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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Adobe Director Robert Sedgewick contact
info (James S. Tyre)
2. Re: any New York action planned? (Klepht)
3. Chicago Protest Needs People! (Peter A. Peterson II)
4. Re: Slogan/Propaganda (Seth Johnson)
5. Chants (Tim Neu)
6. Re: any New York action planned? (Klepht)
7. Re: any New York action planned? (Jay Sulzberger)
8. Legality of Sklyarov's arrest and Dallas/Houston protest? (Ed Carp)
9. Re: Southern California (Jey Kottalam)
10. Re: any New York action planned? (Carlos Macedo Gomes)
11. translation [Re: Sklyarov+SMI] (Alex Fabrikant)
12. Boston Globe (Kenneth M. Stein)
13. Re: OSCON San Diego action (Marc Perkel)
14. Re: boycottadobe.co.uk registered! (Richard Leyton)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:50:47 -0700
To: "Kevin" <sklyarov at lethe.com>, <free-sklyarov at zork.net>
From: "James S. Tyre" <jstyre at jstyre.com>
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Director Robert Sedgewick contact
info
Done.
(I'm one of the EFF affiliated lawyers representing Ed and the others in
their case.)
At 10:41 AM 07/20/2001 -0700, Kevin wrote:
>This is interesting. Isn't Edward Felten also a professor with the
>Department of Computer Science at Princeton?
>
>Perhaps someone at EFF who knows Prof. Felten could talk to him, see if it
>could approach Prof. Sedgewick about this.
>
>Kevin
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adobe Demonstrator" <adobedemonstrator at hotmail.com>
>To: <free-sklyarov at zork.net>
>Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:40 AM
>Subject: [free-sklyarov] Adobe Director Robert Sedgewick contact info
>
>
> > On the Adobe Board of Directors, our most likely supporter will
> > probably be Robert Sedgewick, a Computer Science Professor at
> > Princeton University. He is listed in their directory:
> >
> > Robert Sedgewick
> > Department of Computer Science
> > Princeton University
> > Princeton, NJ 08544
> > email: rs at cs.Princeton.EDU
> > telephone: 609-258-4345
> > homepage: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~rs/
> >
> > Free Sklyarov!
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Law Offices of James S. Tyre 310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)
10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512 Culver City, CA 90230-4969
Co-founder, The Censorware Project http://censorware.net
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Message: 2
To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] any New York action planned?
From: Klepht <klepht at eleutheria.org>
Organization: Eleutheria
Date: 20 Jul 2001 10:57:01 -0700
>>>>> "LG" == Leonid Gorkin <LGORKIN at mobius.com> writes:
LG> I can be a contact person if we try to organize a protest. I
LG> think we need to do it on Monday, together with the protests
LG> in other cities. I cannot find Adobe office in New Yor, do
LG> anybody know if they are here? Do we need to file a permit
LG> with the mayors office or police department? I have no
LG> experience organizing this kind of events, so I would
LG> appreciate any help.
Leonid, You can do this! Go go go! We need you in New York!
First thing is: pick that spot mentioned (Adobe) and put your name up
as the contact. Get that to EFF RIGHT AWAY, because they need it.
1) Pick a time, place, and agenda. I think you've got this, so get it
announced!
2) ANNOUNCE it as far as you can. Getting it out TODAY, RIGHT NOW is a
good thing, because it's last day people are going to be looking at
the Web or email for a while. I bet if you get it out today,
people can put it up on EFF in a few hours.
3) When you announce, try and do it in an authoritative tone of
voice. Not, "if people will come, I will." Say it like, "THIS WILL
HAPPEN. This event is GOING OFF."
You have to face the fact that you just may end up standing in the
rain, by yourself, in your underwear, crying and handing out
leaflets. It's like "Ghost Dog" -- once you face that, you can kick
ass. It's the way of the Event Samurai!
There have been at least three inquiries on the list today, so you
won't be alone!
4) Give people stuff to bring and do, and a contact email/# to get to
you.
5) Call the cops and tell them what's up. This will keep you from
having a problem on the event day. For some reason, they usually
don't care, but if someone complains they can sweep you along for
not having notified them. <shrug> Go figure.
6) Hit as many announcement venues as you can. Try Linux Users' Groups
or other computer users' groups, hipster lists (what's that thing
-- the Rhizome list?), Web lists, etc. Do they have a Craig's List
in NYC? Try the Craig's List, too.
7) Before the event, make these things: a whole bunch of copies of a
flier -- I think Tabinda Khan is working on one, which should be
really good. Also, make at least two picket signs. You can get
poster board at Staples or Office Depot for like 1.39 for 10
sheets. PERFECT. Make a couple, bring the rest of the paper for
other people to make signs. (Oh, and some markers!).
