From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Sat Feb 2 21:27:40 2002 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:44 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Fwd: [fairuse-announce] ANNOUNCEMENT: We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement [ruben@mrbrklyn.com] In-Reply-To: <20020202232654.C30044@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 23:26:54 -0500 References: <20020202232654.C30044@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20020203002740.A31430@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On 2002.02.02 23:26:54 -0500 Ruben Safir wrote: NY Fairusers We are being called to Washington DC by Congressman Weiners office. We are meeting on Tuesday at the Killarny Rose at 6:30 to talk about arraignments for the trip, and the time and place. This is a VERY IMPORTANT MEETING. Please Make It. Ruben -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/hooked.mp3 - Spring is coming.... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 ____________________________ New Yorkers for Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/hooked.mp3 - Spring is coming.... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 From seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org Wed Feb 6 13:20:24 2002 From: seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:44 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: Felten Drops Scientific Censorship Case Message-ID: <3C619E18.D83696E2@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> (Forwarded from DVD Discussion list, dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:24:03 -060012:24:03 PM From: tneu@smithmicrotech.com It would be really nice to know the "inside track" on why this is being done. I understand there may be good reasons for not pursuing this particular battle at this particular time - but my assumption here is that there is a larger plan at work at the EFF. (and obviously, they have to worry about financial solvency as well) What concerns me is that "next time", we are probably not likely to have such a "model citizen" as the party involved, and for some reason long haired geeks with pigtails almost receive an automatic presumption of guilt whenever DRM technologies are found to be broken. I can see how this is a good thing for scientists and researchers, but I don't see how this is going to help fighting digital DRMs where much of the legwork takes place with ordinary people. One of the whole points is that it shouldn't matter who you are, something is illegal or not. I'm worried that this really solidifies the DMCA exceptions for research in a bad way. It enforces the definition as: research = what world renowned scientists do at major universities. when it should be: research = something someone (anyone!) does to figure something out or learn a thing or two. Does anyone from the EFF want to give us a few hints on the larger strategy involved here? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ Military Intelligence / ' ) ) -KC0LQL- Honest Politician / o ______ / / _ . . Intellectual Property / <_/ / / < / (_ Dmitry Sklyarov talks about life before, after DMCA indictment Message-ID: Dmitry Sklyarov talks to The Moscow Times about life before, after DMCA indictment -- Elcomsoft programmer desires stronger copyright laws in Russia http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=1892 In a recent interview with The Moscow Times republished with permission on Planet PDF, Dmitry Sklyarov reflects on his recent return to Russia and some of his experiences while being detained in the U.S. for five months on criminal charges of violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). He hopes to see stronger copyright laws in Russia so he can earn a living as an Elcomsoft software programmer. His impressions of the U.S. Justice system: "It works like a bulldozer that can't move fast and isn't in a hurry to get anywhere." rgds ~ Kurt ____________________ Kurt Foss - Editor _______________________ Planet PDF - A world of Acrobat/PDF news, tips, tools and forums mailto:kfoss@binarything.com | mailto:kfoss@planetpdf.com http://www.binarything.com/ | http://www.planetpdf.com/ The ePublish Store http://www.epublishstore.com/ BinaryThing - The ePublishing Network From dcwornock at home.com Wed Feb 13 14:08:38 2002 From: dcwornock at home.com (D.C. Wornock) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:44 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Letter from Senator Message-ID: <000c01c1b4da$fd5f3570$36243344@cc653035a> I received the following letter from my senator. Not that she did anything to help. BLANCHE LAMBERT LINCOLN COMMITTEES. ARKANSAS AGRICULTURE. NUTRITION, AND FORESTRY 355 DIRKSEN BUILDING FINANCE TELEPHONE. (202) 224-4843 SELECT COMMITTEE ON ETHICS www. senate.gov/-lincoln SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON AGING United States Senate WASHINGTON, DC 20510 January 30, 2002 D.C.Wornock 201 N. Jackson Street Little Rock, Arkansas 72205 Dear D.C.: Thank you for contacting me about the indictment of Dmitry Sklyarov. Last month, Justice Department officials