA http://www.politechbot.com/p-02483.html Anti-SSSCA petition asks Congress not to pass draft bill http://www.politechbot.com/p-02488.html Hollywood lobbyists laud SSSCA as "exceedingly reasonable" bill http://www.politechbot.com/p-02499.html -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- ____________________________ New Yorker Linux Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... From tompoe at renonevada.net Fri Oct 19 08:37:01 2001 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01101908370100.24288@aether> On Friday 19 October 2001 05:31, Simon Drabble wrote: > Since Disney seem to be the major proponent of this bill (how I regret > sending my family on vacation there now :( ), does anyone have a plan for a > Disney boycott? Perhaps if we can convince them it's not in their interests > to continue to sponsor this bill, it might get quietly dropped. > > I propose a three month boycott of all Disney products, beginning the day > of the hearing (Oct 25th) and lasting until January 25th. This should hurt > them significantly (if enough people are involved) since they will miss out > on all Christmas sales etc. Hi: This would be a tough one. Is there a successful model for Boycotts? Is there a classic "HOWTO" and if not, why not? Maybe, if one could be found, it could be shifted into a working document that could be disseminated. Just a thought, Tom From krburger at burger-family.org Fri Oct 19 09:58:16 2001 From: krburger at burger-family.org (Kenneth Burger) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 References: <3BCFAEBF.1600A4F8@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <000901c158bf$3f5c83b0$9865fea9@BALTHAZAR> Oh, I swear, if this goes through I am leaving the US for another country. This is totally unacceptable and gives sweeping power to large businesses and the federal government. Something which the constitution was designed to prevent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Johnson" To: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: [free-sklyarov] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 > > (Forwarded from New Yorkers for Fair Use list, fairuse@mrbrklyn.com) > > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:25:15 -0400 > From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO > > > On 2001.10.18 20:53:34 -0400 Karsten M. Self wrote: > > Mark Lewis of Webnoize reports that hearings on the SSSCA ("Security > Systems Standards and Certification Act") are scheduled for October 25. > Public and fair-use interests not invited. > > Background: > > The SSSCA is legislation authored by Senators Hollings (D-SC) and > Stevens (R-AK) that would mandate copy prevention controls on every > piece of electronic hardware, and every computer program, with no > exceptions. It was first publicized in early September. Sponsorship > appears to come from Disney corporation. > > The law would make illegal a broad range of hardware, and would > effectively render the burgeoning free software movement a criminal > movement. The focus on digital television, and language in the statute > on "time shifting", also appears to ban such pedestrian activities as > recording programs for repeated playing from TV broadcasts. > > This language has *not been revised*, according to > > > http://news.webnoize.com/item.rs?ID=14477 > Hollings Sets Hearing on Copy Control, Explains Need for New Law > > Executives from Walt Disney, News Corp. and Thomson Multimedia will > testify next week on Capitol Hill on the need for a proposed bill that > ensures that computers and digital devices prevent individuals from > making unauthorized copies of media, whether the content is copyrighted > or not. > > Scheduled for October 25, the Senate Commerce Committee hearing will > provide the first congressional forum to probe Disney's and News Corp.'s > support for an unintroduced draft bill that would require all hardware > manufacturers, networking companies and web sites to use security > technologies approved by the federal government. > > Commerce Committee Chairman Sen. Ernest Hollings (D-SC) drafted the > bill, called the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act, at > the urging of Disney and News Corp., which have sought new legal > guarantees for the protection of digital movies and digital TV > broadcasts. A Senate source said it hasn't been determined whether the > bill will be introduced in the remaining weeks of this congressional > session. The bill's draft language, first reported by Webnoize, hasn't > been revised [see 09.7.01 Hollings' Draft Bill Presents Radical Changes > to Hardware and Copyright Law, Document Shows]. > > ... > > Some computer and electronics attorneys believe their industries might > eventually agree to a bill that only establishes copy-control for > digital video and requires technology to prevent consumers from > distributing digital TV files through the Internet. > > Closing that loophole is a problem because digital TV is broadcast > without any encryption. Some industry attorneys believe that a law is > needed to force manufacturers to build sets and recorders that use > encryption, because a licensing