Also, bring a clipboard. I dunno why, but having a clipboard makes
you look like you've got your shit together.
8) Try and synch up with the EFF to get press there. They can probably
swing it.
9) At the event: hold up your sign. Pass out flyers. Towards the
middle of the time period, give a little speech about Dmitry, if
you feel like. Rally the troops. And then let them drift away.
That's it! It's that easy! You're totally able to pull it off, man!
You've GOT to make this happen! We really NEED someone in NYC!
~Klepht
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klepht at eleutheria.org
http://www.eleutheria.org/
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:58:45 -0500
From: "Peter A. Peterson II" <pedro at tastytronic.net>
To: free-sklyarov at zork.net, luni at tastytronic.net, ufo at tastytronic.net
free-sklyarov at zork.net, luni at tastytronic.net, ufo at tastytronic.net
Subject: [free-sklyarov] Chicago Protest Needs People!
Hey all,
Nate Riffe <inkblot at geocities.com> is going to be the contact man for a
Chicago protest on Monday from 11 to 1. If you are interested or live in
the area, please contact him and consider coming downtown and
protesting. Details are forthcoming.
pedro
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Peter A. Peterson II, CEO Users of Free Operating Systems, Chicago USA
http://ufo.chicago.il.us -- Free Software Rules -- Proprietary Drools!
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:51:50 -0400
From: "Seth Johnson" <seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org>
To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] Slogan/Propaganda
Reply-To: seth.johnson at realmeasures.dyndns.org
I can't facilitate (or enable, for that matter) the logo discussion right
now. Can someone try to see whether anything is going to come of the
discussion that's starting? I can't speak up much for a while.
Seth Johnson
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:06:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tim Neu <tneu at visi.com>
To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
Subject: [free-sklyarov] Chants
Here's something anyone can understand:
Keep Russian laws in Russia, US laws in USA
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
What the president of the Motion Picture Association of America says about
taking away your constitutional rights:
"I'm rather jubilant now. What Judge Kaplan did was blow away every one of
these brittle and fragile rebuttals. He threw out fair use; he threw out
reverse engineering; he threw out linking."
- Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you
/ ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything."
/ o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA
/ <_/ / / < / (_</_(_/_ -- tneu at visi.com / http://www.visi.com/~tneu --
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Message: 6
To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] any New York action planned?
<87hew7xz4i.fsf at priss.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>
From: Klepht <klepht at eleutheria.org>
Organization: Eleutheria
Date: 20 Jul 2001 11:06:16 -0700
>>>>> "K" == Klepht <klepht at eleutheria.org> writes:
K> Leonid, You can do this! Go go go! We need you in New York!
Haw! I've sent off-list encouragment messages like this to many of
you. I accidentally sent this one to the list.
Whoops! I'm totally busted. B-)
~Klepht
--
klepht at eleutheria.org
http://www.eleutheria.org/
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:11:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Sulzberger <jays at panix.com>
To: Jon Bober <jwb235 at nyu.edu>
Cc: <free-sklyarov at zork.net>, Jay Sulzberger <jays at panix.com>
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] any New York action planned?
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Jon Bober wrote:
> I believe that I am the only person on this list that has expressed
> interest in something in NYC. That was last night just before I went
> to sleep at around 1:30 or so. I woke up this morning to find that
> people had tried to jump on me to organize something. As could be
> inferred from the tone of that email, I am not ready to organize
> something all alone, but I would be willing to participate. I am not
> a hard-core protester, and I am not ready to go marching up and down
> streets by myself.
>
> I'll see if anyone else steps up. I'm not ready to be the contact on
this.
I'll be at the protest on Monday in front of the New York offices of
Adobe, right across the street from the New York Public Library. Folk on
nylug-talk are discussing the protest. We'll need placards, and perhaps
we should get a permit.
http://www.nylug.org
oo--JS.
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Message: 8
Reply-To: <erc at pobox.com>
From: "Ed Carp" <erc at pobox.com>
To: <free-sklyarov at zork.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:14:37 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"
Subject: [free-sklyarov] Legality of Sklyarov's arrest and Dallas/Houston
protest?
It is my opinion that not only is Sklyarov being held unlawfully (because
the original complaint didn't specify exactly *how* Sklyarov violated the
DMCA), but the DMCA doesn't apply to him, because (1) encryption
circumvention isn't a crime in Russia, and (2) he hasn't committed a crime
on US soil! The presumption in the complaint seems to be that since (A)
encryption circumvention is a crime, (B) Sklyarov violated the DMCA in that
respect (regardless of where he was when he did it), and (C) Sklyarov was in
the US at some point, it naturally follows that (D) Sklyarov has violated US
law and can be arrested. Uh, no, sorry, go back to law school - and this
time, don't sleep through the constitutional law class!