dropped charges against Russian computer programmer Dmitry Sklyarov in exchange for testimony against his Moscow based employer, ElcomSoft Company. He and his company were charged with selling and conspiracy to sell technology to circumvent the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Again, thank you for contacting me about this issue. If I can be of assistance in the future, please do not hesitate to let me know. Sincerely, Blanche L. Lincoln BLL/bp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20020213/2512677c/attachment.htm From seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org Wed Feb 13 20:16:13 2002 From: seth.johnson at RealMeasures.dyndns.org (Seth Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:44 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] DMCA applies to Whole World, Say Prosecutors Message-ID: <3C6B3A0D.20ED56DC@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> (Forwarded from Interesting People list, farber@cis.upenn.edu) -------- Original Message -------- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:59:21 -0500 From: David Farber >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:38:42 -0500 >To: David Farber >From: Mike Godwin > > >Dave, it's interesting that at the same time some in >the government argue that U.S. constitutional projections >don't apply to the prisoners held at Guantanamo, other >government officials are insisting that the DMCA applies >universally. > >--Mike > > WARREN'S WASHINGTON INTERNET DAILY Tuesday, February 12, 2002 Vol. 3, No. 29 WORLDWIDE DMCA applicability claimed by federal prosecutors in Elcomsoft copyright case. Internet said to make it impossible to apply only within U.S. (P. 1) U.S. Prosecutors Claim DMCA Applies Around the Globe SAN JOSE -- The Digital Millennium Copyright Act properly applies to activity outside the U.S., federal prosecutors said in their case against a Russian company charged with selling software decrypting Adobe e-Books. "A construction of the DMCA that applied it only within the borders of the United States would thwart Congress's intent to prevent circumvention technology from being available," the San Jose U.S. Attorney's Office told U.S. Dist. Judge Ronald Whyte in papers filed late last week. "The ease with which materials can be moved around the Internet makes it impossible to conceive of an effective DMCA statute that applied solely within the United States." That construction was Congress's intent, as shown by its prohibition against importation of certain technology, prosecutors argued. Prosecutors said the judge didn't need to decide that issue, however, because Elcomsoft was subject to prosecution for conduct within the U.S. The company offered its program through a Chicago server, took payment through a Washington state firm, sold the software to U.S. customers, promoted it at a Las Vegas conference, sought U.S. copyright protection and intended an effect in the U.S., they said. Further, the prosecution comports with international law as a reasonable application of U.S. law in protection of the country''s territoriality and nationality, the filing said. Prosecutors also sought to rebut defense arguments that Elcomsoft had been charged improperly with conspiracy in a case involving only its programmer, Dmitry Sklyarov, who no longer is charged, and no one outside the company. The indictment refers to unnamed co-conspirators. The 9th U.S. Appeals Court, San Francisco, and others recognize the legitimacy of charging intracorporate conspiracies, the prosecutors said. Contrary statements in First (Boston) and 10th (Denver) Appeals Courts opinions cited by the defense were merely dicta, prosecutors contend. The extraterritoriality and conspiracy issues are set for hearing March 4. Prosecutors are scheduled to file within 2 weeks responses to challenges to DMCA''s constitutionality. -- Louis Trager -------------------------------------------------------------------- "I speak the password primeval .... I give the sign of democracy ...." --Walt Whitman Mike Godwin can be reached by phone at 202-637-9800 His book, CYBER RIGHTS, can be ordered at http://www.panix.com/~mnemonic . -------------------------------------------------------------------- For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ From dcwornock at home.com Wed Feb 13 22:48:14 2002 From: dcwornock at home.com (D.C. Wornock) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Letter from Senator Message-ID: <002301c1b523$93cf8c60$36243344@cc653035a> Today, two weeks after it was dated, I received the following letter from my senator. Is it just my representatives or is it common for them to do nothing and then try to take credit after the fact? BLANCHE LAMBERT LINCOLN ARKANSAS 355 DIRKSEN BUILDING TELEPHONE. (202) 224-4843 www. senate.gov/-lincoln United States Senate WASHINGTON, DC 20510 January 30, 2002 D.C.Wornock 201 N. Jackson Street Little Rock, Arkansas 72205 Dear D.C.: Thank you for contacting me about the indictment of Dmitry Sklyarov. Last month, Justice Department officials dropped charges against Russian computer programmer Dmitry Sklyarov in exchange