system to require encryption could run > afoul of antitrust law. > > ... > > Hollings' letter, which was also sent to lobbying groups the Business > Software Alliance and the Consumer Electronics Association, chastised > the organizations for offering their leaders to testify at the October > 25 hearing, but not senior executives from member companies. Members > include 3Com, Apple, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Sony Electronics and > hundreds of others. > > ... > > Disney and News Corp. secured witness spots for their top executives -- > Disney Chairman and CEO Michael Eisner and News Corp. Chief Operating > Officer Peter Chernin. Other conglomerates' studios, notably Sony > Corp.'s Sony Pictures and AOL Time Warner's Warner Bros., haven't chimed > in to support the bill, having already agreed to use encryption > co-developed by Matsushita, Sony, Hitachi, Intel and Toshiba for movies > delivered over cable and satellite systems. > > Thomson, the French electronics giant, snagged a witness spot for Jim > Meyer, the firm's highest-ranking American and a special advisor to > Thomson's chairman. Eager to accelerate its digital TV business and > protect its MP3 audio business, Thomson is taking a careful political > position on the issue. > > ... > > Non-profit public interest groups haven't been invited to the hearing, > which has motivated them to take action. The Electronic Frontier > Foundation (EFF) is drafting a letter to Hollings asking that the EFF, > librarians or consumer groups be included, according to Fred von > Lohmann, senior intellectual property attorney for the EFF. > > Branding the bill "DMCA 2," after the highly controversial Digital > Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the EFF states on its web site that > Hollings' bill would eliminate the "preservation or protection of fair > use, first sale, the public domain, or any of the other rights reserved > for the public by copyright law." > > "We're also talking to other interested parties, including the Consumer > Electronics Association, the Home Recording Rights Coalition, and ACM > [Association for Computing Machinery], as well as several technology > companies, about the possibility of building a broad coalition to oppose > the bill," emailed von Lohmann. > > The hearing is called "Promoting Broadband: Securing Content and > Accelerating the Transition to Digital Television." At press time, the > hearing had not been postponed due to a clean-up project to remove > anthrax bacteria sent to the office of Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), the > Democratic majority leader. > > > For additional background, see: > > Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (Full Text) > http://cryptome.org/sssca.htm > > Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (Analysis) > http://www.politechbot.com/docs/hollings.090701.html > > EFF Alert: Defeat SSSCA: > http://www.eff.org/alerts/20010921_eff_sssca_alert.html > > USACM letter to Sen. Hollings criticizing draft SSSCA bill > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02591.html > http://www.acm.org/usacm/SSSCA-letter.html > > Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02483.html > > Anti-SSSCA petition asks Congress not to pass draft bill > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02488.html > > Hollywood lobbyists laud SSSCA as "exceedingly reasonable" bill > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02499.html > > -- > Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free > Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org > Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html > -- > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > http://www.brooklynonline.com > http://www.nylxs.com > http://www.nyfairuse.org > > 1-718-382-5752 > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 > For Jim --- > ____________________________ > New Yorker Linux Users Scene > Fair Use - > because it's either fair use or useless.... > > > _______________________________________________ > free-sklyarov mailing list > free-sklyarov@zork.net > http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov > From tom at lemuria.org Fri Oct 19 10:48:17 2001 From: tom at lemuria.org (Tom) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <01101908370100.24288@aether>; from tompoe@renonevada.net on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:37:01AM -0700 References: <01101908370100.24288@aether> Message-ID: <20011019194816.A25358@lemuria.org> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:37:01AM -0700, tom poe wrote: > > I propose a three month boycott of all Disney products, beginning the day > > of the hearing (Oct 25th) and lasting until January 25th. This should hurt > > them significantly (if enough people are involved) since they will miss out > > on all Christmas sales etc. what you need to do to cause them a panic attack is reach the general public. a few well-placed TV ads will do. check which stations are owned by disney first and don't bother with them. not only would they (obviously) not run it, they might also alarm their higher-ups who could then start calling