[free-sklyarov] Copyright Contradictions

Thu Aug 8 22:13:44 PDT 2002

Hi: good question. This proposal is different in that the goal is to 
unify the TAKE ACTION aspects of discussion. For example, the EFF folks 
have a web page that says, TAKE ACTION. There are other sites that have 
a web page that says, TAKE ACTION. I take action, then I can't remember 
what action I took. I can't remember what page to go to to check.

What we need is organization, - - - - as Jay points out.

Now, when you post to your lists, that's the idea. Let's expand and be 
able to point to a wide range of lists, a wide variety of touch points, 
so that a big, significant action happens all at once.

I think Jay has a point about the SPAM. On the other hand, I don't think 
it serves much purpose if a singular message is posted on each list, and 
that's the end of it. I think the need to post and cross-post, and make 
sure people recognize something is happening is necessary.
Thanks,
Tom Poe
Open Studios
Reno, NV

proclus at gnu-darwin.org wrote:
> How about "Freedom Axis"?  I like the general idea to encompass groups
> who value free software, open standards, fair use, cryptography,
>  privacy, etc. Speaking for myself, I already forward important alerts
> to the lists that I administrate, about 300 subscribers, plus
> free-skyarov sometimes.  I don't consider it spam, because the
> subscribers have an expressed interest.  I'm sure that others are doing
> likewise.
> 
> How is this proposal different from what we are doing already?  EFF
> action alerts, Politech, etc?  How to do we avoid burnout and too much
> email?
> 
> Regards,
> proclus
> http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
> 
> On  9 Aug, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
> 
>>
>>On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, tompoe at renonevada.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi: Let's see what you folks think about the following:
>>>A web site that lists Users'Groups [all kinds, flavors, etc.]
>>>A web site that lists web sites [supporters]
>>>A web site that lists individuals [supporters]
>>>
>>>The name of the web site: The Linux Army
>>
>>This is close to something I have been considering.  It is an important
>>thing to do.  We should have been at today's FCC meeting.
>>
>>More than a simple alert system is needed.  Organization, planning,
>>discipline, and experience will help us.
>>
>>Tom, I love your stuff and this idea. but I have one objection:
>>
>>The name is wrong.  Not "Linux", and not even "GNU/Linux".  Perhaps not
>>even "Free Software".  Right now I do not have a name I like, but I often
>>use the phrase "owners and makers".  "stakeholders" is also a good word.
>>The Englobulators plots', if successful, will trammel us as "consumers", but
>>they will do worse to us as owners and makers: they will end our rights to
>>own and make and distribute our own stuff.
>>
>>Also we need not allow any SPAM whatsoever.  We can quickly distribute
>>information to many centers without allowing SPAM.  We may not even need so
>>much bandwidth that many distribution points are required.  Perhaps a
>>mailing list with an archive which we allow to be mirrored, subject, of
>>course, to our strict license, and partly secured by standard cryptographic
>>means ;)
>>
>>oo--JS.
>>
>>
>>
>>>On this page, those who agree to the following are listed:
>>>1] Agree to open their sites to SPAM and cross-posting messages for TAKE
>>>ACTION events
>>>2] All messages with EFF will be posted for list members of Users'
>>>Groups, web sites and individuals [upon moderator approval]
>>>3] All members of The Linux Army will set up a folder on their mail
>>>clients to receive all messages with EFF in the Subject Line, so as not
>>>to have an undue amount of cross-posting and SPAM messages in their Inboxes.
>>>4] Now, whenever there are ACTIONS TO TAKE, the hundreds of thousands of
>>>members of The Linux Army are alerted, and can, in most cases, with just
>>>three clicks, "Do Their Duty".
>>>
>>>Slashdot is good for what it does, and The Linux Army, ugly as the SPAM
>>>aspect is, needs to be alerted to TAKE ACTION when needed. The only way
>>>to do that is to agree to a SPAM arrangement.
>>>
>>>There's a sample page at:
>>>http://www.studioforrecording.org/linuxarmy.html
>>>
>>>If the idea is viable, then the next step is to decide who best to host
>>>the site?
>>>Thanks,
>>>Tom Poe
>>>Open Studios
>>>Reno, NV
>>>
>>>Seth Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Seth Finkelstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>       Well, what works? I must admit I've not had a
>>>>>great deal of success myself. Maybe there's nothing we
>>>>>can do. I don't claim to be an expert at such
>>>>>convincing. I'm only sharing empirical problems I've
>>>>>encountered from my own experiences in trying to
>>>>>convince skeptical people. If the world is divided into
>>>>>the unconvertable, and the choir singing
>>>>>they're-coming-to-take-us-away, that's disheartening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, organizing is best done by pitching to the choir.
>>>>The key is to show those who agree with you something in
>>>>motion, and thereby find the ones who are looking for
>>>>something real to be a part of.  That's how you recruit the
>>>>leaders and build a movement.  Organizers "call to emulate."
>>>>
>>>>It isn't about spin or consciousness-raising, which the
>>>>"preaching to the choir" line implies, whenever you hear it
>>>>brought against you.
>>>>
>>>>Seth Johnson
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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