for testimony against his Moscow based employer, ElcomSoft Company. He and his company were charged with selling and conspiracy to sell technology to circumvent the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Again, thank you for contacting me about this issue. If I can be of assistance in the future, please do not hesitate to let me know. Sincerely, Blanche L. Lincoln BLL/bp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/attachments/20020214/6331e4ee/attachment.html From vkatalov at elcomsoft.com Mon Feb 18 01:40:03 2002 From: vkatalov at elcomsoft.com (Vladimir Katalov) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] DMCA applies to Whole World, Say Prosecutors In-Reply-To: <3C6B3A0D.20ED56DC@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> References: <3C6B3A0D.20ED56DC@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <116411677.20020218124003@elcomsoft.com> Hello, And in the mean time, other countries' laws are not applicable to U.S. companies... See, for example (registration required, but it is free): http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/11/technology/11NECO.html?todaysheadlines /Vladimir > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:59:21 -0500 > From: David Farber >>Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:38:42 -0500 >>To: David Farber >>From: Mike Godwin >> >> >>Dave, it's interesting that at the same time some in >>the government argue that U.S. constitutional projections >>don't apply to the prisoners held at Guantanamo, other >>government officials are insisting that the DMCA applies >>universally. >> >>--Mike >> >> > WARREN'S WASHINGTON INTERNET DAILY > Tuesday, February 12, 2002 Vol. 3, No. 29 > WORLDWIDE DMCA applicability claimed by federal prosecutors > in Elcomsoft copyright case. Internet said to make it > impossible to apply only within U.S. (P. 1) > U.S. Prosecutors Claim DMCA Applies Around the Globe > SAN JOSE -- The Digital Millennium Copyright Act properly > applies to activity outside the U.S., federal prosecutors > said in their case against a Russian company charged with > selling software decrypting Adobe e-Books. "A construction > of the DMCA that applied it only within the borders of the > United States would thwart Congress's intent to prevent > circumvention technology from being available," the San Jose > U.S. Attorney's Office told U.S. Dist. Judge Ronald Whyte in > papers filed late last week. "The ease with which materials > can be moved around the Internet makes it impossible to > conceive of an effective DMCA statute that applied solely > within the United States." That construction was Congress's > intent, as shown by its prohibition against importation of > certain technology, prosecutors argued. > Prosecutors said the judge didn't need to decide that issue, > however, because Elcomsoft was subject to prosecution for > conduct within the U.S. The company offered its program > through a Chicago server, took payment through a Washington > state firm, sold the software to U.S. customers, promoted it > at a Las Vegas conference, sought U.S. copyright protection > and intended an effect in the U.S., they said. Further, the > prosecution comports with international law as a reasonable > application of U.S. law in protection of the country''s > territoriality and nationality, the filing said. > Prosecutors also sought to rebut defense arguments that > Elcomsoft had been charged improperly with conspiracy in a > case involving only its programmer, Dmitry Sklyarov, who no > longer is charged, and no one outside the company. The > indictment refers to unnamed co-conspirators. The 9th U.S. > Appeals Court, San Francisco, and others recognize the > legitimacy of charging intracorporate conspiracies, the > prosecutors said. Contrary statements in First (Boston) and > 10th (Denver) Appeals Courts opinions cited by the defense > were merely dicta, prosecutors contend. > The extraterritoriality and conspiracy issues are set for > hearing March 4. Prosecutors are scheduled to file within 2 > weeks responses to challenges to DMCA''s constitutionality. > -- Louis Trager /Vladimir vkatalov@elcomsoft.com From jei at cc.hut.fi Tue Feb 19 09:11:27 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Net freedom / jurisdiction case (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:46:50 +0000 From: Peter Sommer Reply-To: ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk To: ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk Subject: Net freedom / jurisdiction case The Stephane Perrin case, which involves net publication of material illegal in the UK but permitted in the country where the website is located (the US), is coming up for appeal under Human Rights legislation: http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=020218001211&query=law From my knowledge of the case I am not sure that the FT explanation of the issues is as complete and accurate as it might be. The present law is defined by R v Graham Waddon: there also the website holding the offending images was hosted in the US, but the images had been uploaded from London and that was sufficient "publication" for the purposes of the Obscene Publications Act to give jurisdiction to the English courts |-> Peter Sommer ------------------------------------>| |-> hcorn@cix.co.uk P.M.Sommer@lse.ac.uk ------------>| |-> Academic URL: http://csrc.lse.ac.uk//Sommer.htm ->| |-> Commercial URL: http://www.pmsommer.com---------->| From proclus at iname.com Tue Feb 19 12:15:51 2002 From: proclus at iname.com (proclus realm) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] thrilling story Message-ID: <200202192015.g1JKFp013681@astrolabei> cc: GNU-Darwin and Free-Sklyarov lists http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/02/19/1612202 Lessig is a hero. I would like to continue to cover such stories as GNU-Darwin News. Dmitry is free now, so that there is an argument to be made that our news coverage should return to more quotidian matters. On the other hand, as many of you know, I am passionate about software freedom and copyright issues, and I know that this passion is shared by many of you. Free software is about *freedom*. These stories are GNU-Darwin news because we are anxiously engaged in them. GNU-Darwin exists in part to *counter* the outrages of the IP profiteers, and we have been publicly providing assistance to the cyber-liberty groups since Dimitri was first incarcerated in July. It could be argued that we made significant contributions in the following areas since then. Dmitry Free Encryption SSSCA Here are the links. http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/news.html http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/war.html We have been seeking ways to improve and amplify the presentation (but we could use some help in this regard). Since that time, we have served at least a half million web visitors, and I have only received one complaint. In fact, the feedback that I have recieved suggests that our users are overwhelmingly in support of this, and besides, it is the right thing to do for the "most free Darwin distribution", IMHO. There are PLENTY of apolitical free software distributors, for those few who are truly offended. Now that we are in this place, I hate to leave, and I signed up for politechbot in order to try and stay on top of things. http://www.politechbot.com/ If you have other suggestions, please pass them along. Let's not load the list down with political bickering. If you have thoughts about this, for or against, please feel free to send them to me personally. Only reply to the list, if there is a credible reason to do so. Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C++++ UBULI++++$ P+ L+++(++++) E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e++++ h--- r+++ y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From tack at gaffle.com Fri Feb 22 09:48:21 2002 From: tack at gaffle.com (tack) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] wipo/wttp "full force" Message-ID: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/02/22/music.piracy.idg/index.html Honduras signed on to WTTP treaty (sister treaty to WIPO), which apparently has additional anti-circumvention provisions, so May 20, it goes into "full force". So are we to believe what happened to Dmitry was less than "full force"? tack ----------------------------------- "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos" - Homer J. Simpson From martinb at kemokid.com Sat Feb 23 00:48:26 2002 From: martinb at kemokid.com (Martin Baker) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] wipo/wttp "full force" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020223004704.L78497-100000@www.kemokid.com> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, tack wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/02/22/music.piracy.idg/index.html > > Honduras signed on to WTTP treaty (sister treaty to WIPO), which > apparently has additional anti-circumvention provisions, so May 20, it > goes into "full force". So are we to believe what happened to Dmitry was > less than "full force"? Remember, the DMCA is more restrictive than it needs to be under WIPO. The US would like to convince everyone else that they should use the DMCA as model legislation, but in reality the laws required can be weaker. So, in a way, what happened to Dmitry is more than "full force". Martin From tompoe at renonevada.net Sat Feb 23 12:15:24 2002 From: tompoe at renonevada.net (tom poe) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] On the subject of the DMCA . . . Message-ID: <02022312152400.26751@aether> Hi: There's a short message at: http://www.worldccr.org/kids.htm about some kids in India, and the computer. Briefly, these kids without parents, live in a garbage dump. A fellow placed a computer in the wall surrounding the dump, and left. It didn't take these kids very long to figure out how to use the computer, surfing the web, playing games, etc. When asked how the computer worked, the kids didn't really know, but they did know how to use it. The Internet is out there. People may not know how it works, but they do know how to use it. It didn't take long to figure out that the Internet makes choices possible, that weren't