In the original complaint (from
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/20010707_complaint.html):
I, the undersigned complainant being duly sworn state the following is true
and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. On or about June 26,
2001 in Santa Clara county, in the Northern District of California
defendant(s) did, (Track Statutory Language of Offense)
import, offer to the public, provide, and otherwise traffic in a software
product that is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of
circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that
effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work
or a portion thereof, and aid and abet such conduct.
in violation of Title 17 United States Code, Section(s) 1201(b)(1)(A) and 18
U.S.C. Sec.2
Oh, really? Hmmm...on reading the complaint, I can find no supporting
documentation or evidence that says Sklyarov did "import, offer to the
public, provide, and otherwise traffic" in the US! Please note the use of
the word "and". If the information that the arrest warrant is based on is
invalid, the arrest warrant itself is invalid on its face, and Sklyarov
should be freed immediately. If I were his attorney, I'd be down filing a
writ of habeas corpus right now.
On a related note, anyone know if a protest is being organized in either
Dallas or Houston for Monday?
--
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Message: 9
From: "Jey Kottalam" <jeyk at home.com>
To: <free-sklyarov at zork.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:11:52 -0700
charset="iso-8859-1"
Subject: [free-sklyarov] Re: Southern California
Or come give us a hand in San Diego.. we're closer! =D
I'm contacting the local LUGs in San Diego to see if we can organize a
protest here.
I also noticed a Bob La Quey on this list -- I believe he's associated with
the KPLUG, is he coordinating anything with the KPLUG?
-Jey Kottalam
"My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right." --
/usr/bin/fortune
> We encourage folks in LA to stay in LA and protest there.
>
> Of course, if you really feel moved to come to SJ, you
> are welcome. :-)
>
> Will
>
> At 10:37 AM 7/20/2001 -0700, Victor Piterbarg wrote:
> >I'm from LA, and I'm going up to SJ with a couple of people, for the main
> >protest. Grab some friends and drive to SJ, it's close enough.
> >
> >-Victor
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: free-sklyarov-admin at zork.net
> >[mailto:free-sklyarov-admin at zork.net]On Behalf Of jason at d13.com
> >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:34 AM
> >To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
> >Subject: [free-sklyarov] Southern California?
> >
> >
> >Anybody on this list in Southern California? I think a protest is in
> >order.
> >
> >At one time there was a small adobe office in Irvine,
> >
> > http://www.educause.edu/memdir/corp-profiles/30880.html
> >
> >The Federal building in West LA or the Federal Court in downtown LA
> >would also be good places to show support for Dmitri.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 10
Reply-To: "Carlos Macedo Gomes" <gomes at navigo.com>
From: "Carlos Macedo Gomes" <gomes at navigo.com>
To: "Jon Bober" <jwb235 at nyu.edu>, "Leonid Gorkin" <LGORKIN at mobius.com>
Cc: <free-sklyarov at zork.net>
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] any New York action planned?
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:17:30 -0400
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Jon and Leonid,
I believe we do have to get a permit to protest in NYC- at least officially.
I'll try to contact a few groups that may have a better understanding of the
legal side and will update ASAP. If we're shooting for Monday that doesn't
give
us much time to get the paper work together if it's needed.
The location below sounds good to me. We should put out a larger call for
support online (nylug.org, lxny.org, Perl Mongers, local EFF chapters, etc).
I've sent an email to the secretary at lxny.org but don't have any direct
contact w/ the other groups.
So right now we have 3 in NYC. 2's company and 3's a crowd? It's at least
enough to cover an intersection handing out flyers. I'm game to meet
sometime
tomorrow to check heads and work out a game plan. I suggest the Barnes and
Nobles near Union Square but I'm flexible.
regards,
C.G.
--
gomes at navigo.com
Carlos Macedo Gomes
_sic itur ad astra_
1/1;
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Bober" <jwb235 at nyu.edu>
To: <free-sklyarov at zork.net>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: [free-sklyarov] any New York action planned?
> this might be a good location - a few blocks from times square, by bryant
> park, and on 5th ave.
> At 01:37 PM 7/20/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >alright, i am willing to be in on this.
> >
> >a search on www.superpages.com yields:
> >
> >Adobe Systems Inc
> >8 West 40th Street, New York, NY 10018
> >(212) 221-6737
> >
> >looks like an adobe building. other than that, i don't have much
> >information, but i am willing to help, though i would also need help.