in favour from the other stations. that takes some bucks, but not as much as many people think. unless you want to be on at primetime or during superbowl, of course. -- -- http://web.lemuria.org -- From tom at lemuria.org Fri Oct 19 10:59:08 2001 From: tom at lemuria.org (Tom) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: ; from simon@eskimo.com on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:04:23PM -0400 References: <20011019194816.A25358@lemuria.org> Message-ID: <20011019195908.D25358@lemuria.org> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:04:23PM -0400, Simon Drabble wrote: > Anyone know how much a non-superbowl-timed ad would cost on either a network > or cable station? I'd guess that cable would be cheaper? someone who owns a company (no matter how small) should call up a few stations and ask. act like an businessman, don't mention the content. you want to place an add and want to know the rates. ask for the rate list. in print. there's some more hints on this at www.adbusters.com -- -- http://web.lemuria.org -- From jono at microshaft.org Fri Oct 19 11:29:38 2001 From: jono at microshaft.org (Jon O .) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <3BCFAEBF.1600A4F8@RealMeasures.dyndns.org>; from seth.johnson@realmeasures.dyndns.org on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 12:40:31AM -0400 References: <3BCFAEBF.1600A4F8@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011019112938.H41561@networkcommand.com> NewsForge: SSCA gets a hearing Oct. 25 -- can it be stopped? http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/19/1546246&mode=thread ... Eben Moglen, chief counsel for the Free Software Foundation, is succinct: "SSSCA is a deliberate attempt to destroy free software." ... Simons and Spafford list some of their objections to the legislation: Colleges, universities and trade schools throughout the United States would no longer be able to teach advanced computer science and computer engineering. The acts of writing basic operating system software or assembling simple computer systems in classes or as assignments would be against the proposed law. Research in computer security and protection would be further curtailed, as any such research would be required to be done on (and not interfere with) whatever technology is imposed by this law. However, malicious actors do not need to be so concerned. This has significant national security implications. Researchers and hobbyists seeking new uses for innovative technology might well find their experimentation and prototypes to be criminal under this law. Devices as disparate as electronic cameras, wrist watches, electric pianos, televisions, ATM machines, cell phones, home security systems, and medical equipment (among many examples) all process and display information electronically. Under the proposed legislation, all would be required to support anti-copying protocols. In most such cases, this is absurd and will raise costs unnecessarily. ... http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/19/1546246&mode=thread On 19-Oct-2001, Seth Johnson wrote: > > (Forwarded from New Yorkers for Fair Use list, fairuse@mrbrklyn.com) > > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:25:15 -0400 > From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO > > > On 2001.10.18 20:53:34 -0400 Karsten M. Self wrote: > > Mark Lewis of Webnoize reports that hearings on the SSSCA ("Security > Systems Standards and Certification Act") are scheduled for October 25. > Public and fair-use interests not invited. > > Background: > > The SSSCA is legislation authored by Senators Hollings (D-SC) and > Stevens (R-AK) that would mandate copy prevention controls on every > piece of electronic hardware, and every computer program, with no > exceptions. It was first publicized in early September. Sponsorship > appears to come from Disney corporation. > > The law would make illegal a broad range of hardware, and would > effectively render the burgeoning free software movement a criminal > movement. The focus on digital television, and language in the statute > on "time shifting", also appears to ban such pedestrian activities as > recording programs for repeated playing from TV broadcasts. > > This language has *not been revised*, according to > > > http://news.webnoize.com/item.rs?ID=14477 > Hollings Sets Hearing on Copy Control, Explains Need for New Law > > Executives from Walt Disney, News Corp. and Thomson Multimedia will > testify next week on Capitol Hill on the need for a proposed bill that > ensures that computers and digital devices prevent individuals from > making unauthorized copies of media, whether the content is copyrighted > or not. > > Scheduled for October 25, the Senate Commerce Committee hearing will > provide the first congressional forum to probe Disney's and News Corp.'s > support for an unintroduced draft bill that would require all hardware > manufacturers, networking companies and web sites to use security > technologies approved by the federal government. > > Commerce Committee Chairman Sen. Ernest Hollings (D-SC) drafted the > bill, called the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act, at > the urging of Disney and News Corp., which have sought new legal > guarantees for the protection of digital movies and digital TV > broadcasts. A Senate source said it hasn't been determined whether the > bill will be introduced in the remaining weeks of this congressional > session. The bill's draft language, first reported by Webnoize, hasn't > been revised [see 09.7.01 Hollings' Draft Bill Presents Radical Changes > to Hardware and Copyright Law, Document Shows]. > > ... > > Some computer and electronics attorneys believe their industries might > eventually agree to a bill that only establishes copy-control for > digital video and requires technology to prevent consumers from > distributing digital TV files through the Internet. > > Closing that loophole is a problem because digital TV is broadcast > without any encryption. Some industry attorneys believe that a law is > needed to force manufacturers to build sets and recorders that use > encryption, because a licensing system to require encryption could run > afoul of antitrust law. > > ... > > Hollings' letter, which was also sent to lobbying groups the Business > Software Alliance and the Consumer Electronics Association, chastised > the organizations for offering their leaders to testify at the October > 25 hearing, but not senior executives from member companies. Members > include 3Com, Apple, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Sony Electronics and > hundreds of others. > > ... > > Disney and News Corp. secured witness spots for their top executives -- > Disney Chairman and CEO Michael Eisner and News Corp. Chief Operating > Officer Peter Chernin. Other conglomerates' studios, notably Sony > Corp.'s Sony Pictures and AOL Time Warner's Warner Bros., haven't chimed > in to support the bill, having already agreed to use encryption > co-developed by Matsushita, Sony, Hitachi, Intel and Toshiba for movies > delivered over cable and satellite systems. > > Thomson, the French electronics giant, snagged a witness spot for Jim > Meyer, the firm's highest-ranking American and a special advisor to > Thomson's chairman. Eager to accelerate its digital TV business and > protect its MP3 audio business, Thomson is taking a careful political > position on the issue. > > ... > > Non-profit public interest groups haven't been invited to the hearing, > which has motivated them to take action. The Electronic Frontier > Foundation (EFF) is drafting a letter to Hollings asking that the EFF, > librarians or consumer groups be included, according to Fred von > Lohmann, senior intellectual property attorney for the EFF. > > Branding the bill "DMCA 2," after the highly controversial Digital > Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the EFF states on its web site that > Hollings' bill would eliminate the "preservation or protection of fair > use, first sale, the public domain, or any of the other rights reserved > for the public by copyright law." > > "We're also talking to other interested parties, including the Consumer > Electronics Association, the Home Recording Rights Coalition, and ACM > [Association for Computing Machinery], as well as several technology > companies, about the possibility of building a broad coalition to oppose > the bill," emailed von Lohmann. > > The hearing is called "Promoting Broadband: Securing Content and > Accelerating the Transition to Digital Television." At press time, the > hearing had not been postponed due to a clean-up project to remove > anthrax bacteria sent to the office of Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), the > Democratic majority leader. > > > For additional background, see: > > Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (Full Text) > http://cryptome.org/sssca.htm > > Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (Analysis) > http://www.politechbot.com/docs/hollings.090701.html > > EFF Alert: Defeat SSSCA: > http://www.eff.org/alerts/20010921_eff_sssca_alert.html > > USACM letter to Sen. Hollings criticizing draft SSSCA bill > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02591.html > http://www.acm.org/usacm/SSSCA-letter.html > > Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02483.html > > Anti-SSSCA petition asks Congress not to pass draft bill > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02488.html > > Hollywood lobbyists laud SSSCA as "exceedingly reasonable" bill > http://www.politechbot.com/p-02499.html > > -- > Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free > Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org > Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html > -- > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > http://www.brooklynonline.com > http://www.nylxs.com > http://www.nyfairuse.org > > 1-718-382-5752 > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 > For Jim --- > ____________________________ > New Yorker Linux Users Scene > Fair Use - > because it's either fair use or useless.... > > _______________________________________________ > > > ------------------------ > http://www.anti-dmca.org > ------------------------ > > DMCA_discuss mailing list > DMCA_discuss@lists.microshaft.org > http://lists.microshaft.