possible before. With the Internet, people can explore alternatives to the "present system" of doing things. One example is found in the area of music. There is a model for studio quality recording for FREE at: http://www.worldccr.org/recordinghome.html that shows how it's possible and feasible to offer recording studio time to those without money. Such a model, at first blush, might be seen as a threat to the "present system", for it could be seen as a way to avoid having to play by the rules of the Music Industry aka RIAA. In fact, unless the RIAA changes its' models for how music is recorded and distributed, the entire industry will sink into the abyss, never to be seen again. That's a promise. The pharmaceutical industry has "institutionalized" itself, built on a "present system" that encourages altering of clinical research data to suit its' needs. There is a lengthy introduction to this at: http://www.worldccr.org/toppage11.htm which illustrates that there are solutions to the problems surrounding the "present system" of clinical research. As far as the pharmaceutical industry is concerned, such solutions are to be discouraged, as they impact on what the industry feels makes the most money for them. In fact, this solution increases their profits, and is a "no brainer" from the standpoint of economics. Yet, because there exists a very tight "door" to walk through, the industry perpetuates its' model, without need for a pharmaceutical "DMCA" approach, at the expense of the lives of millions of "victims" each year. I believe that's where the RIAA is headed. They are engaged in an assault on the Internet, which, in turn, will lead to a well-planned narrowing of the "door" we must walk through for satisfying personal enjoyment and interests. I wish I could remember where I saw it, but it sent chills up my spine. Some CEO was reported standing in front of the audience talking about history, and how we're entering the world of tomorrow, one that is controlled and led by global corporate executives, not governments [these jerks actually believe this stuff]. If that was indeed, true, then there is no big leap to take to realize that these CEO's, the RIAA, are actively engaged in pursuing such a vision. How far is this new-age "company town/nation" willing to go? Just take a look at the DMCA, the SSSCA, the PTO nonsense, and our loss of personal freedoms that once were held close to our hearts. Who said, "We see the enemy, and the enemy is us."? Well, the enemy isn't us, it's "Them". Those who would introduce a bill designed to instill fear into university researchers, designed to jail teenagers, young adults who would offer alternatives to $300 games, designed to remove books, articles, and papers from the Internet that can be no longer enjoyed without a fee charged [I'm referring to the effects of retroactively mutilating the copyright laws that exist, today]. There's talk about a Digital Divide, between the have's and have not's in our world. The same governments, agencies, and spokespersons involved in these talks, are busy ratifying treaties, enacting laws, and legislating policies specifically directed at making sure that Digital Divide is widened as much as possible. Making sure that democracy and freedom of speech are extinguished in the name of Copyright. If there is one direction that people should move, today, it should be straight at the Internet. There should be an all-out push to educate as many people as possible about what is happening, to make access to the Internet as easy as humanly possible, for poor, disadvantaged, underdeveloped nations, and to encourage each and every person to take the time to look for alternatives. Want to read about one last item, food for thought? Consider how many computers one would need to send to an undeveloped nation, in order to bring the entire country "on-line". There's an example at: http://www.worldccr.org/kiosks.htm that describes how entire countries can be outfitted with computers, at something less than $700 per community. That's the total cost, and it happens to fall in the working range for microcredit applications. Dangerous stuff. There's an example of how information can be shared around the world, without disrespecting "reasonable" copyright laws, policed by the world community, not some RIAA fanatic [ http://worldccr.org/xmloriginal.htm ]. Lessig's Commons Project will no doubt be the world's most recognized "lynchpin" in a world that no longer tolerates corporate brutality. More dangerous stuff. There's something exciting about Dangerous Stuff, isn't there? Thanks, Tom From proclus at iname.com Wed Feb 27 16:09:18 2002 From: proclus at iname.com (proclus realm) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] new website update Message-ID: <200202280009.g1S09JJ20271@astrolabei> Work on the new website continues. Check out the recent work. http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/news.php BTW, the webserver seems a little flaky right now. Please have patience, and I'm sure that SF will fix the problem soon enough. All input welcome. 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