> >
> >
> >
> >At 01:22 PM 7/20/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >>I can be a contact person if we try to organize a protest. I think we
need
> >>to do it on Monday, together with the protests in other cities. I cannot
> >>find Adobe office in New Yor, do anybody know if they are here? Do we
need
> >>to file a permit with the mayors office or police department? I have no
> >>experience organizing this kind of events, so I would appreciate any
help.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Leonid
> >>
> >>lgorkin at excite.com
> >>phone: 212 794 1565
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Klepht [mailto:klepht at eleutheria.org]
> >>Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:10 PM
> >>To: free-sklyarov at zork.net
> >>Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] any New York action planned?
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>>> "JB" == Jon Bober <jwb235 at nyu.edu> writes:
> >>
> >> JB> I am not a hard-core protester, and I am not ready to go
> >> JB> marching up and down streets by myself.
> >>
> >>That's too bad.
> >>
> >>Just to get this in focus: I don't think many of us =are= "hardcore
> >>protesters." We're ALL flying by the seat of our pants. In my
> >>experience, most of the people in the Bay Area are just Linux geeks
> >>and freedom lovers. We're making this go off because we want Dmitry to
> >>be free.
> >>
> >>If you can, try synching up with NY-LUG, the New York Linux Users
> >>Group.
> >>
> >> http://www.nylug.org/
> >>
> >>They may be willing to step up to the plate.
> >>
> >>~Klepht
> >>
> >>--
> >>klepht at eleutheria.org
> >>http://www.eleutheria.org/
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Fabrikant <alexf at hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
To: =?koi8-r?B?88XSx8XKICDgLiDpzNjJzg==?= <market at giprogor.ru>
cc: sklyarov at ezhe.ru, free-sklyarov at zork.net
Subject: [free-sklyarov] translation [Re: Sklyarov+SMI]
Below is a translation of the message sent by Sergey Yu. Ilyin
<market at giprogor.ru> to this list at 20 Jul 2001 17:30:41 +0400 in
Russian:
Gentlemen!
The article in Banners, as I promised, regarding Sklyarov's arrest has
been published today in the "politics" section of Russkiy Zhurnal (The
Russian Journal). A link (not a banner!) has been placed, as you've
requested, at the very top of the main page, www.russ.ru, and,
probably, will remain there until Monday. The article itself ("Adobe
vs Elcomsoft: zaokeanskie Kokhi") is located at
http://www.russ.ru/politics/west/20010720.html . If the members of
this list feel that this article deals with the issue well, links and
banner traffic will be appreciated.=20
With respect, Sergey Yu. Ilyin, politics section of Russkiy Zhurnal
mailto:market at giprogor.ru
ICQ#: 23262204
P.S. Yesterday's special edition of NasNet by Sergey Kuznetsov is also
dedicated to these unfortunate events, at the address
http://www.russ.ru/netcult/nasnet/20010719.html .
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Message: 12
Reply-To: <kstein at med.cornell.edu>
From: "Kenneth M. Stein" <kstein at med.cornell.edu>
To: <free-sklyarov at zork.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:26:56 -0400
charset="iso-8859-1"
Subject: [free-sklyarov] Boston Globe
There is a well written (except for the ubiquitous "Hacker" in the headline)
article by Hiawatha Bray on the Front Page of today's Boston Globe
(http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/201/business/Hacker_s_arrest_decried%2b.s
html). Among other things, the article quotes Rick Boucher, a Democratic
Congressman from Virginia:
"But at least one member of Congress doesn't think Sklyarov's actions should
be illegal. ''I think there's a growing sense that the legislation is overly
broad,'' said Representative Rick Boucher, a Virginia Democrat. He says
there are legitimate reasons why an electronic book owner might wish to copy
all or part of the text - to make a backup copy, or to include an excerpt in
some other document. This concept, called ''fair use,'' is well established
in copyright law.
Boucher fears the DMCA essentially eliminates fair use, by enabling
publishers to lock up their materials so completely that consumers won't be
able to make legitimate copies."
- Ken
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:22:25 -0700
From: Marc Perkel <marc at perkel.com>
To: Bob La Quey <robertl1 at home.com>
CC: Will Doherty <wild at eff.org>, free-sklyarov at zork.net,
"tim O'Reilly" <tim at oreilly.com>, andy Oram <andyo at oreilly.com>,
mcclelland at mail.glaad.org, kevin at eff.org,
Urivan Saaib <saaib at ciberlinux.net>, marc at eff.org
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] OSCON San Diego action
Since Kevin and I are going to be there, I can say that I would be available
to
be part of the panel. Perhaps we should also maybe throw together a one page
handout on the issue --- maybe something that can be added to the material
distributed to attendees.