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss From rms at privacyfoundation.org Fri Oct 19 12:16:13 2001 From: rms at privacyfoundation.org (Richard M. Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:07 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] DMCA Protester Cracks Microsoft's Copyright Protection Code Message-ID: <000f01c158d2$84d7dbc0$860ac580@bu.edu> From bsparks at interlog.com Fri Oct 19 13:41:16 2001 From: bsparks at interlog.com (B&B) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] unsubscribe Message-ID: <003f01c158de$6722c340$dc55149a@jsparks> ?????, ??????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????! ???? ?????????, ???? ???????? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? ?? ????????.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011019/b966cb83/attachment.html From crism at maden.org Fri Oct 19 14:16:53 2001 From: crism at maden.org (Christopher R. Maden) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <20011019194816.A25358@lemuria.org> References: <01101908370100.24288@aether> <01101908370100.24288@aether> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org> At 10:48 19-10-2001, Tom wrote: >On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:37:01AM -0700, tom poe wrote: > > > I propose a three month boycott of all Disney products, beginning the day > > > of the hearing (Oct 25th) and lasting until January 25th. This should > hurt > > > them significantly (if enough people are involved) since they will > miss out > > > on all Christmas sales etc. Good luck. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting Disney for years over their same-sex partner benefits and general friendliness towards queers. There are a lot more of them than there are angry nerds, and Disney hasn't even flinched. If you do go about this, remember that it means no ESPN or ABC, and that you tell the advertisers so, and why. And no Mighty Ducks games, either. -crism Oh, and BTW, since I'm posting anyway - Free Sklyarov activists have declared candidacies for next year, myself for State Assembly, which doesn't affect things much, and Ira Victor Spivack for Congress from the California 8th Congressional District. -- Libertarian candidate, California State Assembly, District 13 Free Sklyarov: Freelance text nerd: PGP Fingerprint: BBA6 4085 DED0 E176 D6D4 5DFC AC52 F825 AFEC 58DA From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sat Oct 20 17:30:22 2001 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org>; from crism@maden.org on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 17:16:53 -0400 References: <01101908370100.24288@aether> <01101908370100.24288@aether> <20011019194816.A25358@lemuria.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org> Message-ID: <20011020203022.A13287@www2.mrbrklyn.com> They did flinch for China Anyway: Let's organizae a Protest at Hollises Office in DC.... A real noisey one. Ruben <> -- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com http://www.brooklynonline.com http://www.nylxs.com http://www.nyfairuse.org 1-718-382-5752 http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/brooklyn_national_antheum.mp3 For Jim --- From kmself at ix.netcom.com Sat Oct 20 18:53:33 2001 From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org>; from crism@maden.org on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:16:53PM -0700 References: <01101908370100.24288@aether> <01101908370100.24288@aether> <20011019194816.A25358@lemuria.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org> Message-ID: <20011020185333.A7776@navel.introspect> on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:16:53PM -0700, Christopher R. Maden (crism@maden.org) wrote: > At 10:48 19-10-2001, Tom wrote: > >On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:37:01AM -0700, tom poe wrote: > > > > I propose a three month boycott of all Disney products, beginning the day > > > > of the hearing (Oct 25th) and lasting until January 25th. This should > > hurt > > > > them significantly (if enough people are involved) since they will > > miss out > > > > on all Christmas sales etc. > > Good luck. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting Disney for > years over their same-sex partner benefits and general friendliness > towards queers. There are a lot more of them than there are angry > nerds, and Disney hasn't even flinched. Our constituency extends to anyone with a tape deck, VCR, or CD-R. Heat notwithstanding, there's a lot of folks who more or less don't care what people do in their own bedrooms. The Baptists are trying to pit people against people. That only goes so far, particularly once you're outside the choir. > If you do go about this, remember that it means no ESPN or ABC, and > that you tell the advertisers so, and why. And no Mighty Ducks games, > either. ESPN is a good point. SSCA 103(b)'s "time shifting" provision read narrowly means you can kiss goodbye the idea of taping a game to watch The Play again and again, or that Olympic moment, or possibly your son's school being profiled for three minutes on the Six O'Clock