[free-sklyarov] Copyright Contradictions

Thu Aug 8 22:34:13 PDT 2002

OK, let's say that I subscribe two GNU-Darwin lists to the Axis
listserver  (After checking off with the other GNU-Darwinists).  Then
alerts are automatically posted to the GNU-Darwinists, who have already
agreed to receive them.  They should be cryptographically signed, so
that they can be verified.  If half the people receiving this message
were to do likewise, we would be reaching a good crowd.

Axis should also subscribe itself to each member list, so that the
alert messages can be verified.  That should be easily automated.

Regards,
proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/

On  8 Aug, tompoe at renonevada.net wrote:
> Hi: good question. This proposal is different in that the goal is to 
> unify the TAKE ACTION aspects of discussion. For example, the EFF folks 
> have a web page that says, TAKE ACTION. There are other sites that have 
> a web page that says, TAKE ACTION. I take action, then I can't remember 
> what action I took. I can't remember what page to go to to check.
> 
> What we need is organization, - - - - as Jay points out.
> 
> Now, when you post to your lists, that's the idea. Let's expand and be 
> able to point to a wide range of lists, a wide variety of touch points, 
> so that a big, significant action happens all at once.
> 
> I think Jay has a point about the SPAM. On the other hand, I don't think 
> it serves much purpose if a singular message is posted on each list, and 
> that's the end of it. I think the need to post and cross-post, and make 
> sure people recognize something is happening is necessary.
> Thanks,
> Tom Poe
> Open Studios
> Reno, NV
> 
> proclus at gnu-darwin.org wrote:
>> How about "Freedom Axis"?  I like the general idea to encompass groups
>> who value free software, open standards, fair use, cryptography,
>>  privacy, etc. Speaking for myself, I already forward important alerts
>> to the lists that I administrate, about 300 subscribers, plus
>> free-skyarov sometimes.  I don't consider it spam, because the
>> subscribers have an expressed interest.  I'm sure that others are doing
>> likewise.
>> 
>> How is this proposal different from what we are doing already?  EFF
>> action alerts, Politech, etc?  How to do we avoid burnout and too much
>> email?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> proclus
>> http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
>> 
>> On  9 Aug, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>>On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, tompoe at renonevada.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi: Let's see what you folks think about the following:
>>>>A web site that lists Users'Groups [all kinds, flavors, etc.]
>>>>A web site that lists web sites [supporters]
>>>>A web site that lists individuals [supporters]
>>>>
>>>>The name of the web site: The Linux Army
>>>
>>>This is close to something I have been considering.  It is an important
>>>thing to do.  We should have been at today's FCC meeting.
>>>
>>>More than a simple alert system is needed.  Organization, planning,
>>>discipline, and experience will help us.
>>>
>>>Tom, I love your stuff and this idea. but I have one objection:
>>>
>>>The name is wrong.  Not "Linux", and not even "GNU/Linux".  Perhaps not
>>>even "Free Software".  Right now I do not have a name I like, but I often
>>>use the phrase "owners and makers".  "stakeholders" is also a good word.
>>>The Englobulators plots', if successful, will trammel us as "consumers", but
>>>they will do worse to us as owners and makers: they will end our rights to
>>>own and make and distribute our own stuff.
>>>
>>>Also we need not allow any SPAM whatsoever.  We can quickly distribute
>>>information to many centers without allowing SPAM.  We may not even need so
>>>much bandwidth that many distribution points are required.  Perhaps a
>>>mailing list with an archive which we allow to be mirrored, subject, of
>>>course, to our strict license, and partly secured by standard cryptographic
>>>means ;)
>>>
>>>oo--JS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On this page, those who agree to the following are listed:
>>>>1] Agree to open their sites to SPAM and cross-posting messages for TAKE
>>>>ACTION events
>>>>2] All messages with EFF will be posted for list members of Users'
>>>>Groups, web sites and individuals [upon moderator approval]
>>>>3] All members of The Linux Army will set up a folder on their mail
>>>>clients to receive all messages with EFF in the Subject Line, so as not
>>>>to have an undue amount of cross-posting and SPAM messages in their Inboxes.
>>>>4] Now, whenever there are ACTIONS TO TAKE, the hundreds of thousands of
>>>>members of The Linux Army are alerted, and can, in most cases, with just
>>>>three clicks, "Do Their Duty".
>>>>
>>>>Slashdot is good for what it does, and The Linux Army, ugly as the SPAM
>>>>aspect is, needs to be alerted to TAKE ACTION when needed. The only way
>>>>to do that is to agree to a SPAM arrangement.
>>>>
>>>>There's a sample page at:
>>>>http://www.studioforrecording.org/linuxarmy.html
>>>>
>>>>If the idea is viable, then the next step is to decide who best to host
>>>>the site?
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Tom Poe
>>>>Open Studios
>>>>Reno, NV
>>>>
>>>>Seth Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Seth Finkelstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>       Well, what works? I must admit I've not had a
>>>>>>great deal of success myself. Maybe there's nothing we
>>>>>>can do. I don't claim to be an expert at such
>>>>>>convincing. I'm only sharing empirical problems I've
>>>>>>encountered from my own experiences in trying to
>>>>>>convince skeptical people. If the world is divided into
>>>>>>the unconvertable, and the choir singing
>>>>>>they're-coming-to-take-us-away, that's disheartening.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, organizing is best done by pitching to the choir.
>>>>>The key is to show those who agree with you something in
>>>>>motion, and thereby find the ones who are looking for
>>>>>something real to be a part of.  That's how you recruit the
>>>>>leaders and build a movement.  Organizers "call to emulate."
>>>>>
>>>>>It isn't about spin or consciousness-raising, which the
>>>>>"preaching to the choir" line implies, whenever you hear it
>>>>>brought against you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Seth Johnson
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>http://www.studioforrecording.org/
>>>>http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/
>>>>http://www.studioforrecording.org/mt/Pubdomain_Bread/
>>>>--
>>>>Please go to EFF.org page at http://www.eff.org
>>>>and register for the TAKE ACTION page.
>>>>If you can donate $5, that'll help, too
>>>>--
>>>>
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