Here's how I see this. The government is sending a message to the open
source
community that they are willing to arrest and jail programmers for writing
tools -- as opposed to prosecuting those who use the tools illegally. It's
equivelent to arresting an assembly line worker at a hammer plant because
the
hammer can be used to build an illegal structure. Do we want a world where
programmers have to wonder if they are going to be hauled off to jail. Under
these standards --- John Gillmore would certianly be a criminal for cracking
DES.
I am also offended over the jurisdictional issue. We in America are
arresting a
Russian citizen for conduct that occurred in his own country that was lawful
in
Russia. Who are we to declare that our laws apply to the entire planet and
that
we have the right to arrest an punish people who are not citizens of our
country?
One could make an argument that if there were to be an arrest then it would
be
the person directly involved with distribution the (illegal) program in
America
in violation of American law. But this is a programmer who had nothing to do
with the distribution of this product here.
If we were to apply the "shoe on the other foot" test --- suppose an
american
programmer were arrested in Saudi Arabia for writing a JPEG viewer that
allowed
Saudi men to view naked women (naked meaning no veil on face). We would be
ready to go to war over the issue. Is every programmer and every webmaster
who
puts anything on the internet to be subject to prosecution for violating any
law anywhere on the planet? I think not --- and I think that since this is a
personal attack against the open source community that it is our duty as
open
source programmers (as you know --- I am also a programmer) to assert to the
United States that we will not accept this and we should draw a line in the
sand and tell the United States to back down.
Well --- I'm ranting now. --- My point --- I support action at OSCON - I
will
be there - how can I be of service?
Bob La Quey wrote:
> This cannot be allowed to stand. We definitely want to put together
> an action. The only question in my mind is what/when, etc.
>
> I suggest that OSCON should throw together an immediate ad hoc panel
> on this issue. We will probably also want to organize efforts separately
> from the OSCON, which after all has an agenda of its own.
>
> As a minimum we want to find an effective way to leverage this large
> gathering of programmers and to help Dmitry and blast the DMCA.
>
> Just think what the American public would be saying if this was a
> young American programmer with a wife and two children being held
> by the KGB in Moscow. Shame on the USA. Shame on Adobe.
>
> At 07:35 AM 7/20/01 -0700, Will Doherty wrote:
> >Hey Bob,
> >
> >I have cc'ed the two EFF people I know of who are attending
> >OSC... if you all can have a strategy session on this idea,
> >EFF is interested in participating.
> >
> >Free Dmitry,
> >
> >Will Doherty
> >Online Activist / Media Relations
> >Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
> >Web http://www.eff.org
> >
> >Electronic Frontier Foundation - Protecting rights in the digital age
> >-------
> >
> >At 07:25 AM 7/20/2001 -0700, Bob La Quey wrote:
> >>The Open Source Convention will be meeting in San Diego
> >>this next week JUly 23-27. Since this is perhaps the largest
> >>single gathering of Free/Open Source software people anywhere
> >>we should certainly plan some action in response to the
> >>Sklyarov Affair.
> >>
> >>Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >>Bob La Quey Free Dmitry
http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Bob La Quey
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Message: 14
charset="iso-8859-1"
From: Richard Leyton <mailinglists at leyton.org>
To: d p <dep21 at yahoo.co.uk>, free-sklyarov at zork.net
Subject: Re: [free-sklyarov] boycottadobe.co.uk registered!
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:45:46 +0100
On Friday 20 July 2001 2:48 pm, d p wrote:
> The domain:
>
> boycottadobe.co.uk
>
> has been registered!
cool.
Might be an idea to put up various pieces of information to give people
abroad an idea on how they can help out here.
I don't think there's enough critical mass in the UK to start picketting
Adobe offices (With Archer going down for 4 years, the Bush visit, and Genoa
conference riots starting, the news is pretty overwhelmed at the moment).
Happy to be proved wrong if there are more UK (or simply non-US/Russian)
people on this list?
My thoughts include:
- Boycotting US conferences (cf. Alan Cox)
- Addresses to write to (Newspapers, Tech commentators, US Embassy?)
...?
r.
>
> As soon as the name servers get sorted, I'll have it
> redirecting to boycottadobe.com - unless anyone out
> there in the UK wants to start getting some UK-related
> pages sorted out? I don't have time for that, but I'm
> willing to get the domain pointing wherever it needs
> to...
>
>
> dp.
>
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