News. Jeff Gerhardt of The Linux Show is calling for a Disney boycott. While the actions he calls for are good, I'd like to see a streetfront movement. Disney stores are located in high-profile areas around the US: Times Square in New York, Michigan Avenue in Chicago, Union Square in San Francisco, and many other locations. A large listing is available online: http://www.hiddenmickeys.org/Stores/storelocations.html As this is likely to be a slow retail season at best, additional pressure on Disney (or other retail locations associated with copyright subversion practices: Virgin superstores, Tower Records, Sam Goody's, the Warehouse) will have a negative impact on already weak sales. Many of us have a bit of spare time on our hands. I'd be more than happy to spend a few weekends on Union Square in SF. What we're missing at the moment are materials, particularly flyer templates. I'm looking for materials and suggestions for same, as well as layout help possibly. Reproduction can of course be distributed. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011020/a26678b8/attachment.pgp From tompoe at renonevada.net Sat Oct 20 13:16:16 2001 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <20011020185333.A7776@navel.introspect> References: <01101908370100.24288@aether> <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org> <20011020185333.A7776@navel.introspect> Message-ID: <01102013161600.01286@aether> On Saturday 20 October 2001 18:53, Karsten M. Self wrote: - - -snip - - - > What we're missing at the moment are materials, particularly flyer > templates. I'm looking for materials and suggestions for same, as well > as layout help possibly. Reproduction can of course be distributed. > > Peace. Hi: I suggest content first, then layout, then materials. One flyer might say: SSSCA Say Say Say NO !!! or: SSSCA MEANS They Control Your Computer, You Don't ! Just a thought, Tom From ilya at theIlya.com Sun Oct 21 01:15:11 2001 From: ilya at theIlya.com (Ilya Volynets) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <20011020185333.A7776@navel.introspect> References: <01101908370100.24288@aether> <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org> <20011020185333.A7776@navel.introspect> Message-ID: <20011021081515.5860.qmail@gateway.total-knowledge.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Jeff Gerhardt of The Linux Show is calling for a Disney boycott. While > the actions he calls for are good, I'd like to see a streetfront > movement. Disney stores are located in high-profile areas around the > US: Times Square in New York, Michigan Avenue in Chicago, Union Square > in San Francisco, and many other locations. A large listing is > available online: > > http://www.hiddenmickeys.org/Stores/storelocations.html > I would participate on Sundays in San Francisco. Ilya. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvShBIACgkQtKh84cA8u2mZ7ACfZZHnIimjhuCzrGbRTdfbu8Gm 4RQAn3dM+Lp4QPYH56OBQCrGVkd7/rj8 =Juff -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bostlu at btc.tec.wa.us Wed Oct 24 10:55:32 2001 From: bostlu at btc.tec.wa.us (Dudley (Buzz) Ostlund) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Looking for current Info Message-ID: <000a01c15cb5$1398c6e0$18031aac@BOSTLU> I am a tec school student given the topic of "Free Dimitry" to investigate. I joined this list to interact with any current list member for this project. I have read about events up to Dimitry's release on bail, but I don't seemto find any other current information sites, any site recomendations to see? Thanks for info or feed back! B.O. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20011024/48e80de8/attachment.html From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Oct 24 11:12:20 2001 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Looking for current Info In-Reply-To: <000a01c15cb5$1398c6e0$18031aac@BOSTLU> References: <000a01c15cb5$1398c6e0$18031aac@BOSTLU> Message-ID: <20011024111220.G9020@zork.net> Dudley (Buzz) Ostlund writes: > I am a tec school student given the topic of "Free Dimitry" to investigate. I joined this list to interact with any current list member for this project. I have read about events up to Dimitry's release on bail, but I don't seemto find any other current information sites, any site recomendations to see? > Thanks for info or feed back! B.O. There's been very little news because people have been waiting around for a court hearing. http://www.freesklyarov.org/ http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/ Dmitry Sklyarov is now represented by John Keker, and Elcomsoft is represented by Joseph Burton. The folks out in New York are holding weekly protests, but the rest of the U.S. and the world seems pretty quiet, perhaps until the next hearing on November 26. -- Seth David Schoen | Its really terrible when FBI arrested Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | hacker, who visited USA with peacefull down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | mission -- to share his knowledge with http://www.freesklyarov.org/ | american nation. (Ilya V. Vasilyev) From crism at maden.org Wed Oct 24 16:19:49 2001 From: crism at maden.org (Christopher R. Maden) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Talking to strangers Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024161726.00a81160@mail.maden.org> As I've noted before, every tote bag or knapsack I own has an Adobe logo, because I'm in publishing and get them all at trade shows. So I took my tote bag of choice (from XML'99) and X'd out the Adobe logo in blue paint for the first Adobe protest. Yesterday, while getting on the train, a neighbor I'd never met before asked why I didn't like Adobe. I explained... and he agreed that the whole situation was terrible. He did wonder why he hadn't heard more about it (maybe he was on vacation in July). Small victories, but still. -crism -- Libertarian candidate, California State Assembly, District 13 Free Sklyarov: Freelance text nerd: PGP Fingerprint: BBA6 4085 DED0 E176 D6D4 5DFC AC52 F825 AFEC 58DA From crawford at goingware.com Fri Oct 26 17:36:17 2001 From: crawford at goingware.com (Michael D. Crawford) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Protect Your Rights with Encryption Message-ID: <3BDA0181.B52D6D1B@goingware.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friends, Today the President signed into law the new antiterrorism bill, a sweeping assault on the civil liberties of every citizen. It is also a sweeping assault on the rights of innocent immigrants, allowing the government to hold immigrants in jail without charge, a clearly unconstitutional provision. Now, more than ever, it is important for you to learn to use encryption software. I recommend the international version of PGP, which you can obtain for free from: http://www.pgpi.org/ You can rest assured that the government's internet wiretapping systems will sweep up legitimate communications from completely innocent people. Written a love letter lately? Do you want the FBI reading it? Hope it wasn't steamy. We also have a tremendous need to be concerned about espionage against those who are working for legitimate political change. Quite aside from terrorism, there are people running for publicly elected office who have reason to fear. Who's ever heard of that? you ask. Well, consider for a moment that a dark, antiamerican group with the name "the Democratic Party" was working for political change in the Watergate Hotel when Nixon's plumbers broke in to tap their phones. For more information about why you should use encryption, how to use it, why encryption is important to all of us, and where to find quality encryption software, please read my article "Why You Should Use Encryption" at: http://www.goingware.com/encryption/ Note that this message is digitally signed to ensure that it was authentically written by myself. Once you have PGP, you can use its key management facility to retrieve my public key from a keyserver. Look for key ID F7605786. I have that key ID printed on my business card to encourage others to send me encrypted mail. Now we must all work together to see that this law is fought in the courts, and to vote out of office those elected officials who voted for it. Please forward this message to anyone who may benefit from it. Thank you Michael D. Crawford GoingWare Inc. - Expert Software Development and Consulting http://www.goingware.com crawford@goingware.com Tilting at Windmills for a Better Tomorrow. "I give you this one rule of conduct. Do what you will, but speak out always. Be shunned, be hated, be ridiculed, be scared, be in doubt, but don't be gagged." -- John J. Chapman, "Make a Bonfire of Your Reputations" http://www.goingware.com/reputation/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.3 iQA/AwUBO9n4UiDoDQv3YFeGEQKc4wCeJ0EEIM3kSrPrgGIZJCh5zT/X0HIAn0lL xOLDshyIKqbtgPVBd7t6bq8E =L1tO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From martinb at kemokid.com Sun Oct 28 00:26:44 2001 From: martinb at kemokid.com (Martin Baker) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] FIJA - fully informed juries Message-ID: I recently ran across this organization, FIJA, the Fully Informed Jury Association: http://www.fija.org/ See especially the Jurors' Handbook: A Citizens Guide to Jury Duty: http://www.fija.org/juror-handbook.htm They strive to educate Americans about their right when on a jury - their duty even - to consider the law as well as the facts of a case. I think this may have some bearing on the Sklyarov case, and any criminal prosecution of the DMCA, since one part of the defense may be that the law itself is unconstitutional or unjust. I would be an extremely happy camper to see Dmitry go free because a jury declared that the DMCA is unconstitutional. Two birds, one stone. Plus twelve more empowered and politicized people. We might want to distribute some of this material ourselves, especially at the courthouse before jury selection (assuming the case goes that far), invite FIJA representatives to speak at informational meetings, what have you. I submit this as food for your thought. Peace, Martin From crism at maden.org Sun Oct 28 00:28:28 2001 From: crism at maden.org (Christopher R. Maden) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] FIJA - fully informed juries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011028002705.00a535a0@mail.maden.