[free-sklyarov] Copyright Contradictions

[Jay Sulzberger]

On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, tompoe at renonevada.net wrote:

> Hi: Let's see what you folks think about the following:
> A web site that lists Users'Groups [all kinds, flavors, etc.]
> A web site that lists web sites [supporters]
> A web site that lists individuals [supporters]
>
> The name of the web site: The Linux Army

This is close to something I have been considering.  It is an important
thing to do.  We should have been at today's FCC meeting.

More than a simple alert system is needed.  Organization, planning,
discipline, and experience will help us.

Tom, I love your stuff and this idea. but I have one objection:

The name is wrong.  Not "Linux", and not even "GNU/Linux".  Perhaps not
even "Free Software".  Right now I do not have a name I like, but I often
use the phrase "owners and makers".  "stakeholders" is also a good word.
The Englobulators plots', if successful, will trammel us as "consumers", but
they will do worse to us as owners and makers: they will end our rights to
own and make and distribute our own stuff.

Also we need not allow any SPAM whatsoever.  We can quickly distribute
information to many centers without allowing SPAM.  We may not even need so
much bandwidth that many distribution points are required.  Perhaps a
mailing list with an archive which we allow to be mirrored, subject, of
course, to our strict license, and partly secured by standard cryptographic
means ;)

oo--JS.


>
> On this page, those who agree to the following are listed:
> 1] Agree to open their sites to SPAM and cross-posting messages for TAKE
> ACTION events
> 2] All messages with EFF will be posted for list members of Users'
> Groups, web sites and individuals [upon moderator approval]
> 3] All members of The Linux Army will set up a folder on their mail
> clients to receive all messages with EFF in the Subject Line, so as not
> to have an undue amount of cross-posting and SPAM messages in their Inboxes.
> 4] Now, whenever there are ACTIONS TO TAKE, the hundreds of thousands of
> members of The Linux Army are alerted, and can, in most cases, with just
> three clicks, "Do Their Duty".
>
> Slashdot is good for what it does, and The Linux Army, ugly as the SPAM
> aspect is, needs to be alerted to TAKE ACTION when needed. The only way
> to do that is to agree to a SPAM arrangement.
>
> There's a sample page at:
> http://www.studioforrecording.org/linuxarmy.html
>
> If the idea is viable, then the next step is to decide who best to host
> the site?
> Thanks,
> Tom Poe
> Open Studios
> Reno, NV
>
> Seth Johnson wrote:
> > Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> >
> >>        Well, what works? I must admit I've not had a
> >>great deal of success myself. Maybe there's nothing we
> >>can do. I don't claim to be an expert at such
> >>convincing. I'm only sharing empirical problems I've
> >>encountered from my own experiences in trying to
> >>convince skeptical people. If the world is divided into
> >>the unconvertable, and the choir singing
> >>they're-coming-to-take-us-away, that's disheartening.
> >
> >
> > Actually, organizing is best done by pitching to the choir.
> > The key is to show those who agree with you something in
> > motion, and thereby find the ones who are looking for
> > something real to be a part of.  That's how you recruit the
> > leaders and build a movement.  Organizers "call to emulate."
> >
> > It isn't about spin or consciousness-raising, which the
> > "preaching to the choir" line implies, whenever you hear it
> > brought against you.
> >
> > Seth Johnson
> >
>
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