[free-sklyarov] Copyright Contradictions

Thu Aug 8 23:00:12 PDT 2002

defenitly count out NY Fair Use.  The noise level is alreay too high.

> 
> I think Jay has a point about the SPAM. On the other hand, I don't think 
> it serves much purpose if a singular message is posted on each list, and 
> that's the end of it. I think the need to post and cross-post, and make 
> sure people recognize something is happening is necessary.
> Thanks,
> Tom Poe
> Open Studios
> Reno, NV
> 
> proclus at gnu-darwin.org wrote:
> > How about "Freedom Axis"?  I like the general idea to encompass groups
> > who value free software, open standards, fair use, cryptography,
> >  privacy, etc. Speaking for myself, I already forward important alerts
> > to the lists that I administrate, about 300 subscribers, plus
> > free-skyarov sometimes.  I don't consider it spam, because the
> > subscribers have an expressed interest.  I'm sure that others are doing
> > likewise.
> > 
> > How is this proposal different from what we are doing already?  EFF
> > action alerts, Politech, etc?  How to do we avoid burnout and too much
> > email?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > proclus
> > http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
> > 
> > On  9 Aug, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, tompoe at renonevada.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi: Let's see what you folks think about the following:
> >>>A web site that lists Users'Groups [all kinds, flavors, etc.]
> >>>A web site that lists web sites [supporters]
> >>>A web site that lists individuals [supporters]
> >>>
> >>>The name of the web site: The Linux Army
> >>
> >>This is close to something I have been considering.  It is an important
> >>thing to do.  We should have been at today's FCC meeting.
> >>
> >>More than a simple alert system is needed.  Organization, planning,
> >>discipline, and experience will help us.
> >>
> >>Tom, I love your stuff and this idea. but I have one objection:
> >>
> >>The name is wrong.  Not "Linux", and not even "GNU/Linux".  Perhaps not
> >>even "Free Software".  Right now I do not have a name I like, but I often
> >>use the phrase "owners and makers".  "stakeholders" is also a good word.
> >>The Englobulators plots', if successful, will trammel us as "consumers", but
> >>they will do worse to us as owners and makers: they will end our rights to
> >>own and make and distribute our own stuff.
> >>
> >>Also we need not allow any SPAM whatsoever.  We can quickly distribute
> >>information to many centers without allowing SPAM.  We may not even need so
> >>much bandwidth that many distribution points are required.  Perhaps a
> >>mailing list with an archive which we allow to be mirrored, subject, of
> >>course, to our strict license, and partly secured by standard cryptographic
> >>means ;)
> >>
> >>oo--JS.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On this page, those who agree to the following are listed:
> >>>1] Agree to open their sites to SPAM and cross-posting messages for TAKE
> >>>ACTION events
> >>>2] All messages with EFF will be posted for list members of Users'
> >>>Groups, web sites and individuals [upon moderator approval]
> >>>3] All members of The Linux Army will set up a folder on their mail
> >>>clients to receive all messages with EFF in the Subject Line, so as not
> >>>to have an undue amount of cross-posting and SPAM messages in their Inboxes.
> >>>4] Now, whenever there are ACTIONS TO TAKE, the hundreds of thousands of
> >>>members of The Linux Army are alerted, and can, in most cases, with just
> >>>three clicks, "Do Their Duty".
> >>>
> >>>Slashdot is good for what it does, and The Linux Army, ugly as the SPAM
> >>>aspect is, needs to be alerted to TAKE ACTION when needed. The only way
> >>>to do that is to agree to a SPAM arrangement.
> >>>
> >>>There's a sample page at:
> >>>http://www.studioforrecording.org/linuxarmy.html
> >>>
> >>>If the idea is viable, then the next step is to decide who best to host
> >>>the site?
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Tom Poe
> >>>Open Studios
> >>>Reno, NV
> >>>
> >>>Seth Johnson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Seth Finkelstein wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>       Well, what works? I must admit I've not had a
> >>>>>great deal of success myself. Maybe there's nothing we
> >>>>>can do. I don't claim to be an expert at such
> >>>>>convincing. I'm only sharing empirical problems I've
> >>>>>encountered from my own experiences in trying to
> >>>>>convince skeptical people. If the world is divided into
> >>>>>the unconvertable, and the choir singing
> >>>>>they're-coming-to-take-us-away, that's disheartening.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Actually, organizing is best done by pitching to the choir.
> >>>>The key is to show those who agree with you something in
> >>>>motion, and thereby find the ones who are looking for
> >>>>something real to be a part of.  That's how you recruit the
> >>>>leaders and build a movement.  Organizers "call to emulate."
> >>>>
> >>>>It isn't about spin or consciousness-raising, which the
> >>>>"preaching to the choir" line implies, whenever you hear it
> >>>>brought against you.
> >>>>
> >>>>Seth Johnson
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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