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Thu, 27 Nov 2003

05:18 [zork(~/nick/web)] cat ha-ha-wikitravel.txt

Ha ha Wikitravel.

So I'm sitting here watching E wrestle with wikitravel, trying to enter in her own travel story about Krakow. Here's what happens when you think you want to add something to wikitravel:

You start looking for an existing page, and only see big scary CIA documents or big templates with huge requirements and a rigid structure. If you aren't completely scared off at this point, you might notice the Plunge Forward advice, and let that steel your confidence. Maybe you read the Stub Articles page again, and decide to forego the stuffy template this time.

So basically I told E to go to the Poland page, edit the URL, and then "edit this page" from the empty Krakow page. By this time she was super ready to just close the browser and do something more interesting. Now she's busy wrestling with the crack-addled wiki markup (quotation marks for emphasis! Welcome to "the Internet" of hand-lettered business signs!).

It sounds like it's basically all about Mister Bad being unemployed and doing nothing but edit wikitravel articles all day.

Tue, 25 Nov 2003

21:43 [zork(~/nick/transit)] cat ha-ha-bart.txt

Ha ha BART

I just got off the phone with a reporter from the East Bay Express. She was writing about the petition to keep BART open until 3am on weekends to cut down on drunk driving and to let folks stay out and party late.

She found my BART Petition Rebuttal thread and mailed me asking for an interview. I was trying to coordinate times, and noticed her message was posted 1 hour in the future. I realized that she was in mountain time, and George Perry reminded me that the East Bay Express is owned by the same conglomerate that owns the SF Weekly.

So I basically sent her a mail saying "I can call you, but if it's long distance I can send you my number." Whoops! She's in Emeryville, using the newtimes mail system (some novell thing).

I was satisfied with her level of skepticism, which is refreshing after spending so many years talking to bubbly tech press who take every word you say and repeat it to avoid doing any work. I guess I forget that computer news is really special and separate from even the more corporately-managed free weeklies.

So she didn't seem to buy that the problems were all technological, and that's a fair point. The issue of money came up, but I'm sadly not as familiar with the particulars of the BART financial hemmorhage beyond occasional quotes that they're trying to reduce the yearly net cost per rider to $28. The one thing I did point out is that night work is typically much more expensive than daytime, and they could likely save money if they found some way to do maintenance during the day without stopping service.

18:20 [zork(~/mrbad/wikitravel)] cat postnow.txt

POST NOW

I know a lot of good writers, and I have a lot of friends that support our effort with <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/">Wikitravel</a>. Many have offered to "submit something", or "help out", but I've noticed a tendency on their parts to think of wiki pages as magazine articles. In their mind, the page must be complete and exquisitely crafted on initial posting.

This is a daunting task, and most people just don't have the time or energy for it. Some folks have, in fact, come through in this way: Johnny Royale wrote up the hilarious <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Walnut_Creek">Walnut Creek guide</a>, and Siduri started <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/San_Francisco/Tenderloin">a guide to the Tenderloin</a>. Tjames made <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Santa_Barbara">Santa Barbara</a>, which is such a great professional page. I love it.

But most people don't, or can't, and then they get intimidated and guilty and they don't want to talk to me about Wikitravel anymore. Which is kind of a bummer for me, because I never wanted a magazine article in the first place. It's like if your Dad promises you some expensive gift for Christmas, and then he can't afford it, so he doesn't get you anything and feels guilty and goes and gets schnockered at the pub on Christmas Eve instead.

The thing I'm starting to grok about wiki -- and I'm not a wiki expert by any means -- is that <a href="http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html">Worse is Better</a>. You don't have to create something beautiful the first time around. In fact, great initial postings may actually be counterproductive. They kind of discourage editing by readers, meaning that community knowledge doesn't get included. It's the <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Wikitravel:stub_articles">stub articles</a> that seem to really grow into something information-rich.

I love my friends and I appreciate their goodwill. I know some of the best people in the world. But I wish I could think of an easy way to tell friends who offer to create a new article for Wikitravel that that's not what I really want. Just come over and help out. Create a stub for something that's not there. Expand a stub that is there. Correct someone else's spelling. Look up the phone number for a restaurant listing. Just, y'know, <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Wikitravel:plunge_forward">plunge forward</a>. It's more fun that way, anyways.

So, Nick, if you really want to help out, check out the pages for <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Bay_Area_(California)">the Bay Area</a>, for <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/San_Francisco">San Francisco</a>, or for <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/East_Bay_(Bay_Area)">the East Bay</a> and <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Oakland">Oakland</a>, and just start dribbling in bits and pieces of transit info. You know plenty more about <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Seattle">Seattle</a> and the <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Pacific_Northwest_(United_States_of_America)">the Pacific Northwest</a> than is on those stub pages. That's really what I want.