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 00:26 28-10-2001, Martin Baker wrote: >We might want to distribute some of this material ourselves, especially at >the courthouse before jury selection (assuming the case goes that far), >invite FIJA representatives to speak at informational meetings, what have >you. I submit this as food for your thought. I'd love to see this - I'm a big FIJA fan - but many judges are opposed to FIJA and will have you arrested for jury tampering. So I'd be prepared to help with this, but anyone involved needs to understand that it may be an act of civil disobedience with the corresponding risks of arrest and imprisonment. - -crism - -- Libertarian candidate, California State Assembly, District 13 Free Sklyarov: Freelance text nerd: PGP Fingerprint: BBA6 4085 DED0 E176 D6D4 5DFC AC52 F825 AFEC 58DA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO9uznKxS+CWv7FjaEQIdzQCfQH9IrmnKHMA9M/c6wRH9WM4ZcyQAn06N 3wHSA1xxyKZ+wtN3aZo+Zkcc =D6/a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ath at limm.mgimo.ru Sun Oct 28 00:39:51 2001 From: ath at limm.mgimo.ru (Ilya V. Vasilyev) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 References: <3BCFAEBF.1600A4F8@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> <000901c158bf$3f5c83b0$9865fea9@BALTHAZAR> Message-ID: <00bd01c15f8f$95709530$0100a8c0@sharhan> Hi, Kenneth Burger! > Oh, I swear, if this goes through I am leaving the US for another country. And why not to make revolution in US? ;-) It is quite easy, and technology is well-known. We, Russians, already made one in our country in 1917, and teach the whole world a lesson or two. > This is totally unacceptable and gives sweeping power to large businesses > and the federal government. Something which the constitution was designed > to prevent. If politicians, business & government goes crazy, they definitely must be taught. Good Luck! Arvi the Hacker (AtH//UgF@hMoscow) From spider at sneakybastard.com Sun Oct 28 01:11:55 2001 From: spider at sneakybastard.com (Sonia =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ara=F1a?=) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA_discuss] Hollings Schedules SSSCA Hearings October 25 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org> References: <01101908370100.24288@aether> <01101908370100.24288@aether> <5.1.0.14.0.20011019141407.00a5fec0@mail.maden.org> Message-ID: >At 10:48 19-10-2001, Tom wrote: >>On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:37:01AM -0700, tom poe wrote: >> > > I propose a three month boycott of all Disney products, >>beginning the day >> > > of the hearing (Oct 25th) and lasting until January 25th. This >>should hurt >> > > them significantly (if enough people are involved) since they >>will miss out >> > > on all Christmas sales etc. > >Good luck. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting Disney for >years over their same-sex partner benefits and general friendliness >towards queers. There are a lot more of them than there are angry >nerds, and Disney hasn't even flinched. They haven't flinched because gay people and their supporters greatly outnumber the Southern Baptists. Also because a good lot of their work force would disappear if they started taking the Baptist view of homosexuality. If our boycott was big enough (ie, get a lot more than angry geeks to participate) they'd notice. But I don't know that we could educate that many people in so short a time. It took how many years for homosexuality to be moved from a crime and a mental illness to a political cause worth defending? Sonia From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Tue Oct 30 23:42:20 2001 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:08 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Digital Rights Defended Message-ID: <163156685.20011031104220@elcomsoft.com> http://www.printmediamag.com/doc/274050751354457.bsp > Schroeder explained, "AAP would never have predicted that publishers > would be among the first to test the DMCA in the U.S. Nevertheless, > that is what happened. This summer, Adobe came to us with > information that some Russians had hacked through the encryption > system being used to protect some of our members' e-books and that > the Russians were offering the hacking software for sale on a Web > site. This was our worst nightmare." She says Adobe was forced to > make great leaps, asking that content be removed from > advertisements. And though the request was successful, the situation > proved how fallible, or at least, how subjective digital rights > protection could be for--not only publishers--but also technology > providers. -- Sincerely yours, Vladimir Vladimir Katalov Managing Director ElcomSoft Co.Ltd. Member of Association of Shareware Professionals (ASP) Member of Russian Cryptology Association mailto:vkatalov@elcomsoft.com http://www.elcomsoft.com/adc.html (Advanced Disk Catalog) http://www.elcomsoft.com/art.html (Advanced Registry Tracer) http://www.elcomsoft.com/prs.html (Password Recovery Software) http://www.mailutilities.com (Email Management Software)