From raptor6212 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 2 07:42:03 2003 From: raptor6212 at yahoo.com (Daniel Preston) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:12 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Remove Remove Message-ID: <20030102154203.33529.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rms at computerbytesman.com Tue Jan 7 07:22:08 2003 From: rms at computerbytesman.com (Richard M. Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Norway's 'DVD-Jon' Is Acquitted In Closely Watched Cracking Case Message-ID: <001d01c2b660$8af62ce0$6801a8c0@rms2> GADGETS ALSO ON GADGETS . Hi-Tech Gadgets That Actually Work . Konica, Minolta Plan Merger . Palm Gets Favorable Ruling on Spinoff MORE OTHER RESOURCES Read "reviews of reviews" that help you evaluate consumer electronics products through our partnership with ConsumerSearch.com. advertisement RELATED ARTICLES . Federal Courts Reject Challenges to Digital Copyright Regulations 11/29/02 . Norwegian Computer Geek Is Villain in Hollywood and a Hero to Hackers 02/26/01 RELATED INDUSTRIES http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1041950244566107864,00.html?mod=techn ology_main_whats_news Norway's 'DVD-Jon' Is Acquitted In Closely Watched Cracking Case Associated Press OSLO, Norway -- A Norwegian teenager was acquitted in a key test case Tuesday of violating computer break-in laws with his program that circumvents security codes on Hollywood's DVD films. Jon Lech Johansen was 15 years old when he developed and posted his program, called DeCSS, on the Internet in late 1999, enraging the film industry because it feared the software would allow illegal copying of its films. In its unanimous 25-page ruling, the three-member Oslo City Court found Mr. Johansen, now 19 years old and a household name as "DVD-Jon" in Norway, innocent on all counts in the latest setback for the film industry's drive to prevent film copying. "I'm very satisfied. We won support on all points. I had figured that we could win, but it can go either way," said Mr. Johansen after the verdict was read out. The prosecution said it would decide in the next two weeks whether to appeal, while Mr. Johansen said he expects another round because this is the first such case in Norway. "But clearly, winning the first round means a lot," said Mr. Johansen, who, in a dark sweater, sat placidly in the small courtroom when the verdict was read for him and about 50 spectators, including his family, the media, and young computer enthusiasts. Prosecutors had called for a 90-day suspended jail sentence, confiscation of computer equipment and that he pay court costs, all of which were rejected in the ruling. Mr. Johansen became a folk hero to hackers, especially in the United States where a battle is raging over a 1998 copyright law that bans software like DeCSS. The film industry developed the Content Scrambling System to encrypt and prevent illegal copying of DVD films. However the system, usually called CSS, also prevents DVD films from being played on unauthorized equipment. Mr. Johansen's program, which pieces together security codes and other programs sent to him by fellow hackers, breaks the CSS barrier, allowing films to be played and copied on computers. The short program is one of many easily available programs that can break DVD security codes. In January 2000, the U.S. Motion Picture Association and the DVD Copy Control Association filed a complaint with the Norwegian economic crime police against Mr. Johansen. Prosecutors later charged Mr. Johansen under Norway's data break-in laws and for being an accessory to others making illegal copies of films by posting his program on the Internet. Mr. Johansen had claimed he posted the program for others to test it. Head judge Irene Sogn, in reading the verdict, said no one could be convicted of breaking into their own property, and that there was no proof that Mr. Johansen or others had used the program to access illegal pirate copies of films. "The court finds that someone who buys a DVD film that has been legally produced has legal access the film. Something else would apply if the film had been an illegal ... pirate copy," the ruling said. It found that consumers have rights to legally obtained DVD films "even if the films are played in a different way than the makers had foreseen." Mr. Johansen said that was the key part of the ruling. "As long as you have purchased a DVD legally then you are allowed to decode it with any equipment, and can't be forced to buy any specific equipment," he said. Copyright (c) 2002 Associated Press Updated January 7, 2003 9:46 a.m. EST From ed at hintz.org Thu Jan 9 23:23:54 2003 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund A. Hintz) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] NZ DMCA? Message-ID: <20030110072354.18022@127.0.0.1:2525> Last month we got a heads up on the proposed NZ version of the DMCA: http://zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/2002-December/005389.html Has anybody done a comparison of the similarities and differences between this and the US version? I'd like to comment on it, and if somebody's already done the bookwork it'd make my reply a whole lot easier... If I have to do the diff myself I expect I'll be hard pressed to make the late Feb. deadline. And there's no point in everybody independently doing diffs if somebody's already done it for us. Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From schoen at loyalty.org Sat Jan 11 15:37:01 2003 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Shutting down free-sklyarov Message-ID: <20030111233701.GI2522@zork.net> I plan to shut down the free-sklyarov list by the end of this month. I'd like to keep it open for the time being for discussion of other resources and projects of interest to DMCA opponents, including other mailing lists which might be relevant to free-sklyarov subscribers. -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From proclus at gnu-darwin.org Sat Jan 11 16:12:58 2003 From: proclus at gnu-darwin.org (proclus@gnu-darwin.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Shutting down free-sklyarov In-Reply-To: <20030111233701.GI2522@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030112001308.05FEC246F5@gnu-darwin.org> On 11 Jan, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I plan to shut down the free-sklyarov list by the end of this month. Ahh sad in a way, but also glad of the success. > I'd like to keep it open for the time being for discussion of other > resources and projects of interest to DMCA opponents, including other > mailing lists which might be relevant to free-sklyarov subscribers. > Second that. Of course, DMCA-discuss seems like a good list to me, but I don't have the address handy. There is also the option of starting a free software project and addressing the issues with code. That is what we did at GNU-Darwin, and I try to keep up discussion of activism and issues on our email lists as well. Check out our Free Darwin anti-DMCA action forum and user email lists. http://news.google.com/news?q=gnu-darwin&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=237019 http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=15543 Free Dimitry was a tremendous experience which changed the real world out there, and it all started here on Seth's list ;-}. The many spin-offs are still resonant with democratic power and impact against the purveyors of information tyranny. Fond memories and many thanks all! Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C++++ UBOULI++++$ P+ L+++(++++) E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e++++ h--- r+++ y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well over half of those messages were posted in the first two weeks! I'd like to thank you all for letting this humble zork.net machine host such an important venue, and especially Seth David Schoen for starting and maintaining it! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? http://lnx-bbc.org/ From sethf at sethf.com Sat Jan 11 16:47:34 2003 From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Shutting down free-sklyarov In-Reply-To: <20030112001308.05FEC246F5@gnu-darwin.org> References: <20030111233701.GI2522@zork.net> <20030112001308.05FEC246F5@gnu-darwin.org> Message-ID: <20030112004734.GA29658@sethf.com> On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 07:12:58PM -0500, proclus@gnu-darwin.org wrote: > Second that. Of course, DMCA-discuss seems like a good list to me, but > I don't have the address handy. dmca_discuss@lists.microshaft.org There is also the related dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu > Nick Moffitt wrote > I'd like to thank you all for letting this humble zork.net > machine host such an important venue, and especially Seth David Schoen > for starting and maintaining it! "Me too"! -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com Anticensorware Investigations - http://sethf.com/anticensorware/ Seth Finkelstein's Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/ From mickeym at mindspring.com Sat Jan 11 19:46:15 2003 From: mickeym at mindspring.com (Mickey McGown) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Shutting down free-sklyarov In-Reply-To: <20030112004734.GA29658@sethf.com> References: <20030111233701.GI2522@zork.net> <20030112001308.05FEC246F5@gnu-darwin.org> <20030112004734.GA29658@sethf.com> Message-ID: <1042343176.1578.3.camel@pentium4> I'll