[free-sklyarov] Copyright Contradictions

Thu Aug 8 23:09:25 PDT 2002

Ruben's point is important.  A single message to each member group
would be sufficient (then maybe nyfairuse will join ;-), and they can
discuss a single message among themselves in a manner that is
appropriate for their own group.

There should be an opt-in mechanism for people who wish to become more
involved in any particular action.  I liked the way that Stakeholders
7/17 "sucked you in", when you replied to the alert.  That gets you
right into it, like free-skyarov was in the first days.

Regards,
proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/

On  9 Aug, Ruben I Safir wrote:
> defenitly count out NY Fair Use.  The noise level is alreay too high.
> 
>> I think Jay has a point about the SPAM. On the other hand, I don't think 
>> it serves much purpose if a singular message is posted on each list, and 
>> that's the end of it. I think the need to post and cross-post, and make 
>> sure people recognize something is happening is necessary.
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Poe
>> Open Studios
>> Reno, NV
>> 
>> proclus at gnu-darwin.org wrote:
>> > How about "Freedom Axis"?  I like the general idea to encompass groups
>> > who value free software, open standards, fair use, cryptography,
>> >  privacy, etc. Speaking for myself, I already forward important alerts
>> > to the lists that I administrate, about 300 subscribers, plus
>> > free-skyarov sometimes.  I don't consider it spam, because the
>> > subscribers have an expressed interest.  I'm sure that others are doing
>> > likewise.
>> > 
>> > How is this proposal different from what we are doing already?  EFF
>> > action alerts, Politech, etc?  How to do we avoid burnout and too much
>> > email?
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > proclus
>> > http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
>> > 
>> > On  9 Aug, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
>> > 
>> >>
>> >>On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, tompoe at renonevada.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Hi: Let's see what you folks think about the following:
>> >>>A web site that lists Users'Groups [all kinds, flavors, etc.]
>> >>>A web site that lists web sites [supporters]
>> >>>A web site that lists individuals [supporters]
>> >>>
>> >>>The name of the web site: The Linux Army
>> >>
>> >>This is close to something I have been considering.  It is an important
>> >>thing to do.  We should have been at today's FCC meeting.
>> >>
>> >>More than a simple alert system is needed.  Organization, planning,
>> >>discipline, and experience will help us.
>> >>
>> >>Tom, I love your stuff and this idea. but I have one objection:
>> >>
>> >>The name is wrong.  Not "Linux", and not even "GNU/Linux".  Perhaps not
>> >>even "Free Software".  Right now I do not have a name I like, but I often
>> >>use the phrase "owners and makers".  "stakeholders" is also a good word.
>> >>The Englobulators plots', if successful, will trammel us as "consumers", but
>> >>they will do worse to us as owners and makers: they will end our rights to
>> >>own and make and distribute our own stuff.
>> >>
>> >>Also we need not allow any SPAM whatsoever.  We can quickly distribute
>> >>information to many centers without allowing SPAM.  We may not even need so
>> >>much bandwidth that many distribution points are required.  Perhaps a
>> >>mailing list with an archive which we allow to be mirrored, subject, of
>> >>course, to our strict license, and partly secured by standard cryptographic
>> >>means ;)
>> >>
>> >>oo--JS.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>On this page, those who agree to the following are listed:
>> >>>1] Agree to open their sites to SPAM and cross-posting messages for TAKE
>> >>>ACTION events
>> >>>2] All messages with EFF will be posted for list members of Users'
>> >>>Groups, web sites and individuals [upon moderator approval]
>> >>>3] All members of The Linux Army will set up a folder on their mail
>> >>>clients to receive all messages with EFF in the Subject Line, so as not
>> >>>to have an undue amount of cross-posting and SPAM messages in their Inboxes.
>> >>>4] Now, whenever there are ACTIONS TO TAKE, the hundreds of thousands of
>> >>>members of The Linux Army are alerted, and can, in most cases, with just
>> >>>three clicks, "Do Their Duty".
>> >>>
>> >>>Slashdot is good for what it does, and The Linux Army, ugly as the SPAM
>> >>>aspect is, needs to be alerted to TAKE ACTION when needed. The only way
>> >>>to do that is to agree to a SPAM arrangement.
>> >>>
>> >>>There's a sample page at:
>> >>>http://www.studioforrecording.org/linuxarmy.html
>> >>>
>> >>>If the idea is viable, then the next step is to decide who best to host
>> >>>the site?
>> >>>Thanks,
>> >>>Tom Poe
>> >>>Open Studios
>> >>>Reno, NV
>> >>>
>> >>>Seth Johnson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Seth Finkelstein wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>       Well, what works? I must admit I've not had a
>> >>>>>great deal of success myself. Maybe there's nothing we
>> >>>>>can do. I don't claim to be an expert at such
>> >>>>>convincing. I'm only sharing empirical problems I've
>> >>>>>encountered from my own experiences in trying to
>> >>>>>convince skeptical people. If the world is divided into
>> >>>>>the unconvertable, and the choir singing
>> >>>>>they're-coming-to-take-us-away, that's disheartening.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Actually, organizing is best done by pitching to the choir.
>> >>>>The key is to show those who agree with you something in
>> >>>>motion, and thereby find the ones who are looking for
>> >>>>something real to be a part of.  That's how you recruit the
>> >>>>leaders and build a movement.  Organizers "call to emulate."
>> >>>>
>> >>>>It isn't about spin or consciousness-raising, which the
>> >>>>"preaching to the choir" line implies, whenever you hear it
>> >>>>brought against you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Seth Johnson
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>--
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>> >>>http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/
>> >>>http://www.studioforrecording.org/mt/Pubdomain_Bread/
>> >>>--
>> >>>Please go to EFF.org page at http://www.eff.org
>> >>>and register for the TAKE ACTION page.
>> >>>If you can donate $5, that'll help, too
>> >>>--
>> >>>
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