Sat, 08 Nov 2003

06:36 [zork(~/nick/transit)] cat wikitravel.txt

Ha ha Wikitravel

Okay, so I'm actually tempted to write up a big article for wikitravel. Happy, Evan? I'm gunna sketch out a "Bay Area Commuter Rail" tour, since the BART/Metro system is really its own region with its own routes, access points, sights, and Imaginary Geography.

I live in a neighborhood of Oakland that's 20 minutes from downtown SF by BART, and go to school in a part of San Francisco that's also 20 minutes from downtown. I tend to think of things in terms of their transit stations, much the way people in LA and New Jersey think of freeway exits.

Fri, 07 Nov 2003

18:26 [zork(~/mrbad/wikitravel)] cat kuro5hin.txt

KURO5HIN

In my endless quest to promote Wikitravel, I wrote an <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/11/5/202514/331">article</a> for Kuro5hin about the site. Talk about your hostile crowd -- I got voted down to almost dump status before I decided to pull the story and submit it for editing. After some simple editorial comments -- "You use '--' too much" -- the mood was much better, and when I submit it for voting it was posted within a few hours.

I think this article is better than the Advogato one. For one, I wasn't drunk when I wrote it. It abuses the Cathedral-and-Bazaar metaphor something terrible, but I figure that's OK. The big problem is that most readers seem to have all kinds of fear about Wiki abuse, vandalism, commercial advertising, etc. I have been fielding questions in the K5 comments area, but most foks just don't seem to get that dedicated Wiki users can overpower transitory abuse. I'm going to have to put info about that in the next article I write.

The articles I've written this week have had good effect. People seem to really dig the idea behind Wikitravel, and there's been a lot of activity and new users. We jumped up over 100 registered users last night -- how long till we have 1000? It's been a little hard absorbing the new user base, but I think we're proceeding apace. I'm kind of glad we've had the last few months to figure out what we're doing, since our <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Wikitravel:Help">help text</a> and <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Wikitravel:Manual_of_style">manual of style</a> are more or less complete and ready for newbies to peruse. We'll see -- I'm fearing the first mention on slashdot.

Wed, 05 Nov 2003

19:08 [zork(~/mrbad/wikitravel)] cat advogato.txt

Advogato

So, I wrote an <a href="http://www.advogato.org/article/722.html">article</a> for Advogato last night about <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/">Wikitravel</a>. Me and Maj have been having Tuesday night dinner parties, and we had about 8 people over, and drank everything vaguely alcoholic in the house, so when folks were leaving around 2AM, I figured it'd be a good time to scratch something out and post it. OK, maybe not such a good idea, but it seemed really reasonable at the time.

Anyways, I don't seem to be getting the same kind of hostility towards my UFO beliefs there as I got from travel sites. It might just be more of a comment on the state of Advogato than anything else. I dunno.

I re-read the article today. It's way too long, and full of grammar and spelling mistakes. Advogato has no interface for editing articles, either. Lesson learned: don't try to write serious articles when you've been guzzling Windex.

Tue, 04 Nov 2003

03:44 [zork(~/mrbad/wikitravel)] cat ufobeliefs.txt

MY UFO BELIEFS

URGH. So, I think I mentioned my stupid <a href="http://www.wikitravel.org/">Wikitravel</a> fetish, right? Anyways, today I was thinking that it'd be a good idea to spend some time telling other people about the site. Like, people who actually give a shit, instead of MOTD readers.

So I looked on <a href="http://dmoz.org/">Open Directory</a> for some sites that had something to do with <a href="http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Travel/">travel</a>. And there's two sites that are featured: <a href="http://www.vtourist.com/">Virtual Tourist</a> and <a href="http://www.lonelyplanet.com/">Lonely Planet</a>. So, I went and I signed in to both services, reviewed their terms of service, spent about an hour on each to get a feel for the lay of the land, and scanned around their crufty Web fora for the right area to post in, and then wrote brief posts saying that if anyone was interested in making their own, free travel guide, well, Wikitravel was for them. No vitriol, no money-changer cursing, just a gentle URL and an explanation of what we're doing.

Big mistake.

When I got back to my computer tonight, and went to check on the status of my posts, I found that both accounts -- one at each service -- were locked out. I guess Free Content is too much for the Man to handle. But I kinda feel like I was <a href="http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity472.html">fired from Waldenbooks for my UFO beliefs</a>.

Webzines face tough times.

Mon, 03 Nov 2003

18:30 [zork(~/octal)] cat blog.txt

It's like in that hit movie

Sometimes I feel like I'm stuck in that scene in Being John Blog where John Blog goes through the portal into his own head and he ends up in some place where everybody has the same face as him. It's creepy.


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