still wear the t-shirt, mickeym On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 19:47, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 07:12:58PM -0500, proclus@gnu-darwin.org wrote: > > Second that. Of course, DMCA-discuss seems like a good list to me, but > > I don't have the address handy. > > dmca_discuss@lists.microshaft.org > > There is also the related > > dvd-discuss@eon.law.harvard.edu > > > Nick Moffitt wrote > > I'd like to thank you all for letting this humble zork.net > > machine host such an important venue, and especially Seth David Schoen > > for starting and maintaining it! > > "Me too"! > > -- > Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com > Anticensorware Investigations - http://sethf.com/anticensorware/ > Seth Finkelstein's Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/ > > _______________________________________________ > free-sklyarov mailing list > free-sklyarov@zork.net > http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov From ath at limm.mgimo.ru Thu Jan 23 22:43:25 2003 From: ath at limm.mgimo.ru (Ilya V. Vasilyev) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Shutting down free-sklyarov References: <20030111233701.GI2522@zork.net> Message-ID: <3E30E08D.3030409@limm.mgimo.ru> Hi, All! Seth David Schoen wrote: > I plan to shut down the free-sklyarov list by the end of this month. Thank you all, people around the world, for supporting Russian programmer and freedom. You really changed our attitude towards United States. Showing, that there isn't only crazy bloody government and greedy unhuman multinationals, as we were here told from school. But also free and noble people. And that those people have real influence to what happening. Can even reverse bad things that already happened! Our best dreams about Sklyarov and Elcomsoft came true -- a real hope arise, that DMCA is doomed. Here is a big book (sorry, in Russian), called "Anticopyright" -- that is poplular around shocking unformal youth: http://imperium.lenin.ru/LENIN/32/C/ -- -- -- Ilya V. Vasilyev Civil Hackers' School Moscow Center, +7(095) 963-3916 http://hscool.net/ From erc at pobox.com Thu Jan 23 23:19:26 2003 From: erc at pobox.com (Ed Carp) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Shutting down free-sklyarov In-Reply-To: <3E30E08D.3030409@limm.mgimo.ru> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Ilya V. Vasilyev wrote: > Thank you all, people around the world, for supporting Russian > programmer and freedom. You really changed our attitude towards > United States. Just because we have idiots for leaders, don't judge all of us by those standards. The idea that the US can enforce their laws anywhere in the world is insanity. -- Ed Carp, N7EKG http://www.pobox.com/~erc 214/986-5870 Licensed Texas Peace Officer Computer Crime Investigation Consultant Director, Software Development Escapade Server-Side Scripting Engine Development Team http://www.squishedmosquito.com Microsoft Front Page - the official HTML editor of Al Qaeda Microsoft Hotmail - the official email of Al Qaeda From sethf at sethf.com Fri Jan 31 06:49:03 2003 From: sethf at sethf.com (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:10:14 2005 Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: [DMCA-Activists] two questions for the group(s) In-Reply-To: <005701c2c934$92545d40$93925a42@youretrespassing> References: <3E03AB34.977996D9@RealMeasures.dyndns.org> <005701c2c934$92545d40$93925a42@youretrespassing> Message-ID: <20030131144903.GA26077@sethf.com> On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 08:25:11AM -0600, Dr. John Raymond Baker wrote: > I just have a couple of questions to try to get a consensus of the groups > concerning these issues. To borrow from Abbie Hoffman: "Consensus? We won't agree on lunch!" > 1) What do you think the chances of getting the DMCA repealed are, with a > time frame of the next two years? Zero. > 2) What do you think it would take to get the DMCA repealed (i.e. not > asking about the mechanism by which Acts are changed in the US, just > talking about pressure from public or critical lawsuits, or whatever.) Complete repeal? Much more money than we have. Concessions and modification? I believe that requires much organizing and coalition-building, and it's not simple. I think about it at times, and perhaps there's no easy answer. See http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000072.html http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000077.html -- Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf@sethf.com http://sethf.com Anticensorware Investigations - http://sethf.com/anticensorware/ Seth Finkelstein's Infothought blog - http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/